KDE 4 problems highlight shift from community users to consumers
Posted by: Anonymous
[ip: 190.16.7.124]
on July 17, 2008 02:22 AM
Well, first i wanna say to all of you that state: 4.1should have been "the 4.0", but don't you all realize that all the bugs than weren't resolved in 4.1, because of the lack of testing would have made of the "4.0" a lot more buggy?
That's why the developers released 4.0 as the first release of kde4, and they explained this so well, they did this in order to find and squash all the bugs in the 4.0, if i wold have been labeled as a RC many less people would've use it and there would be a lot more bugs...
Second thing i would like to point out is that developers don't need user that are costumers, that criticize instead of compromise with the proyect and help, finding bugs and reporting them. They don't need that kinf of users and that are the ones that they refer to when they say: "KDE and open source is not ever obligated to please users (that criticize instead of compromise). We are not obligated to fix bugs. We are not obligated to implement things that you (users that criticize instead of compromise) demand. We are not obligated to provide open forums for you (users that criticize instead of compromise) to attack us personally"
Third and final point, there are no costumers, no products in FOOS, theres community effort, sure you can sell, sure you can make a product off of that (Novell, Red Hat, Canonical), but that's not KDE, because, they don't get paid, there are volunteer, that try to please everyone, with no reward at all, and most of you complain, think that those are people, who work in their free time developing a software that we all love, and all they get is negativity thrown at them, just for making a few changes, instead of acting like a costumer, angry that he didn't get what he expected because he bought it, act like a member of the community and see in what ways you can try yo help, after all you didn't payed for kde, so why you should complain... And about marketing...can you market a gift...? if someone made you a cake with all his love, would you have told them that it doesn't meet your expectations and that person should remake the cake? Or someone who told you that it would try a new recipe and that i would be delicious and spend 3 hour cooking for you and you told that same person that you didn't like the cake..? Seriously, how can you say that to a person... you can make konqueror the default browser, you can switch to the old style menu, you can adjust to plasmoid, you don't like them? turn them off...folder view? once you use it, you'll see that is better that having icons...and if you still prefer icons, you can have then too, fork kde? that would lead to kde4, there's no other way to do things...and if you don't like something you can promote a solution, backing it up with rational arguments and propose it and even develop it and if is a good would it's definitely going to get included, what are you all complaining about?!!!
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KDE 4 problems highlight shift from community users to consumers
Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 190.16.7.124] on July 17, 2008 02:22 AMThat's why the developers released 4.0 as the first release of kde4, and they explained this so well, they did this in order to find and squash all the bugs in the 4.0, if i wold have been labeled as a RC many less people would've use it and there would be a lot more bugs...
Second thing i would like to point out is that developers don't need user that are costumers, that criticize instead of compromise with the proyect and help, finding bugs and reporting them. They don't need that kinf of users and that are the ones that they refer to when they say: "KDE and open source is not ever obligated to please users (that criticize instead of compromise). We are not obligated to fix bugs. We are not obligated to implement things that you (users that criticize instead of compromise) demand. We are not obligated to provide open forums for you (users that criticize instead of compromise) to attack us personally"
Third and final point, there are no costumers, no products in FOOS, theres community effort, sure you can sell, sure you can make a product off of that (Novell, Red Hat, Canonical), but that's not KDE, because, they don't get paid, there are volunteer, that try to please everyone, with no reward at all, and most of you complain, think that those are people, who work in their free time developing a software that we all love, and all they get is negativity thrown at them, just for making a few changes, instead of acting like a costumer, angry that he didn't get what he expected because he bought it, act like a member of the community and see in what ways you can try yo help, after all you didn't payed for kde, so why you should complain... And about marketing...can you market a gift...? if someone made you a cake with all his love, would you have told them that it doesn't meet your expectations and that person should remake the cake? Or someone who told you that it would try a new recipe and that i would be delicious and spend 3 hour cooking for you and you told that same person that you didn't like the cake..? Seriously, how can you say that to a person... you can make konqueror the default browser, you can switch to the old style menu, you can adjust to plasmoid, you don't like them? turn them off...folder view? once you use it, you'll see that is better that having icons...and if you still prefer icons, you can have then too, fork kde? that would lead to kde4, there's no other way to do things...and if you don't like something you can promote a solution, backing it up with rational arguments and propose it and even develop it and if is a good would it's definitely going to get included, what are you all complaining about?!!!
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