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Posted Jan 21, 2009 at 5:43:55 AM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
I am new to Linux and have a [b]Belco Alpha 400 [/b]with [b]Linux 2.4[/b], I need Info on what I can do with this machine?, I would like to know if I can add [u]applications[/u], [u]modify[/u] or [u]upgrade[/u]?, I am reading the [b]Linux 2.4[/b] manual, but the manual seems different than what the [b]Alpha 400 [/b]has? Are there different versions of [b]Linux 2.4[/b] or are they proprietary to the Netbook manufacture?, I have searched for the [b]Belco[/b] Web site but it does not seem to exist? Or am I missing something?
Thank you for any help you can give
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thobbs
Joined Oct 12, 2008 Posts: 238
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Jan 21, 2009 6:17:07 AM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
I've never seen one of these before. It uses a MIPS processor, which is just strange. They are using the 2.4 kernel, but it looks like they have created their own unknown OS and desktop environment (which they call a "FULL-FLASH desktop). I was unable to find a website or any real information, either.
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Rubberman
Joined Jul 30, 2007 Posts: 944
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Jan 21, 2009 10:42:38 PM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
Linux 2.4 refers to the version of the kernel. When you boot up, you should get a splash screen that tells you what the real distribution is, or you should be able to find out by opening a command-line terminal and executing this command: uname -a
Anyway, most applications you can install and/or upgrade. Doesn't your system have a package manager? Well, since the manufacturer's web site seems to be in lala land it might no longer function. In that case, you are probably doomed to the need to download source code for the packages you are interested in, and building them yourself. Some packages will only work on kernel 2.6 and later, but most of the standard ones (OpenOffice, etc) will build on 2.4 version kernels as well. Good luck.
One last thing. There are a number of newer Linux distributions that still support the MIPS chip. A quick Google search turned up this site: http://www.linux-mips.org
It seems to be currently active and they have a 2.6.28 kernel for the mips processor family, as well as support for 2.4 kernels. You might want to check it out. Their binary distributions for the older kernel might just work for you, or you might be able to install the newer system on your hardware.
Good luck!
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alpha_crabini
Joined Jan 21, 2009 Posts: 4
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Feb 07, 2009 6:27:34 AM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
Thank you for info, When it boots up it reads top Left of screen "Alpha 400" and top right "V66" and bottom right "Penguin".
How do you open up "Command-line terminal" ?, I have looked everywhere but can’t find anything on this? Is this machine capable or does it need some software to achieve this? or is this something that will need a deep learning curve or is it something that I might be able to quickly do so as to speed my learning of Linux? I purchased this device for $149.00 and figured it was a cheap way of getting into Linux and so far I am happy with it, it does what is say's and fairly quickly considering the hardware and memory limitations, Internet and email is quick and easy, takes about 20 seconds to boot up and fits in my cargo pants, but as time goes by and become more educated with Linux I would like to get this machine to do more versus having to buy a new upper model one?, I do understand that the processor is not an x86 type so there will be limitations but would like to make the machine do as much as possible within those boundaries, and I know I have some reading to do, but for now I am interested in at least doing the basic’s ,such as adding different themes and backgrounds?
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Binary Snake
Joined Jan 11, 2009 Posts: 197
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Feb 07, 2009 6:03:28 PM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
To open a terminal press the ALT+F2 keys, type "xterm" and press enter. Then type "cat /etc/issue", this should give you the distribution name and version.
Or to do it the simple way, open your file manager, go to the folder /etc/ and open the file with the name "issue"
I found the manufacturer of this netbook, it's WaterCom System Corp at: http://www.watercom.com.tw/company%20background.html
But they don't talk about belco alpha 400 at their official site, I found it on another website: http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-5466-view-BELCO-ALPHA-400.html
[Modified by: Binary Snake on February 07, 2009 07:35 PM]
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alpha_crabini
Joined Jan 21, 2009 Posts: 4
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Feb 08, 2009 11:18:06 AM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
I tried the ALT+F2 keys, But no window or anything happens? And opening File manager shows only My Documents Folder I cannot "Up" to any root directories?, I wish I knew enough about Linux to know what to do next? But I am thinking of putting a similar version of Linux on my Laptop I have a Dell Latitude X300 that I have setup already with multiboot setup of Windows XP, Windows 7 and setting up another partition on the 500gb drive is easy on X300, I just have to make sure I have all the drivers for Linux?
I get the feeling that Belco Alpha 400 machine may not have a “Command-line terminal” as it sits from the factory and may have some proprietary method of accessing the Terminal?, but anyway I did find a web site that has a “sort-of?” upgrade to Linux 2.6 but I would rather take baby steps before I do something to brick the machine, If Linux will run on my Dell X300 I will just use that for a couple weeks or until I learn enough to properly use the Alpha 400, I am so new to Linux that even when I am on web sites like this one and try to search for info, because of the lack of knowledge I usually end up not where I need to be and I am going back and forth between my book and other reference material until I get my answer,
I am just surprised that there are no dedicated forums specifically yet for just the Belco Alpha 400 as there are for others like the Asus or Samsung of which there seems to be plenty?, I don’t know how long the Belco machine has been out for, and don’t know how many out there?, might need some time before a crowd forms for the Alpha 400?, but like I have indicated before that the size, screen, battery life, and mainly $Price made it more than worthwhile for me, and even if I could not upgrade it would still be worth the value for Email, Internet, Media and EBook uses?. It as anybody who will buy a Netbook has to understand that it is not meant to replace your Desktop machine, and I find the Asus too big for my needs, (Asus won’t fit in my Pocket it’s to big)
The xtreview site I have seen before, I have only about 5 sites directly relating to the Belco Alpha 400, and about 10 other similarly made machines, but direct manufacture web site info does not exist anywhere on the box or supplied documentation? So it has been painful looking for needed info.
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Rubberman
Joined Jul 30, 2007 Posts: 944
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Feb 08, 2009 3:34:35 PM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
From what I can see, this is a proprietary machine that has a narrow intended market (ultra-portable web browsing). Although the manufacturer is some company named Belco, I cannot find a link to their web site or where the company is located either. Because it is a Linux box, the source code is supposed to be available, but I have yet to find any tech support links from their vendors, which include Amazon.com. I suppose if you contact Amazon, they might be able to point you to the right place. Good luck!
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Randy
Joined Mar 11, 2009 Posts: 1
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Mar 11, 2009 5:32:42 PM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
This is what I've been able to find. Apparently, there are a number of inexpensive netbooks using Linux that are similar or identical, and perhaps being manufactured by the same company in Shenzhen, Cnina.
Here's a website that purports to offer some tech support for these myriad of similar or identical computers:
http://www.miniwebbook.com/
Note that there is a Bestlink and a Skytone Alpha 400. I would guess it's the same computer.
Now, here's a wikipedia entry on one of these variations. Note that it mentions the various names of the same or similar computer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skytone_Alpha-400
Now, here's a blog on the Alpha 400 and its siblings:
http://alpha-400-mips-elonex-razorbook-coby.blogspot.com/
This is what I've been able to find with some quick searching. I noticed that geeks.com was selling the Belco version and I was curious. My search led me to this thread and other links.
If you plug the various model names into google, you'll find a lot more, and some youtubes of people unboxing (always fun to watch somebody else open up their new stuff!)
I haven't read the various pages carefully, so I don't know whether I'm correct in guessing that these are all pretty much the same machine. I notice that the last post here was about a month ago, so I don't know if there are newer posts on this board. It's my first time posting here. I am an ASUS eee pc user (7 inch)with Linux and I love it. I just can't use it too much for documents; that's the downside of the small screen and keyboard. The only other problem is it won't work with Canon or Panasonic M/F machines. Works with HP and Brother printers, though. I'm waiting for my ASUS 1000HE 10" with Windows XP (sorry guys, I like Linux, but I'm also a Windows and Mac user.)
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alpha_crabini
Joined Jan 21, 2009 Posts: 4
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Apr 11, 2009 10:23:33 AM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
There is a New OS update, 3MX is an alternative distribution for the 400mhz MIPS netbooks.
Here are the links; for downloads;
http://3mx.taita.co.uk/
and support links;
http://www.freeshells.ch/~wicked74/alpha400/packages/
http://www.littlelinuxlaptop.com/
http://linuxlaptopforum.ark2webdesign.co.uk/
This distribution a lot more usable and friendlier than the default Operating System that was installed.
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Rubberman
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Apr 11, 2009 9:58:59 PM
Subject: New to Linux have a Belco Alpha 400 need Info
Well, at least it isn't a "forgotten" system! Is the new one a 2.6 kernel? Also, you might try to get the source code for it, so when they do quit supporting it you have some recourse for updates and bug fixes.
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