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Sun announces full service support for OpenOffice

By Chris Preimesberger on December 03, 2003 (8:00:00 AM)

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UPDATED SAN FRANCISCO -- Sun Microsystems took a couple of big steps forward to benefit the open source community Wednesday by announcing full-service support -- some of it free of charge, other levels for payment -- for OpenOffice.org software and a free, trial-preview version of the its latest developers' package, now dubbed Java Studio Creator.

In a separate announcement, the Santa Clara, Calif.-based company also said it has turned down an invitation to join the Eclipse consortium for development of open source tools, citing a conflict of interest with IBM. This is not surprising, considering that the Eclipse name itself was intended as a snide affront on Sun's tool business by Big Blue and that Sun has owned the competing NetBeans tool franchise for years.

"The unprecedented growth of StarOffice and Open Office.org show that suites are here to stay," said Curtis Sasaki, Sun's vice president for desktop solutions. "As a key driver of the Open Office.org community, Sun is in an excellent position to provide comprehensive support."

Sun said that it will offer OpenOffice.org users free first-incidence support via its U.S. and international support call center. The U.S. number is (800) 574-3572.

"Sun Microsystems will announce the pricing for OpenOffice.org support shortly," said Sun spokeswoman Marie Domingo. "In the meantime, customers can continue using the Free Community Support resources available at Support.OpenOffice.org."

Charges for further levels of support will be announced "in a few days," said Robbie Turner, a Sun service executive. "We imagine that they will be similar to the support charges for StarOffice," she added. "We just have a few details to iron out."

Sun donated the source code for StarOffice.com in July 2000 to OpenOffice.org. More than 40 million copies of the office productivity software and the commercial version, StarOffice, have been downloaded since.

StarOffice, now in version 7.0, and OpenOffice 1.1 share the same source code, but StarOffice includes management controls and other enterprise-level features that OpenOffice does not. Since Sun acquired the German-originated StarOffice company from founder Marco Boerries in 1999, it has afforded full technical support to its customers.

Why did Sun wait so long to add support for the free version of the software? After all, it appears to be a no-brainer revenue stream for a company that has had its nasty financial problems spelled out regularly in the media.

"Well, people weren't exactly breaking down our doors asking for help early on," Turner said. "Most of the people who were using OpenOffice at the outset were individuals, not companies, and those people knew pretty much how to use it already. Now, with such a huge distribution, and with companies really beginning to use it, we think the time is right and that the demand is there to offer this service."

Java Studio Creator, formerly known as Project Rave, is Sun's next-generation tool suite for Java application development. Based on the open-source NetBeans toolset -- as most Sun development tools have been based for years -- Creator brings all of Sun's latest development innovations together in one package. Included in the latest release are such features as refactoring, a new user interface, the new J2EE 1.4 specifications, code folding (which allows a window to collapse and hide to allow for easier code writing), and other features.

Details on the new NetBeans 4.0 release were announced Tuesday.

"We've been watching the downloads of the Project Rave tools, and they're averaging about 12,000 copies per day," said Sun tools executive Joe Keller. "That's almost 25 percent higher than (IBM) Eclipse, which is doing about 10,000 per day."

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Very nice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 04, 2003 07:40 AM
I don't know what the heck first-level support is, but it's almost certainly better than nothing (unless they're gonna try some bait and switch tactics, or make you sit on hold for four hours to then not tell you anything more advanced than how to save files and such). I don't like Sun, but I have nothing but love for this move. Given that one of the main motivations for buying StarOffice, mainly for corporations, was the support, I wonder how this will affect that. Unless you really like the extra clip art and WordPerfect filters and such that come with StarOffice, there's now no real reason to buy it other than you're a business that likes throwing money away for free. But I like this move very much, even though I don't foresee myself ever using the support, even the free variety.

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Re:it's typical

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 04, 2003 01:09 PM
I bought Star Office7 through the Lindows CNR warehouse at a big discount. So it was at i price i found exceptable.

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Re:it's typical

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 04, 2003 02:15 PM
Uh, what does that have to do with anything?

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Re:it's typical

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 04, 2003 07:16 PM
Uh, that the price was right for them. In other words, they didn't have to put up a *load* of cash for something which offers little more than something else which is downloadable for free.

Not that StarOffice is a *load* of cash, really, especially compared to certain well-known alternatives, but the deal they got probably brought the price down a bit.

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Much needed.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 04, 2003 10:10 AM
Openoffice.org is gonna hit hard at my organization. I have used it for some time and it works fine. But then again, I'm a scavenger, I look at all places when I need: help contents, Google, a book (I bought a book, can you believe it?), expert sites etc.

But for an entire organization, a different approach is in order: a support department is needed. Common folks need help on which commands to use to search and replace, how to change fonts etc.

I myself am having a hard time at some things, because I lack formal training in Oo.o... things like easily changing font color (hint: click on the A icon and *hold* the mouse button).

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Re:Much needed.

Posted by: MisesGuy on December 04, 2003 11:09 PM
Well, in regards to changing font colors, MSO does the same thing. AbiWord and Gnumeric do the same things, too, IIRC.

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Re:Much needed.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 09:42 AM
Well, don't know about AbiWord nor Gnumeric (I just use Oo.o at home); but MSO surely is different: you click on its tiny A icon _once_ and you get a palette of colors. No need to "click and hold".

In fact, before Oo.o I never saw "click and hold" in any UI (ah, ok, used when renaming files in Windows Exploder), though obviously it is a good gesture, much better than "double click".

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Re:Much needed.

Posted by: Jerry L Kreps on December 05, 2003 12:40 AM
Common folks need help on which commands to use to search and replace, how to change fonts etc.



You've probably understated the problem, which is a problem not only for OpenOffice but Windows and most MS apps.

We are 15+ years into the GUI revolution (since Win 1.0), and there are still LOTS of folks who have been using PCs with WinXX for years and still don't know how to use an app as ubiquitous as Windows Explorer. They are shown a sequence of steps needed to open, use and close a few particular applications, which they write down and follow religiously. If anything occurs which doesn't fit their memorized sequence of step then they are instantly lost and need help. They have totally turned off their brain and aren't expected to think. (Usually because they are paid enough to think.)

It will be NO different when desktops start converting to GNOME/KDE in the wake of the Linux tsunami.

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Tell me about it!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 09:52 AM
I've seen people still backspacing to erase words letter by letter, which would even be replaced with copy&paste (so they shouldn't be erased first, just pasted over)... and also leaving blanks for values to be filled-in (they're using Word like paper!).

It borders a saddening experience to see a capable person being so lazy to learn...

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I don't see any statement about OpenOffice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 12:08 AM
Just went to the support link and there is no mention of OpenOffice support.

Can some post a link to the exact page that states support for OpenOffice?

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Re:I don't see any statement about OpenOffice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 12:33 AM
I actually found a page about the support but does not mention "FREE" anywhere.

http://www.sun.com/service/support/software/openo<nobr>f<wbr></nobr> fice/

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There is a moderated newsgroup...

Posted by: Jerry L Kreps on December 05, 2003 12:30 AM
that offers very good support for those on a strapped budget, if you can ignore the occasional flaming ego trip or sneaky spam. Find it at:
news://news.gmame.org

Those who prefer an email list should try:
http://support.openoffice.org/faq/ar01s01.html
for subscription information.

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Re:There is a moderated newsgroup...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 08, 2003 08:46 AM
There has been a site reorg over the weekend, perhaps you mean:

http://user-faq.openoffice.org/

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level 1 support

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 02:10 AM
This proably means some sort of automated phone help. "Press 1 for help with the 'file" menu, press 2 for help with the 'edit' menu" etc, etc. I think it will be helpful only for really technically challenged folk.

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I just called them

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 03:10 AM
... and got a busy signal.

(-: is that a good sign or a bad one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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One big happy valley

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 11, 2003 01:48 AM
Actually, Sun is in Mountain View. Satan Clara is the lair of Intel.

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