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openSUSE 10.2: the best Linux desktop yet?

By Joe Barr on December 11, 2006 (8:00:00 AM)

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First impressions are important, and openSUSE 10.2 made a strong enough impression with me that I may be making openSUSE 10.2 my new desktop OS. I installed openSUSE 10.2 RC1 soon after its release in late November, and I've been kicking the tires on the final release since it was made public last Thursday. Here's my report.

Going for the gold

I didn't have any problems downloading, burning, and installing the 5 CD set for RC1, but getting the final release was a different story. I ran into a number of problems getting a viable ISO image from the openSUSE mirrors. Hopefully, all the problems I ran into were the result of the pushing, shoving, and crowding at the download sites on release day.

Not long after openSUSE 10.2 appeared in public at openSUSE.org and its mirrors, I started an HTTP download. I couldn't believe how fast it was going, but with a transfer rate of about 580KB/sec, I had the entire DVD in about two hours. Unfortunately, the image was corrupt, so I downloaded it a second time.

I'm not sure what mirror I got the first image from, but I noticed cache.novell.com was involved on the second attempt. The second download was not as fast as the first, but it was still a good speed, holding above 400KB/sec for the most part. But the second download was bad, too.

The gurus on the #suse channel on irc.freenode.net -- an excellent source of information about openSUSE -- told me that if I used BitTorrent I would be assured of getting a good image, so I started a third download using BitTorrent. But the speed was so slow that the projected download time would exceed 24 hours. I asked on the channel for a better way, and one kind soul provided the URL of a site in Belgium where I could grab RC1/GM (Gold master) delta ISOs. Delta ISOs allow you to download a small file to apply against previous ISO images to bring the ISOs up to date, instead of downloading the entire remastered ISO.

I reinstalled RC1, used the applydelta package to create new ISO images from the RC1 and delta ISOs, and burned CDs from the resulting ISOs. All went well from that point on, and about half an hour later, I was running the release version of openSUSE 10.2.

My test machine is an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ CPU, 1GB of RAM, an MSI K8 mainboard with onboard Ethernet and audio. It has a Logitech USB mouse, an Nvidia GE Force 6600 PCI-E video card, ViewSonic V17B display, and a Linksys WMP54G wireless PCI card. In addition to a single 160GB Maxtor hard drive, it has a Sony CD/DVD ROM drive.

Installation from the five CD set was a breeze. The biggest thing I found to complain about during the install was that the CD tray did not automatically eject as the installer moved from one CD to the next. And I was pleasantly surprised -- and relieved -- when the automated online updater ran without a hitch at the end of the install process.

When the install was complete, I found everything was working except for the Linksys wireless card. My understanding is the driver (rt61pci) for the card was broken by recent changes to the kernel. In any case, it's not just an openSUSE issue, it doesn't work on Ubuntu Edgy either, although it did work on Dapper.

In a break from tradition, I chose the KDE desktop environment instead of GNOME. As usual, openSUSE 10.2 not only offers you a choice, but makes it easy to mix and match your favorite apps from either environment.

My first reaction after the install was "What a beautiful desktop OS this is." But remembering the update woes that plagued openSUSE 10.1, I wondered if its beauty was only skin deep.

What you get out of the box

OpenSUSE 10.2 debuts with Kernel version 2.6.18.2-34, KDE 3.5.5 "Release 45," and X.org 7.2-26, along with tons of applications. Here's a short list of the default offerings from the Apps menu:

  • KMail 1.9.5
  • FireFox 2.0
  • Konversation 1.0.1
  • OpenOffice 2.0
  • Kaffeine (video player) 0.8.3
  • The Gimp 2.2.13
  • K3b 0.12.17

Getting started

openSUSE 10.2 desktop
Click to enlarge
My normal course of action is to immediately replace the default offerings of whatever distro I am trying or reviewing with my standard apps: Xchat2, Gaim, Evolution, gedit, and so on. This time around, I decided to try the default offerings, especially since I don't often use the KDE environment. I thought I would give them a look, and then punt them in favor of my regular choices. For the most part, I was surprised by how much I liked the defaults.

It took me a couple of tries to get used to the redesigned openSUSE KDE start menu for running apps, doing configuration chores, and shutting down. Instead of the familiar menu tree I'm used to seeing, when I click on the SUSE icon an interactive start menu appears. As your cursor moves over the various sections (Favorites|History|Computer|Apps|Leave), the screen above them changes to display the drill-down options for that section.

Hovering over Computer, as seen here, allows me to choose between Yast2 and Sysinfo. while if the cursor is over the History section, shown here, I can select one of the apps I've run recently.

Once you get the hang of it, it's easy, but while I was still fumbling my way around I would always manage to move the cursor over an adjacent section and thus lose the options that I had wanted before I could click them.

Chat, IM, and Games

I need IRC and IM for work. For IRC, I tried Konversation, KDE's native IRC client, for the first time during this review, and it is much better than I expected. I don't know its ins and outs as well as I do XChat's, but I never felt lost or slighted in functionality. Adding server/channel destinations, joining, parting, beeping on nick, it was all there, and more.

Instead of using gedit as my editor, I went with the default offering of Kate. Just as with Konversation, I found it to be a competent replacement, though I have to admit I miss the built in word count function gedit offers. I still prefer Gaim to Kopete for IM, but it is certainly usable.

My only real disappointment with the defaults came -- unfortunately -- in a mission-critical area: KDE's Mahjong game is butt-ugly. Luckily, I turned this shortcoming into an opportunity to check both openSUSE's KDE/GNOME compatibility and its software update functionality. Yast2 installed the GNOME Games package quickly, and there was my favorite Mahjongg with its gorgeous tiles.

Printing and file sharing

I have a HP6840 network printer on my LAN, and setting it up for use was a trivial task. I started Yast2, selected Hardware, Printer, and then followed the menus to install a network printer, entering the IP address of the printer, selecting make and model from drop down menus, and testing the connection and printing before clicking finish.

Then I decided to set up file sharing. Normally, I simply use SSH and secure copy (scp) to look around and/or copy files from one machine on the LAN to another, but the Network Folder option in openSUSE 10.2 looked inviting, so I decided to give it a try. I'm glad I did.

In less than a minute, I had an icon on my openSUSE 10.2 desktop representing my home directory on my primary desktop box. Simply clicking the icon gives me a Konqueror file browser with complete access to whatever I need in the directory on the distant machine. I dragged and dropped the text for this review, for example, from Konqueror to the desktop, and continued writing it using Kate on the openSUSE box. A very nice feature that makes my LAN a more productive place to be.

Digital cameras

I've used two cameras with digiKam 0.8.2, the default photo management tool which not only imports the images but stores and displays them as well. It handled both the Kodak EasyShare Z740 and Canon Powershot A90 without a hitch, identifying both as soon as they were plugged in to a USB port.

Xgl and Compiz

Getting Xgl and Compiz installed and enabled was, for the most part, straightforward. Before I could make use of those packages, though, I needed to install the proprietary Nvidia driver. I took the easy way to get that driver installed and configured, as documented on the openSUSE site.

The helpful bot (suseHELP) on IRC didn't help a lot when it came to getting XGL and Compiz working, though. The documentation has not been updated for 10.2 as yet, at least for the KDE environment. Finally, I decided to install the Gnome version of the Compiz package (package name gnome-compiz) to see if it included the tools referenced in the docs. It did, and the mystical Desktop Effects as well.

Once I had all the necessary parts in place, it was a snap to get back to the land of quivering windows and 3-D cube. Compiz may not have all the bells and whistles that the Beryl Project does, but it does have the advantage of being stable. We recently reviewed the Beryl-Project and the reasons for its split from Compiz. While Beryl brings you burning windows, transpant cube, snowflakes, and a lot of other glitter, it is not a stable environment. Compiz delivers much of the bling, and is stable. The choice is yours.

Playing video

Out of the box, openSUSE doesn't support proprietary video codecs or encrypted DVDs. I added an unofficial repository or two in order to install MPlayer in all its glory so that I could watch Revolution OS from the Netflix DVD. By the way, you can find a list of third-party repos for openSUSE here.

To make a long story short, I have not yet been successful in playing the movie nor in watching streaming video with MPlayer. I'm still hunting for the mplayerplug-in package suitable for openSUSE 10.2. But I'm optimistic that both problems will be straightened out soon.

I've been told that if I got the Smart Package Manager, I could find such packages very easily, so that's another thing I'll be investigating in the next few days, though I have to admit that mixing not only a greater number of repositories but package managers does not sound that appealing.

Conclusion

Online updates are my only source of concern with openSUSE. Updates are slow at times, particularly during installation, and it seems to me that the repositories are not as reliable as they should be. Add to that the mysterious Update Error Message I found on the screen this morning, and it makes me think twice about replacing my Ubuntu Edgy production desktop with openSUSE 10.2. I think I'll give it another week or two before making that decision.

If your choice of distribution is driven by philosophy, religion, or politics rather than functionality, you might pass on openSUSE regardless of how good it is. That's a shame, too, because this is probably the best Linux desktop distribution I've ever seen: it's easy to install, look at, and to use. And if you have a mixed environment at home or work where it's necessary to peacefully coexist with Windows machines, it has no peer among leading Linux distros.

As for me, and I have precious little or no use at all for Windows, I'm seriously considering changing to openSUSE 10.2 on my primary desktop.

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openSUSE

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 04:17 PM
Joe Barr may think openSUSE is great - to the extent of considering it as his primary desktop - but I have removed all traces of openSUSE from my environments. There will always be a large asterisk beside any story written by Joe Barr from now on.

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Re:openSUSE

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 04:32 PM
Why?

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Re:openSUSE

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 05:50 PM
Because?

<a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/211057/" title="lwn.net">http://lwn.net/Articles/211057/</a lwn.net>

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openHATE

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 09:38 PM
And the Novell <a href="http://software.newsforge.com/software/06/12/01/0559204.shtml?tid=78&tid=74" title="newsforge.com">"hate"</a newsforge.com> continues <a href="http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/28/221219&tid=138&tid=2" title="newsforge.com">on</a newsforge.com> and <a href="http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/25/0210238&tid=138&tid=150" title="newsforge.com">on</a newsforge.com>. If we're lucky*, the community will at least look like a difficult institution businesses and individuals shouldn't deal with.

*Don't forget the GPLv3 brooha.

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Re:openSUSE

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 10:51 PM
Pathetic. Now who is spreading FUD? If you don't like it move on and keep your @#$%@ comments to yourself. If people in the FLOSS community were really concerned about not supporting distributions that crossed the business line then Debian would be in first place on Distrowatch with a lead that left everyone with 1% to divide...

Get over it. Patents will never go away. and they shouldn't... only the granting of patents to companies that extort from others where prior art / effort exists.

The patent system does need to be fixed, but if YOU ever wanted to protect your work (wether for yourself or others) you would need to use the patent system. The idealist here do not understand that the most that can occur is a compromise, not a defeat. Get real...

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Re:openSUSE

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 11:41 PM
Thank you! No doubt, like myself, the parent poster is a person that uses Linux for REAL work and is not some jr.-hacker want-to-be that wants Linux to be free because his allowance can't afford him a new copy every 6 months.

Debian should be on top anyway, but OpenSuSE is still a wonderful OS!

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Re:openSUSE

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 06:58 AM
While possibly not the best review article I have ever read, I also feel that Novell has done a good job of creating a very user-friendly distribution. OpenSuse is both easy to use, especially with KDE, but, if you can accustom yourself to it, YAST2 is a very powerful admin tool. While the Novell/Microsoft deal is disliked by FOSS contributors and enthusiasts the OS itself is well received by its users. In order to compete with Microsoft's hold on the market with desktop users "Pretty" and "Easy" are essential. Yes Ubuntu does a good job too and so do other distro's but the statement that OpenSuse is a clean and user-friendly distro is true regardless.

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Kudos to SuSE Developers

Posted by: pwzhang on December 13, 2006 05:46 AM
This is the first Linux distro that works for me on EVERYTHING. I have installed SuSE 10.2 DVD on my Athlon desktop and a Turion64 notebook, & everything just works magically--the network cards, wireless, updates, scanner, printer, suspends, whathaveyou. Everything simply works. What a great feeling!

On the multimedia side, this is the first distro that I am able to use totem to do anything (after installing the totem-browser-plug package from the Packman repository--thanks to the Jem Report).

I have been trying to use Linux desktops for over 10 years. I am finally seeing the light.

My sincere thanks to Novell management, SuSE developers and the associated user communities for a great job!!!

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Wireless support

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 10:56 AM
I tried to install this distribution on my notebook with a Netgear wireless card. I was expecting WPA2 to be supported.

Disappointment was the order of the day.

While the distrib saw my PCMCIA wireless card at a hardware level (Atheros), none of the various configuration screens had any idea that I had wireless capabilty in my notebook.

So I still wait for a Linux distribution that has the ability and simplicity of wireless configuration that approaches that of Windows.

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Re:Wireless support

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 12:22 PM
Unfortunately most of the card manufacturers don't open source their drivers. I have had great luck with Madwifi for my linksys card, though there was a definite learning curve. There is also the NDISWrapper, though I have never personally used it.

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This site is turning into a Novell lovefest, eh?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 14, 2006 04:49 AM
It seems lately like there's more than average "Yea Novell! Rah-rah-rah" type crap recently. If you don't see anything wrong with Novell's recent dealings with Microsoft, I'd wager that you will soon.

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This site is "My Enemy!"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 15, 2006 12:12 PM
"If you don't see anything wrong with Novell's recent dealings with Microsoft, I'd wager that you will soon. "

Translation: If you don't agree with me? Then you must be the enemy. Die Infidel!

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My experience

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 08:01 AM
Joe, you should really check out Mandriva 2007.

I did after having the same frustrations you are having with OpenSuse 10.2. Opensuse is very good, but has some very annying quirks in the package management department.

I also don't understand why the cripple Kaffeine and Amarok.

There are no legal requirements to do this as kaffeine and Amarok on their own do not do anything without the required plug-ins. Just to be perfectly clear, we are not asking Novell to enable MP3 or DVD playback. What we are asking Novell to do is to leave these programs alone so that if a user installs the required codecs and plugins, these applications can play MP3s or DVDs. Currently, the Novell version needs to be uninstalled and substituted with one downloaded from the pacman repository in what for most new users is a less than intuitive process.

I also keep having problems with evolution forgetting my passwords and a hundred other issues I never had with Ubuntu or now with Mandriva 2007, which I have found to be the best of the lot. For what is worth, I stopped using Mandriva a while back only to rediscover how good this current version is.

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Re:My experience

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 09:11 AM
There is NO way a distro can be the best if it can not play dvd movies out of the box. I would think
that the author of this review has never used
PCLinuxOS,which is the BEST linux distro at this
point in time.

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Re:My experience

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 08:21 PM
I can't believe anyone is still going to use opensuse now that they are in violation of the GPL with their MS agreement. Maybe people don't understand how bad suse and opensuse are for linux and the open source movement. Read up on the GPL and understand why nobody should be using opensuse.

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Re:My experience

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 08:57 PM
This kind of scare mongering is worse for Linux and the open source movement than any deal two companies can make!

Novell or the guys over at the openSuse project have in no way violated the GPL. The deal is simply to help provide better support for there respective clients.

Nor have Novell admitted that pieces of Linux violate M$ patents.

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Re:My experience

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 09:36 PM
Blah blah blah, you said he said they said she said, PPFFTTTT. Bottomline, Samba and quiet a few other packages Will go to GPL V3. At that time Novell will have several choices. The only choice that doesn't likely lead to their no longer being a Linux company is for them to fix the deal to undo the damage they have done or preferably to scratch the deal completely.

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Re:My experience

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 10:28 PM
This kind of scare mongering is worse for Linux and the open source movement than any deal two companies can make!

Novell or the guys over at the openSuse project have in no way violated the GPL. The deal is simply to help provide better support for there respective clients.

Nor have Novell admitted that pieces of Linux violate M$ patents.


You're the same person that keeps posting this nonsense! You say it will be bad for us, you say it will divide us, but you haven't realised that its actually reinforced our perceptions in regards to Microsoft. We are all unified in this respect.

Let's face it, Novell is siding with Microsoft, because they need the money. (It doesn't take a genius to figure that out). Their PR isn't gonna help them.

Just look at the recent approval of OpenXML in regards to Ecma? Guess which company, starting with the letter "N", backed Microsoft's OpenXML?

And guess who is against it? IBM.

Anyone with half a brain knows Novell is a lost cause to the open-community. They have become Microsoft's lackey. Once you do these kinds of deals that directly hurt open-source, you've signed your own death warrant. (in the community's view, you've turned your back on them and have signed a deal with the Devil for your soul...And someday, he'll be back to collect!)

Its one thing to make money from open-source, its another to sign deals that will hurt it.

You have to be utterly clueless or blind to think Microsoft is gonna play nice with open-source. When the opportunity to hurt open-source comes, they will seize it. Steve Ballmer's comments in regards to Linux infringing on MS patents has clearly confirmed this. (Even though Novell tried to distance themselves from Ballmer's comments).

I gave up on OpenSUSE when ver 10.1 hit the servers. And the deal with MS simply reinforced that I should stay away from them and their solutions.

I'm sticking to companies, organisations, and volunteers who actually respect open-source itself. Not hitch a ride from it.

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It's Your opinion...

Posted by: Administrator on December 14, 2006 08:59 PM
Please do not make your opinion the whole community opinion. IBM's happy with the Novell-MS deal, as other's are also, since it benefits (potention) customers, who in the fist place asked for such an agreement. These specific customers are willing to migrate to Linux, so that benefits the community in the first place. Speading just FUD does not bring anyone anything. So what's the problem with OpenXML in Ecma, it does not make it a standard. ODF is also Ecma. IBM, Novell an others are also behind ODF, but also IBM has money in Novell to futher devel the Linux stragegy. OpenXML support is needed for customers migrating to a Linux desktop environment. So, in that way it benefits the community. Anyway, your not an OpenSUSE user so why do you care? Please may I remind you OpenSUSE is GPL and in my opnion a damn good Free disto.

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Re:My experience

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 18, 2006 05:11 AM
You don't need to use the Amarok from _Guru_ (PackMan doesn't packages Amarok) to play MP3s!!!! The only difference between the Guru and "official" version is that the official version doesn't supports de MP4 container... and yes, is because there are legal problems with MP4.

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ALso

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 08:01 AM

It is also protected from Microsoft Lawsuits!



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Re:ALso

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 09:38 PM
No it is not. End users of commercial product only..

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Deliberately crippled.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 08:07 AM
"Unfortunately, the image was corrupt, so I downloaded it a second time.... But the second download was bad, too."

This is due to openSUSE.org deliberately stuffing things up.

They have either given you deliberately incorrect md5 sums, or their images have been tampered with.

I downloaded openSUSE 10.1 and concluded that the disks were deliberately crippled.

The images would randomly stop installing and while they installed, were unbearably slow.

The DVD reader preformed fine with all other software, so I guess that someone deliberately crippled a DVD/CD driver (or ACPI or even the basis SVGA driver).

I never installed openSUSE 10.1 on either of my boxes (same problems, different boxes).

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Re:Deliberately crippled.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 01:14 PM
Really? I guess me downloading it today and getting a perfect copy the first time means that I know the secret handshake or something.

Or, perhaps you're misusing the word "deliberately".

Personally, I've had a long-standing complaint with Firefox 1.x and 1.5.x doing a horrendous job with very large downloads. I use wget, or torrent instead, and don't have these problems.

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Never have problems downloading

Posted by: Administrator on December 14, 2006 09:03 PM
I use always a mirror, which in most cases is much faster, and never have problems downloading my ISO's. Why would the deliberately cripple it? That just makes no sense at all...

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The only price

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 08:12 AM
is your soul.

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Re:The only price

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 23, 2006 07:31 PM
Trolls don't have souls.

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MPLayer 4 encrypted (and out of region) movies

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 08:53 AM
"To make a long story short, I have not yet been successful in playing the movie nor in watching streaming video with MPlayer."

The MPLayer compilation guide at

<a href="http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/" title="domaindlx.com">http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/</a domaindlx.com>

compiles an MPlayer that enables you to watch encrypted (and out of region) movies and streaming video.

It also compiles MEncoder if you which to encode/recode any videos/movies you own.

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Confusing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 10:25 AM
This review did not make me want to switch to openSUSE, and I wonder why the author is considering switching to it from Ubuntu -- which he already uses and which does not have the problems he points out. Why does he think that "this is probably the best Linux desktop distribution" if it keeps giving mysterious errors and cannot play any movies?

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Re:Confusing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 09:51 PM
I've hated SuSe for years, but after trying SLED and openSuSE 10.1 I have to give a big hand to the developers. I spent a long time hopping between distros trying to find one that just worked, and by worked I mean it did more than detect my hardware<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).

So sure openSuSE doesn't come with the best multimedia support out of the box, it takes a couple of minutes to get all of this up and running. It takes longer to install PowerDVD in Windows if you have the disk on hand!

Now I used Ubuntu for over 6 months and to be fair the only thing I really think it has going for it is the amazingly easy package management, which it borrows from Debian. There's nothing really spectacular about the distro and I've found that it can be quite unstable<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(.

Mark.

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Re:Confusing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 10:46 PM
It's strange. I've seen a few people who advocate some other distribution make claims that Ubuntu is unstable. The reason I say strange, is that I've experienced no such stability problems. And since I'm using an ATI card and running Beryl I would expect it to be unstable. But it isn't.

I always used to be a KDE advocate. Until I installed dapper (and upgraded to Edgy). Now I use Gnome and like it. At least the Ubuntu version.

I've tried SuSE (SUSE) over the years up to 10.1 and have never been satisfied with it on my desktop.

Well, everyone to his/her own.

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SuSE 10.2

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 03:55 PM
I just finished downloading 10.2 using ktorrent on my Suse 10.1 workstation and am about to burn it off on DVD. I'm anxiously looking forward to this release. I've been in IT support for going on ten years now, supporting everything from windows 3.11 to RC candidates of vista and everything from DG/UX and SCO to SuSE 10 and RHEL AS-4 running on everything from 486's to Suns new opteron based X series servers. I am primarily UNIX and Linux support for my company and I have been following Suse since release 10.0 very closely, and have been nothing but impressed with each subsequent release. The big killer for me in completely abandoning windows at home has been directly correlated with gaming. Using Cedega and the 8.31.5 fglrx driver release, I am running World of Warcraft on a home built PC running an ATi X800-XT with 256 MB of ram and averaging 28-30FPS @1280x1024 and 22-24 in congested areas. There is still room for improvement, but this is something previously unthinkable with an ATi card in Linux. I do not get quite the performance from Fedora as I do 10.1.

I'm also running 10.1 on a T60 (non p model) with an ATi Mobility x1300 and the wireless capabilities are great! I anxiously await to see what benefits 10.2 will bring to this laptop model.

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Joe Barr

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 06:49 PM
It is "GeForce" not "GE Force".
Maxtor HDD creeps me out. I heard a lot about them crashing.
Sony CD/DVD-ROM? Be sure there is no rootkit in the firmware.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

X.org 7.2-26, whats that? I thought latest was 7.1

It is "Firefox" not "FireFox".
It is "The GIMP" not "The Gimp".

You mention that gaming is the most mission-critical. It is not, and for those for who it is, Mahjongg is not what they're looking for and it is not going to impress them.

As for video, you might want to try out VLC, it seems to be able to play pretty much anything.

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Re:Joe Barr

Posted by: Joe Barr on December 12, 2006 10:01 PM
Thanks for those corrections.


"You mention that gaming is the most mission-critical. It is not, and for those for who it is, Mahjongg is not what they're looking for and it is not going to impress them."


Sorry, I may have used too technical a term for you. "Mission critical" is a function of the person and the machine, not something defined by drive-by commentators. What is mission critical for me may not be for you, and so on.


Of course, it is also possible my attempt at humor fell a little bit flat.

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No

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 09:23 PM
No

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Compiz is more stable?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 12, 2006 11:35 PM
What kind of bullshit is that? Compiz is more stable than Beryl? Nonsense!

How the hell did this author get his article up on this website?

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Re:Compiz is more stable?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 03:07 PM
Sadly Joe is right... beryl very much suffers from the "lets put as much bling bling without worrying too much about stability just yet". Of course, when you're writing bling bling software in the first place, maybe that's not so bad after all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

Regardless, I switched back to compiz -- I used to use quinnstorm's builds of compiz prior to the fork, but beryl I just found way too slow/unstable (*crashes*) compared to compiz. I have some friends that did the same, while others kept to beryl (ie. worked great for them). Use it if it works, use compiz otherwise.

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Re:Compiz is more stable?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 14, 2006 02:14 AM
Compiz IS more stable then Beryl, I'm running Compiz on Gentoo all the time. And time to time I try newer Beryl, but it's still much slower and crashing sometimes...
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Re:Compiz is more stable?

Posted by: Joe Barr on December 12, 2006 11:56 PM

The author has been running Beryl on Ubuntu Edsy svn for a month now, that's how. Which crashes, artifacts, slowdowns, bugs, or problems would you like to talk about first?


Beryl churns out cool stuff, more of it and faster, than Compiz, which it forked. It also crashes a lot.


That's life, my friend, you can't have it both ways.

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Umm.. MS Linux! - Bye Bye Suse

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 12:54 AM
Suse is such a has-been to me now. Who are they again? Follow the path of SCO with your little MS agreement. Go patent 0's and 1's while you are at it. =P

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Re:Umm.. MS Linux! - Bye Bye Suse

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 02:45 AM
Amen. I'm not coming anywhere near AnythingSUSE at this point. My company can't risk a BSA lawsuit five years from now.

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Re:Umm.. MS Linux! - Bye Bye Suse

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 03:19 AM
Correct. Avoid Novell and Suse like the plague. Go Redhat. Go Ubuntu. Go anywhere but Redmond.

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Redhat is just a different enemy of Linux.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 12:47 PM
"Avoid Novell and Suse like the plague. Go Redhat. Go Ubuntu."

Redhat is just a different enemy of Linux.

Redhat deliberately cripples Linux (eg MP3's NTFS and DVD stuff).

So, how is Redhat a friend of Linux.

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There's no answer since one is just speading FUD

Posted by: Administrator on December 14, 2006 09:15 PM
There's no answer since one is just speading FUD.

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Wireless Tools

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 03:22 AM
I'm no linux guru so dealing with an undiscovered wireless NIC is a pain with SuSE. Knoppix LiveCD works flawlessly/idiot-proofly with all three of my laptop wireless NICs that I use. SuSE 10.1 did not deal with any of them!!

There needs to be a utility created to make this as easy as Windows XP before I make the SuSE switch. I cried for this after SuSE 9... and it looks like I'll have to wait until SuSE 11 at least.

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Re:Wireless Tools

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 07:49 AM
This illustrates a point.

WHY is it that the abilities of ONE distro are not IMMEDIATELY translated to others?

The point of OSS is to BUILD ON THE CAPABILITIES OF OTHERS!

The Linux community needs to drop this goddamn "Not Invented Here" syndrome and get with the program.

Why, for example, is not every distro using the PPPoE client that Knoppix uses, which has NEVER failed to detect and configure my DSL connection. Whereas practically every other distro has strained to enable DSL at all or forced me to go through a half dozen configuration screens to do what one simple wizard does.

Get a clue, guys!

And don't tell me it's because you use different library versions, or different compilers, or crap like that. If it can be done in one distro, it can be done in all of them.

If you're only interested in "differentiating" your distro from everyone else, do it with your default screen background and your impressive reliability and your massive testing of the obvious rather than trying to cram 3D eye candy just to compete with Apple and Vista.

Yesterday on my Kubuntu, the DCOPServer just decided to die on me. Googling showed this has been an issue for KDE FOR FIVE YEARS! Gimme a break!

Yesterday I had to REBOOT my Linux machine THREE TIMES! This is like WINDOWS! This is NOT why I switched to Linux!

Fix this crap or get out of the distro business!

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Living on their own island

Posted by: Administrator on December 14, 2006 09:28 PM
Well, I think most of them want to reinvent the wheel in a better way. Exacly the point you make, the wood of distributions, holds business from moving to a Linux desktop for usage or application development. Altough there's some very usable OS desktops out there, there's just no way to greate one package that just run's on all without modification. Altough some good projects, like the Portland project, are trying to make common libraries for distributions to use, to make the live of an indipendant software or hardware vendor easier. Speakding FUD and religious wars between distributions in general does NOT help the community and the adoption of Desktop Linux.

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Re:Wireless Tools

Posted by: Administrator on December 13, 2006 06:47 AM
I would agree with that. It's a pain. I know Linux but I hate doing the simple stuff like WiFi. That should just work and discover networks like MacOSX and nay I say Windows.Get that fixed and I think that would be a nice thing to have and make my laptop easier to use when I am on the road with it.

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Re:Why I'm a Former Suse User - so am I, and more

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 05:03 AM
I too dropped suse recently....I have found my new home with gentoo, and frankly, I don't know why I didn't start out with gentoo. It does what I want it to...no messing around, you know?

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what?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 05:57 AM
So, are you being paid by Novell or what? You might have been able to make the claim that this is the best linux desktop if you had been reviewing a pre-10.0 version, but right now suse is stuck in a hole, and doesn't really seem to be trying to get out. There are tons of small bugs all over the place. It almost feels like Novell doesn't care about openSUSE, so they are treating it as a perpetual beta.

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Do other distro's not have bugs?

Posted by: Administrator on December 14, 2006 09:52 PM
Think it is the opinion of the creator of the article. They may have an opinion on it, or not? Why else would the title end with a question mark? Think they leave it to the reader or better the tester of the distro. But do other distro's not have any bugs? Get real! And what makes you thinks Novell does not care about OpenSUSE? Why would they spend all that man-hour creating it -with- the community? Do you honestly think that's for Free? But anyway, for you information Novell's SLED (desktop) and SLES (server) rely on OpenSUSE, so without OpenSUSE there's no SLES and SLED at all. As Novell says it, it's a (free) desktop to (not free) datacenter solution. Of course if you want state of the art and the latest and greatest you need to put up with some flaw's in the code. That's no different when using the latest and greatest from Ubunu or Fedora. Is you want stability you really need go for, or buy, a supported solution like Ubuntu Long Term Support, Redhat Enterprise Desktop, Novell's SLED or others. Open Source is free as in Freedom, not always for Free.

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Yagotta B. Kidding IS A Nutcase

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 06:48 AM
The HTTP port (80) we are talking about, times out,... always has (well, for a year or so),... so unless the "problem" has been fixed recently, HTTP still does not connect.

This type of crap happens all the time in the Linux world,... an "accidental" mistake, that just happens to be deliberate.

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Microsoft has bought out Novell

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 06:55 AM
In a round about way, Microsoft has bought out Novell, who bought out SuSE, and are going to strangle it slowly.

Corel Linux -- DEAD
SuSE Linux -- DYING
Red Hat Linux -- Been caught crippling its own product for Microsoft/Music/Movie companies.

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Nonsense

Posted by: Administrator on December 14, 2006 09:53 PM
Your just speading FUD, get real.

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Re:N00b's rant

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 13, 2006 06:59 AM
I see you "internet watchers" have fixed the problem with the site

<a href="http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/libdvdcss-1.2.9.tar.gz" title="videolan.org">http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/<nobr>l<wbr></nobr> ibdvdcss-1.2.9.tar.gz</a videolan.org>

timing out (hanging).

Damn you guys are active.

I see you also removed the pictures showing GW Bush is a Jew. You should have left them -- they were good.

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Re:Why I'm a Former Suse User

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 14, 2006 03:13 PM
suse like all its predecesors is slow, cumbersome, takes too long to start up, too long to update via Yast (which should be renamed to Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Zzzzzzzzz)
When you wish to close a program you click on the required button and wait, and wait and wait and wait..
Kubuntu, Zenwalk, Easys, Mepis are far superior.

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OpenSuse is the biggest threat to Windows Vista

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on January 27, 2007 11:48 AM
As far as Novell and OpenSuse goes? More power to them. I have tested Mandriva, Fedora, Ubuntu, and Suse, and I personally think Novell has the best shot at winning Microsoft Windows users over to Linux. Novell is a very solid company, has a slew of ingenious software engineers, and has the marketing power (a.ka., the monetary backing) to get the word out about Linux. My prediction? In the future, there will be the “Big Three” in the software industry (just like in the auto industry we have General Motors, Ford, and DaimlerChrysler) - it will be Novell, RedHat, and Microsoft (in that order). Yes, I predict Novell to be the Big Dog on the block in the future.

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Is it similar to SLED 10?

Posted by: Administrator on December 13, 2006 09:13 AM
If OpenSUSE 10.2 is at all similar to SLED 10, which is SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, then I can see why Joe is considering this distribution. Purists will probably detest SLED 10, and if OpenSUSE 10.2 is anything like it, they will probably detest this one, too, but I can tell you without a doubt that people considering jumping ship from Windows XP to a desktop Linux distribution, particularly in business, are more likely to take a close look at SLED, and possibly this distribution or an enterprise distribution derived from this one than almost anything else.

SLED actually looks and feels a lot like Windows, but beneath the covers, it is all Linux. Some of you will undoubtedly say, "Ugh"! But isn't that what it is going to take to get some of the people on the fence to take a closer look? Perhaps YOU do not need to use this one, but what about them?

I am excited about the prospect of Linux distributions that provide a "gateway" of a kind between the Windows they are used to and the Linux that many of us would prefer to have a more prominent place as a major alternative to the status quo.

I doubt that this release is perfect, nor is anything. But if it provides a bridge over that great divide between Windows and Linux, I am all for it, even if I do not end up using it every day myself.

Am I the only one that feels this way?

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Well spoken!

Posted by: Administrator on December 14, 2006 09:37 PM
Finally someone with a comment that makes sense. It's unbelievable that -a few people- keep speading FUD around Novell and Open Source projects that Novell works on. It's simple: if you do not like it, do not use it. OpenSUSE is a very good open source community distribution that deserves that attention it's got in this article. Just look at the download statistics of the last 7 day's of OpenSUSE on distrowatch, think that say's it all....

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Why I'm a Former Suse User

Posted by: Administrator on December 12, 2006 11:26 AM
I used to use Suse back in the 9.x days, but it seems like ever since the 10.x versions, the OpenSuse folks want to cripple some features in the OS. For example, you used to be able to install the nVidia drivers right after the OS installation finishes, but now you have to do the Texas Two Step to get it working. Also, the first 10.x version I tried had removed support for my Wifi card. Again I had to beat my head against the wall to download the missing driver (using another machine) and install it, since Wifi was my only connection to the internet. I, too, discovered you had to uninstall the movie player they shipped with the OS and re-install the *real* version from the web to play DVD's. What a pathetic way to treat users. And don't get me started with the utter mess they made of the package manager!

Not to mention the Novell patent agreement disaster.

Anyway, I have switched to Ubuntu. And, while I miss doing my configuration in Yast2, I don't miss the rest of the nonsense. I don't want to hear excuses or explanations. I just want Linux to work.

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Re:Why I'm a Former Suse User - so am I, and more

Posted by: Administrator on December 12, 2006 09:34 PM
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You've put it succinctly, so I won't repeat your arguments, all of which are valid.



I am a SuSE user and developer since v5.3, but I decided not to recommend it after v10.0 came out. 10.1 was an utter disaster, and after the move by Novell to Movell I actively advocate dumping it alltogether, and so does my consultancy.



However, who has his 9.3er SuSE alive and kicking, should keep it untill the hardware falls to bits, IMHO. This is especially true for server installations - no need to panic here. On the contrary, you'd better snuff your little SUSE in a well-planned manner, even more so at your customers'.



For new boxen we take RHEL/Fedora or Debian/Ubuntu according to customer's preference. RHEL is quite popular with corporations, Debian with civil institutions (Munich, anyone?). Private custs new to Linux love Ubuntu, long-term users prefer FC6. It's as simple as that.



We won't even look at 10.2 - be it good, bad or whatever. No more Novell here.



Take care, I am writing this from Germany, I have years of SUSE tweaking under my belt, I have tons of respect for <a href="http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/" title="desktoplinux.com">Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols</a desktoplinux.com> and <a href="http://www.softwareinreview.com/cms/content/view/60/" title="softwareinreview.com">Jem Matzan</a softwareinreview.com> yet I will still advocate only the use of Debian and Red Hat, both for work and play.



My consultancy will help anyone to dump SUSE quickly, for half the usual fee.



Servicing the Linux community,

YBK


<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.

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openSUSE 10.2: the best Linux desktop yet?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 86.45.76.168] on August 05, 2007 04:42 AM
it only installed for me after i checked the all option, its a really pretty desktop!

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OpenSuse is a good desktop, PClinuxOS is the best.

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 125.20.39.39] on September 06, 2007 07:45 AM
Textar and Ripper gang are working on PCLinuxOS Gnome version which will soon conqueror the OpenSuse base for more stability, better multimedia support, easier configurability and faster responsiveness. Visit http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com to believe it.

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openSUSE 10.2: the best Linux desktop yet?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 84.69.217.71] on November 29, 2007 10:19 PM
You hate Microsoft because hate is all you have to offer.
Just grow up.

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openSUSE 10.2: the best Linux desktop yet?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 61.222.160.125] on January 16, 2008 03:06 AM
OK, I know Ubuntu may not be the best Linux Desktop, but I just love it. cuz It shows me the real Community Power of Linux! I'm new, but I ask, I learn, I solved the problems, and I finally know how to share with others!

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