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By Robin 'Roblimo' Miller on February 09, 2004 (8:00:00 AM)

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Did you write an email virus and sic it on the world? I didn't think so. I didn't, either. Still, a recent BBC article headlined Linux cyber-battle turns nasty -- along with articles in many other respected publications -- makes it sound like "run-of-the-mill geeks" who use Linux are responsible for the MyDoom virus, instead of pointing out that this is the work of one or two demented individuals, not of "the Linux community." Another point that seems to be getting lost in media coverage of MyDoom and its possible "Linux connection" is that all computer operating systems have zealot-users who think their favorite OS is a religion, and consider anyone who advocates the use of another one a mortal enemy.
The BBC article opened with this sentence:
The MyDoom virus has triggered a new wave of attacks on company websites. It is also looks like a new front in a war waged by those who want to preserve the open-source Linux operating system.
I "want to preserve the open-source Linux operating system" as much as anyone, but I don't see that writing and spreading viruses is an effective way to do it. MyDoom clogs my bandwidth and spam filters just as hard as it clogs up a Windows user's pipes. Why in the world would any sane Linux user or advocate want to do something like this to himself or herself, and do it to millions of other Linux users, to "preserve the open-source Linux operating system"?

Isn't this tactic just a wee bit counterproductive?

Okay, fine. SCO's servers are the target of the virus's payload. MyDoom is supposed to be a plot to hurt SCO. But how is it hurting SCO? Nobody is buying their so-called Linux licenses, and they seem to have abandoned their traditional operating system and support business in favor of full-time litigation, so it's not as if keeping people away from SCO's Web site is costing the company any money. If MyDoom is having any effect on SCO, it's a positive one. "Here's this nice, honest little company out in the desert, besieged by Linux criminals," is the thought undoubtedly going through the minds of many who read about MyDoom -- including judges and potential jurors who may end up deciding SCO's future in the courtroom, which is the only venue that's really important to SCO these days.

I don't believe SCO is behind MyDoom, either. A few fringe people may want to enjoy this conspiracy theory, but it makes no sense. Such conspiracies are almost always exposed in the end, and if this one were true, and was revealed, SCO's stock price would collapse and its executives and attorneys wouldn't be able to cash in on their nefarious anti-free software actions.

Every operating system has nut cases among its users

There are many millions of Linux users. There is no sanity test required to install Linux, so it stands to reason that there are at least a few crackpot zealots with virus-writing capability who use Linux. But Linux is not the only operating system that has fringe-mentality users. The Church of Satan openly boasts about using Mac OS (and Apple is not happy about it). Back when international terrorist groups Al-Queda and Hamas had public, English-language Web sites, they ran on Windows and Microsoft's IIS server. Note that no one blames Microsoft for terrorism or blames Apple for Satanists. Well... probably someone does, but that just proves the point that in any group with millions of members, you are bound to have a few people who believe just about anything, up to and including the idea that electricity doesn't exist and there are little people inside computers who put all the words and pictures up on the screen, one at a time.

If you don't think Windows has at least a few zealous, vituperative fans, look at some of the comments attached to this article. And I got email over it just as rude as any nasty comments people get when they write anti-Linux articles, too.

But I don't run around writing articles accusing "'the Windows community" of writing viruses or wreaking havoc on the Internet -- or anywhere else. I often get disgusted with the poor security of Windows -- and even more disgusted with Outlook and Outlook Express -- and the lack of security precautions many Windows users take, because this lack of Windows security is what allows malicious viruses and worms to spread. But I don't think Windows users, as a group, are trying to take down SCO's servers out of hatred or for any other reason. Indeed, I suspect that most Windows users have never even heard of SCO.

One note I'd better put in here: Someone is sure to post a comment on this story (or say in a newsgroup where it is discussed), something like, "Nyuck, nyuck... Windows users are too retarded to write viruses if they wanted to. That's the only reason they don't."

This is not true. There are many intelligent people and competent programmers who use Windows. There are also competent programmers who like Mac OS X. Linux may be your personal choice -- it's certainly mine -- but this doesn't mean anyone who doesn't use Linux is automatically stupid or evil. I have many friends and neighbors who use Windows (and Mac), and they're perfectly nice people.

Grin and bear it

I just took a break from writing to check my email. I had two "real" messages buried in the middle of over 100 pieces of spam and MyDoom junk. MyDoom emails currently outnumber spams in my "junk"' folder. I get far more junk email than most people since I must monitor incoming email for a whole stack of high-profile OSDN Web sites, each with its own set of email aliases. But I am not going to go into a mad rage about evil Linux users who make MyDoom. I may display a little bit of irritation toward people who help spread these viruses through poor software choices and by opening email attachments they shouldn't, but it is the kind of mild irritation I feel toward incompetent drivers, not the anger I see being displayed toward Linux users by BBC writer Stephen Evans in the article I mentioned when I first started writing this story.

Evans wrote:
If anyone's anger has no measure, it is the wrath of internet zealots who believe that code should be free to all (open source).
Somehow, he fails to point out that 99.9999999% of open source supporters -- including 99.999% of those he would probably classify as "zealots" -- have no desire to write viruses, and are their victims just as surely as anyone else.

It's sad that so many writers for mainstream media still maintain the stereotype of Linux developers and users as antisocial teenagers who work as a group to make life miserable for all Internet users. This simply isn't true. I'm a Linux user, and the most seditious group to which I belong is the AARP.

It would take someone with a double-layered tinfoil hat (no doubt with a "Flying Windows" logo on it) to accuse the AARP of being a Linux-based terrorist group, even though the AARP Web site runs on Linux. But I'm sure, out of the many millions of Windows users in the world, there are a few who could be persuaded to believe this, just as there are almost certainly a few Linux users who believe Microsoft and SCO are evils that should be fought "in the streets" with viruses and other vandalism, instead of sanely, in the courtroom, with lawyers.

Editor's note: A detailed story about virus writers published in the New York Times Magazine over the weekend (free registration required) mentioned only one operating system -- Windows -- and only one programming language -- Visual Basic. None of the virus writers quoted in the article mentioned Linux at all. If they started using Linux, its open nature might lead them to use their talents for socially useful hacking instead of exploiting Windows weaknesses.

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Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2004 09:44 PM
I believe the Linux community did it and no, no one can change my mind. There are too many coincidences to say it was someone else.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: defurnej on February 09, 2004 10:10 PM
-1 Flamebait

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2004 10:13 PM
Yup. Its true. We ALL did it. I wrote line 738.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Joe Klemmer on February 10, 2004 01:57 AM
Are you sure that was yours? I thought you wrote line 736. It's been a while since we all collaberated on this great project, though, so I might be misremembering. Hell, I can't remember if I wrore line 956 or line 957. I'd have to look at the source but, as we all know, we took the CVS archive off-line just before we released the virus. Oh well... For the next virus we are all in the process of write I'm going to remember to keep a copy of the source on my system with my contributing lines highlighted.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Ciaran O'Riordan on February 10, 2004 02:13 AM
You must have been looking at an old version. Near the end I added two lines above his, making his line number 738.

I've heard that our future viruses will be developed on a wiki, but y'know how it is, nothings ever certain until we get that secret email. The exact plans will be sent out as multiple messages, each containing three lines of "random" words - which only we, the millions, understand.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 09:26 AM
any bets that the next press release by SCO will be "linux geeks admit on newforge that they created MyDoom"?

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: OwlWhacker on February 09, 2004 10:29 PM
You believe that the Linux 'community' did it?

Really?

You believe that the entire Linux community plotted together and created this virus?

Or do you mean that you believe somebody who is pro-Linux did it?

There is a difference.

But perhaps you're one of those dumb Windows users that doesn't have a clue, you know, the dummies that are stupid enough to activate these virii in the first place. Oh, actually that can't be right, I'm also a Windows user when I'm at work. I guess this means that, as I'm part of the Linux community, I write virii for Windows and then activate them, infecting my own machine?

Just because a German guy was recently found to be a cannibal, you don't start shunning the 'German cannibal community'... do you?

Come on, get a grip!

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 08:33 AM
Hmm...maybe someone should point out that it's hard enough to get a bunch of programmers to agree on a single point..nevermind a whole program (mydoom).
It'd take years to right!

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2004 11:00 PM
I know you are just trolling and flaming, but I want you and others who have a thinking mind to give this article a read.

www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402081515419<nobr>3<wbr></nobr> 8

This is from a gentleman who wrote a reply on Slashdot who Pamala Jones (aka PJ) from Groklaw asked to please write an article explaining why he thought the people who are responsible for the MyDoom virus are professional spammers.

Read it, it will chill you when you consider what he has to say about what he thinks is the real reason for this.

BTW: He who has a closed the door to his mind has closed the door to the world. If you truly can't be convinced otherwise, especially with sound logic, then have fun in your little room all by yourself.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 02:18 AM
Groklaw is nothing but wanna be lawyers and linux zealots who show nothing on their site but opinion and neglect facts. I dont believe a word written on Groklaw.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Charles Tryon on February 10, 2004 02:37 AM
> Groklaw is nothing but wanna be lawyers and linux zealots<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...


Heh.... but at least they can write.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 02:40 AM
Nicely posted as Anonymous, to show your support for your opinion....

Oh, and you obviously haven't read groklaw at all, since the first word is IANAL, so nop, not a wanabe lawyer in sight, even some real lawyers do pass from time to time.

And just to finish you off, PJ doesn't post any opinions with out the referances, and by that I mean court documents, not "Darl told me so" press conferances.

I'd happily chat all day, but I know that I'm going to get my nuckles rapped for feeding you...

See ya

David

P.S: IANAL<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: bex on February 10, 2004 08:36 AM
Not even the court documents (written by SCO's and IBM's _real_ lawyers)??
If you want an unbias opinion stick to these documents and dont read the postings.
Oh, and quit trolling.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2004 11:41 PM
Yeah. Coincidences like the person's skill in writing VB hacks. A sure sign of a Linux user. Ever think that this guy would have said "From Russia with Love" during the cold war? Or "Free Kevin" five years ago?

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 01:26 AM
Unless you have proof, it really doesn't matter what you think. (Gee, does this guy sound like SCO Group or what? After all, they like to make accusations without proof too!)

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 01:27 AM
The point of this article was not to push blame away from a few linux users who probably wrote the virus, but to correctly establish the idea that the whole community cannot be judged from a few bad apples. Just as Apple cannot be judged on its userbase, nor microsoft.

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we all know the correct response to this

Posted by: DCallaghan on February 10, 2004 03:00 AM
Only 25% of those infected by the work were set up to DDOS a site. Therefore, the main purpose of the worm was unquestionably not to DDOS SCO. Period.

The bulk of the worm's payload sets up a network of zombie boxes to be used at a later date to relay spam. Also, keystroke loggers are installed to mine for credit card and identification information for identity theft. Therefore, the main purpose of the worm is standard-issue organized crime. The DDOS attacks against high-profile media names like SCO and Kazaa (coming next) are merely diversion.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is demonstrably wrong. Its not a grey area or subject to interpretation. Its in the code. Ask your friendly neighborhood security professional.

An incorrect statement remains incorrect, no matter how many news outlets repeat it. And next time someone makes this kind of statement, you can give them the facts in ten seconds or less.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 05:04 AM
What about Elvis?

I *know* it had to be Elvis. The evidence is pretty conclusive.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 07:25 AM
To be written by a community there would have to be a distributed effort. There's no indication that more than one or two heads were behind it. For that matter, the author should turn himself in. sure, there would be the prison sentence, but then he could sue everyone who got it for copyright infrengement. After all, they don't have a license to use that software....

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Re:Whatever, Run what you want!

Posted by: Sage1 on February 10, 2004 08:04 AM
Spammers did it, keyloggers sends data back to them... It is all right there in the code, according to some of the acknowledged virus fighting companies.

Linux users are too busy, serving over 230 distros to the world, to screw around with messing up someone else!

I am serving Linux on LimeWire. Gets over 3000 hits per day, mostly from Microsoft users who are sick and tired of 70,000 virus/w0rm attacks, and the hours they have to spend each week cleaning out the system, and updating 'patches' that don't patch, etc...

Anyone who thinks an Open Source aficionado did
MyDoomA or B, either wrote the thing themselves, or, is so stupidly Microsoft centric that their opinion is useless.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: bex on February 10, 2004 08:42 AM
Good for you. Being closed minded will get you out of a lot of thinking for yourself.
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Um...can you name 3 coincidences that ARNT media hype? And by hype I mean things like:
A DDoS attack aimed at SCO who don't like OSS.
It doesn't infect linux.
Um....I can't think of anymore.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 10:39 AM
I believe you are an idiot and no, no one can change my mind. There are too many coincidences to say it you are something else.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 18, 2004 02:47 PM
Out of curiousity, do you know any other words besides "you are and idiot" and "no one can change my mind"? I am saddened by this fact because I myself use Windows. And in the entirety of my usage I have not encountered any virii of sorts. It's just how you take care of yourself. Otherwise you have no one else to blame besides yourself.

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Re:Whatever

Posted by: linuxspeed on February 10, 2004 12:11 PM
But if I am not mistaken that was a windows virus.
It would make sense to conlcude that it was written by a windows programmer. And what was sco doing running windows systems. No wonder there company is going belly up. They can't even make their own operating system work for them. So I sure can't see them taking very good care of customers that might want to run it. The view that the linux community as a whole did this is a very stereotyipical view. So just go ahead and believe that and while you are at it believe that all proffessors wear a white coat have sloppy hair and poor hygiene. I guess you think I wrote the virus too. I have no desire to do that. Not even to a windows user.

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Write the BBC

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2004 11:04 PM
I have previously suggested getting in touch with the BBC and POLITELY point out that when a World Wide Newsservice starts pointing fingers - In my view they'd better have damn conclusive proof or they'll have another investigation for Lord Hutton to perform - Except who is to blame this time? The old management has been retired...

Could it be journalistic ethics that is the real problem at the BBC and other newsproviders at the moment?

If you think so, then suggest the BBC and others to look at the guidelines for journalists and their reporting!

Ask them to provide proof not speculation!

I did - Take care everyone, and start tapping on those keyboards... and remember be nice but firm!

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Re:Write the BBC

Posted by: toxicshock on February 10, 2004 01:21 AM
It's no use.
They are used to "sexing up" their own stories as Lord Hutton as shown. I wish he would do the same service for Canada to the CBC.

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Already Done

Posted by: Charles Tryon on February 10, 2004 02:45 AM
The BBC probably has a thousand letters on this article already (since it was posted in Slashdot), some of which I have seen. The ones I saw posted were even handed and well thought out, and contained hard documentation for the various points they were making.


One person posted the reply he got back from the BBC, and it was basically: "We wrote what we wrote. We're sticking by it, and you can go soak your head." (with a British accent, of course.)

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Good article about MyDoom and journalism

Posted by: xx-jm-xx on February 09, 2004 11:04 PM
can be found at <A HREF="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040208151541938" TITLE="groklaw.net"> Groklaw</a groklaw.net>.

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all valid poihts

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2004 11:13 PM
except...the part about every OS having zealots. Yes they exist but if you're claiming the aren't more prevelant or rabid in Open Source OSes then you're blind. Most OSes have adherents but only Open Source OSes tie their choice of software to a deep philisophical beliefs about information being free. As a result the OPen Source OS crowd is much more rabid and zealots are much more common. I switched to Linux and FreeBSD 3-5 years ago (it was a slow transition) and I've had to listen to more diatribes and demegoguery than ever before since joining the community. We need to address this issue head on if we're ever going to be a viewed as anything but fringe lunatic disciples of the Penguin God.

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Re:all valid poihts

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 12:40 AM
Disclaimer: I've used Windows since 3.11, and I think windowsXP is still a better desktop than anything Linux can provide atm.

Windows is like eating from the coorperate trough. They give you what they think you need. Like a farmer giving cows feed.

Usind Windows is like going to the Mall. There are many brand names, and all of it expensive compaired to anywhere else. All of it is flashy, marketed, and in your face with gaudy colors or clever elegance. But all of it makes you feel like you are a cow.

Microsoft has made it an unfriendly place for many people. They control everything and shuns outside improvements. They extent, embrace and destroy. They force feed you insecurity for the sake of convienence and dangerous features. And they force you into unattractive contracts by use of threats and veiled attacks, and by making it so they are the only players in town (which isn't exactly true, but true enough).

Linux is like going to flee market. The kernal is the paths and the tables. Everytime the kernal upgrades, the market gets a little better. In the market, is a lot of crap. But if you look around, there are many many many treasures. But the important part of this is GNU/Linux is a market of people, who want to be there and have a personal stake at whats going on. It's personal, hence the zealotry.

If someone who was threatening and causing damage walks into a mall, most people will steer clear and let the 'authorities' take care of it and let the property take the damage. They don't have a vested interest in what's going on.

But if the same person tried that at a flee market, how many people do you think would step up to stop that person? Hence the apperance of zealotry.

Personally, I would take the zealots than the cooperate shills. JustMyOpinion...

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Oh

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2004 11:39 PM
The story of the BBC is bad journalism style. Remember Worldtechtribunde Scott McCollums hate-talks about the "Jihad against Microsoft"?

Many people are angry about the fact that false evidence and false information spread by SCO was used by the press and no closer investigation given.

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Youth &amp; Linux

Posted by: SarsSmarz on February 10, 2004 12:55 AM
Although I think these latest MS-attacks are pure Mafiya, it was interesting for me to expose typical MS script-kiddies to the wonders of Linux.

I think when intelligent youth are presented with the MS world, it's like a 2 year old being placed in front of a perfect house of cards. They can only think of knocking it down.

When presented with building Linux on a PC, and putting together a network, the more constructive wheels in their heads start turning.

As a moral crusade, I urge Linux people to wean computer-interested youth off MS. My own kids, however, don't give a hoot about how a computer really works.

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Re:Youth &amp; Linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 16, 2004 02:23 PM
Exactly! I've been there, done that.
When I was an early teen, I became frighteningly script-kiddie-ish (e.g. cracking the neighborhood windows boxes via NetBIOS). Let's face it, if you want to do modify stuff (beyond what MS allows you to) in Windows, you need to crack or use someone else's tool (sounds S-K-ish doesn't it?) to do it. Then I stepped out of the MS world and was amazed by what I could do. I actually have SOURCE CODE!!! No more spending hours in front of debuggers and hex editors. Open source enables that hacking urge to be put to good use. Richard Stallman, I owe you a thank you.

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common logic

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 12:59 AM
That virus requires very good windows expertise
to be written, so virus creator(s) are part
of a windows community, aren't they ?

What is the definition of the community, after all ?
I use Linux, and I don't have any membership card.


 

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Re:common logic

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 15, 2004 09:26 PM
You're right. The virus writers are windows users trying to hurt the linux community by making it appear that they sided with linux against SCO. Seems to me like a scam on everyone, but fueling SCO's point against linux.

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zealots.....

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 01:09 AM
I like those terms, "zealots", etc. They are
created by marketing departments of the same rich
companies that hire and pay "evangelists" that go
around and poison minds of the people willing to
listen.

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Funny I get lameness filter on BBC subject line

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 03:17 AM
A new email virus called MyDoom is spreading rapidly across the Internet through <A HREF="http://winnetmag.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=41567" TITLE="winnetmag.com">UNIX</a winnetmag.com> mail servers, bringing with it a dangerous attachment that, when opened, can give attackers access to users' computers through an electronic backdoor.



Apparently in <A HREF="http://winnetmag.com/Authors/AuthorID/879/879.html" TITLE="winnetmag.com">their</a winnetmag.com> zeal to deflect criticism, they are ignoring, or don't read<nobr> <wbr></nobr><A HREF="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=94587&cid=0&pid=0&startat=&threshold=3&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change" TITLE="slashdot.org">/.</a slashdot.org> where a <A HREF="http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/0104/28worm.html" TITLE="ajc.com">more plausible explanation</a ajc.com> as to the <A HREF="http://www.messagelabs.com/news/virusnews/detail/default.asp?contentItemId=733&region=america" TITLE="messagelabs.com">origin of the virus</a messagelabs.com> has been posted, and as to the <A HREF="http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/27/1929244&mode=nested&tid=136&tid=137" TITLE="newsforge.com">motives</a newsforge.com> behind it.

 
Too bad (for the site) <A HREF="http://winnetmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=41567&Action=Comments" TITLE="winnetmag.com">their own readers don't fall for it</a winnetmag.com>

The above links are relevent to the BBC post as well.



Wrath of the geeks



If anyones anger has no measure, it is the wrath of internet zealots who believe that code should be free to all (open source).

So, it seems likely that the perpetrators of the MyDoom virus and its variants are internet vandals with a specific grudge.



SCO is the big, bad company that violates one of their sacred principles, as they would see it.



***There's no proof, of course***, but it must be one of the theories at the top of any investigator's list.




Interesting to see the BBC publishing this "reporting" on the heels of <A HREF="http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/goto/?getPage=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20040130%2FD80DB6V81.html&return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drudgereportArchives.com%2Fdsp%2Fsearch.htm%3FsearchFor%3DBBC" TITLE="drudgereportarchives.com">this</a drudgereportarchives.com>


They argued that Mr Dyke, the BBC's editor-in-chief, was blameless for the "defective" system of checks which failed to expose the mistakes made by reporter Andrew Gilligan.



Mr Dyke, they argued, had a long list of extra responsibilities, from " motivating staff " to handling budgets and could not have been expected to check Mr Gilligan's story which alleged that the Government inserted bogus material into the Iraq dossier.



Although editors traditionally accepted responsibility for their journalists' shortcomings, that did not mean Mr Dyke "could or should" have had any clue about the inaccuracies in the story.



The BBC submission said its governors did not have "direct management responsibility" although they did take "ultimate responsibility for the BBC in everything it does".



And it argued, astonishingly, that the governors were never asked to treat the deluge of demands for an apology made by Alastair Campbell or the Government as "a formal complaint".



<A HREF="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/8875958?source=Evening%20Standard" TITLE="thisislondon.co.uk">Meanwhile</a thisislondon.co.uk> , in a separate legal submission, Gilligan attempted to claim that reporters should be allowed "a margin of error" to make mistakes.





And more:



On the BBC


  • BBC editorial system was 'defective'


  • BBC management failed to appreciate that Gilligan's notes did not support the most serious of his allegations


  • The BBC governors should have recognised the desire to protect its independence was not incompatible with investigating Mr Campbell's complaints, no matter what their tone


  • The BBC governors should have investigated further the differences between Gilligan's notes and his report, and that should have led them to question whether it was in the public interest to broadcast his report relying only on his notes




  • On Andrew Gilligan


  • Gilligan's report on Today programme that dossier was 'sexed up' by the government was a 'grave allegation'


  • Gilligan attacked integrity of government and Joint Intelligence Committee in Today broadcast


  • On the 45-minute claim: Gilligan's report did not distinguish between long-range battlefield and strategic weapons


  • Gilligan's allegation that government probably knew its 45-minute claim was wrong was unfounded - even if the claim is proved to be wrong in the future


  • Kelly did not tell Gilligan that the government knew the 45-minute claim was probably wrong


  • 'I am satisfied he did not say the reason why it was not in the original document was that it came from one source and that the intelligence agencies did not believe it was necessarily true'




  • And more:



    However, the Hutton report makes key points which the BBC and others cannot ignore. On whether the dossier had been sexed up, Lord Hutton's statement notes that it is a slang expression capable of more meanings than one. But he is clear that the allegation was unfounded because it gave listeners the impression that 'the dossier had been embellished with intelligence known or believed to be false or unreliable, which was not the case'. This is a serious issue because, if the British government had indeed exaggerated the dossier in the way implied by the BBC report, it would have been guilty of knowingly misleading the public in its defence of military action against Iraq. Nothing less than the government's credibility was at stake in the face of the BBC report, and the Hutton inquiry leaves no one in any doubt about which version of events it has chosen to believe.



    As for the BBC itself, the report found its editorial system defective. Among other things, Mr Gilligan had aired his report without editors having viewed a script of what he was going to say and having judged whether it should be approved. This was a serious lapse, and not only with the benefit of hindsight. In-house scrutiny by editors is an obvious way in which news organisations vet news for accuracy and preserve standards of probity in commentary. The BBC, precisely because its credibility gives it so much influence worldwide, should have ensured that the report stood up to editorial scrutiny. It has put new guidelines in place. Now, before any controversial report based on a single, unnamed source is transmitted senior editors have to review the contents, talk with the reporter and see the notes.




    Has the report on the linking of Linux users to the MyDoom virus undergone the same scrutiny? An unfounded, and unproven allegation, as acknowledged by the reporter who admits he has no evidence?



    Imagine the other groups that can be "linked" to crimes and scandals through the same foundations as used by this BBC reporter?



  • A certain race to high crime


  • A certain sexual preference to bestiality/pedophilia


  • A certain religion to terrorism


  • A certain race to drug use


  • A certain...




  • Is this reporting what we are to expect from the new BBC? Does the BBC editorial staff accept this "report", and the unfounded allegations contained within, acceptable? If not, why was it published? If so, nothing at all has changed at the BBC, and the BBC has a problem more severe than it can ever admit to. Or see.

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    Re:Funny I get lameness filter on BBC subject line

    Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2004 07:50 AM
    Jeeze.

    Wave bye-bye to BBC's long-standing reputation for journalistic excellence.

    What a pity.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(

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    OK, time to stop the soul-searching.

    Posted by: ccchips on February 10, 2004 11:34 PM
    Face it: The people who did this are criminals, and they deserve to be sent to jail, and in this case, for a long time.

    I could go to my local hardware store, buy the ingredients for a little bomb, and throw it at an automobile, wearing a perfectly-made disguise, just because I don't like auto companies. There is *nothing technological* to stop me from doing this!

    I figure the involved people are probably spammers or crackers, but the "why" and the "how" don't mean squat to me. Instead of soul-searching, it's time we start spending our energies (a) finding these poeple, (b) proving them guilty, and (c) putting them in jail where they belong.

    It's as simple as that, and jawing about what Linux has to do with it is a waste of time.

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    True Linux zealot?

    Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 11, 2004 12:39 AM
    A true linux zealot would never sink so low that he'd actually wrote a windows program such as MyDoom virus. I haven't written a single windows program in 6 years and am proud of it.

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