Posted by: Anonymous Coward
on June 23, 2006 08:21 PM
Where up front in the help pages or pages such as this: <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop" title="ubuntu.com">http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop</a ubuntu.com>, or here even: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/" title="ubuntu.com">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</a ubuntu.com> , or even here: <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions" title="ubuntu.com">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions</a ubuntu.com><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...or wherever there is any installing help or ANYWHERE...for any *buntu does it say a firewall is on by default? I thought the goal of Dapper was to make *buntu a finished, and easy to install and use, no brainer of a distro (seems you have to be able to read brain waves from great distances, or be able to be a complete geek ALREADY dialed in to all of the hidden *buntu tricks BEFORE you install it)!
What about Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu? Too?
Do these have a firewall running by default?
If so, then why no GUI by default. And with Edubuntu, I installed Firestarter and I could not figure out how to get it to only block the internet connected NIC (and not the NIC to the terminals)? AND the instructional HOW-TO didn't even address it at all (or say enough about a 2 NIC install from the beginning of the install, either).
<a href="http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted" title="edubuntu.org">http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted</a edubuntu.org> is helpful but does not from the start explain the 2 NIC install processonly when you get to the image found after "Below is an example of the physical layout of an Edubuntu thin client lab": is there any mention of 2 NICs being the normal use???
Also on this page: <a href="https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams" title="edubuntu.com">https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams</a edubuntu.com> YOU can see how much of the LTSP stuff they need to finish as well. They have done a wonderful job so far... but, to offer support for 5 years, out of the box, on something that they know is not done yet... does not make sense? I'd say wait until all the LTSP parts are done... then, offer the 5 years Edubuntu LTSP Server support from that date forward (I think that the 3year/5year offer for 6.06 was way too premature (especially since Mark Suttleworth has announced that the next versions of *buntu will only come with 18 months support vs 5 years...). Interesting because by the next release the LTSP Edubuntu Team might just be finishing what they didn't have time to finish for Dapper (I think that the teams should be allowed to finish what they started AND THEN OFFER THE 3-5 YEAR SUPPORT... and maybe call it enterprise ready! This release of Edubuntu with the "enterprise hype" was embarrassing as I was telling many school admins that it would be great... well, it ain't done, and because it ain't done... it ain't that great for those that are running terminals that have less than a PII and 48 MB of RAM (and are only PXE able)!
In the Getting started for Edubuntu there really needs to be more written up about PXE vs Etherboot and why PXE moving forward is the way that the entire LTSP direction is moving (leaving those with Etherboot devices or NIC cards on older PCs as terminals hanging or what, needs to be explained to all prior to installation as a preface or something)!
FINISH DAPPER FIRST, offer the 3-5 year support, then focus on the EDGY toys - like those that are being thought up for the next release (or is that one going to be half done and sent out on CDs only for mind readers as well)!!!
I am sorry, but with so much unfinished with Dapper that I was expecting... I feel let down and perplexed that Edgy is even being moved toward at this point in time... I can't just hand these 6.06 CDs that I have ordered out to folks and say have at it (without a sheet of paper that says by the way, Kubuntu does not list FireFox as a supported browser in their add apps application at all, that Edubuntu LTSP is not done, that the *buntu family does not support an up to date apt-get for the wonderful KIPI plug-ins for Gwenview (in Kubuntu for example there is Gwenview but no KIPI Plugins to use it... that is not enterprise ready folks)!
This Dapper 6.06 is not something that I can hand out... I can install it for folks because I know what I am doing... but to give it out to the unknowing is a bit dangerous (they can have fun playing with it... but in reality most just want to use is... and it really is lacking in some ways with superior and easy to use features, like modern up to date KIPI plug-ins in any repository)! TELL ME OF ONE PERSON THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DIGITAL CAMERA? BY default this should be taken under consideration and all the high powered and Open Source tools should be preloaded or at least installable from the SUPPORTED LIST (not from the unsupported list). This 3-5 year support for what is listed is a JOKE (really not that funny as Dapper is not finished so I can't give out the CDs like I had hoped to)!
Hey - give folks a firewall or at least tell them somewhere upfront that one is working and how to control it!
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What about Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu? Too?
Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 23, 2006 08:21 PM<a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions" title="ubuntu.com">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions</a ubuntu.com><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...or wherever there is any installing help or ANYWHERE...for any *buntu does it say a firewall is on by default? I thought the goal of Dapper was to make *buntu a finished, and easy to install and use, no brainer of a distro (seems you have to be able to read brain waves from great distances, or be able to be a complete geek ALREADY dialed in to all of the hidden *buntu tricks BEFORE you install it)!
What about Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu? Too?
Do these have a firewall running by default?
If so, then why no GUI by default. And with Edubuntu, I installed Firestarter and I could not figure out how to get it to only block the internet connected NIC (and not the NIC to the terminals)?
AND the instructional HOW-TO didn't even address it at all (or say enough about a 2 NIC install from the beginning of the install, either).
<a href="http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted" title="edubuntu.org">http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted</a edubuntu.org> is helpful but does not from the start explain the 2 NIC install processonly when you get to the image found after "Below is an example of the physical layout of an Edubuntu thin client lab": is there any mention of 2 NICs being the normal use???
Also on this page:
<a href="https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams" title="edubuntu.com">https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams</a edubuntu.com>
YOU can see how much of the LTSP stuff they need to finish as well. They have done a wonderful job so far... but, to offer support for 5 years, out of the box, on something that they know is not done yet... does not make sense? I'd say wait until all the LTSP parts are done... then, offer the 5 years Edubuntu LTSP Server support from that date forward (I think that the 3year/5year offer for 6.06 was way too premature (especially since Mark Suttleworth has announced that the next versions of *buntu will only come with 18 months support vs 5 years...). Interesting because by the next release the LTSP Edubuntu Team might just be finishing what they didn't have time to finish for Dapper (I think that the teams should be allowed to finish what they started AND THEN OFFER THE 3-5 YEAR SUPPORT... and maybe call it enterprise ready! This release of Edubuntu with the "enterprise hype" was embarrassing as I was telling many school admins that it would be great... well, it ain't done, and because it ain't done... it ain't that great for those that are running terminals that have less than a PII and 48 MB of RAM (and are only PXE able)!
In the Getting started for Edubuntu there really needs to be more written up about PXE vs Etherboot and why PXE moving forward is the way that the entire LTSP direction is moving (leaving those with Etherboot devices or NIC cards on older PCs as terminals hanging or what, needs to be explained to all prior to installation as a preface or something)!
FINISH DAPPER FIRST, offer the 3-5 year support, then focus on the EDGY toys - like those that are being thought up for the next release (or is that one going to be half done and sent out on CDs only for mind readers as well)!!!
I am sorry, but with so much unfinished with Dapper that I was expecting... I feel let down and perplexed that Edgy is even being moved toward at this point in time... I can't just hand these 6.06 CDs that I have ordered out to folks and say have at it (without a sheet of paper that says by the way, Kubuntu does not list FireFox as a supported browser in their add apps application at all, that Edubuntu LTSP is not done, that the *buntu family does not support an up to date apt-get for the wonderful KIPI plug-ins for Gwenview (in Kubuntu for example there is Gwenview but no KIPI Plugins to use it... that is not enterprise ready folks)!
This Dapper 6.06 is not something that I can hand out... I can install it for folks because I know what I am doing... but to give it out to the unknowing is a bit dangerous (they can have fun playing with it... but in reality most just want to use is... and it really is lacking in some ways with superior and easy to use features, like modern up to date KIPI plug-ins in any repository)! TELL ME OF ONE PERSON THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DIGITAL CAMERA? BY default this should be taken under consideration and all the high powered and Open Source tools should be preloaded or at least installable from the SUPPORTED LIST (not from the unsupported list). This 3-5 year support for what is listed is a JOKE (really not that funny as Dapper is not finished so I can't give out the CDs like I had hoped to)!
Hey - give folks a firewall or at least tell them somewhere upfront that one is working and how to control it!
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