Re: KDE 4 problems highlight shift from community users to consumers
Posted by: Anonymous
[ip: 205.250.159.224]
on July 17, 2008 06:59 PM
"By the by, while I'm on the subject, here are two quotes from Seigo: "we did not do as good a job as we should have of managing some of the conversations" and "the tone was set by this small group of people who were loud, ill-mannered, and obnoxious. And that set a tone, and a sort of mob mentality set in.""
The second is a direct result of the first. I'm not so sure he's whining as much as I am that the KDE devs had an opportunity early on to set the tone of the predictable, in some ways, conversation and then lost control of it once the, again predictable, attacks set in.
Some people resist change and some actively hate it.
Never mind that openSUSE and Fedora should never have made KDE 4.0.x the default KDE install when it was clear to the distros that this was beta code and more suited to developers than for daily use. KDE did make both clear, incidentally.
There's a great deal of damage done to KDE's brand with this and, at least. part of the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of the packagers of the above two distros.
KDE 4.1 is a vast improvement over KDE 4.0.x and is, so far as I play with it, ready for daily use even if a number of important KDE apps aren't ready for KDE 4.x yet. So it's not perfect.
Nit picks from me are the KDE control centre which actually removes choice rather than enhances it, the damnable kickoff menu and the inability to choose which file management you want to use, Dolphin or Konq. (I'm of the give me Konq or give me death camp. :-) )
As for the rest of it from what I see with 4.1 time will resolve a lot of the complaints and 4.2 will bring in the missing KDE apps such as KOffice.
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Re: KDE 4 problems highlight shift from community users to consumers
Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 205.250.159.224] on July 17, 2008 06:59 PMThe second is a direct result of the first. I'm not so sure he's whining as much as I am that the KDE devs had an opportunity early on to set the tone of the predictable, in some ways, conversation and then lost control of it once the, again predictable, attacks set in.
Some people resist change and some actively hate it.
Never mind that openSUSE and Fedora should never have made KDE 4.0.x the default KDE install when it was clear to the distros that this was beta code and more suited to developers than for daily use. KDE did make both clear, incidentally.
There's a great deal of damage done to KDE's brand with this and, at least. part of the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of the packagers of the above two distros.
KDE 4.1 is a vast improvement over KDE 4.0.x and is, so far as I play with it, ready for daily use even if a number of important KDE apps aren't ready for KDE 4.x yet. So it's not perfect.
Nit picks from me are the KDE control centre which actually removes choice rather than enhances it, the damnable kickoff menu and the inability to choose which file management you want to use, Dolphin or Konq. (I'm of the give me Konq or give me death camp. :-) )
As for the rest of it from what I see with 4.1 time will resolve a lot of the complaints and 4.2 will bring in the missing KDE apps such as KOffice.
We live in interesting times, don't we? :)
ttfn
John
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