Posted by: Anonymous
[ip: 71.131.213.70]
on August 27, 2008 02:36 AM
None of the answers provided about openSUSE's package management are relevant to my point. The actual package processing may be fast, there may be an actual need for resolving the repositories in advance of installation, there may be command line or GUI ways to separate these tasks. None of that is relevant.
First, I use openSUSE because it has a GUI for all this, so the command line is irrelevant. The GUI is there to do the job instead of the command line. If it can't without slowing the process, get rid of it or fix it.
Second, if the repositories have been dealt with once in the last five minutes, why do it again (again, from the GUI?) Why not ask if the repositories need to be refreshed - or determine whether they need to be without having to go out on the Net for another five minutes and do it again? The system could be set to simply get some sort of signal from the repositories that they need refreshing again. In any event, the process should be user optional. It's about CHOICE, remember? Having the system go ahead and do time consuming things in the foreground without permission is the way Microsoft works - not Linux.
Third, the bottom line is: the process is slow. When I was running Kubuntu, I ran Synaptic. You load up the program, find your package and install it. No waiting! And I never had a dependency problem with Synaptic either.
The process is allegedly faster in openSUSE 11.0 than it is in 10.3, which I am still running. I'll see it they've sped it up enough to satisfy me when I install 11.0 on my new machine in a few weeks.
As for openSUSE being unbreakable, I've seen the entire X Window system crash several times in the last month or so. The desktop is easily restored by the usual method, unlike Microsoft Windows, of course. But nothing is "unbreakable" - not Linux, not Mac, and definitely not Windows. (Not Oracle, either, by all accounts.)
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Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.131.213.70] on August 27, 2008 02:36 AMFirst, I use openSUSE because it has a GUI for all this, so the command line is irrelevant. The GUI is there to do the job instead of the command line. If it can't without slowing the process, get rid of it or fix it.
Second, if the repositories have been dealt with once in the last five minutes, why do it again (again, from the GUI?) Why not ask if the repositories need to be refreshed - or determine whether they need to be without having to go out on the Net for another five minutes and do it again? The system could be set to simply get some sort of signal from the repositories that they need refreshing again. In any event, the process should be user optional. It's about CHOICE, remember? Having the system go ahead and do time consuming things in the foreground without permission is the way Microsoft works - not Linux.
Third, the bottom line is: the process is slow. When I was running Kubuntu, I ran Synaptic. You load up the program, find your package and install it. No waiting! And I never had a dependency problem with Synaptic either.
The process is allegedly faster in openSUSE 11.0 than it is in 10.3, which I am still running. I'll see it they've sped it up enough to satisfy me when I install 11.0 on my new machine in a few weeks.
As for openSUSE being unbreakable, I've seen the entire X Window system crash several times in the last month or so. The desktop is easily restored by the usual method, unlike Microsoft Windows, of course. But nothing is "unbreakable" - not Linux, not Mac, and definitely not Windows. (Not Oracle, either, by all accounts.)
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