Re: Google Chrome Beta - Linux Version Not Available Immediately?
Posted by: Anonymous
[ip: 72.27.82.187]
on September 17, 2008 07:29 PM
You can tell them politely that they do not need chrome now and that it may soon be available on Linux anyway, Google has done some things that we may never be able to fathom but you can remind them,again politely, that Google Summer Of Code is a serious contributor to open source and Linux in general and so is still a friendly giant.
There is always an eagerness to try new things whether you are a Linux geek or a user of any caliber on any OS so you have to understand the disappointment of Mac OSX and Linux users. These business argument about larger user base on Windows and the need to get to them first does not hold up in all cases, it is just nonsense being parroted.
That said, I am not one of those that is going to chastise Google for this biased release, for the simple reason that I feel I do not need it, I believe the technology behind chrome will be showing up in some other browsers eventually anyway, Epiphany for one.
“If Linux was going to do it, it would be done already”
You are missing the point, the Linux movement is not about desktop domination. what it means to do is provide an OS for people to get away from the problems associated with the other operating systems while at the same time offering similar or better experiences that the innovations in Linux provides, no operating system is perfect and so I may have a better experience as far as malware and menu system organization are concerned on Linux, on Windows it may be better drivers or availability of special programs but the whole process is dynamic and Linux is changing and improving at a rapid rate , I wold say Linux has already “done it” done it, here means giving people who want it, a satisfying alternative. time and time again people misunderstand what Linux in particular and open source in general is about.
What does Open office falls short of? Again the objective of the Open Office project is to give users on all major desktop platforms a free open high quality choice in office productivity, and if you ask me it has made a serious dent in Microsoft's business so it has not fallen short, unless you know of some other unmet objective that this project had stated that no one else knows about, the project wants to give people the opportunity to use a good product free of cost or license restrictions, so you do not have to buy or for that matter steal the commercial product. The aim is never to kill Microsoft's product but it may just do that, just stick around.
“But Chrome and Google Docs - they might do it. They just might have a shot at causing a *significant* erosion of Microsoft dominance. Not just a significant erosion, but possibly causing a critical inflection point that disrupts Microsoft's dominance.”
While cloud computing is useful and has a big place in the future nobody trust cloud computing that much, there are inherent performance and security issues associated with this. It is a useful technology but it will never be able to accomplish much more than Open Office + Zimbra or Zoho, for example. You must always keep an eye out for inherent limitations in any technology.
Linux and Mac along with Open Office, Zimbra, Scalix and some other Open source applications has already dented Microsoft's business there is already cloud computing on all platforms Chrome+Google Docs will not make much of a difference in terms of people resorting to this kind of computing despite the speed improvements. Try to get more familiar with the products you are criticizing, it is not a good idea to make false statements and then build your argument around them.
This foolishness about Chrome+Google Docs would be a good argument if all one needs to do on a computer could be done that way and people had the confidence in such a method, you can see how this can provide a solution in many cases to a company especially one that needs collaboration on office documents but that is already being done without Chrome+Google Docs.
What you are suggesting here is nothing new Netbook optimized desktop systems are doing this right now, they however are not intended to replace the traditional way of doing things they are there to complement, the problem for anyone trying to attack Microsoft this way is that it will not be enough to make any OS inconsequential.
I have this feeling that chrome will only be seen the way most see Opera, a good new browser with some special features but unwilling to switch to it because they have this Firefox extension that they can not live without even IE die hards are around still for whatever reason,
I can not see Google chrome catching up with Mozilla any time soon and by the time they reach anywhere near the feature set of Firefox that browser will have made the the transition to an engine that may very well outperform chrome.
Chrome will just be another browser to choose from and yes they may have a good following and if they continue could take a serious enough part of the market share, this I think is what Google is after the fact that the bulk of people using their services does so through a browser they want to have a hand in the browser business.
Oh, and BTW, many Linux geeks prefer poor hygiene to mental retardation something that always seem to be the case with many Mac/Windows jailbirds.
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Re: Google Chrome Beta - Linux Version Not Available Immediately?
Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 72.27.82.187] on September 17, 2008 07:29 PMThere is always an eagerness to try new things whether you are a Linux geek or a user of any caliber on any OS so you have to understand the disappointment of Mac OSX and Linux users. These business argument about larger user base on Windows and the need to get to them first does not hold up in all cases, it is just nonsense being parroted.
That said, I am not one of those that is going to chastise Google for this biased release, for the simple reason that I feel I do not need it, I believe the technology behind chrome will be showing up in some other browsers eventually anyway, Epiphany for one.
“If Linux was going to do it, it would be done already”
You are missing the point, the Linux movement is not about desktop domination. what it means to do is provide an OS for people to get away from the problems associated with the other operating systems while at the same time offering similar or better experiences that the innovations in Linux provides, no operating system is perfect and so I may have a better experience as far as malware and menu system organization are concerned on Linux, on Windows it may be better drivers or availability of special programs but the whole process is dynamic and Linux is changing and improving at a rapid rate , I wold say Linux has already “done it” done it, here means giving people who want it, a satisfying alternative. time and time again people misunderstand what Linux in particular and open source in general is about.
What does Open office falls short of? Again the objective of the Open Office project is to give users on all major desktop platforms a free open high quality choice in office productivity, and if you ask me it has made a serious dent in Microsoft's business so it has not fallen short, unless you know of some other unmet objective that this project had stated that no one else knows about, the project wants to give people the opportunity to use a good product free of cost or license restrictions, so you do not have to buy or for that matter steal the commercial product. The aim is never to kill Microsoft's product but it may just do that, just stick around.
“But Chrome and Google Docs - they might do it. They just might have a shot at causing a *significant* erosion of Microsoft dominance. Not just a significant erosion, but possibly causing a critical inflection point that disrupts Microsoft's dominance.”
While cloud computing is useful and has a big place in the future nobody trust cloud computing that much, there are inherent performance and security issues associated with this. It is a useful technology but it will never be able to accomplish much more than Open Office + Zimbra or Zoho, for example. You must always keep an eye out for inherent limitations in any technology.
Linux and Mac along with Open Office, Zimbra, Scalix and some other Open source applications has already dented Microsoft's business there is already cloud computing on all platforms Chrome+Google Docs will not make much of a difference in terms of people resorting to this kind of computing despite the speed improvements. Try to get more familiar with the products you are criticizing, it is not a good idea to make false statements and then build your argument around them.
This foolishness about Chrome+Google Docs would be a good argument if all one needs to do on a computer could be done that way and people had the confidence in such a method, you can see how this can provide a solution in many cases to a company especially one that needs collaboration on office documents but that is already being done without Chrome+Google Docs.
What you are suggesting here is nothing new Netbook optimized desktop systems are doing this right now, they however are not intended to replace the traditional way of doing things they are there to complement, the problem for anyone trying to attack Microsoft this way is that it will not be enough to make any OS inconsequential.
I have this feeling that chrome will only be seen the way most see Opera, a good new browser with some special features but unwilling to switch to it because they have this Firefox extension that they can not live without even IE die hards are around still for whatever reason,
I can not see Google chrome catching up with Mozilla any time soon and by the time they reach anywhere near the feature set of Firefox that browser will have made the the transition to an engine that may very well outperform chrome.
Chrome will just be another browser to choose from and yes they may have a good following and if they continue could take a serious enough part of the market share, this I think is what Google is after the fact that the bulk of people using their services does so through a browser they want to have a hand in the browser business.
Oh, and BTW, many Linux geeks prefer poor hygiene to mental retardation something that always seem to be the case with many Mac/Windows jailbirds.
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