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IamtheVOICE123 Joined: Feb 27, 2009 Posts: 2 Other Topics	Posted Feb 27, 2009 at 1:25:41 AM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? Hey guy's, I don't cruise around the Linux forums much or anything but I had a question. A lot of people I know who use Linux seem to dislike Apple, the OS they made (or copied for a better word), along with a lot of their prices. And I wanted to ask how the Linux community feels as a whole towards Apple... I seem to see some on youtube like Apple, and then some don't; but I would like to figure out what the majority of Linux user's feel about Apple. I use Windows myself, (Vista user) and I've had no problems with the OS and I like Windows really. Me myself I have never seen so much bs in my entire life. I mean Apple's lack of motivation, the continual lawsuites of price fixing, environmental issues (the one with the iPhone) along with them stealing from Xerox (Xerox tried to sue apple in 1989 for that and people try and say Microsoft stole from them but I can show several articles and whatnot) and how they copied a lot of their features off of difference versions of Linux (that's what I hear from my friends); and all the other things; is the fact that it seems that Apple is trying to appeal to the computer illiterate. That's my take on Apple really... I do have their iPod touch really and I think it's great... pretty overpriced though but it's pretty good. But anyways what is all of your's decisions?
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proopnarine Joined Apr 03, 2008 Posts: 590 Location:San Francisco Other Topics	Posted: Feb 27, 2009 7:12:13 AM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? In general, Apple makes very nice hardware and gadgets, if you don't mind shelling out bucks for branding. I have never been impressed by Apple's operating systems. I used it briefly many years ago in graduate school, and it was simply underpowered for serious computing. None of that is an issue anymore, and OS X, being a Unix really, is a very capable system. But I disapprove of its closed nature, for exactly the same reasons that I disapprove of Windows. It provides basically nothing that I don't have in Linux; some of those features have been part of Linux for years. The one thing that I will give Apple is that they really know how to market to their consumers. And that doesn't mean pulling a snow job on users, but rather really figuring out what turns their users on, and building on that. But, as I like to say, Apple is just a poorer version of Microsoft. Take the red pill Climate Change Blog Food Weblog
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Rubberman Joined Jul 30, 2007 Posts: 944 Location:40 miles west of Chicago Other Topics	Posted: Feb 27, 2009 3:12:04 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? I don't use Apple much myself, other than an occasional Brother Tech Support call for my sister's Macbook Pro, and she's clueless about Linux. My wife, on the other hand, uses both Mac OSX and Linux extensively in her work (scientific computing in particle physics). She prefers Mac for user-facing tasks, and Linux for computational tasks. Each has its strengths. When she has to port computational libraries used in physics research to the Mac, she tends to swear a lot, but a lot less than when she has to port them to Windows... :-) Sometimes real fast is almost as good as real time. Remember, Google is your friend!
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thobbs Joined Oct 12, 2008 Posts: 238 Location:Texas! Other Topics	Posted: Feb 28, 2009 8:20:15 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? OSX has no package manager ... major points lost for that one. Plus, there just aren't a ton of applications available for it; you end up finding a lot of shareware. If you are fine with only using what comes installed, it can be pretty nice.
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IamtheVOICE123 Joined Feb 27, 2009 Posts: 2 Other Topics	Posted: Mar 01, 2009 11:24:02 AM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? "I don't use Apple much myself, other than an occasional Brother Tech Support call for my sister's Macbook Pro, and she's clueless about Linux. My wife, on the other hand, uses both Mac OSX and Linux extensively in her work (scientific computing in particle physics). She prefers Mac for user-facing tasks, and Linux for computational tasks. Each has its strengths. When she has to port computational libraries used in physics research to the Mac, she tends to swear a lot, but a lot less than when she has to port them to Windows... :-)" Not surprising about Windows really... It's never used that much since it doesn't support OGL and OCL on the science side of the order... but very powerful in the videogame designing and even more so now in real life physics such as explosions, water volume, shader's and even ragdoll compositions... and DX11 is supposed to have a plugin support for OGL and OCL... so if it is created right it should be more used in other areas...
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proopnarine Joined Apr 03, 2008 Posts: 590 Location:San Francisco Other Topics	Posted: Mar 01, 2009 8:01:18 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? "... so if it is created right it should be more used in other areas..." True, but Windows is an incredibly unstable system. It's just too big and convoluted. The only advantage that it has over Linux in some areas is vendor support, and that's not due to an inherent capabilities of the system. Thobbs also had a very good point about package managers and available software. Co-workers never cease to be amazed at how quickly and easily I can install large software packages and libraries using yum or apt at the command line, even if the machine is a few thousand miles away! And talking about instability. I've run a small Linux cluster for several years in my lab, with a total of (usually) 24 64-bit CPUs. The demands of the overall research unit have grown rapidly, but I have limited run time available. So Apple kindly donated an 88 node cluster to the genomics lab a few months ago. Until those folks were ready to really use it, I was able to port some of my programs over and really run the heck out of the thing. No advantage over Linux, just many more nodes to use! The genomics folks really started to use it heavily about a month ago. Unfortunately, it has a nasty habit of crashing if node use and communication gets really high. Can you imagine running something for a couple of weeks and then having it crash before it's finished? And mind you, this thing is managed by Apple folks. My cluster has _never_ crashed. We once had myself, a colleague at the University of Bristol, and a remote colleague all using it at the same time. The remote colleague was on Palmyra Atoll, in the middle of the Pacific, using ssh via satellite uplink. I would not trust that to Windows or OS X. [Modified by: proopnarine on March 01, 2009 12:02 PM] Take the red pill Climate Change Blog Food Weblog
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Rubberman Joined Jul 30, 2007 Posts: 944 Location:40 miles west of Chicago Other Topics	Posted: Mar 02, 2009 4:45:38 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? For general information: Scientific Linux (available at www.anl.gov) is a high-availabilty, clustering, Linux implementation based on RHEL that is designed for heavy analytical processing and 6-sigma+ uptime under heavy load conditions. No physicist that I know would even consider Windows for computation clusters, and I know a LOT of them! I grew up in a physics lab, married one, and we seems to grow them all over our family tree (I know of at least 4 PhD physicists in my immediate family). They all like Apple systems for personal use, but prefer Linux for number-crunching. Sometimes real fast is almost as good as real time. Remember, Google is your friend!
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admica Joined Mar 02, 2009 Posts: 5 Location:in your ssh Other Topics	Posted: Mar 02, 2009 8:27:17 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? And the short answer is... Linux > Apple > Microsoft ... Hmm, maybe it should be Linux > BSD > Apple > AIX > Microsoft. But either way, you'll notice Microsoft is dead last. .. [Modified by: admica on March 02, 2009 02:32 PM] http://blog.rootninja.com
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STiAT Joined Mar 05, 2009 Posts: 11 Other Topics	Posted: Mar 05, 2009 2:35:28 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? Apple has done a good job, the system isn't bad. It's a god OS with a good base, and you can do almost every task using MacOSX. Anyway, I've not yet found any reason why I should be using MacOSX except if I wanted to get rid of my money. If others love it - their choice.
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fnybny Joined Aug 05, 2008 Posts: 7 Other Topics	Posted: Mar 15, 2009 9:08:08 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? I think that apple makes "decent" firware and software and amasingly shiny devices. The largest downturn to all apple devices are that they are not open-source(GNU) and their overwhelming prices! For instance: They charge 3 grand for a computer with one gig of ram. Btw I think microsoft is a bottom feeder as well, so don't be offended mac users! [Modified by: fnybny on March 15, 2009 09:10 PM]
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monkeyboy Joined Mar 18, 2009 Posts: 1 Other Topics	Posted: Mar 19, 2009 1:11:57 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? My choice of an OS is based on my needs and not on a deeply held preference for one OS over the other. Linux works well when I am running some apps but on different computers running different programs other OSs do a better job. So as a daily Linux user I still like and use Apples OSs when they are the right tool. Enjoy
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sameer_fox Joined Feb 20, 2009 Posts: 12 Other Topics	Posted: Apr 12, 2009 11:42:34 AM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? Apple is Good with their hardware, but problem is that they always do hardware and software coupling, Now in case I dont wanna use apples hardware but like their OS I dont have much option (In Realistic simple terms). ...........With Windows I do get Hardware software decoupling option .... But again They place lot of restriction on end user (Scare Him with all those EULA) ..... + A developer might never find it easy to customize his OS as per his needs, further they really dont bother about us with Old Hardware as to give us also an option. further the price of Microsoft as well as Apple software is very high... ...................So keeping all these things in Mind as simple user Open source Operating Systems are quite suitable.
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chaotikcore Joined Apr 14, 2009 Posts: 4 Other Topics	Posted: Apr 14, 2009 2:01:44 AM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? love linux..don't like apple.sure they boast a very stable almost virus free system but noone really uses it therefore noone writes viruses or a bunch of third party software for them.altough it is a very nice multimedia os it really doesn't stack up to linux or DARE I SAY IT!!! Windoze. by the way, there are a bunch of cooler and much less cheaper mp3 players out there.you guys think obama is the aniti-christ hell no, it's an i-phone.
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faithwisdomlove Joined May 11, 2009 Posts: 2 Other Topics	Posted: May 11, 2009 3:18:19 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? Im not really a big fan of apple. Apple seems to be queit good though from the ever popular positive feedbacks i read about them.Highly recommended i would say interview questions and answers \| job interviews
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ajay Joined May 11, 2009 Posts: 2 Other Topics	Posted: May 11, 2009 3:34:29 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? apple's are just to at ,not for operating anything so i am in favour of linux \m/ \m/
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ajay Joined May 11, 2009 Posts: 2 Other Topics	Posted: May 11, 2009 3:35:00 PM Subject: Hey was wondering how the Linux community feels about Apple? [quote=ajay]apple's are just to eat ,not for operating anything so i am in favour of linux \m/ \m/[/quote]
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