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Why Xbox Linux founder left the project

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-By Grant Gross -
The founder of the high-profile Xbox Linux Project has left the group over concerns about the direction of the project and disagreements with the anonymous donor who's contributed $200,000 to port Linux to the Microsoft gaming device.
Enrico Kern, whose development team H Zero Seven founded the project in August 2001, says he disagrees with some of the decisions made by current project leader Michael Steil. Kern says Steil made decisions without consulting the rest of the group and discounted Kern's work to publicize the project.

Kern also says he has concerns about the anonymous donor's record in the Open Source community, including license missteps and source publication delays, issues several companies entering the Open Source market have struggled with. Kern says he can't say more without giving away the identify of the donor.

The influx of money has taken away the "fun and art" of the project, Kern adds. "I founded the Xbox-Linux project after I read a article from a Microsoft employee about using the upcoming Xbox as a Web server," he says. "I thought it would be funny [to port it to Linux]. Fun and skill enhancement stands for me in the foreground. After the press release that we had a donor willing donate $200,000 USD, many, many people were coming to the project, some very good developers and some guys only willed to work for the money. I would rather die than publish my free code in mind for the profit of big commercial companies."

The Xbox Linux Project has gotten a lot of mainstream attention recently, especially after the $200,000 donation was announced July 1. The project announced its 0.2 release Monday.

Kern says the project will go on just fine without him. He says Steil and other core members of the project are "great developers" and the project is in the right hands with Steil as its leader. He hopes he can sit down and share a beer with the group at Linux events in Europe.

Steil says Kern won't be missed. "He was not important. This sounds hard and mean, but it's just the truth." Steil says Kern registered the original .org domain for the project in 2001, but many developers did more work on the project than Kern did.

" I hope you don't understand this all as a war between the Xbox Linux maintainers," Steil says. "Imagine, we had just clicked the 'admin' checkbox on Sourceforge once too often by mistake? If we take the checked box away, it doesn't mean there is a problem with the person!"

Kern answers that he did a lot of non-programming work for the project, including publicity, writing documentation, and finding sponsors to donate bandwidth.

Kern says he hasn't left the Open Source community. He's currently working on the installation GUI of the InceptionOS Linux distribution.

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anonymous donor

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 02:51 AM
Hmmm concerns about the anonymous donor's track record for open source licensing missteps and source publication delays, and concerns about the project being too focused on commercial gains.

Well then, this donor is most likely a corporation or a major representative of one, with a bit of a wild and entrepeneurial spirit, and is definately controversial within the community. It could be a tonne of people, but my gut feeling is that it is Michael Robertson from Lindows.com.

He's got a bunch of money, he certainly wouldnt mind giving MS a little jab every now and then, and who knows if he has some plan to resell used Xboxen as cheap workstations. (Of course, this is only a purely unsubstantiated guess.)

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Re:anonymous donor

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 03:11 AM
I suspected the same thing and now that I think about it it makes some sense. Lindows could offer a $199 or less machine.

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Re:anonymous donor

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 03:24 AM
You're right! The donor can be none other than... STEVE JOBS!!

-iie1195

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Pure speculation

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 03:31 AM
To think that Mr. Robertson would bother pulling such a stunt, especially since low cost Lindows PCs are available today. For under $200 dollars, you’re able to browse the Internet, check email and run a variety of software products for far less than the price of most handheld devices. A certified version of LindowsOS comes bundled with the PC as well as a trial membership to the Click-N-Run Warehouse.

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Re:Pure speculation

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 05:05 AM
Yes, it might be pure speculation, but from what I've heard, the MicroTel hardware Lindows is on has its own issues with quality.

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Re:Pure speculation

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 05:39 AM
Sorry, it was a lame attempt at humor. Lindows.com makes good use of "guerrilla PR" and has been known to post advertisements disguised as news or pro-Linux op-ed.

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nah...it must be sigma designs

Posted by: bnz on August 29, 2002 06:10 AM
open source licensing missteps and delyed source publication fits perfectly and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... hey<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ever noticed the similarity in the names XCard and XBox ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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Re:anonymous donor

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 07:33 AM
that would make sense.. and just telling this much is telling too much if it's not him.

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Donors

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 07:54 AM
Its Big Bill Gates, he can not openly support Linux after his company's efforts to destroy it. Now he needs open source.
the only way the X box will sell is with some decent programs and I don't think MS programers are up to that.

 

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Re:Donors

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 05:15 PM
But if he tacitly helps its development, he can manipulate it in the direction he wants, then he has a basis to grab it as OS code, which even MS is eligible to use. Embrace, extend. MS-Xbox-Linux.

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Re:Donors

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 11:07 PM
Thanks. I needed that little laugh to cheer me up today. (ummm. That was a joke right?)

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Death to Lindows!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 01:57 PM
If the anonymous donor is Michael Robertson, then it should NOT be supported by the community. That lowlife only aims to hurt, not help.

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Re:Death to Lindows!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 30, 2002 12:32 AM
Yes I agree. Micheal Robertson is bad news and if he's in on it, it can only be bad news for Linux.

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Re:Death to Lindows!

Posted by: Rocky on August 30, 2002 02:27 AM
Why - because he has the audacity to market to people you wouldn't? Frankly - you're the lowlife.

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the donor is probably Redhat

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 03:11 PM
the donor is probably Redhat

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Re:the donor is probably Redhat

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 03:45 PM
No the donor is definitefly Lindows.com i know it.. it must be Robertson with his fucking lindowsOS.. Lindows has not success as it was planned.. Think a bit.. Lindows could offer a "EASY2USE LindowsOS Version for the XboX" (later when the project know how to run unsigned code without a modchip) and thousands of "normal users" would buy it due the marketing and to use the bought console for other things. Think about it

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Not Redhat

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 30, 2002 07:09 AM
Licensing issues and source delays doesn't describe RedHat at all. Troll.

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gotta be bill

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 09:31 PM
I agree that it is most likely Bill Gates. Maybe it is just my humorous side coming out but I have always pictured him doing some coding to Linux on the side all the while talking it down to the press. Now he sees the inroads it is making and is starting to up the cash as well

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Re:gotta be bill

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 09:53 PM
There is no way the mystery donor is either Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Both just want Linux to go away. Gates in particular made his fortune on the insight that owning the operating system was more important than controlling the hardware, because the OS can be adapted to other vendors' hardware.

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Larry Ellison?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2002 10:10 PM
I agree Robertson's gotta be the frontrunner, but it occurred to me it could be Ellison, who predicted five years ago that WinTel PCs would be replaced by ultra-thin "network computers". He certainly has the money and the eccentric spirit to pull this kind of stunt. And unlike his fellow MS-bashers McNealy and Jobs, he doesn't have his own OS to defend.

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It's Sony.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 30, 2002 02:54 AM
MS is already losing tons of money on XBox production. Making them into powerful, low-cost Linux workstations will hurt MS further.

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Re:It's Sony.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 31, 2002 09:59 PM
Sony released Linux for the Playstation.

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Bill Gates donator?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 30, 2002 06:02 PM
Linux running on the XBox could only improve the XBox's marketing position. Think about it, the dreamcast isn't being produced anymore - yet millions of people own one and program for it, the situation is similar with the PS2, although development for that is just as difficult, if not more so, than the Dreamcast. If Linux could be made to run unmodified on the XBox then people could write code for it just as easy as writing code for a standard PC - just boot up the XBox linux disk!

I wouldn't be at all suprised if the donator was M$ based as somebody else mentioned, M$ can hardly come out and openly support Linux on the XBox, this is the only way they can support it.

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Re:Bill Gates donator?

Posted by: fitzix on August 30, 2002 10:41 PM
This guy Steil sounds like a jerk. Hell, I wouldn't want to work on a project with this guy.

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Linux on xbox

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 30, 2002 10:55 PM
>>>>>Do not take this seriously!
>>>>>It is just my load of opinions.

How could they do this. The bastard bill gates (lower case on purpose) thinks he can take my freedom of playing pure games.
I bet he is going to try to be king of all the video game consoles. Just like he tried to do with PCs, but Linux was there to stop him. Now some people who are betraying all of us are trying to create a Linux on the xbox. Let microcrap use windows for their servers. Let them suffer with slow servers. Why help them out?
You think money is any good. He is maybe paying them so much money because he knows that he will earn twice as much having people pay to play and selling xboxes. Think about it!

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Anonymous Donor

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 01, 2002 07:55 AM
It's me, I am the anonymous donor.
My name is bo bo the clown, I do childrens parties...
I sold my RV and cashed in my superannuation early 'cause I want to play free civ on the xbox.

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Hmmm.....

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2002 01:43 AM
Steil seems like the logical one. He may sound harsh at first, but under the circumstances it's refreshing. Refreshing because he doesn't beat around the bush. He just says it like it is: the guy wasn't that important to the project.


If it has been commercialized and people are rushing into the project, then good for them. That's the way you get quick results. God knows we don't need another alpha-stage port given up on, but still lying around. This is what the project needs, regardless of the incentive.


Bill Gates? Sony? Red Hat? Lindows? No special incentive for any of them.


As for the donor, it's probably a publisher that wants to push the game out the door once it's developed. Think about it: put out $200,000 and avoid the expenses and bother of hiring game programmers who probably know little about Linux.

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Re:Hmmm.

Posted by: fitzix on September 02, 2002 04:08 AM
Steil sounds like a jerk. Rarely are founders "not that important" to a project. The fact that he said something bluntly does not make him at all superior.

Also, XBox Linux is not a "game" per-se. It's a port of GNU/Linux to the XBox architecture. The fact that you think that this is a game production, speaks volumes.

Oh - and, newsforge admins. The above message was blocked for "ASCII art". Looks like something is broken.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Thoughts about donor

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2002 07:29 PM
I'd bet the donor is Larry Ellison of Oracle Corp. Larry has a great deal of money and he wouldn't miss $200K. He also has no love for Microsoft. Larry has been pushing Linux into his company as an MS competitor and legitimizing its use in corporate America. This would be a way for Larry to have fun, and stick it to MS.

Bill Gates wouldn't miss $200K either, but if the word got out that it was him, it would be most damaging to his cash-cow. I really doubt that it was him.

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Microsoft Donation?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 05, 2002 01:34 PM
If Microsoft donated it, I'm sure some developer which knew about it would give it up.

It is probably a corporation we all have not thought of, which will use it later for publicity reasons: "We helped make the Xbox Linux project happen"

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Re:Microsoft Donation?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 05, 2002 01:39 PM
hell, maybe it was OSDN/VA Software

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