Posted by: Anonymous Coward
on May 14, 2005 09:16 PM
> MS-JAVA will never be open source...
Java is already Open Source.
There are Open Source Java implementations such as JBoss, and Kaffe.
And the Free Software Foundation has created another Open Source (more specifically, Free) Java in the GCJ.
Given their feelings about licensing, do you really think the FSF would have implementaed Java if the license didn't allow Free implementations, including the freedom to fork and redistribute the result?
> Mr. Bill has his windows compatable Unix with MS-Solaris...
First, Microsoft already has a Windows-compatible Unix, namely, Xandros Linux, which lists among its Top Ten Reasons to use Xandros:
"The ability to run Microsoft Office, Photoshop, Quicken, and Dreamweaver on your Xandros Desktop."
Second, the money Microsoft had to pay to settle Sun's lawsuit, while large, was still small compared to the cash Sun has in the bank. It was hardly enough for Sun to sell out its future.
Third, in order for Sun to become subservient to Microsoft, you would need to remove Scott McNealy, and his ego.
Fourth, I see no lessening of competition between Sun and Microsoft. Sun continues to support Mozilla, Apache, Linux/Gnome, and OpenOffice, all of which are eating into Microsoft's marketshare. And Sun's Java continues to be a roadblock to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net acceptance in the market. Likewise, Microsoft is continuing their FUD war against Sun (I'd accuse you of being part of it, but your post is too inept to be paid astroturf).
The fact is that Sun won their lawsuit against Microsoft over Java. Sun was also in a position to cause trouble for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net, given the various patents Sun holds on Java technologies. On the other side, Sun wanted access to information on Microsoft's networking protocols and file formats, so Sun servers could continue to talk to Windows clients, and Star/OpenOffice could continue to access MS Office documents.
Sun got the better part of the deal, but then, Sun had Microsoft over a barrel.
Of course, I take it as a given that Microsoft intends to renege on their deal sometime in the future. Microsoft is hoping that, in a few years,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net will have given them so much control over the Internet, that they will be able to threaten to break the deal, in order to squeeze concessions out of Sun.
Sun, on the other hand, fully expects Microsoft to try that, but Sun believes that Star/OpenOffice, Linux, Open Solaris, and Java will be so strong that they will no longer need anything from Microsoft.
I'm betting on Sun's side, i.e. that Linux, Mozilla, OpenOffice, Java, and so on, will weaken Microsoft to the point where they can no longer threaten anybody, and are forced to compete like everybody else.
> Microscoff needs a proprietary MS-JAVA, and that's that.
Microsoft already had a proprietary Java, in the form of J++. They lost it because they cheated.
Microsoft also paid Kaffe to add J++ extensions, at one time, though it didn't do them any good. Regardless, Microsoft can have an Open Source Java bundled with Windows any time they choose, just by giving the PC vendors permission to do it.
And Microsoft has created their own Java in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net and C#.
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Re:MS-SUN MS-JAVA MS-OOo MS-Solaris -- Nonsense
Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 14, 2005 09:16 PMJava is already Open Source.
There are Open Source Java implementations such as JBoss, and Kaffe.
And the Free Software Foundation has created another Open Source (more specifically, Free) Java in the GCJ.
Given their feelings about licensing, do you really think the FSF would have implementaed Java if the license didn't allow Free implementations, including the freedom to fork and redistribute the result?
> Mr. Bill has his windows compatable Unix with MS-Solaris...
First, Microsoft already has a Windows-compatible Unix, namely, Xandros Linux, which lists among its Top Ten Reasons to use Xandros:
"The ability to run Microsoft Office, Photoshop, Quicken, and Dreamweaver on your Xandros Desktop."
Second, the money Microsoft had to pay to settle Sun's lawsuit, while large, was still small compared to the cash Sun has in the bank. It was hardly enough for Sun to sell out its future.
Third, in order for Sun to become subservient to Microsoft, you would need to remove Scott McNealy, and his ego.
Fourth, I see no lessening of competition between Sun and Microsoft. Sun continues to support Mozilla, Apache, Linux/Gnome, and OpenOffice, all of which are eating into Microsoft's marketshare. And Sun's Java continues to be a roadblock to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net acceptance in the market. Likewise, Microsoft is continuing their FUD war against Sun (I'd accuse you of being part of it, but your post is too inept to be paid astroturf).
The fact is that Sun won their lawsuit against Microsoft over Java. Sun was also in a position to cause trouble for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net, given the various patents Sun holds on Java technologies. On the other side, Sun wanted access to information on Microsoft's networking protocols and file formats, so Sun servers could continue to talk to Windows clients, and Star/OpenOffice could continue to access MS Office documents.
Sun got the better part of the deal, but then, Sun had Microsoft over a barrel.
Of course, I take it as a given that Microsoft intends to renege on their deal sometime in the future. Microsoft is hoping that, in a few years,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net will have given them so much control over the Internet, that they will be able to threaten to break the deal, in order to squeeze concessions out of Sun.
Sun, on the other hand, fully expects Microsoft to try that, but Sun believes that Star/OpenOffice, Linux, Open Solaris, and Java will be so strong that they will no longer need anything from Microsoft.
I'm betting on Sun's side, i.e. that Linux, Mozilla, OpenOffice, Java, and so on, will weaken Microsoft to the point where they can no longer threaten anybody, and are forced to compete like everybody else.
> Microscoff needs a proprietary MS-JAVA, and that's that.
Microsoft already had a proprietary Java, in the form of J++. They lost it because they cheated.
Microsoft also paid Kaffe to add J++ extensions, at one time, though it didn't do them any good. Regardless, Microsoft can have an Open Source Java bundled with Windows any time they choose, just by giving the PC vendors permission to do it.
And Microsoft has created their own Java in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net and C#.
In short, your statement makes no sense.
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