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Improve your iPod with Rockbox

By Tim Lord on April 14, 2006 (8:00:00 AM)

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Over the past few years, I've been ripping my CD collection to Ogg Vorbis, intending to one day find a portable player for all those tracks of synthpop, reggae, and comedy. Now I've finally found a player for my 60-or-so gigs of Ogg files which has the the ergonomics, battery life, and accessory market of the iPod. The secret to having a player that deals with so many codecs, but that looks and acts like an iPod, is that it is an iPod -- just one that I converted last night with a firmware swap to run the excellent, open source system called Rockbox. Rockbox isn't perfect -- and it sure isn't for everyone -- but I'm pleased as punch with it.

At last I can listen to the Ogg Vorbis version of Novell Open Audio podcast while trudging to the grocery store, and no one's the wiser that I'm listening to a format that's neither encumbered by patents nor vilified as a tool for ill doings. Bonus: it plays various other file formats, such as those naughty MP3s (so I can hear a download of the Penn Jillette radio program on the bus each day) and several others, including three lossless compression formats.

The long slow road to the iPod

Until last Autumn, I'd been holding out for a portable player that used AA batteries, played back Ogg Vorbis files, and could be mounted transparently as a hard drive for simple drag-and-drop file management rather than relying on any one company's proprietary, intrusive approach to arranging my files. Then, thanks to a sale at Costco, I bought an iPod instead -- despite its battery, lack of Vorbis support, and (to me, annoyance-ridden) iTunes management software.

Four factors convinced me to buy the iPod, despite my misgivings. I figured I'd be able to use it as a tool to store digital photographs on a then-upcoming family trip to China, and as a backup device generally. The Costco deal also included several nifty accessories, among them a piggyback battery pack, so the iPod could at least kinda-sorta be powered by AA batteries, even if that famously fickle original battery was still lurking inside.

Also, by that time, several options for working with the iPod under Linux were mature enough that I knew I wouldn't have to borrow or buy a machine running Windows or OS X to manage the contents of the device. (I ended up being happy with gtkPod as an iTunes-alike, at least so far as device-specific music software could make me happy.)

Finally, I figured that the iPod Linux project would sooner or later not only let me run Linux on the thing, for kicks if nothing else, but give me Ogg Vorbis playback as well.

I'd been familiar with Rockbox through postings about it on Slashdot but I didn't realize until I idly scanned the page last night that Rockbox supported the iPod at all, or (Callooh! Callay!) that it played back Ogg Vorbis on any platform at all. However, it does and it does. And while iPod Linux is churning along, creating an impressively complete software system given its unique hardware constraints, I ended up going with Rockbox instead.

Among other things, the iPod Linux project's wiki says that iPod Linux is stable only for the first three generations of iPod hardware (even if Joe Barr did manage to squeeze it onto his nano), and that Ogg Vorbis playback is thus far only at about 80% of real time. Handily enough, Rockbox's iPod support starts where iPod Linux's leaves off, with the 4th generation iPod, the model I own. So, after some downloading, fiddling, and finger-crossing, my iPod has been Rockboxed.

Rockbox for iPod, an executive summary

Rockbox Rockbox started as a reverse engineered alternative firmware for certain Archos MP3 player/recorders -- now Rockbox varieties support machines from Archos, iRiver, iAudio, and Apple. What Rockbox provides for iPod users is an alternative operating system for several models of iPod. It works with the two most recent generations of (full-sized) iPod, as well as with the nano and Mini varieties.

Rockbox uses, by necessity, the iPod's click-wheel input system and employs a similar nested-menu navigation. Casual iPod users might not feel instantly at home, but will probably be comfortable enough with the menus after a few minutes futzing around to start playing music. However, once a user starts exploring those menus, he's likely to spend quite a while exploring the long lists of fonts, games, and options they offer. Among those options are several things which as far as I know are still missing from Apple's firmware, including cross-fading of tracks (so songs blend into each other, DJ-style) and gapless playback.

Music file management on the standard iPod is simple -- if you're using iTunes or one of the several iPod-management tools available under free operating systems. These programs can access the iTunes database that lives on each iPod, and are designed to deal with Apple's system of hiding music files with obfuscated filenames scattered among obliquely named folders. However, if you mount your iPod as a mass storage device, you get the same logical layout for file management as you would with any other removable drive.

Unlike the original user interface (UI), Rockbox uses this simpler, nested-folder system to manage music as well as other types of data, so you can drag and drop music straight to the window representing the drive's contents. Rockbox will not read the obfuscated format used by the original iPod software. For good or ill, that means no longer relying on an application like iTunes or gtkPod to manage your music.

The scary part: Installation

There's a lot of information on the Rockbox documentation page; the directions which led me through installing Rockbox on under Linux are well-written and concise, though still I managed to goof up a few times before getting things right. Bear in mind that swapping the firmware that came with an iPod is theoretically risky -- but if a klutz like me can do it successfully, odds are good that you can, too.

First, you'll need a FAT32 formatted iPod, not an HFS+ version -- the Rockbox site has instructions on converting the iPod if it is an HFS+ formatted device.

I won't go into the procedure in detail, but it takes just a few steps to install Rockbox on the iPod. Note that I've broken the steps down somewhat differently than the directions page on the Rockbox site does. My desktop is running Debian 3.1, but the outline below should hold for any recent Linux-based operating system:

  1. Download some pieces of software from the Rockbox site: You'll need a bootloader and a zipped copy of Rockbox proper, both of which are device specific (grab the latest daily build of the appropriate version of Rockbox), and a utility called ipod_fw.

  2. After backing up the iPod's partition table, use the dd command to copy the Apple bootloader to your Linux machine, and meld it with the Rockbox bootloader, with a command sequence approximately -- but only approximately! -- like this one:

    dd if=/dev/sdx1 of=bootpartition.bin
    ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
    ipod_fw -g 4g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-4g.bin

    This is the phase where I made some missteps, none of which were fatal to the enterprise, by confusing partion.bin and apple_os.bin, and therefore creating a botched bootloader. However, reading the directions more carefully set me straight.

    Very important: The commands here are for illustration only! The letter your system assigns to the iPod will vary; on my machine, it was mounted at /dev/sdf, rather than /dev/sda as in the examples at the Rockbox site.

  3. Use the dd command again, this time to write your new bootloader to the iPod: dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdx1. Again, be very careful that you're writing that boot image to the right place -- your iPod is almost certainly not actually mounted at /dev/sdx -- that's just an example.

  4. Reboot the iPod; I'd suggest booting into disk mode, by holding down the Select (center) button and the Play (lowermost) button as the iPod turns on. Now that the bootloader's in place, you're ready for the final step: unzip the Rockbox image itself into the root directory of the iPod. If you'd like some almost instant gratification, drag a few Ogg Vorbis files onto the drive as well. Reboot once more, and if all's gone well, you should now be in Rockbox!

Quirks, options, downsides, and glitches

The biggest downsides to using Rockbox, rather than the original iPod firmware, are in the UI and file compatibility, with a few audio glitches as well. Why file compatibility, after all the praise I heaped on Rockbox for being so very liberal in what it accepts? Because while Rockbox plays well with MP3, Vorbis, FLAC, ALAC, WavPack, and a few other audio formats, it doesn't play encrypted AAC files, which iTunes Music Store (iTMS) users have been paying for, nor does it play any version of the Audible format, leaving some audiobook fans out in the cold.

I don't mean to be dismissive of these file-format shortcomings, but since I've never used the iTunes Music Store and don't have any Audible files, they were easy for me to ignore. And if you've spent hundreds of dollars on tracks from iTMS, you might not be overcome with joy just because you can reboot into the Apple firmware whenever you want to listen to them.

Similarly, that Rockbox doesn't work with iTunes Music store is going to be a deal-killer for some, even though, again, you can reboot into Apple's firmware instead. For me, this is no big deal; my music is mostly drawn from the CDs I've bought over the last 18 or so years, and obscurities from the Internet, like old radio shows hosted by rusc.com. I've even joined the 21st century lately by downloading recent radio shows from the BBC and elsewhere.

The Rockbox UI isn't quite as friendly as the original iPod UI, in large part because it's laden with more options than the iPod, and thus more complicated. I was a bit confused at first about how to navigate through the file system. Generally, though, the left arrow (the "previous track" / "rewind" button) takes you to a higher level in the file tree; I kept hitting the "menu" button instead, the usual way up the menu hierarchy in the conventional iPod interface.

Rockbox's everything-optional approach is glorious, complicated overkill compared to Apple's Zen-garden simplicity; check out Rockbox's highly customizable sound meters and five-band parametric equalizer. I like them, but you might not. Other options let the user choose fonts that look much like the stock iPod fonts, or from quite a few others, some of which are downright tiny. I settled on a clean, small and futuristic font called "snap."

When looking at the files and folders, you can choose (options again!) to display them with case sensitive file names, with folders and files mixed together or separately, alphabetically or by size, and so on and so forth. It's not infinitely complicated, but it's certainly more than merely tweakable.

Beside each file name that Rockbox recognizes as one it can deal with is a small icon, such as a musical note for playable audio files. Remember, since this is still a mass storage device, you could have stashed files in any given format -- CAD drawings, OpenOffice.org files, Excel spreadsheets -- and you can only deal with certain things, like plaintext documents and audio files, through Rockbox itself. Those icons are useful when scrolling through a long list of files dumped straight from a folder of scattered documents, but sometimes they're misleading -- my greyscale iPod can't do anything useful with mp4 files, but that note icon appears next to them nonetheless.

There's one more problem worth mentioning: once I had Rockbox playing for a few minutes, I noticed audio dropouts, lasting perhaps half a second, on certain files. Since this was happening on both MP3s and Vorbis files, and these of varying bit rates, I didn't see anything obvious on which to pin the blame. However, I thought this might have to do with too little caching, so (squirreling through menus again), I bumped the anti-skip buffer from 10 to 30 seconds and likewise increased the time to hard drive spin-down time from 10 to 30 seconds -- and since then I've bumped into no more dropouts. I suppose this will cost me some battery life, but I haven't yet given it a battery endurance test.

And, though it's not truly a flaw, I can't help mentioning that Rockbox is a work in progress; there are new builds every day -- with admirably human-readable changelogs. The developers are creating Rockbox for their own enjoyment and use, and can't guarantee the safety of your iPod if you join their experiment. If you can't deal with that risk, it makes sense to avoid it. On the other hand, previous-generation iPods like mine are widely available online; consider getting one of these, or at least back up the contents of your iPod, before playing with Rockbox.

The happy upshot

My iPod is suddenly of much greater use to me. In the several months since I bought it, it's been used mostly as an external hard drive, moving files place to place and as a simple backup for important files. Now I can use it the way Apple intended, or something close to it anyhow, without being tied to Apple's vision of file management, or the short list of supported codecs as shipped in the box.

I haven't mastered all of Rockbox's features yet, but I'd be hard-pressed to judge the UI too harshly, considering that it squeezes in functions like audio bookmarks for all files. The stock iPod software, exclusive of clever hacks, provides bookmarks only for Audible files, which is a pain when listening to long audiobook MP3s. Frankly, there's an embarrassment of riches, and I'm not even certain that I've explored every menu option yet.

Even if you're not planning to make the swap I did, it's instructive to see the potential that your iPod holds that Apple's firmware doesn't exploit -- the PDF manual documenting Rockbox for the iPod (look for it on the daily builds page) is a draft version, but complete enough to give a tour for the timid. It's certainly better than some product manuals I've gotten with retail hardware.

And if you're feeling even slightly adventurous, go ahead and install Rockbox. You can always revert to the Apple way of doing things if you don't like it, and in the meantime you can enjoy the blessings of creativity expressed through reverse engineering. There's no charge for downloading the distribution, but the Rockbox developers do take donations via PayPal; I've been well pleased with the switch, and consider it well worth the few bucks I'm about to send them.

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"Improve" your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 14, 2006 09:31 PM
Yet another story about taking a product that works great, and is enjoyed by over 10 million adults and children (mine included) and beating it with a hammer untill it sort of works under an OS enjoyed by thousands (myself included). Why, I think I hear my 15 year old daughter saying "Daddy, would you install Linux on my computer so I can do that with my ipod?" as I type.

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Re:"Improve" your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Joe Barr on April 14, 2006 09:36 PM

Rockbox is not Linux. It's just free software that happens to be a whole lot better than the stock Apple offering.


Of course, if you prefer to be kept captive and in the dark, there is no law against it.

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Or ... don't.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 14, 2006 10:28 PM
Hey, it's not for everyone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

No one will force you to install Rockbox -- for me, it's a benefit, though, both because now I can listen to more of my own audio files and because I'm not tied to a device-specific interface.

If you're happier with Apple's firmware, you can of course stick with it solely, or you can experiment with Rockbox or other firmware and then reboot into Apple's version whenever you want.

No accounting for taste!

Cheers,

Tim Lord (sorry, not logged in at the moment)

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Re:"Improve" your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 14, 2006 11:56 PM
If the brilliance of your post is any indication, maybe you shouldn't judge a piece of code by asking whether your offspring could use it.

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Re:"Improve" your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 02:16 AM
Rockbox can be installed from Windows, Linux or OSX. It's not Linux based, though some hardware specific code was shared from IpodLinux simply because there's no real point in redeveloping the lowest level drivers.

Unlike IpodLinux Rockbox isn't aimed at being a "geek factor" style thing, but rather as a fully functional replacement for the original firmware. We have a better jpeg viewer. We have more supported audio formats. We have gapless playback. We don't have skips in VBR mp3s where the Minis and Nanos did. Not *everything* is ironed out yet, but then we're also currently only using one of the two cores inside the Ipod so there's clearly a lot of room for improvement when the time comes.

Rockbox is intended for people who bought an Ipod, found out it didn't live up to their expectations, and want it to do more. Or for people who want an MP3 player that does what Rockbox does, as we support a variety of models now, and are willing to give advice/assistance to anyone who undertakes a port for a new player.

So yeah, this isn't really one of those "Beating it with a hammer" situations, because for a lot of people the Ipod is limited, and with Rockbox it's much less so.

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Re:"Improve" your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 03:29 AM
Sure, millions of people use and enjoy the stock iPod (and iTunes) interface. Of course, they don't know any different, so why shouldn't they? The question is, if there was something easily available that fit their needs even better (such as RockBox), would they use it in preference to the default?

I think they would.

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Re:"Improve" your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 05:37 AM
Why do you use an OS enjoyed by thousands when there is a different one enjoyed by billions?

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Re:"Improve" your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 06:29 AM
So basically you read the title and decided to comment without reading the article. Now i've read the article, enjoyed it, thought you were stupid, and am going to grab a beer.

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What about...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 08:11 AM
Lets take your reasoning and apply it to other situations. Then we can see how you will respond to other people's creative efforts and individual preferences. Let's start:

What about... car modders that crop the top or lower the chasis or add a door where their wasn't one.
You respond: "Gee wiz, they took a perfectly good Impala or Civic and changed it! They shouldn't do that!"

What about... remodeling a kitchen to enhance it's beauty, throwing out the perfectly good counter tops for granite.
You respond: "What a waste of time and money. Everyone found the previous counter tops perfectly usable!"

What about... filling in a backyard swimming pool because they'd like a bigger yard and don't swim very much.
You respond: "Hey that pool was great! How dare you think that grass and a garden is better than a pool! Millions of people would love to have a swimming pool in their yard!"

What about... putting pineapple on pizza because it tastes good.
You respond: "Pineapple is not a traditional ingredient on real italian pizza! You should not ruin the historical flavor loved by so many!"

What about... adding an array of solar panels to their house roof even though it will take many years to ROI the cost.
You respond: "That's stupid since electricity is so cheap anyway. They should have waited until solar technology is cheaper. Besides, they're ugly up there!"

What about... writing poetry.
You respond: "Poetry never sells. Romance novels and science fiction are much better to read and understand anyway. Hardly anyone reads poetry."

What about... performing songs for your friends and at the local cafe once in a while.
You respond: "There is plenty of good enough music out there, loved by millions. No reason to risk rejection and not get paid much to boot! Keep it to yourself."

How's that? Nice life you got there with that attitude. I think you can keep it.

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what about video?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 01:17 AM
I've been copying files from tivo to my ipod video (after stripping drm), i don't think rockbox supports that yet.

Also, the standard iPod does play MP3s. 99% of my collection is MP3s, either from emusic.com or my own CD's. They play fine. So does Penn's radio show.

Finally, bumping the cache should extend battery life, not shorten it. the new ipods have more memory in them for buffering up music. When playing from the buffer the hard drive isn't spinning and isn't using the battery.

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Re:what about video?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 02:11 AM
Well, bumping the cache doesn't work how you expect. Rockbox by default uses all free RAM for buffer anyway. What increasing the "anti-skip" buffer does, is make it start refilling that buffer earlier. This way, if it takes longer to refill than expect (slow codecs, or whatever) hopefully an underrun won't occur. So yes, increasing the Anti-Skip buffer *will* actually decrease battery life, because it causes slightly more disk access to occur over long periods of time.

As for the skippinp while playing music, one of the most common causes right now is the Peakmeter shown on many While Playing Screens. The video driver (among other things) still needs work, and it's believe that the very active nature of the peakmeter is what's causing this problem.

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Hey, thanks!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 02:43 AM
Since writing this review, I've hit those skips a few times, and it may be those meters at fault, something I certainly had not considered. (But I've certainly hit fewer skips since upping the skip-protection buffer, and happier.)

Tim Lord

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Re:Hey, thanks!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 03:10 AM
If you use a WPS (while playing screen) that doesn't have the peak meters in it, that helps.

To remove the peak meter from any WPS, simply open the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.wps file in your text editor of choice and remove the line that says "pm" by itself. That solves (or greatly alleviates) a lot of problems.

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Re: what about video?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 130.232.133.162] on October 05, 2007 06:10 AM
If that's true, then please do explain how did I just watch the latest Stargate Atlantis episode from my iPod nano while riding the bus to work? ;)

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Correction

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 02:02 AM
Rockbox has a feature entitled TagCache that allows it to scan the ID3 tags (or metadata for other formats) of all the files on the drive, and create an Artist Album Genre style menu similar to that built into the Ipod default firmware. That being said, this allows you to access the obfuscated files put there by Itunes in a usable manner.

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What about an IAUDIO?

Posted by: aconkling on April 15, 2006 02:09 AM
Sounds like you gave up without looking for alternatives. The <a href="http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/x5" title="cowonamerica.com">IAUDIO X5</a cowonamerica.com> by Cowon gives you most of what you want, except for the AA batteries. (I'm curious: why would you prefer those?) It's not the best thing ever (iPods are incredibly slicker), but plays more formats out of the box, works as an external HD as far as your desktop computer is concerned, and has a USB Host feature (that I've never used) through which you could transfer files/photos from another USB device.

I'll admit, it was a lot cooler before the color iPods came out, but it's still not Apple, and that's a big plus in my book.

Don't get me wrong; I'm all for Rockbox. Coincidentally, I just installed it on my own IAUDIO X5L this week and am quite impressed. It's even hairier than the iPod's software (the port was only begun recently, and by fewer people) but it solves a number of bugs that bothered me that the Cowon folks didn't seem to care about.

Anyway, damage is done; you already bought your iPod. (So many Newsforge stories end up this way... the author makes these decisions or mentions these limitations/problems, and then the comments unearth a trove of alternatives.)

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Re:What about an IAUDIO?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 02:47 AM
That is an interesting player, but I probably would not have gotten it, because it took the whole complex of reasons I listed to swing me to getting an iPod<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

Well, the photo-storage feature was what sold me on the iPod; flash memory prices keep going down, but it was cheaper for me to get the picture-dumping tool from Belkin (and some portion of the price of the iPod being thought of as earmarked for this capability) than to buy as much flash memory as I would have liked to use taking photos over 2 weeks in china.

And as for AA batteries<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... call it a fetish if you must, but I've been burned and annoyed by proprietary batteries many times, and like ones that are standard and cheap (and conveniently rechargeable, with a wall charger, or USB charger -- no funny dock required per device).

timothy

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Re:What about an IAUDIO?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 16, 2006 10:38 AM
And as for AA batteries<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... call it a fetish if you must, but I've been burned and annoyed by proprietary batteries many times, and like ones that are standard and cheap (and conveniently rechargeable, with a wall charger, or USB charger -- no funny dock required per device).
What kind of AA batteries are you talking about!?

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Re: What about an IAUDIO?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 209.155.94.92] on December 18, 2007 02:36 AM
bought an iaudio x5l, and a week later, it just plain 'ol stopped working. I tried contacting the company, no response. Fortunately, the store i bought it from was nice and accepted it back, no problem. I'm currently considering getting an ipod with rockbox.

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The font "snap"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 05:36 AM
I just wanted to point out that this is one of the <a href="http://artwizaleczapka.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">artwiz fonts</a sourceforge.net>. They're very nice fonts.

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Is this legal

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 06:08 AM
Is this legal?
<a href="http://www.freetrialofferguide.com/" title="freetrialofferguide.com">http://www.freetrialofferguide.com/</a freetrialofferguide.com>

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If you're going to hack, at least improve

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 06:14 AM
Hey, I'm all for hacking an interface, but if you're going to hack at least improve it. All you're gaining here is the ability to play a few additional formats...great if your music is already encoded in those formats but not at the sacrifice of the slickest, most user-friendly jukebox interface in the world; one of the main reasons the iPod owns such a large percentage of the MP3 player market. Sure it has its idiosyncrasies, but I hit them 1% of the time while I'm listening to and navigating through my music collection, whereas I'd hit the idiosyncrasies of the Rockbox interface more like 80% of the time.

One more reason why Apple has 85% of the MP3 player market and so many other players struggle to grab a share of the other 15%...nobody understands the importance of the interface.

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Re:If you're going to hack, at least improve

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 06:40 AM
Hate to say it, but then Rockbox isn't for you. Rockbox is about features: Gapless, Crossfade, Replaygain, Crossfeed, bunches of formats, equalizer, searchable database, on the fly playlisting, etc. Rockbox plays audio well. If you're the kind of person who puts an alternative firmware on your MP3 player, the hope is that you value functionality over form.

Rockbox doesn't claim to be better for everyone. It claims to be better AT playing music. Most of the guys working on it continually strive to improve the music features because that's what drove them to create an alternative firwmare in the first place. If they hadn't wanted better playback, they would've stuck with the Apple software (which by the way doesn't play some of my LAME encoded MP3s properly, a real frustration) or the original firmware on whatever device they had. Since it's open source, anybody who likes the features but feels the interface is lacking is free to make an attempt to contribute, but since none of the designers want that, and none of the people who seem to care too much about interface seem to want the extra features badly, both sides can simply say "You go on doing what you're doing" and go your separate ways.

Since Rockbox isn't trying to make a profit, they don't have to pander to users who think it should look better, because they can comfortably say "If you don't like it, don't use it. If you do like it but feel it's lacking, we welcome all the help we can get."

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Re:If you're going to hack, at least improve

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 06:45 AM
Oh, and just as a note, it's not an interface hack. Rockbox is 100% from-scratch software, and contains no parts of Apple's code. So it's not by any means an "interface hack".

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Re:If you're going to hack, at least improve

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 06:56 AM
The point is, this "rockbox" is not from Apple, so it sucks by definition. Think Different. Think Better. Think Apple.

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Apple Koolaid!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 07:50 AM
Drink it! Be one of us! A closed mind is so cool!

Troll much?

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Re:If you're going to hack, at least improve

Posted by: pennystinker on April 15, 2006 09:58 PM
The RockBox (and iPodLinux) folks are my heros! Reverse engineer against every effort to stop them, then build working replacements! I am in awe.

But if you are looking for an "interface hack" leave the RockBox folks out of it: they are trying to build something they tihnk is better. How about pester Apple to open source their firmware so you can actually do what your title suggests: "hack" their interface. Just don't hold your breath!

RockBox -- HACK ON!

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Re:If you're going to hack, at least improve

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 10:03 PM
Hmmm. Rockbox supports reading off file / directory names audibly when I browse through the directory tree. Considering that the vast majority of my use is within the car, being able to not take my eyes off the road IS an interface improvement. Does the iPod default software do that for me?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... nope.

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Re:If you're going to hack, at least improve

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2006 03:23 AM
Not having to use that grotty databasey can-only-easily-move-music-in-one-direction iTunes IS an interface improvement. Contrary to popular opinion, not everything Apple touches is Perfectly Good And Beyond Reproach. The few times I've interacted with iPods and iTunes (helping others...hmmm), I found it to be a decided PITA and not the Intuitive Nirvana Apple fanbois tell me it is.

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iPod Bookmark support

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 15, 2006 07:44 AM
The stock iPod does in fact support bookmarks for all formats MP3, AAC, Audiobooks, etc. That's why I purchased one in the first place because other MP3 players don't offer this.

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Re:iPod Bookmark support

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2006 09:28 PM
I had an ipod video, it doesn't support bookmarking unless it's a file that you bought from Audible. If I have a CD audiobook, ripped it, it won't be bookmarkable.

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Does RockBox "improve" the iPod? YES!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2006 05:33 AM
If RockBox added ONLY the capability to play audio files encoded in the OGG format, that alone is sufficient improvement!! Think of it: I can now fill my 60GB iPod (and play them back with same said iPod) with audio files encoded in a format that is free of legal encumbrances, quite unlike the patent-encumbered MP3 format. Wonderful!

All of the other neat features that the RockBox developers have added are just gravy! One of my favorites is the ability to "skin" the playback display. By the way, RockBox gives MORE information about the present audio file than does the standard iPod interface. YES, the RockBox developers really DO understand the importance of the user interface.

As for complexity of installation, I found it extremely straightforward and intuitive (perhaps I should qualify this statement with the fact that I have been using Linux for over 7 years, the last 5 years as my ONLY operating system).

Just my 2cents worth. Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing!

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Re: Does RockBox "improve" the iPod? YES!

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 70.185.160.3] on August 20, 2007 12:14 AM
If only they got video on 5/5.5G iPods and maybe even 1g Nanos and 2g Nanos (at least when they start working), Rockbox would rule. Unfortunately, I only own a 2nd gen Nano at the moment. :(

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Get an iRiver

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2006 09:23 PM
They read ogg files, are great, have 40GB of HDD hook up to your computer like an external drive via USB. Have a radio in-built, a microphone, and can be a USB host to transfer images from your camera to your iRiver without needing a computer to do that.

www.iriver.com

FM.

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Re:Get an iRiver

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 24, 2006 11:25 AM
also, iRivers (the h1X0 and h3X0 series) support Rockbox too, and it's far easier to install on them!

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Re(1):Get an iRiver

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 90.194.12.137] on September 08, 2007 12:06 PM
I have an iRiver H140 and I've not come across a better MP3 player yet. However, iRiver (to my knowledge) have or are phasing out their H series for the more simplistic iPod Nano rivals. It saddens me to think that the iPod is killing off better competition - the only iRiver-like player I know currently that supports OGG et al and has a drag-and-drop format rather than a bloated, proprietary management system is the Cowon iAudio X series. If these players do eventually die out (hopefully not), then Rockbox on an iPod may be the only way to get a crap-free and feature-filled MP3 player in future.

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apple fanboys are retarded.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 07, 2006 10:38 PM
RockBox is far better than any player's default OS.
You retards just can't see that because you are apple humping fanboys.
Thanks apple for making all of your dumbed down computers called macs so these nob head retards can post on the net and lie and talk BS to everyone they meet.

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Re: apple fanboys are retarded.

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 70.185.160.3] on August 20, 2007 12:11 AM
I think the Mac is great. It can be simple, or it can be sophisticated. And it has a powerful UNIX backend under that beautiful Aqua UI.

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Does Rockbox offer variable speed with similar pitch?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 192.168.1.10] on August 20, 2007 11:09 PM
I'm a musician and want to be able to slow down songs (while retaining pitch) on my ipod. Someone recommended I check out Rockbox as it appears to be a much more advanced system for the ipod. Any ideas if this feature exists?

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Re: Does Rockbox offer variable speed with similar pitch?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 41.245.119.144] on September 08, 2007 05:44 PM
While you can play tracks at variable speeds (faster/slower), it effects the pitch

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Improve your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 128.208.86.77] on November 05, 2007 09:13 PM
no reason to have play down apple
sure their ipods, to me, are complete trash and most of their stuff is overpriced
but ill stand behind their laptops and towers and osx
and if i ever feel like going back into geek mode; i can always boot into my xp or linux partition

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Improve your iPod with Rockbox

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.116.156.96] on December 09, 2007 01:36 AM
It doesn't have MP4, it sucks.

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