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They that Hate Linux has never tyr out it. I have been a Windows user in almoast hole my life. and when the frist time i used Linux i was realy impressed on it. and i wan't more and more users to try it :) / NoWarez2

Hi My name is NoWarez2 xD Linux ROOOOOX !!!! OWNS THE SHIT OUT OF WINDOWS

Right. "Perfect" as in "Perfect Storm" I think... :-). The only salute I would give MS for Vista is the three-fingered one (ctl-alt-del).

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For me happiness is not having to use Windows. I find the whole windows environment non-productive. (ctrl+C V etc where in X hilight and press the middle mouse button, virtual desktops and lasy mouse focus) <RANT> The linux desktop would be even better than MS Windowsif it was't for the gnome/kde people. Over the years having used openlook (olvwm), fvwm, gnome,kde,cde etc and the best two for getting the job done/usablity has been olvwm and fvwm. What the gnome/kde people keep forgetting is the fancy looks great, showing off (rotating workspace[like apple], windows cataching fire when closed etc), but all that crap does nothing for usability. </RANT>

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Indeed blinky. Most desktop environments these days have way too much fluff, though I think that kde 3.x is pretty much OK in the amount-of-fluff department. The developers of these tools should be made to relearn the importance of the KISS principle. Make it easy to find things. Make it easy to figure out how to do things. And keep the fark out of my way!

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Interesting how you all went straight to defend Linux. I've been reading alot about the big "Windows VS Mac VS Linux" war, and, frankly, it's sad. There was an article on Digg about a guy who puts Linux(no specifics) on computers he gives disadvantaged kids. Some guy who got fired from his job over Linux confronted him, aggressively. This war will never end. Maybe one day all will be open source, but it is not now. What REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN is all Linux communities need to bond and there should be a select number of distros, not hundreds. Because if we all worked on, say, 10 distros and that's all we were focused on,.... we would have the worlds most powerful, free, cost-effetive, useful, resourceful, and easy-to-use operating systems the world will ever know. Pass it on...

[quote] What REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN is all Linux communities need to bond and there should be a select number of distros, not hundreds. Because if we all worked on, say, 10 distros and that's all we were focused on,.... we would have the worlds most powerful, free, cost-effetive, useful, resourceful, and easy-to-use operating systems the world will ever know. Pass it on...[/quote] What we need is a damn stanard set up. All distros should agree where they will put the files for www and ftp servers. Weather it be /var/www or /srv/www or whatever. And we need to have them all use either /mount or /mnt or /media for mounting drives. And everything should go to one or two install methods. Like RPM or DEB. And it should work on all distros. I hate having to compile programs that don't have a bin for my distro and put different switches after ./config. If things were consistent across the board we could have a million distros and anyone can pick what they want. I don't care if say Suse adds this to KDE and Red Hat doesnt. As long as the base install is the same. Just because Open Source is about choice, doesn't mean we can't have a standard. [Modified by: Mike on March 06, 2009 06:46 PM] [Modified by: Mike on March 06, 2009 06:47 PM] [Modified by: Mike on March 06, 2009 06:47 PM]

[quote=Mike]Just because Open Source is about choice, doesn't mean we can't have a standard.[/quote] amen to that!

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Or until something better (and free) comes along!

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It's not useful for you zonfar. It is very useful for several million other people out there. From what I read, you are tied mostly to a particular graphics program, not an operating system. Hopefully, 3-d max will never go out of business.

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Zonfar: The Linux zealots are what is hurting the sane Linux users that want Linux to succeed. And you're right on the 3rd party programs and plugins. That is why we need to put pressure on these companies to port a version for Linux, even if not open source. I love OSS and what it stands for as much as the next guy, however I also understand reality. And reality is companies don't understand the OSS business model and it scares them and it won't ever release the source. But if they can make it run natively on a linux box with a simple RPM or DEB package, we'd be one step closer than we are now. The war is NOT between MS and Linux, despite how much people try to make it. It is between Open Source and Closed Source companies as a whole. Some companies are starting to buy into Linux and releasing programs. Adobe right now is the shining example. But the programs that companies release for Linux need to be stable and run and look like they should be able to run on Linux and not threaten to crash if you look at it wrong. Microsoft is never going away. But there is no reason that Linux cannot co-exist along with them in the world. After all, choice is what OSS is all about, and if the choice is there for MS or Linux and Linux tries to educate users, then we can succeed. That choice will never be available if we cannot get companies to embrace Linux and release their programs for Linux. Opening it up would be great, but right now I'll take them just releasing it so Linux can actually make it on the desktop and the average user will be happy. Let's put aside the install problems bla bla bla. Show one average user that can install Windows on their own. Things need to happen: -------------- 1) There needs to be standards among all the distros. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Just because Open Source is about choice, doesn't mean we can't have a standard. I've posted that on slashdot and on this site and I've had lots of people agree with me. ------------- 2) Companies need embrace and realize that while MS is here, Linux ain't going anywhere. -------------- 3) The anti-MS linux zealots need to pipe down. Compromise is a beautiful thing. There are open programs. Great! But some apps will NEVER EVER be open. You need to take the bad with the good. Just like there are free and even open programs that run on MS, closed programs should be able to run on Linux. It doesn't make us wishy washy. Infact, it makes pompous by crying how closed source is bad, oh my. ----------------- 4) Linux needs to, gasp!, advertise. Once we get a standard, it needs to go mainstream. Again it's not bad to promote. We won't sell our soul, but we must tell the masses that Linux is there and it's an option. ------------------- 5) Linux users need to lose the elitism. I'm talking as a Linux user here. I love Linux. I use Windows too. It's a necessity to know both. Some people won't switch. That's okay, people. Really it is. Remember that thing called choice? ------------------- 6) Linux needs to change the image of hard to install and just for hackers. Open Office is out there. It's free. In this economy you don't need a license for each install. You don't need a license for each person connecting to a server. -------------------- 7) We need more than white papers for education. There are books out there, good ones too. But It's a pain in the ass to go to Amazon and wade through hundreds of reviews to find a good one. Linux.com could host a list of peer reviewed books with descriptions and ratings for all types of books. From setting up servers to learning Linux to installing Linux (You hear the sourceforge? Now that you bought the damn site!) The LPI cert is good. Red Hat has a cert, that's great. But we need more colleges to get involved in teaching Linux and getting people certified. -------------------- 8) The freaking desktop environment wars need to end (Listen up KDE and Gnome). Choice is good. People like both or one. I don't like Chevy's. My friend drives a Tahoe. (Won't find that car analogy on slashdot! (don't worry if you don't get that )) Good for him. IT'S HIS DAMN CHOICE. How can we unify if we're already divided? -------------------- 9) The community needs to get out to high schools and offer and after school classes to educate students interested in computer science about Linux. And Linux/Windows existing on the same network. It's not a bad thing people There are tons of mixed networks out there. There's a reason for that. ----------------- 10) We, as in the entire OSS/Linux community need to start touting the positives WITHOUT sounding pompous. Security, less viruses, etc. ---------------- And I could probably go on, but 10 is enough things to rant about. Have a nice day everyone :) Sorry for the horrible formatting. I don't know why it formats like crap on the forums [Modified by: Mike on March 09, 2009 08:52 AM]

I dont hate it....yet! I have had an interest in linux for quite some time now...but none of the distros I've tried have ever worked like they say they do. Debian..knoppix..DSL..are the ones I've tried so far...they all have something that doesnt work quite right.Thats not the thing that gets me. what kills me is these dangblasted forums...you can sit and read for months and never find exactly what your looking for...you can post a hundred questions that get viewed a million times...and no one answers or worse the guy that wants to build up his "post count" to get to the next member level answers with something way off base..... Thats what I am starting to hate about linux... [Modified by: t550cdt on April 13, 2009 09:14 AM]