Posted by: Dominiquepifpaf
on June 15, 2002 03:36 AM
I'm a SuSE user from 1995. My la version was 7.2 and i get a few problems during the install: SMP kernell installed on a PIII monoprocessor machine, the scsi controller was doing a kernel panick but the SuSE support was very good and after a few mails, all was working fine.
To install a package that is not on the CDs, it's 2 possibilities: with a rpm, it's just to open Konqueror as superuser (root), go im the directory wich the package is and clisk to the file. You get kpackage as root with the package opened in, you must verify at the box "dependancy" is checked and you click to install. That's all if you meat all the dependancies, otherwhise you must first install the other packages. It is even possible, if you have packages that depands on each other, to do a multiple selection in konqueror and prees return to open Kpackage with all the packages opened in.
With a tar.gz package, you must RTFM that means read the text files in the package and on the site you have downloaded the package. It can be as easy as with the rpm, ./configure, make and make install. You can have to modify the make file or some other file or it can be impossible for a non programmer to do that. I have a rule for those package, i read the docs, i prove, if it is OK that's fine otherwise i do a make clean and i delelte. A make clean before begining the install process do nothing bad and can even be necessary, so i do that as a rule too.
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I have tryied, it's 2 days ago to do an update from the net with a ftp server, i have downloaded first all the files from the /disk directory on the /8.0 directory (the directiry in wich is the 8.0 distribution), i have done the floppies as it's explained in the text files and start! I'm rebooting the PC with the first floppy, after the second (modules1), the install screnn come, i put "install=ftp:ftp//server name/path to the distribution 8.0. After that, it was the 4th disk (modules3 for the drivers for the network) and bingo, the download begin, maybe 28Mb (with adsl it take a few 10 minutes, i have not check). After that, it install the package in a temporary directory somewher in /var/admin/... , a new screen come with a message like what the install will start and CRASH THE RED SCRENN OF THE DEAD! I take a look in the other consoles and find a message like what that was a problem with depmod.
I remove the floppy and reboot the pc as usual, all was working fine but not Yast and Yast2. Both was trusting at i was with a 8.0 system, but that was a 7.2 system. Nothing to do with yast, it is not working at all, it just reponsd at my CDs with 7.2 are too old.
Well, i prove the same process twice and a few other thing like to remove my SMP kernell because the update process was saying at that was a conflict between this one and the normal kernell. At the end, xfree was not wotking at all.
I begin again the install with the 8.0 floppies and i have choose a new install (not an update). The process was the same 3 steps process as in the first post, at the end BINGO all was working fine even all my hardware. It toke a few hours to download the packages and i get a SuSE 8.0 with KOffice. Yast have installed allmost all the first CD and to get the other SuSE 8.0 softwares, it's just to choose them in the menu, they are automatiquely downloaded and installed.
I can say 3 things about the ftp download: the "new install" is THE choice to do, the process is much more robust and so easy as with the CDs.
Not all the package are installed, i get no compilator but you have the choice to install the one you will, the buggy (i have read taht one time) 3.0 or the "old" but not so old 2.9.5.
It is not possible to get such software like staroffice with the ftp, but i have installed it with my 7.2 CDs and Konqueror in superuser mode like i said above. I have installed too, OpenOffice and many other fron the menu with just one click.
What i can say like conclusion is at Linux with SuSE 8.0 is becomming much more better as windows and that even to install the softwares. And that is a big steep! I precise at that was the first time i was doing a such install from the ftp.
For the curioses, i recommand to look to http://www.linuxiso.org/ . They have ISO image of the leading distributions and links to the ftp servers for those distributions. (It is not possible to install SuSE from the ISOs, just possible to boot and run with it, it is why i have choose the ftp install)
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Posted by: Dominiquepifpaf on June 15, 2002 03:36 AMTo install a package that is not on the CDs, it's 2 possibilities: with a rpm, it's just to open Konqueror as superuser (root), go im the directory wich the package is and clisk to the file. You get kpackage as root with the package opened in, you must verify at the box "dependancy" is checked and you click to install. That's all if you meat all the dependancies, otherwhise you must first install the other packages. It is even possible, if you have packages that depands on each other, to do a multiple selection in konqueror and prees return to open Kpackage with all the packages opened in.
With a tar.gz package, you must RTFM that means read the text files in the package and on the site
you have downloaded the package. It can be as easy as with the rpm, ./configure, make and make install. You can have to modify the make file or some other file or it can be impossible for a non programmer to do that. I have a rule for those package, i read the docs, i prove, if it is OK that's fine otherwise i do a make clean and i delelte. A make clean before begining the install process do nothing bad and can even be necessary, so i do that as a rule too.
############################################
I have tryied, it's 2 days ago to do an update from the net with a ftp server, i have downloaded first all the files from the /disk directory on the /8.0 directory (the directiry in wich is the 8.0 distribution), i have done the floppies as it's explained in the text files and start! I'm rebooting the PC with the first floppy, after the second (modules1), the install screnn come, i put "install=ftp:ftp//server name/path to the distribution 8.0. After that, it was the 4th disk (modules3 for the drivers for the network) and bingo, the download begin, maybe 28Mb (with adsl it take a few 10 minutes, i have not check).
After that, it install the package in a temporary directory somewher in /var/admin/... , a new screen come with a message like what the install will start and CRASH THE RED SCRENN OF THE DEAD!
I take a look in the other consoles and find a message like what that was a problem with depmod.
I remove the floppy and reboot the pc as usual, all was working fine but not Yast and Yast2. Both was trusting at i was with a 8.0 system, but that was a 7.2 system. Nothing to do with yast, it is not working at all, it just reponsd at my CDs with 7.2 are too old.
Well, i prove the same process twice and a few other thing like to remove my SMP kernell because the update process was saying at that was a conflict between this one and the normal kernell. At the end, xfree was not wotking at all.
I begin again the install with the 8.0 floppies and i have choose a new install (not an update). The process was the same 3 steps process as in the first post, at the end BINGO all was working fine even all my hardware. It toke a few hours to download the packages and i get a SuSE 8.0 with KOffice. Yast have installed allmost all the first CD and to get the other SuSE 8.0 softwares, it's just to choose them in the menu, they are automatiquely downloaded and installed.
I can say 3 things about the ftp download: the "new install" is THE choice to do, the process is much more robust and so easy as with the CDs.
Not all the package are installed, i get no compilator but you have the choice to install the one you will, the buggy (i have read taht one time) 3.0 or the "old" but not so old 2.9.5.
It is not possible to get such software like staroffice with the ftp, but i have installed it with my 7.2 CDs and Konqueror in superuser mode like i said above. I have installed too, OpenOffice and many other fron the menu with just one click.
What i can say like conclusion is at Linux with SuSE 8.0 is becomming much more better as windows and that even to install the softwares. And that is a big steep! I precise at that was the first time i was doing a such install from the ftp.
For the curioses, i recommand to look to http://www.linuxiso.org/ . They have ISO image of the leading distributions and links to the ftp servers for those distributions. (It is not possible to install SuSE from the ISOs, just possible to boot and run with it, it is why i have choose the ftp install)
Have fun.
Dominique
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