Posted by: Anonymous Coward
on July 02, 2004 06:26 AM
"You are a closed minded, inexperienced dork. I would not want to be your child." Oh... the pain...
"By your rules you would let your child go anywhere they want, discover anything they want, try anything they want." Really? Where did I say that?
"You or they don't have the time to recover from every bad decision they will make as they grow up if you always let them stumble onto things before you buffer them." Right... thats why you teach them. Like I said. You seem to be equating freedom with letting someone find stuff out on their own. My entire post was about being a source of information for your child on anything they are curious about. I did not say that children should be able to do anything they wanted. I said that children should be taught what to do instead of told what to do (yes, there is a HUGE difference - in one you relay facts, in the other you relay what you want). You can still limit them from, say, driving a car, or using Heroin.
"Your philosopy would have your child leading you from crisis to crisis. Why not be proactive and seek out the trouble? Take you child to drug parties or keggers or cock fights or spring break in Cancun. Bribe a stip club to let them get a lap dance. Go by them drugs to try out because they are curious. Let them see and experience all the base, lower garbage of the world. Raw greed, lust, abuse of power and emotional upheaval is just what you want them have. A long wade in the gutter is what they need. The sooner the better so they can learn about it. Let your child lose their innocence at an early age because, hey, their gonna see it all some day so might as well throw them in the deep end.
Don't keep them from the hot kitchen stove. They'll learn after they touch it and get burned. Then show them the camp stove cause the can get burned on that too!"
Where in the hell do you come up with this stuff? You go on and on and on about it, but I never said it.
"What is so wrong about helping a child to stay young as long as they can? What is wrong with letting them arrive at age 16 or so before they experience that the world is a scary place? What is so wrong about them coming home from school able to completely relax because they know that emotionally charged, scary stuff is safely locked out by loving parents? I want my 10 year-old's biggest worry to be trading his tuna sandwich for something better or trying to pass his spelling test. Children will learn the coarse things of the world soon enough, without me leading the way or leaving the gates wide open."
I'll tell you whats wrong with it: When they actually learn about the world, it is a HUGE SHOCK. Why do you think there are so many suicides in the months/years shortly after graduation? Learning all of a sudden that the perfect world you lived in is absolutely horrible is quite depressing.
"And, I must say, your mother was foolish to offer to get drugs for you. She was willing to risk your parent being sent to prison just so you could try something! Yes, she was willing to have you loose your mother for a prolonged period of time just to satisfy your curiousity about an illegal substance. And this is good?!? This is wise and enlightened? It was foolish and stupid! "Your honor, I was just trying to teach my child a lesson. Don't send me away for 2 years! Please!" The possible benefit of providing you drugs for your experience was NOT worth the risk of the child losing a parent for years at a time!" As far as that goes, I think her saying she would get it for me was a trick so I would come talk to her about it first. She is very much against most drugs. The two that she would have probably gotten for me had I asked, the only two "drugs" I have ever done, are shrooms and pot. Pot is legal here, and shrooms grow in fields behind our house. She'd just pick them fresh from our own property.
Get your story straight about my policies on TEACHING children about life, then come back if you still have anything intelligent left to say.
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Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 02, 2004 06:26 AMOh... the pain...
"By your rules you would let your child go anywhere they want, discover anything they want, try anything they want."
Really? Where did I say that?
"You or they don't have the time to recover from every bad decision they will make as they grow up if you always let them stumble onto things before you buffer them."
Right... thats why you teach them. Like I said. You seem to be equating freedom with letting someone find stuff out on their own. My entire post was about being a source of information for your child on anything they are curious about. I did not say that children should be able to do anything they wanted. I said that children should be taught what to do instead of told what to do (yes, there is a HUGE difference - in one you relay facts, in the other you relay what you want). You can still limit them from, say, driving a car, or using Heroin.
"Your philosopy would have your child leading you from crisis to crisis. Why not be proactive and seek out the trouble? Take you child to drug parties or keggers or cock fights or spring break in Cancun. Bribe a stip club to let them get a lap dance. Go by them drugs to try out because they are curious. Let them see and experience all the base, lower garbage of the world. Raw greed, lust, abuse of power and emotional upheaval is just what you want them have. A long wade in the gutter is what they need. The sooner the better so they can learn about it. Let your child lose their innocence at an early age because, hey, their gonna see it all some day so might as well throw them in the deep end.
Don't keep them from the hot kitchen stove. They'll learn after they touch it and get burned. Then show them the camp stove cause the can get burned on that too!"
Where in the hell do you come up with this stuff? You go on and on and on about it, but I never said it.
"What is so wrong about helping a child to stay young as long as they can? What is wrong with letting them arrive at age 16 or so before they experience that the world is a scary place? What is so wrong about them coming home from school able to completely relax because they know that emotionally charged, scary stuff is safely locked out by loving parents? I want my 10 year-old's biggest worry to be trading his tuna sandwich for something better or trying to pass his spelling test. Children will learn the coarse things of the world soon enough, without me leading the way or leaving the gates wide open."
I'll tell you whats wrong with it: When they actually learn about the world, it is a HUGE SHOCK. Why do you think there are so many suicides in the months/years shortly after graduation? Learning all of a sudden that the perfect world you lived in is absolutely horrible is quite depressing.
"And, I must say, your mother was foolish to offer to get drugs for you. She was willing to risk your parent being sent to prison just so you could try something! Yes, she was willing to have you loose your mother for a prolonged period of time just to satisfy your curiousity about an illegal substance. And this is good?!? This is wise and enlightened? It was foolish and stupid! "Your honor, I was just trying to teach my child a lesson. Don't send me away for 2 years! Please!" The possible benefit of providing you drugs for your experience was NOT worth the risk of the child losing a parent for years at a time!"
As far as that goes, I think her saying she would get it for me was a trick so I would come talk to her about it first. She is very much against most drugs. The two that she would have probably gotten for me had I asked, the only two "drugs" I have ever done, are shrooms and pot. Pot is legal here, and shrooms grow in fields behind our house. She'd just pick them fresh from our own property.
Get your story straight about my policies on TEACHING children about life, then come back if you still have anything intelligent left to say.
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