Posted by: Anonymous Coward
on October 21, 2005 04:18 AM
are you breathtakingly ignorant, or breathtakingly dishonest, or both?
I think he was just trying to be breathtakingly funny. OK, he's no Jerry Seinfeld, but I chuckled.
The subtext, of course, is that Ubuntu is rapidly gaining in popularity such that some fear it will eclipse its parent. And the incompatible packages bit was turning Ian Murdock's argument about Ubuntu package compatibility on its head.
I'll point out though, before ducking, that none of this swiping would be necessary if Debian simply had a decent, regular release process. Congratulations on Sarge, guys, but what's the plan for the next go-round? Ubuntu may technically be a fork of Debian in terms of code, and people get their hackles up about that, but the MUCH larger issue - and this relates directly to the DCCA - is that by being their own stabilized branch of Sid, Ubuntu is in fact a major fork of the Debian release process. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, somebody had to do it, but it'd be nice if it were Debian proper that had its crap together and came up with a regular release process. Neither Debian nor the DCCA will mean much in the future if Sarge+1 and Sarge+2 are moving targets that nobody can count on ever arriving. Right now we're duplicating all of that stabilization and release effort, with Debian being completely unpredictable and Ubuntu having a time-based, predictable release schedule and support lifecycle - two completely separate stabilizations of Sid, where only one is needed. If Debian's releases become predictable and understandable (they don't have to follow the Gnome/Ubuntu model, but an actual workable plan would be nice), Ubuntu could simply become yet another CDD - maybe even one eligible for membership in the DCCA. Here's hoping.
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Re:which is it?
Posted by: Anonymous Coward on October 21, 2005 04:18 AMI think he was just trying to be breathtakingly funny. OK, he's no Jerry Seinfeld, but I chuckled.
The subtext, of course, is that Ubuntu is rapidly gaining in popularity such that some fear it will eclipse its parent. And the incompatible packages bit was turning Ian Murdock's argument about Ubuntu package compatibility on its head.
I'll point out though, before ducking, that none of this swiping would be necessary if Debian simply had a decent, regular release process. Congratulations on Sarge, guys, but what's the plan for the next go-round? Ubuntu may technically be a fork of Debian in terms of code, and people get their hackles up about that, but the MUCH larger issue - and this relates directly to the DCCA - is that by being their own stabilized branch of Sid, Ubuntu is in fact a major fork of the Debian release process. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, somebody had to do it, but it'd be nice if it were Debian proper that had its crap together and came up with a regular release process. Neither Debian nor the DCCA will mean much in the future if Sarge+1 and Sarge+2 are moving targets that nobody can count on ever arriving. Right now we're duplicating all of that stabilization and release effort, with Debian being completely unpredictable and Ubuntu having a time-based, predictable release schedule and support lifecycle - two completely separate stabilizations of Sid, where only one is needed. If Debian's releases become predictable and understandable (they don't have to follow the Gnome/Ubuntu model, but an actual workable plan would be nice), Ubuntu could simply become yet another CDD - maybe even one eligible for membership in the DCCA. Here's hoping.
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