Im suprised goold ol Bill didnt ask DiBona is he still beats his wife
Posted by: Anonymous
[ip: 216.239.83.14]
on August 18, 2007 08:26 PM
I have as much interest in name definitions as I have in watching American Idol but muddying the waters seems to be the Microsoft aim here as well as sowing confusion, discord and FUD. (its ok, the open source community lives well in confusion and discord. Sort of like Italy.).
In practice this has no effect on me since I only contribute to projects using different versions of GPL, the term open source being too generic, too broad and not well framed.
But I do understand how subverting the term open source could affect the movement and agree with CB's question and the way it was framed.
And I dont know about where you people work but most jobs Ive had have been in companies where the CEO's words are of utmost importance.
Find me where in the last year Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer has said ANYTHING remotely positiive and non threatening to open source projects and I might give some credence (because you know...they could also lie. I know, unheard of in tech, eh?). What some middle management underling has to say about his little departments work means squat when the capo di tuttu capi says otherwise.
When it comes to whether I believe Bill Hilf or Steve Ballmer, Mr. Hilf's comments are meaningless next to his boss'.
I give Hilf credit for doing that "No, no, we love open source, you cant hold what some press release or marketing department says...we really do like open source." bit even though we've all heard the top two at Microsoft claim otherwise.
C'mon Bill, who is lying?
You or Steve Ballmer?
That of course will never be addressed. We will just have to live in the Hilf universe where there has been nothing said about open source at all.
Like Sgt Shultz, Hilf hears "notting".
So instead of answering the question, he pulls a simple yellow belt judo move and asks him the equivalent of do you still beat your wife? which is
"..and I have a number of questions for you about Google's use of and intentions with open source software as well."
Yes because when it comes to open source, Microsoft has lessons to give to Google about open source.
Bravo, this is a trick they teach you in high school on the debate team. Im happy Hilf paid attention but it doesnt distract most adults from what he does.
And I am not one of those who is against Microsoft joining a GPL project.
It is free (libre) for everyone, no exceptions. If Microsoft would want to have their people use and then add to the code as stipulate by the GPL license I would be THRILLED because it would be a great day for technology.
The rules of the GPL are pretty simple to follow if you want to.
If.
And that is one big IF as long as Gates and Ballmer are the heads honchos at Microsoft and they keep talking about open source as they do.
Of course, you could do like Hilf and just say "It doesnt matter what my bosses say."
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Im suprised goold ol Bill didnt ask DiBona is he still beats his wife
Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 216.239.83.14] on August 18, 2007 08:26 PMIn practice this has no effect on me since I only contribute to projects using different versions of GPL, the term open source being too generic, too broad and not well framed.
But I do understand how subverting the term open source could affect the movement and agree with CB's question and the way it was framed.
And I dont know about where you people work but most jobs Ive had have been in companies where the CEO's words are of utmost importance.
Find me where in the last year Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer has said ANYTHING remotely positiive and non threatening to open source projects and I might give some credence (because you know...they could also lie. I know, unheard of in tech, eh?). What some middle management underling has to say about his little departments work means squat when the capo di tuttu capi says otherwise.
When it comes to whether I believe Bill Hilf or Steve Ballmer, Mr. Hilf's comments are meaningless next to his boss'.
I give Hilf credit for doing that "No, no, we love open source, you cant hold what some press release or marketing department says...we really do like open source." bit even though we've all heard the top two at Microsoft claim otherwise.
C'mon Bill, who is lying?
You or Steve Ballmer?
That of course will never be addressed. We will just have to live in the Hilf universe where there has been nothing said about open source at all.
Like Sgt Shultz, Hilf hears "notting".
So instead of answering the question, he pulls a simple yellow belt judo move and asks him the equivalent of do you still beat your wife? which is
"..and I have a number of questions for you about Google's use of and intentions with open source software as well."
Yes because when it comes to open source, Microsoft has lessons to give to Google about open source.
Bravo, this is a trick they teach you in high school on the debate team. Im happy Hilf paid attention but it doesnt distract most adults from what he does.
And I am not one of those who is against Microsoft joining a GPL project.
It is free (libre) for everyone, no exceptions. If Microsoft would want to have their people use and then add to the code as stipulate by the GPL license I would be THRILLED because it would be a great day for technology.
The rules of the GPL are pretty simple to follow if you want to.
If.
And that is one big IF as long as Gates and Ballmer are the heads honchos at Microsoft and they keep talking about open source as they do.
Of course, you could do like Hilf and just say "It doesnt matter what my bosses say."
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