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Not quite answered: Can open source messaging servers replace Microsoft Exchange?

By Robin 'Roblimo' Miller on September 29, 2006 (8:00:00 AM)

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This week on Linux.com we reviewed Scalix, Open-Xchange, and Zimbra, three of the highest-profile open source alternatives to Microsoft Exchange. All of them have their defects, and all three offer commercial versions that make installation and maintenance easier than it is for their open source versions. We've also talked to marketing people from all three companies, and while they all talk about growing sales and a rosy future, it's obvious from the reader comments attached to the reviews of their products that none of them is an immediate threat to Microsoft's domination of the corporate messaging server market.
But on the other hand, each one of these products has at least one or two features that Microsoft Exchange lacks. For example, Florian von Kurnatowski, director of Scalix' open source project, told Linux.com writer Michael Stutz that "I buy Exchange, I have to go Active Directory on the server side. I have no more choice in directories. Then the next thing is, I buy Exchange, I actually have to continue to use Outlook as my client. Exchange and Outlook are so tightly integrated that you can't really use another client.... You basically need to keep your desktops running Windows and Outlook into eternity."

Lack of vendor lock-in is an obvious advantage offered by all three of the products we reviewed, but it is not the only one. You can read more comments from von Kurnatowki here.

Back in August, Open-Xchange Executive Vice President of Marketing Strategy Dan Kusnetzky told us that there is plenty of opportunity selling to companies that started as one-person or two-person businesses, with the founders using Hotmail or AOL or Yahoo! or other personal email addresses, but have now grown to the point where they have no choice but to centralize their messaging and start thinking about things like shared calendars, shared documents, and other collaboration features. Kusnetzky had many other interesting things to say about the non-Exchange messaging server market, too.

Scott Dietzen, president and CTO of Zimbra, told Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier that Zimbra is being used for high-end deployments with companies like H&R Block, Voxel dot Net, San Mateo Regional Networks, and a number of others, and can handle million-user deployments for hosted service providers -- presumably at a much lower cost than an equivalent Microsoft Exchange setup. Dietzen, too, had lots more to say.

In a comment, an anonymous reader asked, "Why is there so much rumor about OpenXChange, Zimbra, Scalix and other bad Groupwares?" This reader also said, "eGroupware leaves them all behind and is REAL Open Source, but nobody writes reviews about it. Go and take a test drive!"

The last time we looked at eGroupware we decided it wasn't quite ready for full-scale enterprise use and that we'd be doing its developers no favor by reviewing a project that still needed a lot of work to be useful. That was several years ago, and the project has come a long way since then. Look for an eGroupWare review on Linux.com before long.

While none of the products we've reviewed in the last week -- or eGroupWare -- seem to be direct replacements for Microsoft Exchange in that they duplicate each and every Exchange feature, they all have their good points, and since they are all offering (or plan to offer) "plug and go" server appliances, installation and maintenance worries should not be the main reason for choosing or not choosing one of them. All three seem to be building their user bases steadily, if not as rapidly as they'd like, so it's obvious that there is at least a noticeable market niche for new messaging server products -- especially if they run on Linux, which Microsoft Exchange does not and probably never will do.

If you know of any other Exchange-like products or projects we haven't mentioned recently, please let us know about them. Also note: This "special report" format, where we do intense coverage of a particular software or hardware niche in a single week, is as new to us as it is to you, and we would love to have your advice on how we can do it better, either posted as a comment below or by email sent to editors@ostg.com.

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looking forward to eGroupware!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 12:50 AM
Thanks for your prompt reaction on my comment! If there should be any trouble with installing eGroupware, please notice, that there's a very active community, which will help you out in minutes. (And that on 10-3 the german part of the community has it's national day<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-))

Maybe you'd like to ask in the mailinglist for a stable snapshot of the soon coming release to see all the features.

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Re:looking forward to eGroupware!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 03:46 AM
I am currently using a relatively current snapshot from SVN of eGroupWare (version 1.3.012) for a relatively large educational institution. The software has many small bugs but they are usually resolved quite quickly. Overall, it is a very strong product, but nowhere on par with Exchange.

Still, this is an amazing acheivement of the eGroupWare team, and a strong testiment to the Open Source movement.

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opengroupware.org is another choice for a review

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 03:17 AM
Why is opengroupware not taken for consideration as well.
We have organizations running on them without a problem.
Exchange is still considered to be the standard but lesser alternatives does look attractive for the task at hand.

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PostPath

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 04:45 AM
I would like to read a review of PostPath - (Currently looking to replace Exchange 5.5)
<a href="http://www.postpath.com/" title="postpath.com">http://www.postpath.com/</a postpath.com>

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Novell

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 04:50 AM
Novell has what, 3 different messaging servers they sell? I don't understand why they have not picked one, pushed it's development, and taken a leadership role in this area on Linux. (They should also be releasing an easy to install win version of Evolution to help break the ms dependance.)

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Re:Novell

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 07:13 AM
There's a problem with running Evolution on all the Windows desktops. Evolution has had its issues throughout the years, up to and including the current 2.6.3 version, with the Exchange Connector crashing when you have automatic-recipient-lookups turned on. That will not win over any Windows converts; the Exchange Connector clearly needs some serious stability work first. I've run it on Ubuntu Hoary and Dapper, as well as several recent SuSE releases, and this issue has been an issue for a long time. Yes, I filed a bug report.

I've found two versions that seem to work well: RHEL/CentOS's Evolution 2.0.2, and Debian Sarge's Evolution 2.0.4. These two versions' Exchange Connectors haven't yet crashed on me.

Please, Novell, make the Exchange Connector rock-solid! Immediately following that, then the suggestion of a Win32 version is actually a good idea. You can directly help break the MS dependence by doing these two things.

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Hula

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on October 03, 2006 01:16 AM
hula-project.org

It is a fork of Novell's answer to MS Exchange. Novel NetMail. One installation covers MTA, MDA, imaps, calendar, contacts, mailing lists, all wrapped up in a web gui (both admin and user interface).

I've been using it for nearly two years now, without a problem in the last year and a half, through two Ubuntu upgrades.

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Covide

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 08:31 AM
Covide Groupware-CRM has all zimbra/openxchange etc have and more. Unlike phpgroupware and egroupware it's not a tool to link several projects together but it's build from scratch with integration of all your communication and calendars as basic principle.
Please have a look at it in your next review.
<a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/covide" title="sourceforge.net">http://sourceforge.net/projects/covide</a sourceforge.net>

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Kolab server

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 08:09 PM
Hi, We're using Kolab, and are very happy with it.

Outlook connectivity is realized with the toltec connector.

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Re:Kolab server

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2006 11:15 PM
I have converted 6 companies from Exchange to Kolab. The Toltec Connector allows Outlook to interact with Kolab and we use NoMachine's NX server/java client to allow remote access. The cost of this is significantly less than MS Exchange and we get more functionality (NX is an extremely fast remote desktop). We use both Kontact and Outlook via the NX sessions, depending on the users level of comfort.
Stability is the reason I've had these companies switch and Kolab is extremely stable, more stable than MS Exchange in my experiences.

Cheers,

Alex.

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what is so attractive about Exchange

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2006 01:08 AM
I have already asked this question somwhere. I had a job that include Exchange server administration some 8 years ago. It was still v 5.0 then. I have not found anything good about it.

Why are the people trying to clone it ? What great features does it have ? I checked Microsoft site, and I have found no information indicating some must-have feature. So, what is it all about ?

DG

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Re:what is so attractive about Exchange

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 19, 2006 08:44 AM
The biggest thing is the shared calendars and contacts. That is the reason I have been investigating changing from a standard Fedora install (just using email with unix accounts, with some samba shares) to something with a bit more punch. I am trialling Zimbra (installed CentOS on a second computer) right now, and will be looking at Scalix.

This will all save ~$AU9000 for a non-profit (church) for Exchange. I'm hoping in future more people will use the web interface eliminating the need for Outlook, and even Windows. However they run a database that is Windows-only clients so this seems unlikely (unless I can coax it to work under wine or something).

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Some problems in replacing MS Outlook

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2006 02:10 PM
This comment is about replacing Outlook in an office... I work at a non-profit where we are migrating to a Linux terminal server.

Sync between a smartphone and a PIM is lacking. For example, SyncML (which would make over the Internet syncing nice) is poorly supported. MultiSync is dead. OpenSync and SyncEvolution are immature and have no GUIs.

Also, Palm Pilot sync (not using SyncML) over a network (required in a terminal server environment) does not work with current GUI sync tools (and there's a few of them) because of bugs---not because of missing features.

Also, there's no lightweight way (without setting up some big, heavy Exchange replacement) to setup a shared (multi-writer) calendar. WebDAV seems to allow writers to clobber each other's changes, but CalDAV is not available in Korganizer and only "basically" supported in Mozilla. Then, Korganizer and Evolution have various annoying bugs such as crashes, memory consumption, and spurious error messages. Also, Chandler and Mozilla Calendar are still alpha, and though both have commercial support, progress is slow. (Did you know Sun is sponsering Mozilla Calendar?)

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Re:Some problems in replacing MS Outlook

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2006 07:56 PM
That would explain why Mozilla's calendar is called "Sunbird"!

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Re:Some problems in replacing MS Outlook

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2006 10:20 PM
Hmm..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) That's possible, but I think Sun's support is a recent thing: <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/dancer/entry/calendar_and_email_client_for" title="sun.com">http://blogs.sun.com/dancer/entry/calendar_and_em<nobr>a<wbr></nobr> il_client_for</a sun.com>

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Bynari?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2006 04:22 PM
Hi.

What about bynari's offers (www.bynari.com)? I've looked at it a couple of years ago and it looked quite good.

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Scalix is pretty awesome

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on October 07, 2006 06:20 AM
I recently started working at an organization that has Scalix installed. Most people use Outlook, but I only use the web interface. It works great on Linux/Firefox and has full mail and calendar support, reminders, etc.

It has been a pleasure to use.

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Not quite answered: Can open source messaging servers replace Microsoft Exchange?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 82.1.151.190] on December 12, 2007 06:49 PM
And, a year later, the story remains the same

We're using Scalix in anger, and have been for some time. It works nicely with web client or Outlook. But once you move away from that pair...

Thunderbird (via IMAP only) works well for mail, but there's still no bi-directional link to Sunbird (although 11.3 later this month promises WebCAL bi-di calendar support).
Evolution (via Scalix client) is, again, mail only.

The sync to pda/phone is still the killer - unless you're happy using Outlook... Gah! The whole SyncML mess is just plain depressing. If it works at all, it's dog slow.

C'mon, guys, this isn't rocket science! Let's do it and do it WELL...

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