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Posted Jun 09, 2008 at 9:05:43 AM
Subject: I'm looking for a [b]complete [/b]linux distro
Hi there,
I've got a 2005 Packard Bell EasyNote R9260 (laptop)
Intel Celeron 2ghz processer
1024ram
160GB HDD
Nividia Geforce Go 6200 Graphics card (512 designated ram)
Realtek sound card (don't know the spec's)
various network cards
I've damaged my master CD for this device and I'm not spending huge amount on a new set or a new XP / Vista OS. I've been keep an eye on Linux for some time and now from what I've read many people are very happy with their various Linux distro's however I'm not looking at playing around with different type's (at least not till I'm comfortable with Linux and until I learn how to modify them, use line commands and so forth.) I'm looking for a [b]complete[/b] package with drivers so my Com is at optimal performance and not lagging, one that will be as [b]easy to Install as windows and reasonably easy to use[/b] form what I've done read up’s on the full Feroda 9 and the New Ubuntu seems to be the right ones, however I want to know what would work the best on my Com. without hassles from the word go.
Any recommendations?
Thanks!
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Drunk_Mexican
Joined May 29, 2008 Posts: 36
Location:The Great State of Texas
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Jun 09, 2008 2:01:42 PM
Subject: I'm looking for a [b]complete [/b]linux distro
I'm not sure what you mean by a complete distro. Many come with great apps already but if its missing something you can always just get them from the repositories for free. I wouldn't worry about what it comes with as much as hardware support. As long as whatever distro you decide on works with your hardware that is what's most important. Fedora and Ubuntu are excellent starters. You won't have any problem running any linux distro with those specs.
Here is what I would do if I were you.
Check out the live CDs of the distros to get yourself familiar with how linux works. I think you will be surprised how little of the command line you need. As long as you aren't scared of it and you're willing to use it, people can help you fix whatever problems that might arise easier and faster.
Make a Knoppix DVD. I say the DVD version specifically because it comes with tons and tons of apps that are Linux standards and has amazingly good hardware support.
You can also get Ubuntu live and Fedora too I think.
When you are ready for the full install just click the icon that lets you do it and its as easy as windows and will be faster too. Just know that Knoppix shouldn't really be installed on the harddisk. It is a live OS used for demonstrations and system file recovery.
O yeah BTW, Knoppix will run fine as a live CD because that is what it is designed for. Fedora and Ubuntu will run a little sluggish in live mode. Don't freak out. That is normal. They are designed to be installed and after they are the speed will pick up a lot.
[Modified by: Drunk_Mexican on June 09, 2008 02:07 PM]
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Ante
Joined Mar 28, 2008 Posts: 122
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Jun 10, 2008 12:32:55 AM
Subject: I'm looking for a [b]complete [/b]linux distro
well... definition of complete is different for everyone...
most distros don't even need to use the commandline for regular desktop stuff, so don't worry much about that.
the Mex is right, get the DVD iso as the CD isos are very much trimmed down version of distros.
a quick distrowatch search yields this (http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Live+DVD&origin=All&basedon=All&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active )
ubuntu does not come out of the box with DVD and other grey area stuff like playing some sound files and such... jsut a few clicks (and an internet connection) to get it working though.
most installers are pretty straightforward. If you've installed windows before then you won't find anything too scary when installing distros (exception for me is DreamLinux and DSL)
but pretty much my advice would be to try different base distros and find one that you kinda like, then try their derivatives.
For example, Ubuntu is based off Debian.
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SKay
Joined Jun 09, 2008 Posts: 2
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Jun 13, 2008 10:49:07 AM
Subject: I'm looking for a [b]complete [/b]linux distro
Hi all!
Many thanks for the info. I have dicided to follow the advise and try a few to find the one for me, (I'll think of it like buying a car and take them for a test drive)
well on that I've tried the live CD for Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy and it's not half bad, but yes there are some really irritating issues. I did verify the download and once the cd was in the drive and I started up the PC I did a CD check and all checked out fine. I played arond with the "demo" and then did a full instilation and after things were not working so good I reinstalled it, but I still have the same problems maybe some one could give some advice.
1) on some applications there are no help files (even though there is a help button) and once on the main help it also says that some files are missing? is this because it's a CD version?
2)My "Run Command" doesn't seem to work all the time and certain things aren't found eg. "sudo apt-get install python-vte" (I've even tried it in the terminal window)It says it was not found.
I need this for the menu option - Inspect, on my vodacom 3G HSDPA USB card this brings me to the next problem.
3) the Vodacom card is working other than the this mentioned above, it picks up the card, it has installed the connection settings for internet from the card. I even sent a sms to check and all is good. (this is my only internet connection) but for some reason nothing on Kubuntu can access the net, not the browser (Konqueror) or any other program, so I can't update a thing or install additional applications like WINE. I've tryied to create a new connection manualy but I don't have that option for some odd reason. I tryed this from the command line as well as in the terminal window: sudo pppconfig But nothing happens
4) Kubuntu picks up my Nvidia GeForce 6200 graphics card but if I sellect to use it the screen starts doing disco strobe lights in all the colors of the rainbow, then I have to reinstall Kubuntu on safe graphics mode again to get it working again, is this a driver issue?
5) so with all this said I've decided to try the DVD versions of 3 distro's (Kubuntu 8.04, Feroda 9, Mandriva spring 2008)as recomended and to see what will work best on my PC; is this the right thing to do, does the dvd version just come with more application / do the come with more drivers / will it detect hardware better?
I look forward to the comments!
Thanks,
SKay
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komodo_NL
Joined Jun 13, 2008 Posts: 4
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Jun 14, 2008 12:17:55 PM
Subject: I'm looking for a [b]complete [/b]linux distro
Hi SKay,
You should really take some time to read some beginner references on what linux is and how it works. It'll help you to fiddle around a bit. Look on the internet to find how-to's and background information.
Now for your questions:
ad 1. : this maybe just the way it is. Many applications for Gnu/linux are developed and maintained by private people (i.e. volunteers) and in some cases, they do not include help files. If your window manager just includes a help button by default but there were no help pages included, you may be able to look on the internet to see if you can find some FAQ or forum where people may be able to help you.
ad 2. : apt-get has an elaborate how-to on the internet: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
Read it, read all of it and then see if you can find a solution. After reading this, you will know about /etc/sources.list, how you should add a repository to the file and what you should do if you just added a new repository to this file.
As a general pointer, you may want to have a look at synaptic (which I expect to be installed by default) and see if this particular package (python) is already present on your computer, but not installed (in which case the command wouldn't be apt-get, but probably dpkg, which is explained in the how-to I pointed you to, but you could then also use synaptic to install it for you).
ad 3 : see if netconfig works, it has an explicit option to use a gprs modem. use it from the command line, though. This is actually a more important issue than the perl thing, which you may not even be able to resolve if you do not get internet up and running. I have no experience with this sort of modem, so I hope someone else can explain about this. In fact: this may easily be the solution to your question number two too (I have a feeling this may rhyme). Maybe you can google a Vodacom linux how-to?
ad 4 : From what I understand from your question, it is more likely this is a configuration issue, using a wrong video mode for you card or screen. read this for some more information: http://www.linux.com/articles/54945 (look at point 7 for the Xserver)
ad 5 : The live DVD's give you more applications, usually. I only use a liveCD for rescue purposes, so I really can't comment. I would simply choose a distro and stick with it for some time (I mean months). The newer distro's can detect most hardware and have really simple installations. Even debian is simple to install nowadays. Just stay away from the source based distro's (e.g. gentoo or LFS), as these may be a little intimidating for a novice user (on the other hand, it is a sure fire way of learning linux as you have no choice). But, we are all different, so the best advice I can give you is: do what YOU think is right. Choosing a distro is a matter of taste (to some it is a matter of religion). I like the feet-in-the-dirt distros (like LFS, slackware, gentoo and so on), you may like distros that aim for ease of use (like ubuntu, knoppix, Freespire or what not) yet someone else may want to abandon linux and go the BSD route. Taste, that's what it is...
Perhaps others have other ideas about my comments.
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