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Fedora 8 - a video tour

By Robin 'Roblimo' Miller on November 13, 2007 (4:00:00 PM)

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These three short videos -- all less than 8 minutes long -- give you an idea of Fedora 8's "look and feel" during the installation and setup process, and show you what software is installed by default. The third video shows you how to install and -- just as important -- uninstall software in Fedora 8.

Fedora is often described as a GNU/Linux distribution "for enthusiasts and developers." It is sponsored by Red Hat, and some people see Fedora as the "beta" version of Red Hat's official releases.

If you want to learn the ins and outs of Red Hat without spending money for the official Red Hat distribution, your best choices are CentOS and Fedora, with Fedora perhaps tied a little more closely to Red Hat's apron strings.

One thing notable about Fedora is its free software purity. In its natural state, it includes no proprietary software at all. This is good in one sense, but it also makes Fedora less useful for average consumers than "less free" GNU/Linux distributions, because it doesn't include software that will play YouTube and other Flash videos or music available in the common (but proprietary) MP3 format.

There is, however, a way around this problem (if, indeed you consider it a problem) called Codec Buddy. We did not include Codec Buddy instructions in the video tour because it is not currently downloadable as a core part of Fedora, but it is not hard to install. And yes, for those who are willing to compromise their free software integrity in order to use proprietary or patent-encumbered media codecs that are not included in Codec Buddy, a little Web seaching will turn up many possibilities.

These are choices that individual users must make for themselves. Please note that the Linux.com Fedora 8 tour videos are available in both Flash and Ogg versions so that virtually anyone can view them in virtually any (free or proprietary) operating system.

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yes, it includes software to view youtube

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.248.89.66] on November 13, 2007 04:49 PM
Ok, Fedora includes software to view YouTube, it's called Gnash and it works. Run yum install gnash. Also I don't understand your point about CentOS, all it does is recompile what comes out of RedHat, with Fedora you at least get some development outside of RedHat.

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Re: yes, it includes software to view youtube

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.41.33.194] on November 14, 2007 04:09 PM
Hmm... maybe *you* can watch YouTube and other popular online videos with Gnash, but I can't for some reason, and neither can the Gnash developers because of the proprietary VP6 codec that Flash 8/9 depend on. Please share your secret with us. :)

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CentOS? What's the Point?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 13.13.16.2] on November 14, 2007 04:24 PM
> all [CentOS] does is recompile what comes out of RedHat


Well, it depends on what you WANT. If you're talking about building an enterprise server, and you have third party applications that are only certified to run on RedHat, but don't have wads of cash to spend on support, then you go with CentOS. The point is that it *IS* the same as RedHat. I'd never run it on my desktop because I want all the latest and greatest there. On the other hand, I'd expect to get fired on the spot if I tried to run a business critical server on Fedora. Do you want guaranteed stability, or new features? You can't have both.

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Re: yes, it includes software to view youtube

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 15.211.153.72] on November 15, 2007 07:18 AM
Actually CentOS is a compiled version of Enterprise Redhat without the Redhat logo so you are getting a commercial Linux distribution without any support. For the home user this is excellent and providing you have a good Linux/Unix system admin, CentOS in the corporate sector can be a good cost saver. One of the best corporate solutions if you want Rehat linux on your Intel machines is to put CentOS on your development and test machines and Redhat Enterprise on your production machines which you will need to pay for. This is a win-win management solution since on one hand you save money with CentOS and on the other you only pay money to Redhat for the production machines. You can actually move a CentOS build to a Redhat Enterprise build by adding one or two Redhat specific rpms and Redhat will support it after you pay the subscription rates. So CentOS and Redhat can be considered two sides of the same coin and can complement each other.



Actually CentOS is looking at providing support for CentOS so for those machines that arn't in production but are in need of some support this may be a solution. You do need to do your homework when approaching management with a CentOS and Redhat solution but if done right everyone looks good and that can mean lots of praise which can translate to increased pay.

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Fedora 8 - a video tour

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 76.102.223.142] on November 13, 2007 07:15 PM
Very nice - it was fun to watch and I think you should read us all a storybook next, with that great voice. :-) I'm an Ubuntu user primarily, but I also use Puppy Linux and I was thinking of running Fedora 8 in a VM to check it out. So this was very timely. Where did you get the Bach music?

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time?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 75.39.189.160] on November 13, 2007 11:37 PM
Second video... in the first part although he changed the time to 12:40 pm, fedora didn't remember it and it showed up as 5:xx AM on the desktop. After a fast forward the time was obviously changed manually to 12:40 PM. Please be objective in your reviews.

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Re: time?

Posted by: roblimo on November 14, 2007 12:45 AM
This is a VMWare problem, I believe. It happens often with guest operating systems. I made no manual time changes besides the one you saw on the video.


Thanks for noticing,


- R

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Re(1): time? - I get around it with ntpd

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 204.50.208.4] on November 14, 2007 02:00 PM
All my *nix VM get ntpd installed so they correct there own time during boot. I've built a few VM without it and noticed that the time was way off until it was added in though I hadn't realized it was an issue with VMware. Cheers for the info.

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Fedora 8 - a video tour - Is that you Carl Spackler?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 67.189.14.22] on November 14, 2007 06:17 AM
Is it me or the guy on the videos sounds like Carl Spackler (Bill Murry) from Caddy shack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv87T1CQF8Eoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViiB_dE3Lhs

[Modified by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007 06:18 AM]

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Re: Fedora 8 - a video tour - Is that you Carl Spackler?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.20.120.163] on November 16, 2007 04:50 AM
I thought he sounded more like Doug MacKenzie (Dave Thomas) from "Strange Brew." Kept waiting for him to tell me to take off, eh?

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Fedora 8 - a video tour

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 62.162.68.216] on November 14, 2007 11:09 AM
The cigarette you are lightning at the middle of the third clip is quite impolite. And Schubert ownz

thanks

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Re: Fedora 8 - a video tour

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 62.162.68.216] on November 14, 2007 11:11 AM
typo: meant Bach :) sorry

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Fedora 8 - a video tour

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.20.120.163] on November 16, 2007 05:07 AM
Not bad, but I do not think I will be switching from Ubuntu to Fedora unless something bad were to happen to Ubuntu and Debian and Fedora was the last big distro standing. (I dropped SuSE for Ubuntu in 2005, by the way, after having used SuSE since the late 90s.)

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Fedora 8 - a video tour

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 70.245.88.106] on November 16, 2007 09:07 PM
The install portion is retarded. In the root password section he makes it seem difficult to reset root's password if you forgot it. I didn't realize going into single-user mode was complex. Man I must be a genius.

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Fedora 8 - a video tour

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 135.39.111.242] on March 06, 2008 07:08 PM
Trying to load Fedora 8 onto HP Proliant DL140 G3 and having issues with the video install
defaults to 720x400 and cannot see the screen
had to install by text
now video x11 having issues

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