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Trustworthy Computing in 2002

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- By Chris Pike, reprinted from Pikeus -
2002 was the year that Linux made big news and Microsoft admitted it was their greatest threat. Microsoft's continued attempts at spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) in an effort to turn people away from Linux and Open Source didn't get them anywhere. Their focus on increased security didn't get them anywhere either. To top it off, they even ended up paying people to use their software.


Trustworthy computing?
The multitude of virus and security related issues that occurred in 2001 left Microsoft with plenty of egg on their face. As a result of Microsoft's obvious failings the 'Trustworthy Computing' scheme was initiated, with its positive focus on reliability, security, privacy and business integrity. 2002 saw Microsoft marketing many 'initiatives' such as this, using names which stood for the opposite of how people actually felt about Microsoft and their software.

In a further bid to stop people from focusing on their failings, Microsoft decided to take a month out early in the year to perform a security review, apparently costing them $100 Million. Although appearing dedicated to become more secure, their security conscious 'plans' didn't do much for their attitude. Not only did they continue taking months (literally) to patch the multitude of fresh bugs that were appearing, but incidents such as the SSL flaw in August were deemed unimportant by Microsoft, and in the end they were forced (literally) to patch it. Their attitude against any reported bug was that if it didn't match their checklist criteria then they wouldn't fix it, even though it was in their power to do so (Microsoft's definition of a security vulnerability can be found here).

Even by the end of the year Microsoft hadn't shown any real signs of change. In December Microsoft provided a patch for a flaw in Internet Explorer but downplayed its importance, rating it 'moderate' although experts said it was serious and could be exploited to take over a user's machine. This came at a time where Microsoft had just earlier modified their rating service so that fewer vulnerabilities would get the higher ratings. The flaw was one of many that were discovered by security company GreyMagic as early as October, and with the patch in December Microsoft still hadn't fixed 18 flaws found at that time, six of which were reported to be serious.

Microsoft's trustworthiness was questioned earlier in the year as they voiced a desire to keep the discovery of bugs in their software to themselves, wishing only to disclose the information after a fix was available. This meant that applications could remain vulnerable indefinitely until Microsoft decided (if in fact they did decide) to fix the problems, and nobody would even be aware that a vulnerability existed - except maybe a few crackers and their friends. Needless to say, the vast majority of people were firmly against this stance.

Evidence of Microsoft's need for control was seen in their Xbox game console, which contained a hardware-based security system. This consisted of chips that used encryption to deter people from running any software except what Microsoft wanted them to run, preventing piracy and maintaining Microsoft's control over what the Xbox was used for. Microsoft were dependant on full control over the Xbox and the software it would run, as they were losing money producing the console and sought to make a profit from subsequent software sales.

The encryption was soon cracked, enabling the development of 'Mod chips' that removed any restrictions imposed by Microsoft. This also meant that the Xbox could be used as an inexpensive PC that would even run Linux, losing Microsoft valuable software sales. Shortly after the first Mod chips were available Microsoft discarded it's current stockpile of chips, at a further loss, and got nVidia (the supplier of the chips) to create new ones that were tougher to crack. About a week later the new chips were also cracked.

Obviously lacking in the area of security, near the end of the year Microsoft bought Liquid Audio's digital rights and file transferal patents, and also bought the company XDegrees to secure it's .Net core.

Microsoft openly admitted that security hadn't been at the forefront of their business model, but came up with a weak excuse that this was due to people being unwilling to pay for it. With this statement Microsoft tried to paint a picture of security being an optional extra rather than a necessary component they had neglected. Microsoft's Craig Mundie even went so far as to say "The operating system is designed to run on machines that are not designed yet", taking the blame from Windows and placing it with hardware manufacturers!

At this time Microsoft came out with the idea of Palladium, a combined software/hardware based security system. The idea was that only trusted and approved applications and data would be able to run on your computer. With 2002 seeing a great deal of conflict concerning digital rights, Microsoft jumped onto the scene pushing Palladium, as they themselves knew of the desire to maintain control of their own intellectual property. Palladium seemed a logical answer for digital rights, allowing the creator of an application or data to deny access to those things on any user's hard disk, even allowing files to be remotely deleted. The idea of what this system could do caused concern, and the idea of Microsoft having control over it caused even more concern.

In October Gartner said that Microsoft would be unlikely to have anything that comes close to secure software until 2004 at the earliest. It was also around this time that Microsoft mentioned a desire to start selling security products. Later in October there was a security breach on the server operating the Windows Beta website, a repository for nearly all Microsoft software applications undergoing beta testing. Any number of applications currently in beta could have been compromised even though they weren't (according to Microsoft). Regardless of whether or not any applications were compromised, this was a further blow to Microsoft's increasingly poor security.

During the year there were a plethora of bugs in Microsoft's SQL server, IIS, Outlook/Outlook Express and components of Microsoft Office. There were a barrage of news articles pointing out the vast number of security issues within Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE), some even going so far as to advise that people ditch IE altogether. While IE got bad press, Mozilla hit the press as it achieved it's 1.0 milestone, producing a stable Open Source browser adhering to Web standards better than IE. Microsoft's polluted Java implementation was reported to be full of holes, while the holes were not found in Sun's original version of Java on which Microsoft had developed. In fact, it appeared that Microsoft had a kind of Midas touch, where everything they touched turned to holes.

Even some of the patches Microsoft provided for the holes were poorly developed. There was the IE patch that claimed to fix vulnerabilities that it didn't, the IE patch that caused the browser to crash, the Outlook Express patch that wouldn't install, the Win2K service pack that caused a Blue Screen Of Death and various other patches that appeared to cause problems. Also, there was WinXP service pack 1.

WinXP service pack 1 was supposed to fix some issues and implement changes brought about by the Anti-Trust case, including the allowing of OEMs to replace middleware such as Internet Explorer from being the default browser. The service pack proved too complex for OEMs to deploy easily, therefore most chose not to deploy it with their PCs. The service pack was alternatively available by download, but appeared to push the user to download it via Internet Explorer 5 or above. Accepting the End User License Agreement for the Windows XP service packs allowed Microsoft to legally access your data remotely, which in turn sparked privacy fears.

OEMs had previously been under contract with Microsoft that they should only sell PCs with Windows (whether or not the user wanted to use Windows, or already had a copy), and the price of any PC automatically included the price of Windows. As a result of the Anti-Trust case, August 1st saw new Microsoft licensing terms put in place which prevented Microsoft from retaliating against OEMs. The new terms were that PC makers must ship PCs with an operating system, and Dell took advantage of the new terms and subsequently sold PCs with a copy of FreeDOS.

Passport / .Net
Based on Microsoft's Passport, their much hyped .Net service 'Hailstorm' was supposed to increase Windows' appeal, attracting people to the .Net platform. The problem was that it would put everybody's data in the hands of Microsoft, placing them in control of everybody's security - something which Microsoft apparently wasn't very good at. An attempt at renaming it from 'Hailstorm' to '.Net My Services' didn't fool anybody either, regardless of how nice the name was, people were not interested. In the end Microsoft pulled Hailstorm and took it back to the drawing board due to the obvious negativity towards it.
Earlier in the year, a poll by ZDNet to find out how many developers were considering developing for .Net showed that a large percentage of them were interested in it. It was later discovered by ZDNet that the poll was rigged by Microsoft employees voting multiple times and using automated scripts. To make things worse for both .Net and Microsoft's new stance on "Trustworthy Computing", their .Net Developer Kit was also found to have a security flaw in it.

In April Gartner produced information stating that users of Microsoft's Passport doubled. Although this news could cause us to assume that it was highly successful and loved by all, the survey also revealed that 84% of customers had only registered with Passport as it was required to access other Microsoft services such as Hotmail, WinXP and Messenger.

Later in the year the FTC investigated Passport concerning false representation of security and privacy by Microsoft who, as usual, never even admitted that they'd done anything wrong but agreed to do something about it.

Anti-Piracy
Microsoft started out with their anti-piracy scheme in late 2001 with the release of Windows XP and its dreaded Product Activation. The Product Activation technique meant that any significant change of hardware on your system would cause Windows to prompt you to contact Microsoft and verify your activation code, failure to do this would mean that you would be denied access to your software. This didn't go down well with anybody, and drew attention to the fact that many people were using a copy of Windows on more than one PC, going against Microsoft's licensing regulations.

In 2002 Microsoft looked to the nations where software piracy was strong, such as China, and made them do something about the problem. Rather than achieving the result where these nations repented, bought legitimate copies of Windows and increased Microsoft's profits, they announced that they would be switching to the free Linux operating system and Open Source software. Countries such as Mexico and Peru also took this stance. Realizing the threat posed by this, Microsoft flew out to these countries for talks with their governments and ended up handing out large amounts of cash, providing their education and software development sectors with free software worth millions of dollars. Although Microsoft would lose money short-term they would make money in the long run, a similar strategy to that of the Xbox. Software upgrades would ensure that Microsoft maintained their cash flow, and the threat of Linux would be significantly removed by the widespread use of Microsoft's proprietary protocols and file formats (locking users into Windows due to compatibility issues).

Microsoft's anti-piracy maneuvers also focused on schools. In the USA some schools were notified that an expensive software audit would need to be performed within 60 days, as Microsoft wanted to check that each machine was running fully licensed software. As this required documented evidence it seemed impossible to comply, and Microsoft advised that schools should not accept any PC (donated or otherwise) unless documentation was provided. If the schools failed the software audit then they could register all of the computers running Microsoft software for an annual fee (something that Microsoft was later to force upon everybody via Licensing 6).
After this incident Microsoft themselves ended up freely giving away money and software to third-world schools, under the commendable guise of bridging the digital divide (which itself was helped along by Microsoft's extortionate prices, proprietary file formats and forced software upgrades - which usually required a hardware upgrade too). Microsoft appeared even more two-faced as they continued to overcharge western schools that were already using Microsoft software - except for where Microsoft gave millions in software to those schools or colleges that voiced interest in switching to Open Source.

One incident that caused controversy was that of the university of Waterloo in Canada, where a pro-Microsoft curriculum was announced at the same time as a large donation from Microsoft was made, ensuring that students would be learning .Net development. There was another incident concerning universities in Texas where, to extinguish the high amount of piracy, tuition fees were raised to cover the software costs and the students would pay less for Microsoft software. Of course, to those who didn't use Microsoft software it meant that they were being charged unfairly, which is similar to Microsoft's tactics towards OEMs of "you can't sell a PC without selling a copy of Windows with it". This would mean people were more likely to stick with Microsoft software because they'd already paid for it.

These situations all showed Microsoft as desperately attempting to get everybody using their software (even by offering it at a loss), and once hooked extracting as much cash from them as possible, or using the situation to promote development for the proprietary Windows environment.

Microsoft not doing themselves any favors
Product Activation proved a bad start for Microsoft late 2001, getting people on the defensive side. In 2002, to cause further turmoil, Microsoft brought out a new Windows licensing plan labelled Software Assurance or Licensing 6. This forced people to upgrade their operating systems by paying an annual subscription fee or face paying anywhere from 45% up to 107% more for licenses later on, and all this during a technology recession. This caused many to buy before the deadline and others signed new multi-year contracts, doubling Microsoft's profits. Needless to say, this didn't go down too well, even those who were pro-Microsoft were frustrated with their attitude.

In late November Microsoft mentioned that the following year it would create a new "Open Value" licensing plan, due to the negativity generated by Licensing 6. Part of this new plan would mean that any sign of a large 'defection' from Microsoft products to Open Source products could get Microsoft to offer discounts of up to 50%.

The attempt at offering Microsoft Office as a subscription based service was dumped as nobody was interested. But Microsoft caused more than a stir when they later announced that Office 11, the upcoming version of Microsoft Office, would only run on Win2000 or above and would not be compatible with older versions. This was necessary (as reported by Microsoft) due to security issues.
To top it all, Craig Mundie stated that "Customers' continued reliance on earlier versions of Windows, rather than the current Windows 2000 and Windows XP, is slowing down efforts to secure the global computing infrastructure". This did little more than blame the bad state of computer security on those who were using older software, rather than the fact that Microsoft's older software was created with very poor security that they wouldn't freely fix.

Desperate measures
Open Source became the focus of everybody's attention, becoming more of a viable option due to big names such as IBM, HP, Dell and SUN all backing Linux, helped along with the growing lack of trust in Microsoft. The Open Source PHP scripting language overtook Microsoft's ASP, and Open Source Apache Web server overtook Microsoft's IIS.

In March Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Wept for Windows during the Anti-Trust season. Microsoft released a video of it in both Windows Media Player and RealPlayer format, obviously wanting everybody to be able to access it - probably for the first time in history.

During the Anti-Trust case, the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution (a small think tank promoting free-market principles) published a white paper against the use of Open Source software. The paper was reported to be very weak and poorly-researched. The Alexis de Tocqueville Institution itself received a significant portion of it's funding from Microsoft, and much of their research was aimed at issues important to Microsoft.

Microsoft's Anti-Unix campaign wehavethewayout.com didn't get much credit as the Website was (at the time of release) discovered to be hosted on the Open Source Apache Web server running on the Open Source FreeBSD operating system.

Microsoft got a taste of their own medicine when Open Source zealots in California and the Philippines called upon their governments for laws supporting the use of Open Source software. Microsoft didn't like that and created the "Software Choice" movement, stating that it was unfair and that everybody should be free to choose what software they used. This was a very two-faced and self-condemning statement from Microsoft, considering their stand on proprietary formats that tie people to Microsoft products, the software bundling that gave them an unfair advantage and killed off their competitors, and the forced inclusion of Windows with every PC purchase (all things in which Microsoft have never admitted any wrongdoing).

Congressman Adam Smith, who's biggest political contributor was Microsoft, began circulating a letter asking for signatures in a petition against the Open Source GPL license. This caused a major outcry from the Open Source community, and rather than doing any damage it made congress aware of the strong support behind Open Source. The letter was withdrawn, and most who signed the petition said that they didn't even know what they were signing.

At one stage around September Microsoft repented about the FUD they had spread concerning Linux/Open Source, and proclaimed that they would be focusing on the strengths of Windows in the future. At that time, rather than focusing on the strengths of Windows, Microsoft expanded their attentions from the PC to other ways of spreading their grip: such as cellphones and PDAs, wireless networking, the Xbox game console, etc. (it was revealed in November that all of Microsoft's other ventures had made losses). In October, after many news articles commenting on Microsoft's poor security, Microsoft went back on their word and once again attempted to deride Open Source security via the medium of FUD.

Although criticising Open Source, Microsoft changed to accommodate some of the Open Source techniques, such as focusing on a development 'community' and opening their source code (although it was read-only). Microsoft created the Shared Source License which allowed developers to view the code for purposes of developing, debugging and supporting both commercial and non-commercial products. While deriding Open Source they were back to stating how open code did nothing for security, and mentioned that not many people had shown an interest in Shared Source. This was quite strange as Microsoft stated in the first place that they created it due to customer demand. A short while after this they were again promoting Shared Source as though it were a great asset. Microsoft certainly did appear to be changing with the times.

Microsoft stated that they were focused on listening to their customers needs, and did indeed appear to be making changes to their plans due to customers demands. However, when your customers are constantly complaining about you and are considering dealing with your competition instead, what else do you do? Yet again, Microsoft appear to look good in a bad situation.

Nearer the end of 2002 Microsoft started an advertising campaign for the Macintosh version of Microsoft Office. The advertisements showed Macs and PCs getting along together, promoting compatibility between the two. Some could see this as Microsoft deciding to get along with it's competitors, and as Microsoft said, it shows their commitment towards the Mac. But considering that until this time Microsoft had never shown any commitment to the Mac, and that disgruntled Windows users had at that time started to look towards an alternative operating system, I'm sure that Microsoft would rather they switch to the Macintosh than Linux. After all, Microsoft never said that the Macintosh was their greatest threat, and uncertainty of commitment had been one of the major reasons people were wary of any Open Source software.

India was becoming a key player in the tech/software market, and appeared to be looking towards Linux. In November Bill Gates travelled to India, giving them (from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) $100 million towards fighting AIDS. Bill also announced that Microsoft was investing $400 million in India over the next three years to promote the use of Microsoft solutions, and a further $20 million for e-learning (adding the Microsoft influence to schools). At that time Bill said that "India is of strategic importance", appearing to openly admit that he was bribing India (via his self-owned charity) to go with Microsoft.

However, when critics accused him of bribery and said he was doing it to make his company look good, Bill responded that this was not the case, the foundation was independent of Microsoft and was founded long before any claims of anti-trust. Still, one could question why the foundation always appeared to follow Microsoft around whenever they needed to coax governments into using Microsoft solutions. As Bill said, the foundation was independent from Microsoft, but it wasn't independent of Bill Gates - and when you think of Bill Gates you think Microsoft. And just because the foundation was created before the odor of anti-trust was found around Microsoft doesn't mean that Bill couldn't be using it in an impure way, Microsoft's conduct had been questionable long before the Anti-Trust case started. Giving money to fight AIDS was far from bad, however, Bill's motives for doing this (especially at this critical time of 'strategic importance') would appear questionable. And if Bill's giving of money to fight AIDS is considered to be generosity, shouldn't we also consider why Bill gave four times that amount of cash towards investing in India's tech sector?

Ironically Bill's visit to India gave a huge publicity boost to Linux and Open Source, causing the Indian government to seriously consider the use of Linux.

In late December, users of Microsoft Office in Norway asked Microsoft to translate it into their New Norwegian, or Nynorsk, language. Microsoft declined, pointing out the large cost involved in such a task. Eventually Microsoft agreed to translate it after most of Norway's high schools threatened to boycott all Microsoft software if they didn't.

Anti-Trust
After the Anti-Trust case concluded, when Microsoft had been found guilty of acting as a monopoly and settlement plans had been made, Steve Ballmer said that Microsoft have "learned and grown through the experience of the last four years. We are committed to moving forward as a responsible leader in an industry that is constantly, constantly changing."
Microsoft have treated everybody with contempt for years, and all they can say is that they've learned from it? Bill Gates proclaimed, "This settlement puts new responsibilities on Microsoft, and we accept them," and also that he was "personally committed to full compliance." It's a pity that he wasn't so happy to play fair for the past few years.

Again, Microsoft never admitted that they did anything wrong. They pleaded innocent, yet they were found guilty.

Leaked Memo
In November a memo leaked from Microsoft showed the results of a telephone survey of developers, sysadmins and business executives who make decisions on IT spending. This concluded that Microsoft's efforts at turning people away from Linux/Open Source by attacking it were ineffective. In fact, it showed that most people were already quite familiar with Open Source, and were in favor of it. The main reasons why people were pro-Open Source was due to the Total Cost of Ownership being lower and also purely because it was an alternative to Microsoft products.

Sun v Microsoft
In December Sun Microsystems, creators of the Java programming language, took Microsoft to court hoping to get their Java Virtual Machine (JVM) distributed with Windows. Previously Microsoft had distributed their own 'doctored' JVM but had been found guilty of polluting and defragmenting Java. During the court case Microsoft attorney David Tulchin said, "The antitrust laws were not promulgated so that one competitor could take a free ride on the back of another competitor". But would this statement not confirm that Microsoft's own software bundling with Windows was anti-competitive, giving their own separate products the advantage of this free ride? If the 'free ride' on Windows is worth so much, should Microsoft be allowed this advantage just because they own Windows and are not in competition with themselves?

Around this time Microsoft were preparing themselves to face a separate anti-trust case by the European courts. If Microsoft were found guilty of anti-competitive practices by the European courts then one resolution being considered was to "unbundle" Windows Media Player from Windows. Microsoft didn't like this idea at all, saying that removing Windows Media Player would damage Windows, and it was something they were not prepared to consider. From this it was clear to see that Microsoft were desperate and determined to bundle their software with Windows, signifying that they believed it was important and did give them an advantage.

Conclusion?
Microsoft have continually brushed off the big problems or unfavorable situations they've created with smooth sales talk, acting as if they're the ones who have been wronged and announcing extravagant plans to make everything better. Foolishly people continually come back to take another beating, still believing the hype that Microsoft thrive on.
Microsoft would like to put the past behind them, however, this is no reason for everybody to forget what they've done. The Microsoft we see now are still trying to force themselves upon everybody, cutting out consumer choice and sucking as much money out of people as possible.
For Microsoft, 2002 was filled with failings, inadequacies, lies, cover-ups, passing-the-buck and (as usual) relentless pressure to upgrade. These are the actions of a company promoting 'Trustworthy Computing'.

But are they trustworthy?

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Chris Pike would try and persuade your cat to use Linux, and frequently studies Linux/Microsoft related news. His verbose comments are ignored by thousands throughout the world.

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great article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 03:23 AM
sums up microsoft's year pretty well....

it really is astonishing to think they get away with the things they do....

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Re:great article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 12:15 PM
Make me kinda feel like I am watching the movie "Anti-trust" in real life!

M$ is a bully pure and simple!

ERIC - Malaysia

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Re:great article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 08:46 AM
Agreed. Microsoft has forgotten - assuming its officers ever knew it in the first place - that a company lives or dies on the goodwill of its customers: Mistreat your customers and you go bankrupt; treat your customers well, and you flourish. Granted, the bigger the company, the longer it takes for it to go down when it starts treating its customers like crap, but the inevitable result IS self-destruction. Considering the size of Microsoft and the way it's been mistreating its customers in general, it may be a decade or two before the backlash finally hits, but when it comes, it may leave a radioactive crater behind where Microsoft once stood. Let's face it; Bill Gates and the Microsoft bigwigs aren't going to be able to hide from three billion outraged Windows-Whatever users forever, no matter how rich they are.

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Re:great article

Posted by: centinul on January 05, 2003 10:20 PM
Yes it is astonishing. BUT!!! the majority of the people in this country and around the world are brainwashed in to thinking WINDOWS is all ther is.
Linux will eventualy make its impact on the desk top, but it will take time.
But you are right, and it it sad.

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trustworthy computing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 03:34 AM
I realize this article is really "our totally unbiased view of what Microsoft did last year" but re the headline: we should remember that there *is* a need for something that might be called "trustworthy computing" - just think of explaining to your parents why they should be wary of pop-up web messages that prompt them to "test your system for viruses", complete with an OK button that looks like it came from the operating system. If we don't come up with a robust, inoperable solution to these sorts of problems, customers will turn to Microsoft and will accept whatever baggage that comes along with it.

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Oil

Posted by: Joseph A. Hente on January 03, 2003 04:57 AM
I remember learning about a John D. Rockerfeller in American History class. First, he sold oil very cheap, and that caused the other oil companies to bankrupt. Then once he had nice control of the oil market, he cranked up the prices. There were no other companies so the people had to pay. Exept this time, there is the internet (ofcourse at that time there was the cont. rail road), but I think history is once again going to repeat, but in a differnt industry. I'm not a big history person (that name may be incorrect to whom I'm thinking about), but we can learn from that, and this. Possibly Microsoft's top people are planning an end.

My parents are friends with a couple who own a restruant. Those people are now tired of the business and are now raising the prices and putting less food on the plate. Their making a lot of money so they can retire and live life great.

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Re:trustworthy computing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 11:07 AM
""there *is* a need for something that might be called "trustworthy computing"

That statement is pure MS bullshit.

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Re:trustworthy computing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 11:35 PM
just think of explaining to your parents why they should be wary of pop-up web messages that prompt them to "test

      your system for viruses", complete with an OK button that looks like it came from the operating system. If we don't come up with a robust, inoperable solution to

                              these sorts of problems, customers will turn to Microsoft and will accept whatever baggage that comes along with it.


You sound like you don't know anything about Open Source software. Open Source software is addressing exactly the problem that you mention, not only for Linux and other OS 's but even on the Microsoft platform! Take a look at the latest version of Mozilla, which allows the user to block pop-up ads. And it runs on Windows, Linux, etc. What has Microsoft done in Internet Explorer to block pop-up ads?

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Re:trustworthy computing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 11:53 PM
That was just a random example, someone could play the same game from a web page in the main pane of the browser w/o resorting to popups. The Mozilla popup filter is mostly about controlling annoyances rather than enhancing security. My point is that Internet security is reaching crisis proportions, and relatively few people have the knowledge and inclination to protect their workstations adequately. If you're a paid administrator you may be conscientious about testing and applying security patches ASAP, but people tend to be more lax with their personal machines. And once one PC is compromised, it becomes that much easier to compromise others since the attacker learns a bunch of email addresses, etc.

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Re:trustworthy computing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 06, 2003 09:02 AM
Sorry, but it's still a weak argument. The original message that I responded to indicates that somehow Microsoft is addressing these issues. That's very far from the truth, no matter how much they say "Trustworthy Computing".

I work in a primarily Windows shop, though I'm slowly converting them to Linux.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) We had a security firm come in and scan several of our Windows servers (our Linux web server was secure so they didn't bother with that) and provide us with a list of problems and the security patches that address them. On at least two machines, running the Microsoft security patch OPENED UP SECURITY HOLES THAT WEREN'T ORIGINALLY OPEN!

If you choose to trust MS with your network security, that's your choice. But from my first-hand personal experience, I'll never go that route.

Windows is fine for the average desktop user, I suppose, but Linux is catching up there, too!

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Re:trustworthy computing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 03:22 AM
First, GREAT ARTICLE!

Second, I agree with you on this - you are absolutely correct. People should just be sure not to use "Microsoft" and "trustworthy computing" in the same sentence, unless it's to point out what appears to have been an ongoing campaign of blatant corporate hypocrisy.

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Re:trustworthy computing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 08:50 AM
I hope the reader who responded to this article with "I hope Chris isn't being paid for this dribble." learns how to spell. The word is spelled "drivel", brain trust.

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Re:trustworthy computing

Posted by: centinul on January 05, 2003 10:25 PM
You say potato I say Huh??What??Huh??

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I hope Chris isn't paid for this dribble

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 05:43 AM
I guess they'll give any idiot with poor grammar column space on NewsForge.

Hey Chris, how about you come up with an original thought, rather than pilfering commentary from SlashDot and repackaging it as your own thoughts. Maybe then I'll begin to respect your analysis of the Microsoft situation. (I use the term loosely)

Friggin idiot.

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Re:I hope Chris isn't paid for this dribble

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 08:42 AM
Perhaps you would be able to give us the benefit of your own thought provoking, witty, unique and grammatically correct spin on the year-that-was from Microsoft?

No<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... thought not!

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jealous or just mean?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 12:43 PM
Why so upset? And why use such emotional and polar language? Are you jealous or just mean? Or both?

Why not provide us with your own commentary and "original" writing and we'll gladly analyze it too. Otherwise, take your attitude home, back to the lunatic dungeon and be gone. Scat.

I'm tired of Anonymous hit and runs. Like me - who isn't logged in - drats. OK. Well, here's my sig at least.

LPH
http://www.tuxreports.com
Where Penguins Fly

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Deny the obveous

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 01:23 AM
Everything in the artical has been fairly public knowladge for years.
Microsoft is famous for it and when cornered on this issue back in the 1980's Microsofts respresentives basicly told some of the most informed computer jernalists[1] they don't understand computers.

[1] This when being a tech jernalist meant having 5 to 10 years experence writing code or building hardware usually with at least one computer made entirely from parts (down to etching the motherboard)

Microsoft has gone a long way thow. From having Bill Gates insult our collective intelegence personally to having some random faceless Annon poster do it...
And as much as he looks like a paid shill I'm almost willing to bet he's doing it purely becouse he believes it.
(Get spoon fed propaganda long enough... you get the idea..)

This mem should make it easy...
"My compeditor stinks and I'm god.." -- Any given CEO...

or
Any given company when talking of a compeditor is lying...

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Re:I hope Chris isn't paid for this dribble

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 07:15 PM
No, I didn't want cash for it, I was more interested in people analyzing Microsoft than respecting my analysis.

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Chris Pike

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That is nothing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 07:10 AM
compared with Microsoft's performance in Germany. MS CEO Kurt Sibold had to go earlier. MS was involved in a scandal with Hunzinger, a political lobbying group. Nobody trusts them anymore. Computer magazines write articles against Microsoft. How to secure your computer: Disable IE and so on..

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Re:That is nothing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 12:01 PM
C'mon dude! Give him a break, his article is good. Gimme one article that is 100% original and has no prior references.

And as far as grammar is concerned, I have seen worse!

Peace!

ERIC - Malaysia

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Yip agree entirely

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 07:34 AM
I have been sick and tired of microsoft rubish for years. Our copany is comitted to moving companies away from m$ even though we don't make money from it directly. I rekon the thing that could break M$'s back is www.openoffice.org if they loose half there income they will have to start droping things like msn, xbox, games, m$ mice and all the other rubish that shouldn't be there in the first place. I would really like to see them crawling on all fours looking for scraps...

rant over!!!

Happy new year!

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OpenOffice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 04:49 PM
Even more important that tools like <A HREF="http://www.openoffice.org/">OpenOffice</a openoffice.org> are the use of open file formats. The market, if it were free to choose, has been asking for file
<A HREF="http://news.com.com/2100-1001-966691.html?tag=fd_top">formats that everyone can read</a com.com>.



All 2002 Microsoft has issued carefully worded CYA statements and "profit warnings", and with good reason: their only profitable areas, MS-Windows and MS-Office, are dependent on monopoly rents. all other venture are losing catastrophic amounts of money. Even if MS-Office would support interoperable file formats, there are still the security problems and lack of support for other platforms. OpenOffice is already available so far on MS-Windows, Macintosh, Linux, Solaris, just to name a few. To add icing to the cake, businesses and agencies have full access to the code and can customize it as needed.

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Re:Yip agree entirely

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 09:17 AM
Uhhh---"rubish"? "copany"? "rekon"? "they loose(?) half there(?) income"? "droping"? Someone PLEASE introduce this person to the words "grammar", "spelling" and "spellcheck"! When I was in high school, back in the 1960s, my English teachers moaned that we were raising a generation of illiterate high school students; now, more than a generation later, I'm fully convinced that they were right. I've encountered more than forty years' worth of functionally illiterate high school graduates since then, and it's making me sick to my stomach. We have an educational system that condones graduating failing-grade students just to get the warm bodies out of the schools in order to make room for the next generation of students who aren't going to graduate with a proper education---and the people responsible for this travesty should
be taken out someplace and shot in the backsides with rock salt and bacon rind---and then sent back to school to learn how to do their jobs properly!
And you can hold the originator of the response I took those words at the front of this response from up as a prime example of what I've been talking about.

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Re:Yip agree entirely

Posted by: centinul on January 06, 2003 07:01 AM
Dang you nasty.

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Great article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 07:45 AM
Glad to see there is around 50% unemployment rate for MCSE's this is indicating that Microsoft courses are becomming worthless in industry. This will give people with skills in linux a advantage in the comming years. It has been a long time in comming...

Going to pass this link around!!!

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Re:Great article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 12:12 PM
Grow up man! I am a MCSE and you are glad to see me jobless? What makes you and any other GNU/Linux user/admins superior to us Windows users? Have you ever heard us Windows users critising Linux/UNIX people?

I love and use GNU/Linux at home and work and yes it is a good platform, but does that mean I should be made incapable to pay bills and feed my family because I manage Windows networks?

Software are tools and they are there to help us to make our lives easier. It is not the end but a means to an end. The sooner you understand that, then the sooner you can get the better of your anger.

Peace bro!

ERIC - Malaysia

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Re:Great article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 01:54 PM
Administrators are not compared against thier certification, Paper mcses, cisco, sco, dos are all among us and are called by thier respective certificates but they are all the same. Good admins get the job done and refuse to classify themselves (at least most dont) by thier certification, infact, the best dont classify themselves at all. Just sit in the sidelines until a server smokes then it magically works again nobody knowing the better. we arnt in this for certifcation but for love of the craft and a chance at the sweet corporate fibre.

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Re:Great article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 05:51 PM
You are right except that the suits (and generally most people) need some sort of certification to make you (i.e. me) prove you know your stuff and some sort of quality control.

The thing is there are many paper MCSEs, CCNAs, LPIs and such but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't increase our marketable value by getting certified.

And a responsible admin should not sit at the sidelines and wait for something to happen. Admins should not allow something as disastrous as a smoking server to happen.

 
We all need the pay cheque at the end of the month. In a perfect world what you say is totally true but we ain't living in one.

ERIC - Malaysia

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Re:Great article

Posted by: lotrfan on January 03, 2003 10:42 PM
Using your logic:

"I'm an assassin for hire, I need to pay my bills,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."

Not a good logic. I do agree with you that there is nothing wrong with beeing MCSE or working with Microsoft software. The message here is that extremisms of either side are bad.

Although not in the most etical mood, people wanting that companies changes to Linux so they can get a job (with a certification that will then be more valueable than yours) is perfectly common. They also need to pay their bills. Wich brings us the last message, based on your own thoughts: software is just the tool, but you must adapt to the new tools or may lose your job. Pretty hard, I know, but just the plain cold reality.

"Those who know how to do will allways have a job;

  Those who know why, will be their boss"
As Seen on the Internet

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Re:Great article

Posted by: centinul on January 06, 2003 06:54 AM
Pardon the spelling. Please.
Eric. No one wishes to see YOU jobless.
All the Linux comunity wants to see is Microsoft use better judgment in their business actions.
We all know how MS is. They run their copitition out of business by either purchasing them or tieing them up in court on bogus charges and bankrupting them.
And YES I have seen many Windows users and Microsoft chair persons talk very poorly against the Linux comunity. It is life and business survival. Also it is a free country where we are allowed to speek our mind. (some times) Soon though freedom of speach will not be part of the American way. We as sheep in this country work, pay our taxes and do what our Government tells us. And we continue to use Windows and trust Microsoft even though M.S. has shown us repetidly that we mean nothing to them and are nothing more than a mindless source of income for them. We dayly let our Constatutional rights slip away from us. We still have some but if you think about how this country realy is, we have already lost some of them.

  1. Freedom of speach. When you can be sued and lose everything you have ever worked for, family and friends, just because you spoke your mind. This happens here in the good old US of A. Right now.
2. Right to keep and bare arms. When your President ( Clinton ) tries to go through the United Nations to force gun controle on the people of this country. Which by the way our Congress stopped Mr. Clinton from doing.
I could go on but the point is this. Yes, Microsoft/Windows users do bash the Linux comunity.
We ( Linux users ) have the right to speak our minds about Microsofts actions, Just as Windows users have the right to complain about our complaining.
And it is unfourtunate that you may be out of a job in the MCSE line of work, no one should be happy that you can not feed your family, BUT. The blame should be on Microsoft, for having BAD morals and business practices which have caused you to lose your job.
For myself I hope you find a good job in your field soon.
But I also hope that M.S. comes to a proper state of mind, and flies right, or in the next 20 years they may find they are playing third fittle to Linux and Apple computers for a seat in the computer industry.

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Empty security patches

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 07:52 AM
Microsoft apparently released security patches with nothing inside them to take the preasure of them. So admins go around installing these empty patches on all their machines could be days for big setups. I am glad I use linux. Now I sit back a laugh my head off when I read stuff like this. I used to be the guy installing the patches...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Re:Empty security patches

Posted by: centinul on January 05, 2003 10:16 PM
Aint Linux GREAT?
You get an OS thats better than Microslosh can dream of, and don't have to worry about Uncle Bill trying to rape your pocket book, PC or anything else.

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This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 12:19 PM
This will be what eventually kills linux. Linux is surfing along on its reputation of security at the moment (the windows stability issue has all but disappeared since 2k/XP). Once Microsoft get their security sorted, its game over. Sorry but its the truth. Once those are gone linux has nothing going for it.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 01:34 PM
Sir;
You probably don't understand of the "free as in freedom" part of gnu/linux. Too bad for you.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 10:34 PM
I understand it. Its irrelevant. Linux's only real market share is in servers and that exists because of its reputation for superior security over Windows. With Microsoft investing hundreds of millions of dollars in improving security, soon its going to flip the other way, and then Linux is dead.

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What silliness

Posted by: David Cooper on January 04, 2003 01:02 AM
1) You don't fix security just by throwing money around. Neither you nor I have any idea *what* Microsoft is spending all those hundreds of millions of bucks on, exactly. You fix security it by creating a culture of quality management. How much evidence is there that Microsoft is doing this? Around about approximately sod all.

2) Linux (and other UNIX variants) is easier to administer than Windows. This is because you don't need a GUI to run it and you can automate things much more easily. Hence you save money on labour (less sysadmins).

3) Linux runs on much older, and often much less, hardware. Hence you save money on hardware upgrades and extraneous peripherals.

4) Most distributions can be downloaded free-of-charge, and those which cannot are still a hell of a lot cheaper than Windows. Hence you save money on licencing.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 08:14 AM
GPL is irrelevant? Idiot. "Linux's only real market share..." Ignorant capitalistic pig. If nowhere else, GPL has a place in universities. Hears a simple example: ANSI C++ code compiles in Visual C++, but not vice versa. What does this mean? It means that students who learn to code for a GPL compiler can STILL work in an M$ world, HOWEVER if oh-so-sweet M$ fades away, as all things must, those programmers will still be able to earn a living. Yes, the tech economy NEEDS socialistic software. Ironic isn't it? As to how this relates to Linux...

BSD is a great license, but can be plagiarized. For example, NT/2k/XP is based on BSD, and yet M$ has bit the hand that has fed them. Of course you already know how dependent on FreeBSD M$ is when it comes to webservers. So why GPL? GPL prevents plagiarism. It means that everyone is entitled to the same rights you have recieved. A true libertarian concept if I've ever heard one. Quite "American" actually, although Steve Balmer may disagree. At any rate, what I'm trying to say, is that if GCC was BSD licensed, M$ could just sit back, steal the code, and all the time insert there own stumbling blocks (features and shortcuts in M$ lingo) to "direct" programmers towards "better technologies". Sort of like a road lined with row apon row of tire rippers. It is very, very hard for a BSD licensed compiler to get anywhere in this world. Which brings us to GPL:

With GPL everyone gets to build off of everyone else's work. The wheel must never be re-invented, only refined when needed. GPL means that you have access you everything you need to make your product "work optimally with the operating system". Quicktime, Real[player,One] can theoretically integrate into KDE/GNOME better than they do into Windows. A GPL operating system and GPL GUI mean that all software companies have equal opportunity for a successfull product. It means the best product wins,no matter what license or business ties the developers of that product may have. If students learn that GPL is ok, and they release their preliminary work under it, companies can look their work, and it builds their resume's. I don't believe the world should be opensourced. There are groups such as hardware manufacturers who stand to loose their edge, if the specifications of their products are released. That's what binary modules are for. Things like compression algorithms can be reasonably propriopriatized too. Both these hardware drivers and compression algorithms should be released under a more open license after the next line of produts obsoletes them. (usually safe after three years or so in the tech industry, if I'm correct) This strategy is called "expanding your market share while keeping your edge, while drawing developers to your group by your benevolence". There's something you don't seem to understand: If people become frustrated with a tool, they won't use it. If people are told that they can only use a tool for X, they won't buy it when another another tool will help them do what they need to get done, and then anything they can think of later. People are becoming jaded towards computers. If you haven't noticed, Apple's been taking advantage of this with their switch campaign. We NEED an enlightenment. We NEED a renewal in ingenuity. Linux wasn't build from reactionary thought. It was built because there was needed. Linux can be the beginning of a whole new era tech innovation. The OS business is ludicrous anyway. It's like trying to patent the technique of forging iron. Eventually it will leak out. I believe it was Neal Stephenson, or Bruce Sterling who said that "All Operating Systems are destined to become free". It's much better to allow people to learn how to forge iron, and make money selling shovels, axes, or scythes instead.

Linux will never die, although it might fade away if a better, faster, cheaper, more open alternative becomes available.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 06:58 PM
M$ from architecture is not secure

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 01:33 AM
<A HREF="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/YHBT.html">YHBT. YHL. HAND.</a tuxedo.org> Also, I'd suggest you read <A HREF="http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l">this</a penny-arcade.com>.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 01:36 PM
You forget that a lot of people simply look to linux as an alternative. HP IBM and SUN as well as others are also supporting linux. This , you cannot deny, has some significance. Im just taking a jab as I have first replay to your post but most people already have these arguments and are ready to put them together better than I.
Even if linux dies it, suffice to say, will not take the rest of open source with it.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 01:38 PM
Microsoft's security problems are intractable. Because the code is closed, you can never be sure that it is secure, period.

NSA have a backdoor? who knows. MS want to know which media files you're looking at? good luck trying to disable that "feature".

This is a fundamentally different challenge than building windowing systems that don't crash, and is going to be a real hurdle for MS.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 01:42 PM
As a corrolary, MS is asking anyone who uses their software to trust them, as a corporate entity. There are few companies that i'd trust less, and they all sell tobacco.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 09, 2003 12:06 AM
Witness 1. "I believe that using products does not cause cancer .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.."

Witness 2. "I believe that using these products does not cause cancer . .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>."

Witness 3. "I too belive that these products do not cause cancer . .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>."

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Pfft

Posted by: David Cooper on January 03, 2003 05:32 PM
I don't use Linux because it's more secure than Windows (though it's a great relief to know that it is). I use it because you can do so much more with it, and the user interface(s) are a lot less annoying.

Plus, it does tend to be free-as-in-beer (in addition, of course, to free-as-in-speech). This cannot be easily dismissed, because - believe it or not - there are people in this world who need to have a legitimate operating system installed on their system(s).

Not, after all that, that I accept Microsoft is on the verge of fixing their security problems. It's a very complex task, and I just don't think they're prepared to make any serious commitment.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 06:00 PM
I doubt it will kill Linux, but it is definately one of Linux's advantages, however as far as a business point of view goes...
Windows XP + Office XP Pro is about 400 quid per PC. For 60 pc's that is £24,000 !!!
Suse Linux Pro is 80 quid for unlimted licenses (IE I bought it once and I can install it as many times as I want). A saving of ~24,000 quid<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;P

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 05:23 AM
I LOOOOVE people like you...for years Linux was not taken seriously and laughed at and now that it is making huge gains you counter with "this is what kills linux". If you had a clue you would realize that linux is here to stay in one form or another. But I understand your concern: you're scared. "Sorry but its the truth"

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 11:15 PM
Interesting point of view. Here's another one.


        This is MY COMPUTER, running MY OS!

This is what will kill Microsoft.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 10:55 AM
Dream on.

Microsoft has been running the "screw the customer for all you can get" game for so long that only diehard Microsoft fans (like you) are willing to overlook the abuse they regularly subject their customers to.

Let's face it: If there was already a firmly-established and user-friendly OS on the market in competition with Microsoft, and there were enough of the kinds of programs I use and want available on that platform, I'd drop Windows like a hot rock and jump ship right now.....and I imagine the majority of the current Windows users/victims in the world would do the same.

The only reason this hasn't happened - yet - is because Microsoft has either bought out potential competitors or litigated them into bankruptcy.....standard big-business-shark operating procedure.

I've never been particularly fond of sharks---and I like the human version even less. At least humans are supposed to have enough common sense and enough conscience to know better; obviously, they don't. That, in my eyes, makes them something less than human.

Someone check Bill Gates and Company for dorsal fins, will you please?

The only reason Microsoft hasn't skragged Linux is because the various incarnations of Linux aren't owned by any one party, and the majority of the distributors of these programs don't charge for them, which essentially makes them freeware. Microsoft has no one and nothing to buy out or sue into the poorhouse. Even if they were to track down everyone who's ever put out their own version of Linux and try to strong-arm them into submission, there's no way to keep it from spreading through the Internet, through the mail, from hand-to-hand.....

I'm waiting for the day when the producers of all the different incarnations of Linux finally get their products standardized enough that they interact smoothly, and work properly in a desktop environment---and there are enough of the programs that I need and want available on that platform for me to be able switch platforms with a minimum of pain and hassle. When that day comes, I'll be gone from Windows so fast that Microsoft won't even see the blur of my departure.

Anyone else out there feel this way?

Wake up and smell the corporate abuse.

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 01:05 PM
AMEN. R.I.UP. Microshaft ! [up= un-peace]

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 28, 2003 07:41 AM


 
Let's face it: If there was already a firmly-established and user-friendly OS


There is: I'm using <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/">it</a apple.com> right now.


--ATV

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Re:This will be what kills linux

Posted by: centinul on January 05, 2003 10:10 PM
Sorry.
Check in to Windows 2000 and XP some more and you will find that 2000 has MANY security flaws in it. It was reported my a Co called Gray Magic.
Their job is to find problems in OSs and report them back to the makers. ie Windows and Microsoft.
Windows 2000 was reported as being the buggiest OS from Microsoft since Win 95.
Windows XP is not much better since it is based out of 2000.
Microsoft has reason to be concerned. They have openly admitid that producing a secure OS has never been important to them and that they left the security up to third party software writers to take care of. You buy the OS from Microsoft and then pay more to some one else to keep that OS safe. Not good business.
Please do a little more research on this and you will find that Win 2000 and XP are NOT as secure as you think they are.

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Magicians Steve and Bill

Posted by: dial90 on January 03, 2003 05:53 PM
Very well written article. You get used to seeing what M$ gets up to, and nothing surprises from article to article anymore, but when it is all put together into one article it is staggering to think that people still buy their FUD, or their products for that matter. And this is just one year's worth.

I wonder what they are going to pull out of a hat for 2003.

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Re:Magicians Steve and Bill

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 11:00 AM
You wonder what they're going to pull out of their hats for 2003?

SOSDD*, more than likely.

*For the benefit of those unfamiliar with the acronym:"Same Old S**t, Different Day"

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one more cheap trick by MS, they'll be kicked out!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 03, 2003 08:11 PM

In India, they have even got the main opposition party the Indian National Congress to sign a deal which restricts its members promoting the usage of any other alternative software other than Microsoft's.



But in the state of Madhya Pradesh which is ruled by Congress, luckily we have few sane bureaucrats who are designated there as the state's information technology secretary and few other key posts.



Though these people haven't restricted Microsoft things, they just allow even open source software to be used instead of them and they also to a great extent use OSS but they never compel anyone to stick on to a thing!


Few years back, When Karnataka was ruled by Janata Dal(before it was split) it too had a IT secretary(I forgot his name!) he rigorously promoted GNU/Linux in the state and he with Wrox and few other open source pro companies organized a meet called Bang!inux(pronounced as Banglinux).


Soon, Uncles from MS arrived in Bangalore and got that guy transferred to some other department and the only reason the Karnataka government was supporting him because MS had ditched Bangalore and setup its international development center at Hyderabad.



Now Karnataka's Chief Minister, S M Krishna thinks that computers means microsoft!!
The congress party also wants India to get into the echelon project.



Thanks to the internal feud in that dumb party, pray those oafs may never get through their evil aspirations!!

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Re:one more cheap trick by MS, they'll be kicked o

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 11:09 AM
Great. Microsoft is not only out to rule the computer world, but it looks like it's making a bid for the entire planet in the bargain.

Anyone know a nice little planet in some other part of the galaxy I can move to? Preferably someplace Microsoft's never heard of?

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clap clap clap linux.com

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 09:59 AM
well done. you do realise you'ure just giving microsoft more unworthy attention. its one thing to have a community who give endless attention to microsoft instead of focussing their efforts on the development of linux and open source, its another to have linux sites who are supposedly pro-linux and pro-open source to do so, as they are just manifesting this amongst the viewers of their site.

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Re:clap clap clap linux.com

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 07:11 PM
I think you've got it the wrong way round.

Linux never had much publicity before Microsoft intervened, but Microsoft have always had abundant publicity.

Microsoft's negative publicity toward Linux has revealed that they're concerned of the threat Linux poses. The thing is, people then start looking into this Linux/Open Source stuff that has got Microsoft worried, and they generally see the truth: that it's actually far better than Microsoft make it out to be, and offers more freedom. Nobody has done as much for Linux publicity as Microsoft, and although Microsoft meant it for bad, the end result has been positive.

On the other hand, Microsoft already have all the publicity they need, and most of it is promoting what they want you to believe, not the whole truth of the matter. Who doesn't already know about Microsoft? Who doesn't already trust them blindly, going ahead with countless upgrades, still using Internet Explorer although it's constantly found to have new security holes?

Most people already trust Microsoft, they think Microsoft solutions are the best, they just brush aside Microsoft's failures and continue to put their trust in them. The article emphasizes this point and shows that Microsoft are not trustworthy, questioning everybody's blind faith in Microsoft. If you look at all of the facts together, then you can really see the extent to which Microsoft have gone to screw everybody.

Also, you say people should focus on the development of Linux and Open Source, but don't you realize that Microsoft are continually hindering that development? Why not then bring publicity to Microsoft's anti-competitive behavior?

--
Chris Pike

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Re:clap clap clap linux.com

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 04, 2003 07:28 PM
Absolutely right Chris. We all need to keep telling the truth about the way M$ do business, and make sure it is spread regularly and abundantly in all forms of media. Sure, we people who see such stuff regularly might get sick of it, but if each article in each location only gets one more person realising what they are putting their faith in and start looking for an alternative, the article has served its purpose.

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Wisk I could do that

Posted by: serverdon2003 on January 04, 2003 04:25 PM
I wish I could screw up all the time and make as much money as M$ does

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Re:Wisk I could do that

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 05, 2003 11:12 AM
Yeah---wouldn't it be nice?

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Palladium 2

Posted by: Ban_Country_Music on January 06, 2003 10:20 PM
By the time Palladium 2 rolls around, you will no longer actually control your computer. Due to "unfortunate but increasing accounts of piracy", you will be given a special IM program. You will have to IM a MS employee, who will control your computer via remote control to make sure you don't do any illegal activities. Unfortunately, you will only be able to use your computer between 9-5, Mon-Fri.

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You forgot something about the antitrust case...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 19, 2003 11:59 AM
Remember the email address that the government set up to take feedback from the public in the Microsoft antitrust trial? The government published online all of the email they received; I remember that a Slashdot article linked to it.

However, there were some suspicious things about that...

A lot of Slashdot readers (including myself) who sent anti-Microsoft opinions to the government couldn't find our emails in the collection that the government published, implying that they never received (or lost) our emails.

Meanwhile, hundreds or thousands of the emails in support of Microsoft all contained the same exact text, as if people had simply visited a web site and clicked a 'Support Microsoft' button to generate the message and send it to the DOJ -- or maybe people didn't know that a pro-Microsoft message was being sent on their behalf? Who's to say that some web site maybe asked users for an email address for some other purpose, and quietly sent a pro-Microsoft form letter to the DOJ without the users' knowledge?

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