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Dude, you're getting Ubuntu

By Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier on May 01, 2007 (8:00:00 AM)

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Dell and Canonical are finally making it official. Dell is scheduled to announce today that it has reached a partnership with Canonical to sell Dell desktops and laptops with Ubuntu preinstalled, to be sold through the Dell Web site. The move follows a deluge of requests for preinstalled Linux desktops on Dell's IdeaStorm site in February.

Jane Silber, director of operations for Canonical, says Canonical will be working to certify certain models of Dell computers to ensure that they work with Ubuntu. The two companies are not announcing what models will ship with Ubuntu at this time, but Nick Selby, senior analyst with The 451 Group, says that there will be one notebook and three desktop systems.

Dell spokesman Jeremy Bolen says that it's too early to talk about price points and which models will carry Ubuntu, but that it will be "the kind of offerings that address a cross-section of users."

"Right now we're saying 'in the coming weeks.' This is another positive step -- now we have the distribution, we just have to work out the final details around the product."

While pricing isn't finalized, Bolen did say that the Ubuntu offerings should "come in below a typical Windows machine" with the same configuration.

Silber was mum about the details of Canonical's deal with Dell, and whether Dell was paying any sort of OEM fee or support fees to Canonical for its certification work with Dell. However, Silber did say that Dell would be giving customers the opportunity to buy support for Ubuntu from Canonical through its Web site when they bought a machine with Ubuntu.

According to Silber, Dell will be shipping machines with Ubuntu 7.04, or Feisty Fawn, and she doesn't expect the version shipped by Dell to differ from the download version of Feisty. "It's the same Ubuntu you get from downloading it. The advantage is the preinstall option -- you're not buying software you don't actually want."

One wonders whether the disappointing sales of Vista have anything to do with the timing of the announcement. Bolen says that the announcement has nothing to do with Vista, but "an overwhelming customer feedback" in favor of Linux on the desktop via IdeaStorm.

Analyst Selby says, "I don't think Vista's lack of shine is helping, but I'd be surprised if it's a prime driver."

Why Ubuntu, rather than an offering from Red Hat or Novell, companies that already have pre-existing relationships with Dell? Selby says that it's "an admission by Dell that Red Hat and SUSE 10.2 are not ready for prime time as desktop OSes, and not able to deliver the kind of experience Ubuntu is."

"People are starting to get used to not having the Microsoftian Web experience.... People might just be ready to say this OS [Vista] is junk."

Ubuntu has done extremely well with the Linux enthusiast crowd, but how well will it fare with mainstream users who are not well-versed with Linux, and who may not have sought out Linux before hearing about it via Dell's Web site? Selby says that there's the chance "Canonical might walk into something it's never experienced before, which is consumer dissatisfaction."

Is the average consumer ready for Linux? Selby says that many users wouldn't notice the difference if you sat them down at an Ubuntu machine, but cautions that printing and multimedia are two potential stumbling blocks. He adds that Ubuntu has addressed those problems somewhat in Feisty, but that they are the key areas where he sees Ubuntu as weak with consumers. But he also says that "people are ready to listen" to anyone with something to say about alternatives to Windows.

Selby says that this will be a test of Canonical's ability to scale its support model, and that it might strain a young company that hasn't yet had to deal with a large influx of consumer support requests.

This isn't Dell's first foray into selling desktop Linux systems. Dell gave Linux a shot on its desktop and notebook machines in the 2000-2001 timeframe with Red Hat, but stopped selling the machines after citing low demand.

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I can install it myself, but this is still good

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 01, 2007 11:24 PM
As a lot of people have said here, the hardcore Linux people don't care if it's preinstalled. They can do that themselves. The thing that's nice here is that this means Dell will be beating up the hardware providers to make sure Ubuntu runs smoothly on their products. So I won't be buying a Dell because they spent the 20 seconds to put the image on the hard drive; I will buy one because I know there will be driver support for every component I pay for.

Even if this all bombs and gets dropped a year from now, this should do wonders for getting good drivers out there. Now we just have to hope they are open source and the market doesn't get flooded with proprietary drivers.

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We *do* care

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 02, 2007 05:01 PM

the hardcore Linux people don't care if it's preinstalled.


I care very much if a laptop comes with Windows pre-installed because that means the buyer is paying money to Microsoft - which it will use, in part, to attack Free Software. For that reason I will not buy a laptop which has any version of Windows pre-installed.


It's possible to buy laptops which have either nothing pre-installed, or Freedos, but you have to search.

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This is great, but...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 02, 2007 03:08 AM
This is fantastic news, but you think they could've gotten rid of the "Dell recommends Windows Vista™ Home Premium." note at the top of the page?

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Sweet

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 02, 2007 03:11 AM
I was going to buy a computer pretty soon I guess i'll just get it from dell. Good thing about it is they give warranty on parts. This would also mean business opertunity for the local mom and pops stores to generate some extra monies. Tricle down effect. Most importantly I hope dell get some real english speaking people for their american support. Im tired of talking to people reading from scripts.

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The real question is not addressed

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 02, 2007 03:19 AM
Will Dell certify Ubuntu for all its hardware on the laptops involved? Will Dell provide the necessary drivers? Will wireless and touchpads work correctly out of the box?

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Re:The real question is not addressed

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 02, 2007 06:16 AM
Its addreesed.

All drivers will be under GPL. Where able included with normal parts of linux so as many distro's as able will install out the box.

Yep Dell got it. Linux user are highly divided in preferred distro.

They will also be selection chips with existing open source devices for new computers.

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Still paying windows tax?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 02, 2007 07:52 AM
So will customers still be paying the Windows tax when they buy an Ubuntu Dell?

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Re:Still paying windows tax?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 02, 2007 06:53 PM
The so-called Windows tax can be used for the time it will take to make peripherals compatible. If it's used for that type of thing, it will be a tax well paid--imho.

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Re:Still paying windows tax?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 03, 2007 06:49 AM
How does purchasing a Windows license benefit an Ubuntu customer? Why should Redmond get our money? You make no sense.

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Re:Still paying windows tax?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 03, 2007 10:48 AM
Absolutely. That comment made no sense. As mentioned in another thread, many of us can install Linux on a wide variety of machines by ourselves. The advantage here would be the ability to actually purchase a pre-built machine without having to pay for an OS that you don't want and will not use!

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Re:Still paying windows tax?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 04, 2007 06:35 AM
The comment doesn't make much sense, but I think it is on about a "Dell tax" rather than a Windows tax (since the article says the machines will be slightly cheaper than a similar machine with Windows installed, so paying Redmond for an unused license and NOT getting that back via the pricetag would be a stupid decision), ie. downloading Ubuntu is free, but getting Ubuntu preinstalled instead of Windows will not just be the price of the same Windows machine minus the OEM Windows price (or the bulk price Dell gets Windows for).

In that case he is saying that Ubuntu is being charged for, but hopefully that money will at least partially be spent on getting the hardware Dell uses to be compatible with Linux.

(I am not sure which would be more cost effective though, getting drivers written for the hardware Dell has already invested in, thus keeping the production identical except for the OS, or changing the parts to remove the need for any new drivers to be written. Either way it will be a good thing, since new drivers would be appreciated (and making them proprietary doesn't make much sense when the effort of maintaining them can be shared with the whole kernel/driver team, and if they are done by Canonical not Dell then they will pretty much certainly be made free [no Launchpad comments please<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) ]). In the changing hardware scenario then hardware makers would try wherever possible to be on the "keep" list of parts, and so might make drivers available.)

Hope that clarifies things.

PS: It would be interesting to see which graphics cards Dell uses. Probably an Intel vs. Nvidia debate (or does Dell have too strong ties to ATI? My Dell laptop has a crap ATI card which has no free driver yet, and even ATI's proprietary driver, which claims to support it, doesn't). Canonical/Ubuntu are not against using proprietary graphics drivers by default, so it could be either.

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Re:Great, but I think there's a bigger option

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 02, 2007 10:47 AM
But then how do you know if the hardware will work with Linux? Nothing better htan having it pre-installed since then you know it works and you can wipe it yourself anyways.

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SUSE 10.2 not ready for desktop!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 03, 2007 10:34 PM
This is one of the best, arguably The Best, Linux desktop distro and has a proven support option.

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Re:Great, but I think there's a bigger option

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 15, 2007 08:33 AM
See <a href="http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/nseries_nb?cs=04" title="dell.com">http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.asp<nobr>x<wbr></nobr> /nseries_nb?cs=04</a dell.com>

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RE: Dude, you're getting Ubuntu

Posted by: Administrator on May 01, 2007 11:29 PM
This is a great move from Dell, many people are willing to try Linux, they just don't want to install it them selfs.

I guess other manufactures will follow Dell's idea pretty soon.

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Dude,

Posted by: Administrator on May 02, 2007 03:05 AM
I am so excitied, Dell is awesome.

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Great, but I think there's a bigger option

Posted by: Administrator on May 02, 2007 09:53 AM
Put the option "none" on OS and productivity software. I'm a linux user, but I don't use Ubuntu and I will pay for conf and that, they're not giving it for free, so what's better for me that just the hardware and the BIOS?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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