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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

By Bruce Byfield on August 22, 2007 (9:00:00 AM)

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Users regularly cite lack of compatibility with Microsoft Office files as a reason for not using OpenOffice.org. OpenOffice.org does include Microsoft Office export filters, as well as a number of settings for increased compatibility, but these features provide only good, not complete, compatibility. For this reason, Sun Microsystems' ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office, released earlier this year, sounded like good news. Promising export and import filters for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint, the free download appeared to tackle compatibility from a new but promising angle by giving Microsoft Office users the ability to open and save files in Open Document Format, the default format for OpenOffice.org 2.0 and higher. Unfortunately, the plugin is designed for older versions of Windows and Microsoft Office. If you're using the increasingly ubiquitous Vista and Microsoft Office 2007, the plugin delivers only a fraction of what it promises.

The ODF Plugin is available as a free download under a proprietary but generous license that makes its use free for personal, research, instructional, and commercial uses, barring only distribution by service providers to "affiliated companies or to government agencies" as well as any use in nuclear facilities. The download is over 30MB -- surprisingly large for a set of filters -- but installs easily from a wizard. Once the plugin is installed, the ODF filters are supposed to be available when you save a file.

However, in practice, the plugin is a classic case of good news and bad news.

The good news is that the plugin works almost perfectly when exporting files from Microsoft Word. Where sharing files using Microsoft formats routinely results in a loss of complex formatting, a file saved in Microsoft Word using the ODF plug in opens in OpenOffice.org as smoothly as anyone could desire, despite the warning that some formatting might be lost when you save in ODF format. So long as both programs have access to the same fonts, line breaks remain the same in text paragraphs. Moreover, numbered lists, bulleted lists, cross-references, notes, text frames, graphics, footnotes, tables, word art, line drawings -- in short, most pieces of complex formatting -- make the transition to OpenOffice.org without error.

The sole exception that I could find is Microsoft Word 2007's Smart Art collection, which simplifies the drawing of common diagrams such as organizational charts. However, since OpenOffice.org does not have an equivalent feature, expecting Smart Art to make the transition perfectly is unrealistic. And Smart Art diagrams do open with their organizational blocks intact, lacking only their text, so users can quickly remedy the problem by adding graphical text. Otherwise, the plugin works well when exporting files into OpenOffice.org.

The bad news is that much of what Sun promises in the plugin does not work in Vista and Microsoft Word 2007. Despite what its Web page indicates, the plugin does not allow Microsoft Word to import ODF files. Try, and you only get a message that the file type is not recognized.

The situation is even worse in Excel and PowerPoint. In both of these programs, not only export but import of ODF files is unavailable. In other words, of the six features that the plugin is supposed to have -- export and import to each of three programs -- only one of them actually works in the current versions of the programs for which it is intended.

Granted, the plugin may work better on earlier versions of Windows and Microsoft Office. Yet the question remains: What was Sun doing, releasing a plugin that was obsolete when it was announced? The release dates of Windows Vista and Microsoft Office 2007 were publicized months in advance, so why was the plugin not made compatible with them, even at the cost of a delay? The plugin's performance is all the more disheartening when the one-sixth of the functionality that does work is so successful.

Had the rest of the functionality worked as well, then the plugin would be a must-have for many home and business users. As things are, users can only hope that it is not another promising project that suffers an untimely death solely because its release was badly timed.

Bruce Byfield is a computer journalist who writes regularly for Linux.com.

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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 217.146.112.220] on August 22, 2007 12:48 PM
Microsoft has already said that this is due to a bug in Office 2007, and it should be fixed in an upcoming service release.

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Re: Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 69.1.39.138] on August 22, 2007 01:10 PM
don't take this the wrong way... but... you actually think Microsoft intends to "fix" this problem????

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Why point the finger at Sun?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 72.83.80.174] on August 22, 2007 01:09 PM
Lets face it, OpenOffice and Star Office aren't doing as well as sun had hoped. Sun released the plugin hoping that it would help people who wanted to avoid Vista and Office 2007 migrations move to OpenOffice, not allow people with Vista and Office 2007 to continue to use it. Thats why it was released "obselete", Vista and Office 2007 were not part of their strategic plan.

From a software engineering standpoint, I think it's a little unrealistic to hope that the plugin will work for unreleased platforms. Even if a beta was available to test under, it wasn't the final product. I do think they should have held back on announcing Office 2007 and Vista compatibility until the product was thoroughly tested, but you can't put this all on Sun; at least they are providing an alternative and showing a clear commitment to this product.

I also find it a little odd that you also don't mention any Microsoft liability in this story. Why doesn't the plugin work in Windows Vista / Office 2007? Was Sun truly afforded the ability to thoroughly test it's software against these platforms? Do most other legacy apps still work? The article seems to imply that is the case, since it seems to expect that the Sun plugin should work for the more recent versions of these Microsoft applications. Is there something anticompetitive happening? I'm not saying that there is, because I don't know, but given Microsoft's history of attacking competitor software written for it's own platform, I would have at least looked into it.

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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 88.175.208.153] on August 22, 2007 01:19 PM
it doesn't say anything about Mac version of ms office.
let assume that we will be left on the sand once again.

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Office 2007 is not a significant market yet

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 208.101.168.53] on August 22, 2007 01:32 PM
At the current time, Microsoft is facing an uphill battle in selling users of its previous Office suite the latest iteration, 2007, mainly because 2007 has such a radically different interface, and its native file format is incompatible with those earlier versions. While I agree that Sun should have made sure its plugin worked with 2007, or at least released a separate version for it (and I suspect there are differences under the covers that makes a one-size-fits-all solution impossible), I strongly disagree that they should have delayed the plugin for 2007 users. The vast majority of Office users have not upgraded to 2007, particularly in business (just as those same businesses have not upgraded from XP to Vista. In fact, I know of one business that has just recently gone from NT4 to 2000, with XP sitting on the shelf waiting for next year). Sun needs to supply a working ODF plugin for all versions of MS Office, and its disappointing that the current one isn't there yet, but it's not a crisis or a fatal blow to the project. Tell me that the plugin doesn't work in Office 2000, XP or 2003, and then I'll be concerned.

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OpenOffice.org has more users than Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 129.246.254.228] on August 22, 2007 03:20 PM
I don't know ANYONE who is foolish enough to upgrade to Office 2007. There's absolutely nothing in Office 2007 that would compel anyone to upgrade, and there are a massive number of drawbacks. Office 2007 has a completely different user interface - can you spell "really expensive retraining?". Office 2007 has a radically different file format, that NOBODY else can handle. If you have ANY Macs, anywhere in your company, you can't use the format. If you interact with people who use older versions of Office, you can't either. The XML format is inadequately documented, so the potential benefits of XML are drowned out. And even if you save in ".doc" format from 2007, many other organizations can't handle the format (including the magazine "Nature") FROM THEN ON. So Office 2007 basically corrupts files - who needs that?



Meanwhile, there are LOTS of OpenOffice.org users, as well as other users of OpenDocument. The latest stats show that there are MORE OpenDocument files than Microsoft 2007 files.



I have no doubt that Sun will eventually fix this plugin problem. But since almost no one USES Office 2007 - and won't for some time - Sun has lots of time to fix it. I'm glad they released the plugin NOW, so that the 99.999% of Office users who AVOID Office 2007 can use it NOW.

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Re: OpenOffice.org has more users than Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 134.114.148.77] on August 22, 2007 07:12 PM
Actually 2007 does contain a bunch of features that make using the product much better. All graphs, charts, and tables look much much better. Colors and styles have been updated, and lines and drawn much smoother. The suite now previews changes to the document live, and page numbering has been redone and is no longer such a big pain. Furthermore, word has added a dynamic table of contents generator utilizing the built in styles (that are much prettier than previous versions) and also includes a bibliography generator.

All in all there are actually a list of features that makes it hard to switch back to openoffice or previous versions of office once you have tried them out. While I am a big fan of linux and opensource, and a long time user of openoffice, openoffice has much catching up to do to make it comparable to this release.

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Re(1): OpenOffice.org has more users than Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 81.57.93.81] on August 23, 2007 04:39 PM
Doesn't OOo already have table of contents and bibliography generators?

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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.222.1.154] on August 22, 2007 03:23 PM
". . .delivers only a fraction of what it promises." Isn't that the Vista experience, distilled to its essence?

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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 207.228.164.137] on August 22, 2007 04:06 PM
"increasingly ubiquitous Vista": Based on what numbers? Most IT shops have refused so far to move to Vista; since most MS Office users are corporate users, it makes it less than likely to be true that Vista and Office 2007 is anywhere near ubiquitous; nor will it be anytime soon. Microsoft itself had to extend the life of XP in response to the loud and clear rejection of Vista by corporate users. Vista will end up in the corporate world, probably by the time SP2 comes out...

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That's not all that's borken on Vista: choose XP, Mac, or Linux.

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 208.55.254.110] on August 22, 2007 05:07 PM
Whenever I'm asked about a new purchase of a PC, I advise everyone to ask for an XP generation OS. Also, if the sales organization refuses to comply with the customer's request, I advise going elsewhere. For instance, buying a unit with Linux, Firefox, and Open Office pre-installed, or purchasing a Mac.

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I didn't even know that Sun has a plug-in, but I knew this..

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 83.72.129.159] on August 22, 2007 05:30 PM
..which is Microsoft sponsored:
http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/

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Vista and Office 2007 ubiquitous? Don't think so.

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.192.83.83] on August 22, 2007 07:33 PM
I stopped reading when I read that.

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Sun ODF plugin chokes OpenOffice.org 2.x documents too

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 62.101.232.221] on August 22, 2007 07:37 PM
... which I find rather sad. I use OOo at home and had to send a document to my father by e-mail for printing, thinking it would be easy to use the new plugin on his computer without installing OOo, just "upgrade" his Microsoft Office. The installation went without a problem, but did it work? A very simple .odt file, yet it didn't even open. This was not Microsoft Office 2007, but an earlier version.

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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.131.183.30] on August 22, 2007 08:22 PM
Bottom line: this is an ubiquitous problem in the IT industry - releasing software before it's ready. Everybody does it - open source authors as well as commercial companies. It's the bane of users.

The Ubuntu Wireless Applet wouldn't handle WPA and had a bug with WEP - it got released. KNetworkManager can't start up a DSL interface on boot. And so on and so on.

When are people in IT going to heed to motto: "Release no product before its time"? It's a nightmare for end users.

As Woody Allen said, describing the human condition in five words that applies in spades to the IT industry:

"Nothing works and nobody cares."

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Re: Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 144.135.7.252] on August 23, 2007 07:19 AM
If every company followed your lead

The most complex software available would be Pong

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Re: Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 212.123.2.76] on August 23, 2007 11:44 AM
The real problem is to allow a piece of software that has such large market share, to have a non-open, non-standardized file format. And don't start about that OOXML+ISO b*ll.

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so much for the interoperability

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 82.193.101.212] on August 23, 2007 11:48 AM
...on MSFT side. They were used to elaborate Samba breakage, too.

--
Michael Shigorin

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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 85.176.149.214] on August 26, 2007 08:55 AM
This is not a problem of Sun and OpenOffice.org, but one of Microsoft. Of course, it would be good, if the plugin worked for all versions of Windoze and M$Office, so that nobody could say, he wasn't able to bring me his documents in odf-format. But which software does really work with Vista? How should Sun make a plugin that works with Office07 when M$ does all to keep people from knowing, how their things work? Even Microsofts own Software doesn't work with their own products (see M$ Powertoys for XP for instance).
I think the question is more, why should I use Office07 and a Sun plugin, when I could use a better programm (OOo) for more than 400$ less and with the guarantee to use free software? And what is even more, why should I use Vista and Office07? As long as I am not forced to do, I won't!!
So please, before you point the finger at Sun, ask yourself, what M$ did to support the international standard odf. And then ask yourself, if there is a way to avoid Vista and Office07 and use either Linux or a better version of Windows and M$Office.

just my 2 cents

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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 83.23.17.49] on August 27, 2007 12:53 AM
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Management dispises Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 63.252.248.40] on August 28, 2007 04:56 AM
"increasingly ubiquitous Vista and Microsoft Office 2007"

WHAT?!?! Sorry kids, but the company I work for is delaying the adoption of Vista AND Office 2007. Mainly Office 2007, because the learning curve for users is ridiculous. Most people I've talked to have uninstalled Office 2007 and gone back to Office 2003, including the executives of the company I work for.

I very much doubt that this is going to do anything but convince more people to abandon Office and adopt OO. YAY! :)

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Re: Management despises Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 63.252.248.40] on August 28, 2007 05:02 AM
Argh! Firefox didn't check my title spelling, sorry.

But to stress my theme... Management does DESPISE Office 2007. :)

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Sun ODF plugin chokes on Office 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 141.163.130.22] on August 30, 2007 12:55 PM
I love Office 2007. I had no trouble adapting to the new interface and my Dad who is godawful with pcs has adapted really quickly. To ease his transition i took the logical step of making office save all files in the original .doc.ppt and .xls format which is dead simple to do and something i wish my uni would do.
Vista is a bit of a compromise, i prefer the user interface and the search features, but i hate how system intensive it can be. Id switch to linux if i could be bothered but i would miss office 2007 and have less and less time to make system alterations.

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