Posted by: Anonymous Coward
on June 20, 2006 08:38 AM
******QUOTE******* "I don't understand how a community which fashions itself as a movement can afford to ignore that it's excluding the other half of the human population. I don't understand why such a move from GNOME is met with such objections. Shouldn't you just be glad that resources are being allocated to bring more people in? Or is the problem because the people this one initiative aims to bring in happen to have vaginas?" ******END QUOTE*******
Nope. It's one of consistency. If you're going to do this for--again, mostly White--women, then you should do the same for Black men. Why are you so opposed to the idea of including those who happen to have more melanin in their skin than you might?
But I disagree quite strongly that the Free Software community excludes Black men *or* White women, or anyone else for that matter. The Free Software movement has always--ALWAYS--been about the quality, appropriateness, and most importantly, Freedom of the code. Any White woman--or Black man, like myself--can submit code to, say, OpenBSD or GNOME, and if it's good, it might be considered for inclusion. PERIOD. I don't see why you're not getting that.
White Americans--and especially White women--may discriminate against me at times in general USA society...but I've never, ever had a hacker call me "nigger" or otherwise indicate that "my kind" isn't welcome in the hacker community (apparently the White men who predominate the hacker community are rather enlightened). The same is true for White women or anyone else, if you can code well. That's the key phrase--IF YOU CAN CODE WELL. I don't see why you're not getting that, either.
You claim that male hackers don't want female hackers in the Free Software movement? OK, show us proof of *ACTUAL* anti-female discrimination in the Free Software movement, and no, just saying "oh, there aren't enough women" isn't enough (there aren't enough Blacks either, but both you and GNOME are silent on that, aren't you?). Show us an actual case where a female hacker's code was rejected just because she's female, with no basis in the quality, or lack thereof, of the submitted code. An email from a project leader stating this or something to that effect would be terrific here.
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Re:Oh, please....
Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 20, 2006 08:38 AM"I don't understand how a community which fashions itself as a movement can afford to ignore that it's excluding the other half of the human population. I don't understand why such a move from GNOME is met with such objections. Shouldn't you just be glad that resources are being allocated to bring more people in? Or is the problem because the people this one initiative aims to bring in happen to have vaginas?"
******END QUOTE*******
Nope. It's one of consistency. If you're going to do this for--again, mostly White--women, then you should do the same for Black men. Why are you so opposed to the idea of including those who happen to have more melanin in their skin than you might?
But I disagree quite strongly that the Free Software community excludes Black men *or* White women, or anyone else for that matter. The Free Software movement has always--ALWAYS--been about the quality, appropriateness, and most importantly, Freedom of the code. Any White woman--or Black man, like myself--can submit code to, say, OpenBSD or GNOME, and if it's good, it might be considered for inclusion. PERIOD. I don't see why you're not getting that.
White Americans--and especially White women--may discriminate against me at times in general USA society...but I've never, ever had a hacker call me "nigger" or otherwise indicate that "my kind" isn't welcome in the hacker community (apparently the White men who predominate the hacker community are rather enlightened). The same is true for White women or anyone else, if you can code well. That's the key phrase--IF YOU CAN CODE WELL. I don't see why you're not getting that, either.
You claim that male hackers don't want female hackers in the Free Software movement? OK, show us proof of *ACTUAL* anti-female discrimination in the Free Software movement, and no, just saying "oh, there aren't enough women" isn't enough (there aren't enough Blacks either, but both you and GNOME are silent on that, aren't you?). Show us an actual case where a female hacker's code was rejected just because she's female, with no basis in the quality, or lack thereof, of the submitted code. An email from a project leader stating this or something to that effect would be terrific here.
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