Posted by: Anonymous Coward
on September 23, 2006 11:31 PM
We should all be glad to see that Ubuntu, and LTSP are working togeather! Where is Novell? Gee, they might have their own agenda, and that would not be good... they should be on board too!
It seemed that Ubuntu/Edubuntu, for a while, was looking to reinvent their OWN LTSP WHEEL or their own forked version of LTSP without actually following the reasons why LTSP was doing what it is doing. Hard headed Debian folks strike again.
Edubuntu - as per the new Edgy Knot 3 release... still does not work as well as K12LTSP during the install to provide the admin/installer any idea as to the proper way to do a 2 NIC install. And there is no install option to configure (or not) a firewall at the server with a 2 NIC install either. K12LTSP does this 2 NIC install with an option to configure a firewall and to set up the use of SELinus during the install, in a very easy to do way! It is too bad that Edubuntu does not! Because of this I have put all efforts back to K12LTSP and have left Edubuntu in order to wait for them to "WAKE UP" and do what K12LTSP is doing! IF they don't wake up then we just will not use Edubuntu as the install is too "VAGUE" for the newbie or novice user to understand... If I can't use the install without throwing up (and I have been using k12LTSP for over 4 years), the I just don't see where a user that is new to LTSP is going to like it, in fact I can see them getting as frustrated as I have been with Edubuntu install, to just run away and pray that they can make it so that "other than experienced Edubuntu developers" can see it as being a friendly install.
Maybe the meeting worked as then the Edubuntu side could maybe be side by side and talk about things with Eric Harrison, and get some tips as to what they have been through at K12LTSP already, and hopefully Edubuntu will copy some of the advancements and innovations that K12LTSP has already been using (without complaints for the body of users) for a number of years.
I see no improvements in the installer yet for Edgy Knot 3 that I installed the other day?
In fact, Edubuntu/they still don't have a default lts.conf file in the distro that is installed when you do your install at all - meaing that the user has to build their own. K12LTSP has a very nicely built lts.conf file that is installed during the K12LTSP install (this is a good thing). This lack of an lts.conf file where they require the Edubuntu user/installer to build their own first, is an example of where Edubuntu is really lacking in an understanding of what a "finished" easy to use install should be like... for schools to use this stuff... it has got to be easy to do (so far, Edubuntu is not easy to install with a 2 NIC install, is not easy to understand how to implement a 2 NIC install firewall on a stand alone LTSP server, and/or is not friendly yet with older PCs that need Etherboot clients)!
Will the final version of Edubuntu Edgy address these concerns? By the looks of Edubuntu Edgy Knot3, it does not look like it. So - we will stay with K12LTSP until it does "wise up" and do it right, like K12LTSP does, from the start!
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Glad to see Ubuntu and LTSP working togeather!
Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 23, 2006 11:31 PMIt seemed that Ubuntu/Edubuntu, for a while, was looking to reinvent their OWN LTSP WHEEL or their own forked version of LTSP without actually following the reasons why LTSP was doing what it is doing. Hard headed Debian folks strike again.
Edubuntu - as per the new Edgy Knot 3 release... still does not work as well as K12LTSP during the install to provide the admin/installer any idea as to the proper way to do a 2 NIC install. And there is no install option to configure (or not) a firewall at the server with a 2 NIC install either. K12LTSP does this 2 NIC install with an option to configure a firewall and to set up the use of SELinus during the install, in a very easy to do way! It is too bad that Edubuntu does not! Because of this I have put all efforts back to K12LTSP and have left Edubuntu in order to wait for them to "WAKE UP" and do what K12LTSP is doing! IF they don't wake up then we just will not use Edubuntu as the install is too "VAGUE" for the newbie or novice user to understand... If I can't use the install without throwing up (and I have been using k12LTSP for over 4 years), the I just don't see where a user that is new to LTSP is going to like it, in fact I can see them getting as frustrated as I have been with Edubuntu install, to just run away and pray that they can make it so that "other than experienced Edubuntu developers" can see it as being a friendly install.
Maybe the meeting worked as then the Edubuntu side could maybe be side by side and talk about things with Eric Harrison, and get some tips as to what they have been through at K12LTSP already, and hopefully Edubuntu will copy some of the advancements and innovations that K12LTSP has already been using (without complaints for the body of users) for a number of years.
I see no improvements in the installer yet for Edgy Knot 3 that I installed the other day?
In fact, Edubuntu/they still don't have a default lts.conf file in the distro that is installed when you do your install at all - meaing that the user has to build their own. K12LTSP has a very nicely built lts.conf file that is installed during the K12LTSP install (this is a good thing). This lack of an lts.conf file where they require the Edubuntu user/installer to build their own first, is an example of where Edubuntu is really lacking in an understanding of what a "finished" easy to use install should be like... for schools to use this stuff... it has got to be easy to do (so far, Edubuntu is not easy to install with a 2 NIC install, is not easy to understand how to implement a 2 NIC install firewall on a stand alone LTSP server, and/or is not friendly yet with older PCs that need Etherboot clients)!
Will the final version of Edubuntu Edgy address these concerns? By the looks of Edubuntu Edgy Knot3, it does not look like it. So - we will stay with K12LTSP until it does "wise up" and do it right, like K12LTSP does, from the start!
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