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Posted Jan 25, 2009 at 9:32:30 PM
Subject: Instalation options
Hey guys, I've got an old PII sitting here that runs beautifully with a DSL live CD; However, I'm trying to get a more permanent OS going on here. The problem i keep running into is my limited hardware knowledge and this things having some major problems with internal HDs. Well, I've got a nice big external hooked up to it now, but the BIOS is pre-usb boots. I suppose I'm just looking for some options on this one. Maybe a Linux on floppy type of thing to boot into an OS that I've got installed on my extern? I've never really explored this region of booting before, so anything you can throw my way would be fantastic.
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Rubberman
Joined Jul 30, 2007 Posts: 944
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Jan 26, 2009 12:46:31 AM
Subject: Instalation options
One assumes that the HDs are standard ide/ata drives? I wouldn't think that DSL would have any problems with that at all. Are you trying to dual-boot it, or just install Linux using the entire disc?
If the internal HD's are attached to a RAID controller, then DSL might have a problem with that. Let me know some more about your specific hardware.
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mcandertoad
Joined Jan 25, 2009 Posts: 5
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Jan 26, 2009 2:31:26 PM
Subject: Instalation options
The hard drives are IDE, however this isn't a problem that DSL is having. It's something hardware related, for some reason my computer is having problems with it's IDE controllers or something (not software related). For all given purpose, It would be easier to assume I have no internal HDs. I was just wondering what types of install options I have given the circumstances. I'm not set on DSL, I just know that it works on this old junker.
[Modified by: mcandertoad on January 26, 2009 02:34 PM]
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Rubberman
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Jan 26, 2009 4:00:36 PM
Subject: Instalation options
Well, I would think that most current Linux distributions wouldn't have any problem with a standard IDE controller, even if you are running a PII chip. When you run the LiveCD, can you access or see the drives? IE: look in /dev and see if you have some entries like /dev/hda1 and/or /dev/sda1, etc.
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mcandertoad
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Jan 27, 2009 1:55:49 PM
Subject: Instalation options
First off, thank you your quick replies to my post rubber.
Ok, I think I must be mis-wording the question or something. this is not an OS problem I'm having. Lets assume that I have a box with 0 internal hard drives that is incapable of booting from USB. I have a CD drive and a floppy drive with an external USB drive connected. What I am attempting to do is go from the BIOS to the OS installed on my external HD. How can I do this?
[Modified by: mcandertoad on January 27, 2009 01:58 PM]
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Rubberman
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Jan 27, 2009 4:55:44 PM
Subject: Instalation options
AFAIK, you can't, assuming I understand the situation you are proposing here. Let me restate it to be sure I am clear.
1. Your system cannot boot from USB
2. You have a hard drive attached via USB
3. You have a floppy, which presumably the system can boot from.
4. You want to boot to the USB hard drive directly from the BIOS.
If this is correct, then I don't think you can. However, you can put a small boot loader and system on the floppy that will mount the USB disc, change your root file system to the hard drive (chroot /media/drivename/root), and finish booting from there. The details I'm not certain of, though I could probably do this with a day's worth of effort and some research. There are probably others on this forum that can already tell you exactly what to do and tools available to do it.
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mcandertoad
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Jan 27, 2009 9:15:31 PM
Subject: Instalation options
Excellent, thats exactly what I was going to attempt to do. I seem to remember doing something like that in a gentoo setup I was working on a while back. Google away I shall and hopefully I can find some of those floppy disks I used to have...
Thx to Rubberman
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Rubberman
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Jan 27, 2009 9:29:21 PM
Subject: Instalation options
Floppy, what's that? Oh yes, I see some boxes on the back of a shelf that say something like that, and there are these square, flat, plastic-covered thingies in them. Is that what you mean? Honestly, I haven't used one in at least 5 years. The last time was to install a BIOS upgrade to a spare system at work so it could boot from CD. I think it was a Micron system. We were installing a version of Linux on it to use as a testbed router that could be used to inject errors in the network data stream in order to exercise our software's ability to recover from network failures during QC. A necessary thing since our product was designed for high-availability manufacturing systems and customer downtime was $millions USD an hour. Nothing like the need to put an engineer on a plane to a destination 1/2 way around the world in the back-of-beyond to help one realize that failure analysis is much more comfortable in the home office than sitting on a factory floor in a bunny suit at 3:00am after a 24 hour flight and all the fun with airport security and customs on the way...
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mcandertoad
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Jan 28, 2009 9:23:37 PM
Subject: Instalation options
Haha, and a very good story to hear : D
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Posted:
Jan 29, 2009 7:24:28 AM
Subject: Instalation options
One other option since DSL runs on your box is to install a Puppy Linux Distro. Tons of Different Flavors of Puplet Distros out there. Puppy has a tool to make a Wake Pup Floppy that will find Puppy on a USB Pendrive and USB External Hardrive and boot it up. Just another option is all.
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