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License change makes software more attractive for the community

By Tina Gasperson on October 22, 2007 (9:00:00 PM)

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Dimdim calls itself the world's first free Web meeting service based on an open source platform. Users can share their desktops and files while chatting and videoconferencing with meeting participants. Dimdim was originally licensed under the Mozilla Public License (MPL), but the possibility of a big deal with a university made Dimdim executives eventually change to the GNU General Public License (GPL) instead. By changing the software's license from the MPL to the GPL, "we are making it easier for the community to use our product," says Dimdim founder DD Ganguly.

The founding team of Dimdim was working together on other projects from disparate locations and needed a way to share and discuss files in a meeting-like setting. "There was nothing available that was cost-effective," Ganguly says. So the group decided it was time to create its own Web-based meeting application. "We had two ideas: to really simplify the Web meeting experience, and to change the pricing so that it was available to any organization."

Right from the start, Ganguly and his team knew that they wanted to release their product under the terms of an open source license. "The first link on a Google search for databases is MySQL," Ganguly says. "That's because of the democratization process of open source. We knew we wanted to make our software available to everybody."

Dimdim started out licensed under the MPL because Ganguly believed that the project deserved to be recognized. The MPL is commonly referred to as the "attribution license" because of its requirement that any derivative works carry the name of the project from which the code was received.

"There was some concern that people have voiced about the MPL and attribution," Ganguly says. "They see that as a move toward some sort of trademarking, and that wasn't our intent. Our intent was to see that we got some credit for what we were doing."

That desire for credit was subverted to the desire for income when Ganguly got word that the University of UmeƄ in Sweden and the Vaasa University of Applied Sciences in Finland wanted to begin using Dimdim and paying for support. "They woke us up in the middle of the night and said they wanted to use it, but they didn't like the MPL," Ganguly says. "We realized that there was a negative association with the MPL that outweighed the positives."

Ganguly says one of the biggest challenges of marketing an open source product is that customers need to be convinced they're dealing with a stable company. "People ask us, how are you going to make money with open source. We talk about companies like JBoss and Red Hat and MySQL. We pull out the slide shows and explain the open source process. The customers just want to know they're dealing with a company that has a sustainable business model and will continue to be in business."

Ganguly says Dimdim has received a lot of attention. "The benefits we have seen [of being open source] are quite amazing. We've gotten tremendous feedback about the exact features people want. Our investors came to us and we didn't have to go out looking. Our customers have come to us. I did another startup, a proprietary product, at the height of the dot-com boom. We were right in the middle of the action, but nobody had heard about us. But with Dimdim, when we look at Google, it's amazing that in Argentina, where we have made no effort to market the product, people have actually heard of Dimdim and are searching on that word specifically. Somehow, people over there have heard about us. This democratization process is really working, and it's because of open source."

Ganguly says if he could go back to the beginning and do one thing different, it would be to release Dimdim under the GPL from the beginning. "The licensing change was avoidable. There's really no need to use the MPL. It's not so much about the legal terms, but there's a perception that the GPL is more open source. That is something I missed because I looked more at the legalese because I though it was important -- but at the end of the day, it really wasn't so important."

Tina Gasperson writes about business and technology from an open source perspective.

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live dvd for intranet

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.122.165.195] on October 22, 2007 09:38 PM
Make a live cd/dvd that installs on a school principles computer. Any number of other computers on campus initialy to save installation cost use a usb for wireless interconnectivity. Plug a usb into the main computer and copy install programs for the others. When the usb with software is pluged into the other computers they talk to the principles computer and install neccessary software that contains a suit that stores teaching material and facilitates its use and distribution within the local net work. Security issues are minimized as it has no external connections.

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Proof that the GPL is good for business

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 151.188.247.104] on October 23, 2007 01:07 AM

Now, *this* is pragmatism. Choosing the GPL because it protects users' freedoms best is what these universities wanted. So, a Free Software company is making money by...OMG...protecting freedom! If that belief makes me, or these universities, a member of a "cult", then HOORAY and I'm proud to be a member!



Join us now and share the software

You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free!

Join us now and share the software

You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free!



You'll also, as this example shows, be even freer to actually make honest money. ;-) Thank you, Red Hat, MySQL, JBoss, et. al, for showing us how to do it.



--SYG

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Horrible name

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 169.233.25.226] on October 23, 2007 01:20 AM
Dimdim? Seriously? DimDim?
I guess that can also be used to describe the Linux.com developers tha coded the comment handlers.

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Re: Horrible name

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 76.110.143.166] on October 23, 2007 03:43 AM
Or maybe 'dee dee dee!'
(Reference: Carlos Mencia)

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License change makes software more attractive for the community

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 171.161.48.16] on October 23, 2007 07:54 AM
i think its a catchy name :)

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vector simd and compresive sampling as teaching tool

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.122.165.195] on October 23, 2007 08:52 PM
Provide a easily accessed, web cam, white board, data capture (record and replay). For tutorial centers, (commercial, puplic-community colledge tutor labs-, private services), work with an after school hours, tv broadcast of answers to the most common questions.- 1)students call by phone or computer a tutor. 2) they are placed on hold having been routed to a group defined by the type of question beeing asked. 3) tutors answere the question of the largest waiting group on tv. 4) students that keep asking the same question are prioritized and given individual help as a cirtain preliminary skill or knowledge may be needed. 5) all tutorials are recorded and placed into a library (expert system- should be no problem with Microsoft auto help supposed patent issued Jan 20 2004.) 6) students on hold can listen and view previous tutorials addressing simmilar questions while waiting for a real time tutorial. - Schools could werehouse internet requests, (cache them), particularly assingment and fact based specific searches. This would reduce bandwidth, cost of repetitive access, and were a specific assignment mite be resoved by hours of research a representitive sample allowing a student to spend an educational amount of time of 5-10 minutes mite make the educational proccess more efficient. A national, state, and local application would afford overlaping benifits. Unemployed teachers could be used as tutors, commercial, government and private institutions interested in advancing puplic education could participate and filter information respetivly. As they may wish to apply or restrict a cultural, geographic, political, religious bias to content. As curiki is allready organized it mite be used as a repository or other curriculum projects such as public broadcasting, or other universities.

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Google search for "database"

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 81.86.248.116] on October 23, 2007 10:00 PM
<<"The first link on a Google search for databases is MySQL," Ganguly says.>>
Not when I did it:
A sponsored link then
Wikipedia
Webopedia
Entrez (Who?)
Oracle
etc, etc, etc
MySQL was 12th

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Open Source? Presenter can only use IE!

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 59.101.109.154] on October 25, 2007 12:03 AM
This looked *so* promising until I downloaded the PDFs "dimdim Introduction" & "dimdim specifications". Both documents say, "supported platforms for the presenter are: Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows 2000 or higher. The Presenter will also need the Flash plugin." I can deal with Flash (I guessed that would be what they used as a presentation platform) but IE on Windows? Are you kidding me? The attendees can use, "Internet Explorer 6.0 or FireFox 1.5 (both browsers with Flash) on Windows 2000 or higher." I thought that this software would be OS agnostic, or is it only the documentation that sucks?

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