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Posted Nov 02, 2008 at 6:19:40 AM
Subject: Building My First Computer
For years now I've been using computers in my everyday life. I use them everywhere I go, from home, to school, to work. I know they work, I just don't know how/why they work. I'm interested to learn more and someone said the best way to learn is to try and put one together yourself. I'm really excited at the prospect of building my own computer, I just don't know where to start. The fellows over at eggxpert.com recommended I get what they call a "barebones" system. I've looked into them and they all loo the same to me. I don't know how to tell the difference between them all. I was wondering if anyone could give me a push in the right direction. The end goal of this project is to have a desktop computer I can upgrade in the future as I see fit instead of buying new computers retail like I usually do. I just realized how much money I was wasting. I just want something that can be suitable for basic home use and some minor gaming. I was alos planning on putting Linux on it and learning that as well. For one, I don't want to shell out the money for another copy of Vista. I've also heard some great things about Linux and I'm curious to see for myself, thus the reason I came to Linux.com. What I want to know is where do I start when building a computer? I have no set "budget," rather I'm just going to buy the pieces over time as money allows. How much would I expect to spend to buy the basics of a computer. I want to get the "shell" of a computer going, something to build on. I also want to start looking into my software options. I've been using Windows/OS 7-X all my life. Where would one recommend I start with linux. I know there are many types out there and I just don't know which to choose.

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Posted: Nov 02, 2008 7:42:38 AM
Subject: Building My First Computer
Not being an expert on building a computer all I can recommend is the Linux distro I would choose as a first Distro. 1. Ubuntu 2. Linux Mint 3. Mepis 7 I am sure other forum members will have some other suggestions for you.

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Hollow Point
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Posted: Nov 02, 2008 8:25:48 PM
Subject: Building My First Computer
To build a computer from scratch you need 6 main components and everything else is a bonus. You'll need a motherboard, RAM (You could start with 1GB but I recommend more), a hard drive (or more than one if you choose), a Processor or CPU, this needs to be compatible with your motherboard, you'll also need a case and a Power Supply (Some times these come bundled but most of the time these days you buy them separately) and you may need a graphics card and/or sound card if your motherboard doesn't have them built in or you want something better than your motherboard offers, I suggest buying the parts from a local PC shop and if you're interested in Linux, try to find one that knows something about Linux as well, they should be able to direct you towards the suitable hardware you need that will work with Linux without driver issues or too much tweaking. Most hardware works with Linux these days but some still doesn't. Don't buy something called a WinModem for example if you want to be able to use it for dial up internet or faxing with Linux. For first distributions I recommend either Kubuntu 8.04, Mandriva 2008.0 or 2009.0 both are excellent ,or Ubuntu 8.10. I recommend Kubuntu 8.04 as opposed to 8.10 because 8.10 has only just been released and has some bugs but more importantly it uses KDE4.1 which I still don't think is suitable for new users (Mandriva 2009.0 uses KDE4.1 as well but Mandriva did an EXCELLENT job of customizing it and it works brilliantly), whereas 8.04 uses KDE3.5.9 which is excellent and is tried and tested. Ubuntu 8.10 has a couple of bugs but it has a lot of things in it that 8.04 Ubuntu didn't have. The difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu is the desktop environment. Ubuntu uses Gnome and Kubuntu uses KDE. Take a look at some screenshots of both desktops around the web and try to decide which you think will most likely suit you. I tend to find anyone coming from Windows has a better time with KDE than Gnome but that's not always the case. Of course you can always come back here to ask more questions and get more help :D [Modified by: Hollow Point on November 03, 2008 08:28 AM]
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gregorydearth
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Posted: Nov 06, 2008 8:17:42 PM
Subject: Building My First Computer
Why is it that people who build computers are told to make over-paced machines? You will end up spending more money than necessary. If you are going LINUX you can build a not-so-modern machine a LOT cheaper and still end up with a really fast computer that does everything you will ever need it to do! You can go on to newegg or someplace and get started buying parts. Just make sure what you buy matches. Don't get the fastest most expensive stuff unless you have a bottomless wallet. No need for that. A Pentium 4 processor is plenty fast enough to run several Linux distributions very well. Get a motherboard and the RAM of the type the motherboard has slots for. 512 is ok, a gig is better. two gigs is even better, but unless you are running a super-modern linux distro like ubuntu, and doing music composition or video editing, 1 gig is plenty. It's not like you're running xp or vista. Your linux operating system will not use 50% of your RAM like windows just to idle. My linux idles at only 18MB. Finally, get a soundcard that ISN'T that new. An older sound card will likely work better, as the new ones sometimes just don't have linux drivers available. Get a nice box for the computer. A strong power supply (better than 400 watts). A deep hard drive (80 gigs or more is fine). And you are looking at a quick computer ready to run any version of linux you might want to try for less than $400 total. For a really nice look that runs fast, try Linux Mint. For something ridiculously fast (on that machine), you might try Vector Linux. There are even faster distros (which are simply more stripped down), but I assume you want something pretty high-tech. Anyhow, we'll be here every step of the way if you have any questions or if you need help. It will greatly improve your capabilities if you have a separate running computer that you can use to download stuff on. But if you have no computer (and are reading this in a library or something), you could just go buy a Linux magazine at the book store and use the distro it comes with to get started. Magazines are also good for guiding newbies along the install and learning curve.
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Andrew
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Posted: Nov 08, 2008 4:27:27 PM
Subject: Building My First Computer
For your first distro I would recommend Ubuntu 8.10. Ubuntu is the most intuitive distribution I have ever used and there are enough people using it that any time I do have a problem there are about five solutions already in the Ubuntu forums. In fact I have yet to actually have to post a problem on there because somebody else already had every time. As for kde vs gnome, I would suggest starting with gnome. I found kde3 hard to work with when I started out. Kde4 is considerably easier to customize and work with than kde3 but it's still a little too buggy for my tastes, or at least Kubuntu's version is. I know Mandriva has heavily modified it as Hollow Point said, but I haven't tried it myself. Gnome, however, was built specifically to be easy to use and I've always found that they delivered well on that goal, even if it does look different from what you might be used to. As for hardware I have to disagree with Hollow Point here. I'd suggest buying from Newegg.com. You'll have a much larger selection than with a local store and I don't think I've ever seen somebody have a lower price than Newegg. Look for hardware that has a large number of reviews; then search the comments to see if anybody has mentioned how well it works with Linux. Most of the time you can find a couple comments that will specifically mention how well it works with Ubuntu. When buying hardware you'll need to keep hardware compatibility in mind. This is most significant with the motherboard, processor, and ram. Another thing to watch for when buying online is whether an item is OEM or retail. OEM means that you get only the item specified, none of the accessories, even if they're required to use the item. Since this is your first build you probably won't want to buy any OEM parts because you don't likely have the accessories/cables that you'll need lying around. I'd recommend at least a 2ghz dual core processor and 2gb of ram. Although Linux will run happily on less than that you can get it for pretty cheap and Linux can feel a little sluggish with less than that. For the hard drive I'd go a sata interface, size just depends on how much stuff you plan on putting on it. A 400w power supply is fine if you don't plan on adding a fancy graphics card at some point. Lastly, make sure to get a case that everything else will fit in.
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GRGIII
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Posted: Nov 08, 2008 11:58:30 PM
Subject: Building My First Computer
Asking geeks what hardware to buy or what Linux distribution to run is like asking someone what color is best! You are bound to get different answers from every one you ask. That being said, I can understand why you want to learn to build your own computer. I have been building my own computers since Windows 98 was the latest and greatest OS and I have always been more satisfied with computers that I have assembled than any other ones I have owned. There was a time when building meant saving money. The savings are not as great as they used to be in the "old days", but the satisfaction is still there. It is satisfying to know that you picked it, assembled it and can now fix it or upgrade it as needed! These days outside of dialup modems and esoteric accessories, just about anything except the latest cutting edge hardware works with Linux. You could easily pick up a good used commercial desktop with a high end P4 from ebay and be in business as fast as you can slap cdrom in and reboot. That would give you a cheap, fast usable Linux computer, but would not give you the satisfaction of selecting parts and building your own. There used to be lots of recommended build sites on the web years ago, but most build recommendations these days are aimed at high-end gamers where no expense is spared in the pursuit of fps in their chosen game. The best general all around site I can think of now is Ars Technica System Guide http://arstechnica.com/guides.ars. They give you an idea of whats available in several price ranges. You have to make your own decision about what to spend. Fortunately, Linux is very forgiving when it comes to hardware and a little hardware goes a long way. These days you have to accept that the cpu and motherboard that you buy today will probably only be current for a year or at the most 18 months. Hardware changes so fast these days that it is hard to keep up with it. The good part is that it usually gets better and drops in price. If you have a good selection of parts at local stores there in Florida then that may be a good way to go. If not, Newegg offers a smörgåsbord of computer parts on their site that will keep you entertained for days while you shop. In general terms, I recommend the following choices: Get a dual core cpu (or Quad if money is no object). Check motherboard user ratings on Newegg. If it is a good board and it works, people will let it be known. Consider choosing nvidia for video. Nvidia used to be the only way to go with Linux, but AMD has made great strides in their Linux drivers in the past year. For 3d or gaming you will need a discrete card or one of the new AMD or Nvidia integrated video chipsets. Hard Drive and optical drive go with SATA and pick what meets your budget. I would go for 2GB RAM just because it is dirt cheap right now (if you stay with DDR2). When it comes to the case and power supply, you may be better off buying local. Newegg has hundreds of cases (use pictures and user ratings) to choose from but the shipping can be expensive. Check locally to see what is available and on sale. My local Office Depot is the only store around that has cases anymore and they have a couple of nice Antec cases. They are particularly attractive when they are on sale. I generally build lower end "budget" systems that give me lots of bang for the buck. By running Linux I can get more for my hardware dollar. Keep in mind that the only video game I play is Sauerbraten and I don't do lots of video encoding on my system. I do like to play with VMWare and VirtualBox. I have found that just about any dual core system with one or two gb of ram works fine for that sort of thing. That doesn't mean I don't want a 3ghz system with a quad core, I just can't justify it! As far as distribution goes, I would recommend Ubuntu Hardy or Intrepid, unless you are more familiar with another one. Remember the most important part of building a computer--have fun!
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iPodAddict181
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Posted: Nov 13, 2008 5:20:24 AM
Subject: Building My First Computer
Try this, it's called "The Ultimate Budget Box". It's from Ars Technica. The total cost is around $400 - $450, so it shouldn't break the bank. It will run almost any Linux distribution easily, I'd recommend Ubuntu. Happy building! http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200810.ars/1
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Posted: Nov 14, 2008 5:12:20 PM
Subject: Building My First Computer
[quote=iPodAddict181]Try this, it's called "The Ultimate Budget Box". It's from Ars Technica. The total cost is around $400 - $450, so it shouldn't break the bank. It will run almost any Linux distribution easily, I'd recommend Ubuntu. Happy building! http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200810.ars/1 [/quote] thanks for the link! [Modified by: Jason Frank, Jr. on November 14, 2008 05:13 PM]

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imaginaryboy
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Posted: Nov 14, 2008 8:17:15 PM
Subject: Building My First Computer
I'm also building my first computer from scratch, although I've rebuilt a few existing computers and have used linux for awhile. I'm not sure buying things gradually is the way to go; you likely won't be able to return things if you've had them awhile, so you may not be able to tell if they work, and things change quickly, so you could see prices drop between when you buy something and when you use it. Also, some of the name brand computers use slightly non-standard parts, so you'd have to be extra careful trying to mix standard & proprietary hardware; i.e. Dell used to use a standard power connector between the PSU and motherboards, but with a few wires switched around. It can take time for the latest hardware support to get into all of the distros; luckily, there are some decent linux review sites that talk about compatibility issues, so if you're getting something cutting edge, you may want to stick with something that's been reviewed there. I was waiting for Ubuntu 8.10 to come out, because the Phoronix review of the motherboard I was looking at said it wasn't supported yet in 8.04. Before you get the parts, it's a good idea to download the manuals, and see how/if the fit together. For what I'm looking at, the PSU (included with the case) has an 8 pin connector to power the CPU, but the board needs a 4 pin. As far as I can tell both kinds are around with no rhyme or reason to which is used, but since I discovered this ahead of time, I could think again about those parts; I wound up ordering an adapter off ebay. Also, I don't entirely buy the argument about linux using so much less memory than windows. It really depends on what you're doing, more than the memory used by just staring at the desktop. Firefox, for example, is a notorious memory hog. Also, linux does use a lot of memory, it just uses it for caching, instead of eye candy like windows, so with less memory it just won't get those improvements, but will probably still be faster than windows. Anyway, memory isn't that expensive now, and some lower end boards only have two slots, which means they'd all be full from day one, making upgrading more expensive later if you get one of those.
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