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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

By Michael Reed on June 27, 2008 (9:00:00 PM)

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With Ubuntu, Canonical has had notable success in convincing people to switch from other platforms, but potential Ubuntu users are still running into trouble in several areas. Having spent some time on Canonical's forums, I've identified 10 points that seem to be common sticking points for new users -- that is, problems that have the potential to prevent a new user from adopting Ubuntu in the long term. These problems span the entire Ubuntu experience, but they all have two things in common: they are all serious enough to evoke the dreaded "I tried Linux but it didn't work" excuse, and they are all solvable.

Screen setup

Ubuntu is still bad at properly detecting and setting up the display. Once it's gone wrong, there isn't much you can do from the GUI setup tool -- it either lies about your screen settings or offers inappropriate screen modes. Anyone for 640x480@52Hz on a 19-inch CRT?

This is probably the most frequently reported complaint on the beginner forum. Other operating systems can set up the screen, so why can't Linux?

From the user perspective, the solution involves some research and the editing of the xorg.conf config file. This is bad, because if the user makes a single mistake -- presuming the typical user is resourceful enough to make it this far -- it's all too easy to render the whole Ubuntu setup unusable.

This problem is so widely acknowledged as a weakness of Ubuntu that I was surprised that Ubuntu 8.04 was still getting it wrong. Ubuntu should use its leadership muscle to create a robust, reliable solution from scratch or champion an existing project.

Boot management

I'm against the idea of making things unnecessarily flashy, but GRUB is both feature-poor and complicated to configure.

Smart Boot Manager is a boot manager that has more run-time configuration features than GRUB without being frivolous. Other boot managers, such as GAG, offer an attractive GUI interface. Both of these GRUB alternatives that I mentioned are GPL projects.

Having the boot manager overwritten by a Windows upgrade is another common complaint. A feature to reinstate the boot manager from the install disk menu would help people who can no longer boot Ubuntu.

Mounting

It's a shame that Ubuntu doesn't come with a GUI tool to configure the boot-time mounting of new partitions. Most advice on this issue revolves around editing /etc/fstab. A common complaint is that the partition can be seen but the permissions are wrong. There are a few other gotchas that can come up when a user is trying to make the system recognise a new partition.

Such a utility could be added to the live CD, as mounting a partition from the command line is difficult for non-experts.

Installation

I have a pet niggle with the Ubuntu installer: it's not very forgiving of network errors, often hanging at about 92%. I suspect that Ubuntu pings a test server, and if it receives a reply, assumes that the machine is connected to the Internet. The snag is that there is a class of networking problems that only affect DNS resolution.

The workaround for this problem is simple: disconnect from the network before beginning the install.

Ideally, the Ubuntu installer would pop up a warning when its attempt to connect to the server has failed, then finish the install. I'd settle for an error box stating that the install couldn't complete, accompanied with advice about how to proceed. Even a note saying, "If the installer stops at 92%, try installing without the network connected" would be better than an installer that stops dead with no explanation.

Sound configuration

Sound under Linux is a bit of a mess. There are a lot of different systems, and a lot of overlapping functionality. This needn't matter if the system sets itself up properly, but sound setup on Linux is hardly what I would call robust. As a result, when things go wrong, users have to hit the forums and the config files.

Some users report that sound is working but that only one program can use it at once. In extreme situations, this may lead to people switching off system alert sounds so that application sound works. Sometimes people can't get sound working in Web videos in Firefox. The common fixes for that problem can leave them with a system in which sound works only in Firefox.

Canonical is trying to solve the Linux sound problem by standardising on ALSA with Pulse Audio. This combination has the potential to be a killer system in the long run, but at the moment a lot of people can't get their sound up and running.

Networking: IPv6 support

Version 4 of the Internet Protocol (the layer that connects software to the Internet) is in the process of being superseded by version 6. By default, Ubuntu supports the new version, but many Internet service providers have not switched over yet. When IPv6 support has not been implemented properly by an ISP or by a broadband router, an Ubuntu user can experience slow access or even a total lack of access to the Internet.

From reading the forums it seems that Ubuntu may have defaulted to IPv6 support too early. IPv4 support can be re-enabled, but it involves editing configuration files. If Canonical has decided to be ahead of the curve, it should make it easier for people to switch back to IPv4.

I wonder how many people have given up on Ubuntu because Web browsing seemed slow? I suspect that some people are left thinking that Ubuntu doesn't support their network hardware, but in fact they were running afoul of incompatibilities with the new IP standard.

A simple check-box configuration for switching between IPv4/6 would save a lot of headaches for users who have run into problems.

Power and hibernation

Power management is vital for laptop users, and hibernating a desktop computer can be a cool approach to startup and shutdown.

Canonical should intensify its efforts in this area, because for most users, a laptop that doesn't sleep properly is a broken laptop. Ubuntu features a hardware testing and reporting application, but it didn't even prompt me for details about my experiences with power management.

Email migration

One of the most common things that new users want to do is migrate their email from their Windows setup. If they were lucky enough to be using a client such as Thunderbird on Windows, they can migrate their email with a combination research and some complicated file copying, all within an unfamiliar interface. Transferring email from the most popular Windows email client, Outlook Express, is even more complicated.

This process could be made more approachable with some prominent documentation, or even an email migration tool. I regard this as a fix rather than an enhancement as it refers to such a common and vital activity.

Documentation

How about providing some documentation to help get new users started, covering topics such as "Internet and networking problems" and "Getting the screen set up"? The Ubuntu team could produce a list, like this one, describing some of the most common problems that users are likely to encounter and make some simple suggestions.

Building from source

Ubuntu's package management implementation constitutes a significant enticement for the potential switcher in its own right. However, building packages from source is unavoidable when a desired package isn't in the repositories or the version in the repositories is out of date.

The build instructions in most source packages put the package manager out of sync with the actual packages that are installed. Why doesn't Canonical standardise on one of the GUI build tools in tandem with Checkinstall? Checkinstall installs the compiled application but works with the package manager to keep it in sync with the real state of the system.

By addressing these 10 points, Canonical can improve the Ubuntu experience for new users, and retain more of them who might otherwise become frustrated by problems with relatively simple fixes.

Michael Reed writes about technology, retro computing, geek culture, and gender. He's a also a musician, bicyclist, and comedy writer.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 164.73.36.229] on June 27, 2008 09:29 PM
Interesting, and i mostly agree. I would put suspending and hibernating first and foremost, followed by sound (a problem i don't have), and adding the robustness of the support for flash in websites. To keep it at 10 i'd remove the documentation point... Any of these problems should be solveable without resorting to any doc, they should be trivial (like the mount app example: it there's a easy to use app that just works, nobody will look for documentation). Another point i don't agree is compiling... It IS important, but Ubuntu won't "win the desktop" making easy to compile random junk from repositories. I think is much critical reaching stability in what we have NOW. Like it's pretty silly that the gnome's panel drawer is unusable, and been like that since desktop effects are default, or the abovementioned flash hell that kills browsers randomly while watching youtube, or sound glitches.
In other works, i think Ubuntu should push towards robustness of the desktop.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 82.234.124.11] on June 28, 2008 01:55 AM
i totally agree with you. power management should be number one, then the sound problem which i currently dont have, but knowing people who ive installed ubuntu on their systems, i can tell you, its a hassle to change some code just to get the sound running. oh yeah, browsing is third, because the average computer user is going to spend half of their time if not more on a website, and if this website requires some kind of flash media for example like some NEWS websites and it doesnt work, the user feels incapable of using the internet. documentation is useful, but not so important, the windows to ubuntu migration tools are also not priority, if everything works i think most people would consider starting a new fresh beginning with ubuntu. gnome panel drawer doesnt work!! i dont think so. it is working as far as i know. i have a Dell pc which cant restart nor hibernate. it can only shutdown. i have to say, it makes me feel like an incapable user, which i dont like to feel. that needs to change!! what is a notebook user gonna do when the computer cant hibernate. the data will be lost when the laptop reaches its battery limit. simply said. ubuntu is not always compatible with notebooks. that with the package manager and keeping it sync is quite important i have to say, ubuntu has to be able to run on more computer fluently before the last touches of perfection are added. i dont really have problems installing and removing software although it could be easier. i still enjoy the big variety of software available. oh well, we can only wait.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 79.77.162.13] on June 27, 2008 09:34 PM
Just a couple of things I don't agree with:
Mounting - There is a tool in the repo's the NTFS Configuration Tool http://www.ntfs-3g.org. I think it would be a better idea to ask during install (when it asks if you want to import accounts may be a good time) if you have NTFS partitions that you want to auto mount and set the system up to do so. However it's not particularly difficult to find the windows partitions under the Places menu and click on them.

Documentation - You obviously didn't find the Help and Support item under the System menu.

Building from source - No way can I believe that the average windows user is ever going to want to try and build a package from source, let alone worry about the package manager being out of sync, so I don't think this would be a deal breaker for anyone intending to move over to Ubuntu.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 63.118.233.100] on June 30, 2008 02:14 PM
The ntfs-3g tools do not work for everyone properly including myself and I have tried them on 3 different systems.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 83.86.84.108] on June 27, 2008 10:08 PM
I would like to add Firefox totem plug-in to the list of things that will annoy new users, even experienced ones. There are 3 critical limitations with totem Firefox plugin:

1. Viewing streaming video is bad since it doesn't handle buffering so well. (e.g. try watching a 480p/720p/1080p video on www.apple.com/trailers with a 1 mbit/s connection).

2. You can't scrub through the clip once it's already playing.

3. You can't replay the video once it's done playing.

To reproduce the above check with www.apple.com/trailers

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 200.88.184.221] on June 30, 2008 06:45 PM
install the mozilla-mplayer get it in synaptic

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 80.48.123.77] on June 27, 2008 10:18 PM
I just can't believe what I just read. You must be kidding. Ubuntu installation takes up to half an hour. It's very easy, sets up everything automatically. There are no graphics problems, sound problems, boot problems. Power management and hibernation work well. Haven't tried IPv6. E-mail migration also works nice, detects Windows and the used e-mail client (either outlook of thunderbird).
As for the documentation I agree, not much help really.
And lastly building from source... Dude, either install a source Linux distro (like Gentoo) and don't use the binary distributions if you want to build from source or install the necessary *-dev packages before attempting to build something yourself. Honestly: I never had any problems when compiling something under Ubuntu...

And no, I'm not an Ubuntu evangelist, I prefer Gentoo, to be honest. Gives you more control, but with a little tweaking you can archive the same results on Ubuntu. :)

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 156.108.0.70] on June 27, 2008 10:27 PM
You didn't have any of those problems, but this is a top ten distilled from the forums and message boards. People are having these problems, or they'd not be posting about them.

And I am an Ubuntu evangelist, just a realistic one. We've got a helluva distro here, and I'd love it if, in the next release they focused on making what's there work right more often, which it appears they are intending to do.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 213.130.123.226] on June 28, 2008 08:50 AM
You are talking from your point of view and your experience. This article however is well-researched and outlines the problems faced by a lot of new Ubuntu users . If you check out the forums , these are the problems actually being faced by a lot of users.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 193.179.65.254] on June 30, 2008 03:54 PM
You've obviously never run into a problem trying to install Ubuntu on a system with a 19" widescreen LCD. The display detection is basically broken, and if you're lucky, you'll end up booting to 640x480. But just as easily you can get to a point where the display won't work at all, 'cause Ubuntu tries to use an incompatible mode, despite what you told it to. And then the only way to fix it is to ssh in from another machine and manually hack xorg.conf.

And let's not even get into hibernate. I've tried to make it work on three separate installs, and it simply DOES NOT WORK on most systems.

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Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 192.168.118.40] on July 02, 2008 12:05 AM
Worst of all, when it gets the display wrong and uses 640x480 safe mode the "Next" button for the installer is OFF THE SCREEN.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 70.95.186.152] on June 27, 2008 10:29 PM
I seriously question the priority of your 10 sticking points.

I assume (hate that word, don't you?) that it is in order by installation to griping...

BUT! there are really only 2 problems, and you don't have them high enough!!

!) Documentation. Period, almost. I have been in computers since slide rules were in use, by everyone! Before the Bomar Brain. Back in the Stone Age, when punch paper tape, punch cards and flipping switches were input methods. I understand most of computer theory, several computer languages, know how to tweak windows, to actually make it kind work, sort of...

I gave a serious attempt to using linux years ago. It really was not ready for prime time.

A few months ago, I had my last Window blow up, and swore I would use Linux.

I installed Ubuntu, Feisty.

I have 'Linux for Idiots', "Ubuntu Linux' and several great links to sites, I manage to find that have some really cool tweaks, tools and suggestons.

But, by and large, Linux needs some serious documentation writers.
1 !!! Writers that do NOT think in Linux.
2 !!! Writers that do NOT 'ASSUME' you know all that they know - most of which they forgot to put into their instructions.
3 !!! Writers that do NOT use overly technical idiomatic expressions of industry standard obtuseness..

Just a basic example. I have yet to find a complete and easily understandable set of instructions for installing.
Note: I said complete... understandable. The terms are not mutual exclusions when writing instructions. I have found a few (the ones using Synaptic or Add Remove, are often incomplete in that basic set up is ok, but necessary goodies are not easily identified.

But, when you get to installing .tar files, or .bin, something is clearly not clear. After many frustrating months, I have gotten all the file types to install, in one form or another (except .tar with any hope of regularity). But, I feel, Ubuntu is not for the faint of heart.

I even spent some time with CNR. It has its points, but, its restrictions often include software I want, that they don't have, that is otherwise only available in .tar.gz format. My chances are better at getting a date with Racquel Welsh...


The basic Ubuintu set up has some crappy 5* games. Kubuntu has a much better Sodoku, but, not simple to find (as is the better Texas Hold'em... Neither having the max stars, though the Sodoku clearly is better than the Ubuntu version.

Much about identifying hardware was resolved, but if you have a sound card on a system with on chip sound, you will go crazy going from one to the other, as the system has its monthly cycle.

There is seemingly crappy support for Camera card hardware, and no quickly findable instructions for getting non-disk devices found, if not discovered. (And once found, they are apt to disappear.

The problem still goes back to crappy documentation. I am neither the only one, nor the last one, to run into this documentation miasma. Until it is cleared up, Linux and Ubuntu (Kubuntu, etc) will have ongoing non-acceptance.

2) Hardware problems, as noted, but, it still is a documentationi problem. I also understand the driver problems with the industry and Linux (don't you wish you had half the money Microsoft spends on keeping it that way??). But, finding the resources to use your resources is not simple.

PS: I know how to use search engines, and how to find things, thank you. But, Having to dig through White and Black hat sites in hopes of finding what is needed, poses unnecessary risks, sometime, of being identified as a target of opportunity... thank you...

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 128.36.117.70] on July 08, 2008 09:51 PM
Lack of documentation is one of the main reasons I stopped using linux and switched to FreeBSD. The difference is remarkable.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 208.74.247.253] on October 29, 2008 01:10 PM
I have tried Linux several times. First in the mid 90's, then again in the the early 2000's, and again in 2008. I fully agree that there is no understandable documentation for a new user. So, I went to some of the Linux discussion groups and newsgroups. I found many people who responded as if I was a total idiot, and many were quite rude. The few who really did attempt to help me, continued to use terms that left me more confused. With all the distros of Linux, how come none of them can make an install CD that just installs the entire operating system without user intervention. MS Windows has been doing this for years, where the user only has to enter their timezone, and are given the opportunity to select the items installed or not. Once installed, Windows is pretty much ready to use. I dont much care for Windows, particularly the direction that it is heading. I'd like an alternative. But aside from buying a Macintosh, my PC computers are locked into Microsoft. Linux is often referred to as the alternative to Windows, but it's simply not for the average home or small business computer user. I keep asking why? Dedicated Linux users claim their OS is the best, yet none of them ever make a Distro that is usable for the average guy. Once again, much of the problem is the documentation, but it also seems that the installation process could be made to be automatic, if the Linux developers really wanted to promote their OS. I often get the feeling that Linux users and developers dont want the avarage guy to use Linux. They are like an exclusive country club, where only the elite are allowed. I'd like to get rid of MS software, but I know it's not going to be Linux, at least not anytime soon. I have no intention of trying Linux again.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 89.243.250.150] on June 27, 2008 11:00 PM
I have my screen working ok since ubuntu 6.04 but why on hardy 8.04 the screen is not correct? Is it a mistake of ubuntu or xorg?

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 82.143.241.183] on June 27, 2008 11:15 PM
You say:

"I've identified 10 points that seem to be common sticking points for new users"

Great! Now, first sentence in the "Installation" point says:

"I have a pet niggle with the Ubuntu installer"

So, just to get things straight. What you did was to identify 10 points about where Ubuntu fails for a lot of people, and then you ignored your research and wrote about the problems you happen to face? Interesting...

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 79.129.225.11] on June 27, 2008 11:16 PM
Well, I didn't have any of these problems with Hardy (except for hibernation, which I really don't care much about), but I had two complaints not included in the list:

1) Somebody in the Ubuntu developing team had the "brilliant" idea of changing the name of libglib1.2 to libglib1.2ldbl. As a result, it is impossible to install a number of programs and drivers that depended on it.

2) I found it impossible to get clear and crisp fonts in Ubuntu, something quite easily accomplished in openSUSE 11, for example.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 213.180.179.66] on June 30, 2008 09:27 AM
To fix your first problem, just create a symlink to the file.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 89.8.39.50] on June 28, 2008 12:34 AM
Basicly , there are only a few things I dont like with Ubuntu:
1: Its my opinion that bugfixing needs higher priority
2: The Kernel could be closer to vanilla
3: More changes to be administered upstream
4: Need for consolidation

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 190.200.223.128] on June 28, 2008 01:53 AM
I AM AN ADVANCED UBUNTU USER AND THIS IS RIGHT NOT ONLY FOR NEW BEGINERS, ITS RIGHT FOR EVERYBODY

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.45.236.21] on June 28, 2008 02:12 AM
Caps fail, much?

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 190.200.223.128] on June 28, 2008 01:55 AM
Please.... Please....
Send a copy of this article to Canonical.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 58.179.108.165] on June 28, 2008 03:10 AM
The grub one kinda stupid. Reason grub does have good config tools. Just Ubuntu does not ship with them.

The two boot other boot managers pointed to fail on particular hardware combination. There are more than 1 reason why grub or lilo is chosen they integrate into kernel updates and numbers of filesystem supported.

Grub sad to say in background has more features than SBM. Most importantly filesystem support. Grub 2 is far more powerful than current Grub legacy distros are shipping with. Grub 2 interface is completely change able by plugins.

Sound configuration Its a myth that there are lots of different audio systems in Linux. Please refer to http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Audio_Stack Now out of that List. Alsa OSS FFADO are you driver layours and FFADO is for firewire. Alsa and OSS are two different sources of drivers both provide emulation of each other.

Sound Servers Pulseaudio and Jack is about all that is going to be left alive. Important issue you don't need a sound server at all to run sound on Linux. So Pulseaudio should always be a optional part.

Ubuntu has enabled Pulseaudio way way too soon in there distro and caused some major problems. So far we have been recommending that Ubuntu users uninstall Pulseaudio and setup alsa as per http://alsa-project.org Ubuntu stoped dmix from being activated for some cards that has made removing troublesum Pulseaudio harder.

Helix and Gstreammer are the two codec engines. So really its no where near as complex as people try to make out.

Email migration users see it as a issue. I will be simple here if you foolish enough to be using outlook express a closed source program and expect any kind of friendly migration to another platform you are fooling your self. With updates MS can change the storage format of that program. Migration issues really need to be taken up with the program involved. Cross platform form of backups is needing. Distros cannot fix these evils simplely.

Most of the issues are the normal complaints about non complete configuration tools.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 202.65.83.23] on June 28, 2008 03:52 AM
Actually, I've found ?ubuntu quite okay. I prefer Kubuntu the most & like Xubutu too.
However Mepis has a good Grub installer ( & reinstall) as well as X-windows.
It is a pain when you lose Ubuntu by installing M$ after it crashes & so you lose Grub
Mepis is a winnner here with its grub re-install.

P.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 78.32.53.65] on June 28, 2008 04:12 AM
Most of these points have already been solved by PCLinuxOS, although there is still room for improvement. Good hardware detection, obvious offline access to a range of detailed documentation, effective sound detection and management, better (and more attractive) boot management with easy reinstallation of the bootloader from liveCD (all GUI based), more reliable installation...

If it wasn't for the extra advertising Ubuntu gets from its release scheduling PCLinuxOS would still be the world's most popular distro, and its really not hard to see why.

Ubuntu has a lot to offer, but it also has a lot to learn (from other distros).

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 213.180.179.66] on June 30, 2008 10:28 AM
The problem with PCLinuxOS is: it has a stupid name.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 69.227.136.151] on June 28, 2008 04:33 AM
Screen setup- They should drop the lower resolution.. I think 800 x 600 should work for anybody these days..The other issues with configuring have to do with proprietary vs open source drivers (at least for me). once I install the nvidia driver, everything is peachy.

Boot Management- Grub is fine.. those problems you mention with configuration are rare, and if you are running into them, then you are doing something at a level where you can handle configuring. I would write to those dudes at Microsoft about overwriting grub.. but it is fixable as I am sure you have found out.

Mounting- I don't see the problem here.. the permissions are set up they way they are to keep the less knowledgeable from screwing up.. and again when you get to the level where you need to do this, it's not that complicated. It's like saying everyone should just be a Windows "power user" without having to learn or read anything.

Installation - network connection Has always worked for me.. can't comment on that.. but starting the installation from a boot CD wouldn't your connection already be disconnected ?

Sound Configuration- No problems here.. I did many long ago in the early days of Linux.. course may have to do with various hardware.. my last 3 computers have all had onboard sound.. and actually the last sound problem I had, was to try and get an old DOS game (Duke Nukem3d) to work. Was successful too.. but that is perhaps the opposite problem of people with add on sound cards.

Networking: IPv6 support- Once again, not my experience.. but if it's a problem for some people then they should fix it.

Power and hibernation- Not a laptop guy.. but definitely fix it. I actually as a desktop user had some issues that were across many distros with the Power-Now function causing random freezes.. and Ubuntu was like one of the few that didn't.. perhaps that's why the laptops functions were not working.. maybe it needed fixing to not screw up desktop users.. (Don't know just posing a theory)

Email Migration - Seems to work from Linux to Linux, but sure it should be made to work with Windows if it's not.

Documentation- There is some there.. no it's not enough.. and now that you bring it up.. let me ask you that if when you run into a problem where the documentation is "not so great" that you write up some documentation and submit it !! Some of the best documentation I have found, is in user forums. I would also point out that Windows documentation sucks too.. but unlike open source you can not write up documentation and submit it to be included in the next release.

Building from source- Here we again come to the point, that when you are at the level where you need to do this, you are at the level where you know that there are certain problems to address. It is now so extremely rare to find a program that needs to be compiled from source that is not in a repository.. and then if you look in say the "experimental" repo you might find it solving all these problems you talk about. Here is the quote of the day.. "Complicated things, are complicated" .. if you want an uncomplicated user experience, then don't do anything that is to complicated for you.












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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.240.183.122] on June 28, 2008 04:35 AM
Network manager. Doesn't manage Sprint/Verizon wireless well. Doesn't detect dial-up connections. VPN support was broken until recently, requiring 'sudo route add ...' stuff. A serious annoyance.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 216.99.55.70] on June 28, 2008 05:17 AM
I must say that I have experienced almost ALL OF THE 10 points mentioned! I love ubuntu, but it made me pull my hair a few time over graphics card (my latest problems with my mythtv box in my living room), sound issues on my new computer, boot management etc.

For me, at this point in history and techno age, Ubuntu should be able to recognise the screen resolution your working at and give you a plug and play experience rather than having to spend time changing parameter in a .conf file. I think that this article points out that the basics need to be convered for an everyday user. The basics these days are video screen res, sound, adding new hard drives easyer, internet connection, browsing, music & video playback(including web stuff).

Cover the basics an people will be flocking over Linux operating systems rather than find themselves flocking to forums to trouble shoot.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.202.120.163] on June 28, 2008 06:20 AM
I think this is an excellent overview of the situation. And very timely for me -- I switched over to Ubuntu in late May, and had a pretty easy time of it. My initial install went easily and quickly, and I was able to get help on a couple of small config details from the Ubuntu forums in a matter of hours every time.

That said, two updates in three days earlier this week led first to my network breaking, and then to my screen resolution stumbling down to 640x480. When the latter problem persisted despite my resetting it several times in the system setup, I surprised myself by reaching for my XP install disc and taking a giant step backwards. (I also found the email migration problems to be significant back in May).

All that said, I was in the position of already having purchased a licensed copy of XP (back in January when the pc was new). And despite my (admittedly minor) problems with Ubuntu, I'll probably go back to Linux when it's time to finally leave XP. For now, the delights of a more configurable system, eschewing Redmond, being virus-care free and having built-in access to things like terminal are taking a back seat to easier gaming, the old-shoe familiarity of Windows, and not having to maintain a crappy old second pc so that I can keep using Dreamweaver and Citrix seamlessly for work.

Anyway, I know my experience is atypical, but I wanted to give some background on why I found this article to be well-informed, well-intentioned and well-considered. YMMV.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.251.89.217] on June 28, 2008 06:55 AM
"Ubuntu's package management implementation constitutes a significant enticement for the potential switcher in its own right. However, building packages from source is unavoidable when a desired package isn't in the repositories or the version in the repositories is out of date."

I have no idea what this means. Compiling is not unique to gnu/linux, and calling it unavoidable seems like you are listening to too many trolls.

Implicit in this argument though is a real problem. apt breaks from time to time. I have installed Ubuntu on maybe 10 different systems, and never had any of the above 10 problems. Not saying they don't exist. Only that I cannot comment on them with experience, except for the compiling one.

However, from time to time, apt breaks things. Unmet dependencies, network errors, or other reasons causes some problem where the system is broken. Usually I can fix it, but it is not always easy. Just tried to install vlc on one computer, and it broke things. Can't install anything else, or even remove it easily. Apt should NEVER break. ever.

My mother uses Ubuntu, and has no problems with any of the booting, resolution, etc. But if apt ever breaks (so far so good), it is going to be trouble. A broken app can be reinstalled. A broken package manager hoses the system.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: RandyNose on June 28, 2008 06:56 AM
I think this article is spot on. Most of the problems are going to be show stoppers, even for people that aren't computer/Linux newbies. Ubuntu should be easy for a noob, and powerful for the experienced computer user. These problems need to be addressed, and in what order, I think that it matters little, but Sound Issues, and Screen Issues will kill the joy of the Linux experience, no matter the experience level of the user. - It will be a hard sell to try to turn someone on to Linux if they can't see or hear or boot their machine. On the up side, with the less then two years that I've been using Ubuntu, it's improved, and in great strides compared to those other two OS's. -

- What I'm curious about, is what are the programs that people remove and replace on Ubuntu? Do most people remove totem and replace it with Mplayer? or VLC? What about the plethora of music players? There sure seems to be a bunch of duplication in that department. What has the best Podcast Support? Video Support? Or both? And works solid? So while things aren't perfect, nor will they ever be, addressing at least one or two problems cuts the list from 10 to 8. :)
- Anyhow, I just wanted to put my 2 cents in and say, Good Article.
Thanks, Randy

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This is what Canonical does

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.131.212.144] on June 28, 2008 07:18 AM
"Ubuntu has enabled Pulseaudio way way too soon in there distro and caused some major problems."

They always do this with every release - release something that isn't ready for prime time, then fail to QA it.

I can't recommend (x)buntu for new users simply because they do this. They want to be cutting edge at the same time as new user friendly - and you can't do that. At least, not without a LOT of QA.

All in the all, the article is pretty correct. Most Linux distros have these problems. Some have more of one sort than another, but they all have similar issues. Having tried Mandriva and Kubuntu, I've ended up with openSUSE 10.3 (eventually to be 11.0) which has everything and does pretty much everything with much less reliance on the command line and much fewer bugs than either of the other two distros I've tried.

But even they have one or two stupid things, eg, a software installer that insists on refreshing all the repositories every time you run it even if you only want to install something you KNOW is there and you just ran the repository refresh an hour ago to install something else! Can you say "brain dead"?

Nobody in this industry ever "asks the next question": what if? What if the user decides to do this - or that?

Just a comment on music players. I'm utterly uninterested in multiple, complicated playlists. I run Kaffeine directly from the interface. I open my directory of music, click on what I want to play at any given moment, listen to it, cut it from the playlist, and play something else. Every single music player I've seen is pathetically difficult to learn to use. I installed Banshee 1.0 last week. Big tout that it was finally 1.0!

Guess what? Locked up on me three times in the first ten minutes. Ridiculous. Gone now.

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Network Manager vs Ubuntu acceptance

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 78.144.102.230] on June 28, 2008 10:39 AM
A few good points in there, certainly. The best suggestion mentioned was the lack of a GRUB GUI config/restore tool that can be run off the install disc. I am surprised that this still hasn't rectified as its a common problem and one of the the few probs requiring the newb-dreaded 'open a terminal...' solution.

What really surprised me about this article and the following comments is that no-one (OK, one person did) has mentioned the real, #1 reason that ubuntu is failing to win massive numbers of converts and that is

NETWORK MANAGER IS USELESS JUNK!!

If you're not connecting DHCP via an ethernet cable then either expect not to get a connection (without editing interfaces, resolve.conf etc.) at all or get very frustrated with having to enter multiple passwords to use protected wifi connections. Good luck if you want to roam from network to network! On top of this nm has one of the most badly designed, confusing interfaces I've ever seen and it only supports a limited amount of the wifi adapters Linux actually supports.

wicd solves all these problems but not only is it not in the default install (which it should be) its still not in the repos either. Most peoples primary use for a computer these days is accessing the internet and so if they can't do that easily, reliably and hassle-free under Linux they will give up and go back to windows quick-sharp. They won't even be able to discover / download wicd as they're unable to get on the net! As a result of this basic computing fact I can only recommend Mandriva to newbs thanks to its excellent net_applet tool, which is every bit as good as, if not better, than wicd. Anyone know of a ubuntu distro that comes with wicd as standard?

Seeing as Ubuntu already comes with ntfs-3g, they should also include ntfs-config on the cd (its very small) to make adding rw support of windows drives a breeze.

Suspend and hibernate work fine on my laptop under Hardy but I do know this is one area that needs work as suspend doesn't work on my dads. However, I really don't think this is such a big issue as easy networking as Ubuntu cold-boots pretty quick these days and there are power and reliability gains from shutting down/ booting normally.

I'd also love to see Ubuntu dump Totem in favour of the infinitely superior vlc, which many windows users are already familiar with. nautilus-image-converter and nautilus-open-terminal should be installed as standard and winff needs to be added to the repos too.

So, as far as I'm concerned, Ubuntu is very nearly at its goal of providing a easy to use desktop OS for free but its not going anywhere until the curse of network-manager is removed.

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Re: Network Manager vs Ubuntu acceptance

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 123.243.78.27] on June 30, 2008 01:00 AM
"NETWORK MANAGER IS USELESS JUNK!!

If you're not connecting DHCP via an ethernet cable then either expect not to get a connection"

And even if you are, expect to not get a connection if the link goes down and comes back up - every time I reset my router I am forced to ifconfig ethX down && ifconfig ethX up manually to get network access back again.

Network Manager is a nice idea, but doesn't do the job.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 89.124.240.184] on June 28, 2008 12:55 PM
This list is ridiculous.
I don't have any problems with any computer with graphics or sound and I have NEVER installed anything from source on any Linux I've ever used. (I started experimenting with Linux with Xandros 2.0 and SuSE 9.1.)

Furthermore, when Linux hits the mainstream it will be as a pre-installation on new PCs. So many of these points will be moot.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.169.87.139] on June 28, 2008 01:05 PM
Ditto on the sound. I have gone through hell with getting sound to work properly on numerous well-known sounds cards. Standardizing ALSA would be great, as it's the most roubust, and the OSS system is not 100% free.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 82.181.134.143] on June 28, 2008 01:51 PM
I use Mandriva on my own PC. It offers great application (CLI/GUI) for whole system management, not just OS management or other parts than OS like Xorg.

I think if Canonical would develop or take Mandriva Control Center / OpenSuse yast, it would be a much better choise for new users. I have noticed that when old/young users try Ubuntu LIve or Mandriva GNOME live, Mandriva wins easily in HW detection, problem solving etc. One great feature in installation is you great forum login in same time, so you can just join to forums / IRC to ask help.

I have only one problem what none of distributions solve, hibernation and sleep on laptop. I hope that laptop manufacturers would understand that they need to work with GNU/Linux community to get these work. I think Canonical should move this information from "behind" to their front page.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 63.118.233.100] on June 30, 2008 02:24 PM
They already have a control center. You need to enable it on the menu

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 166.214.232.193] on June 28, 2008 02:39 PM
To transfer settings from Windows Mozilla software to Linux Mozilla software, give the Mozilla "Mozbackup" utility a try.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 208.101.174.204] on June 28, 2008 02:40 PM
Most of this list is dead on.

On most computers, I've never had trouble with the display. Then I installed on a Dell Inspiron laptop. Hoo boy, nothing but trouble with the video. And just when I thought I had it licked, I installed the ATI drivers and it all went to blazes. Long story short, I became very friendly with vi that day.

As for sound (and I've not gone to Ubuntu 8 yet), I still have trouble now and then with ALSA, and often fall back on OSS. I shudder to think about getting the new stuff working.

Finally, IPV6.
Perhaps I missed a setting somewhere, but my router doesn't support it. Plus, I don't like the idea of a computer tunneling past the router in any case (or perhaps I'm thinking about IPV6 on Vista). I know there's a general attitude out there of "Can't we all just get along?" and expose every machine to World + Dog, but I *like* having everything private and behind a NAT. So, the first thing I look to do is disable IPV6 completely on every computer in the house. Call me a Luddite if you will, but until I really need it (or until I have a working equivalent to NAT on an IPV6 router), I'll leave IPV6 turned off.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 76.15.50.180] on June 28, 2008 03:01 PM
I tried a number of different distros on my laptop. I tried Ubuntu but had nothing but problems with sound and video, so I tried Fedora and was mostly happy. However, I still had some issues - no show stoppers, but minor annoyances. Luckily I found Mepis. The Mepis developers goal is to have a distro that just works, and that it does. No video, sound, or other problems - it just works, and well.

My last, major, annoyance with all linux distros is the lack of solution to handle multiple wireless profiles. With my Dell Inspiron running XP, I have numerous wireless profiles setup, and when I move to a different wireless network XP automatically selects the proper profile - this just isn't so with Linux. I've tried a couple of the purported available solutions but they just don't work well, at least on Mepis, and I'm unwilling to switch to a distro other than Mepis, and have to deal with the other annoyances again, just to get this ability.

Personally, from a notebook users standpoint, the lack of coherent, viable wireless profile solution that just works is a major drawback to using Linux on a mobile platform

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Re(1): Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 64.81.85.143] on June 30, 2008 06:44 PM
> My last, major, annoyance with all linux distros is the lack of solution to handle multiple wireless profiles.

LOL (?) dunno what you mean. When I take my ubuntu 8.04 laptop on the road, it connects to different WAPs and uses the stored credentials from past connections - the various WAPs around my house, the boingo in the airports, whatever, and it all just works,

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As a Linux user for a year...

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 172.17.1.9] on June 28, 2008 03:29 PM
...it's just cheesy. I use Fedora, not Ubuntu, because I need to work with DB2. But Fedora won't play system sounds, no matter what I do. I've messed with this for months and months, and nothing works. (Other sounds play fine.) Fedora 9 broke Evince: It crashes almost every time I view a PDF. And if one window crashes, they ALL crash - all open PDFs on all virtual desktops. Cheesy, and stupid. GNOME is the same way - if a file manager window crashes, they ALL crash, on all ten virtual desktops. And when I did the F9 upgrade, the machine would not boot! I had to download a special bootable GRUB fix CD and boot off of it, but I'm a 15+ year UNIX user and it doesn't bother me, but I don't know what the average Wal-Mart Linux customer would do. This is Fedora, not Ubuntu, but I have used Ubuntu a little too - neither is ready for the desktop. And there are ZERO programs that let you make greeting cards! If Linux wants to succeed, this is a MUST. I tried using Scribus from scratch, but come on, can't some program have a usable greeting card template? I've never found anything remotely usable for Inkscape, Scribus, OOo, etc. Until someone lets the average desktop user make a greeting card without starting from scratch and measuring the page etc it's not going to fly. Another really cheesy thing is the two clipboards: some apps use one clipboard, and you can't paste into other apps. Many I have to copy, paste into Emacs, copy again, and paste into the app I want. I know this is an historical accident, but, still, it's cheesy and stupid. I love Linux and am committed to using it, so I wanted to throw these things out as areas for improvement.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Dummy00001 on June 28, 2008 04:17 PM
> A common complaint is that the partition can be seen but the permissions are wrong.

This is probably most annoying problem with Linux. (Mac OS X handles it perfectly).

Formatting external hard drive in native Linux FS results in unwelcome surprise: after connecting your hard drive to somebody's else computer you find that you can *not* access your files because you do not have permissions.

Permissions?? On portable media??? This is just silly.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 85.224.169.217] on June 28, 2008 04:25 PM
The number ONE trouble I think I've seen is *network connection issues*
mostly WiFi but increasingly 3G/UMTS-USB-dongle network connection issues ...

and BTW, one of the problems is that if you haven't got internet access during install of foreign language versions of *Buntu you'll get extra troubles trying to make Ubuntu "speak your language" ...

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 4.254.87.162] on June 28, 2008 04:32 PM
Hi. Just a little of my personal history with Linux. I started out several years ago with Knoppix, then moved to Kanotix. After Kanotix didn't have a full update in more than a year, I switched to Sidux. I have a Kubuntu 8.04 disk sitting here. I have not installed Kubuntu, though I have booted from the CD and checked things out. Kubuntu (and Ubuntu) are missing 2 things that I consider essential. The ability to manage files as Superuser (root), and the ability to open a root terminal. I also don't like the gui package management that they have chosen. Kbuntu may be ok for beginers, and those with only basic needs, but I will not be installing it at this time. Ubuntu has no chance at all of ever being installed here, as I like KDE so much better than Gnome.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 63.118.233.100] on June 30, 2008 02:27 PM
You can do both these things in Kunbuntu. There is a root terminal and you can log in as root.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.217.97.32] on June 28, 2008 05:33 PM
The top 3 things that have made my wireless life with linux complete: (4 diff laptops and a couple of desktops over the past 7-8 years)

1. wpa_supplicant
2. wpa_gui IT may not be colorful or flashy, but it's never failed me
3. update_config=1 line in wpa_supplicant.conf

Personally, I've never had any luck with networkmanager. I've had reliability issues, and flinch every time it's enabled when I try a new distro. I end up hopping around my networks while working, and have found wpa_supplicant & it's gui to work best for me.

For me, having a bunch of *buntus can make sense. But not if they're just for special desktops or other cosmetic reasons. Lapbuntu anyone? I could picture it much easier, if I were coming over from windows now, looking through distros and finding one for my desktop, and one for my laptop. There are needs on one that aren't on the other. The difference to us might not be great, but Joe Schmoe who's used windows but wants to make the linux jump, may find it easier with a more clear cut choice.

The important thing to remember is: Not matter what your OS, you're eventually going to add something to your computer that's going to change other things and warrant a trip to google. Some problems are more prevolent that others, but this is where documentation becomes vital. With that said, this is another area that is under-rated in linux. It's not complete, it's ever evolving, but I'm satisfied overall with the direction linux documentation is headed.

Anyone up for a stage 1 gentoo install? (my distro of choice btw..along with sidux)

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Ubuntu brainstorm

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 41.225.240.18] on June 28, 2008 05:34 PM
Why don't you post the correponding links to the Ubuntu brainstorm ideas? (brainstorm.ubuntu.com) I'm sure all ten of these have been posted already.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 216.8.149.23] on June 28, 2008 05:37 PM
The Ubuntu forum has a 60+ page post about "lockups" on 8/04.
Ubuntu Testimonials & Experiences
Also another at:
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/204996/comments/192
Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup

Previous versions of Ubuntu had a maximum of 13 pages re problems with upgrades.
Given that a version runs on one's box perfectly; how can an upgrade to the next version NOT run?

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 81.1.86.188] on June 28, 2008 06:02 PM
"The ability to manage files as Superuser (root), and the ability to open a root terminal."

If you really, really want a root terminal, start a terminal and run "sudo su"

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 196.3.201.24] on June 28, 2008 06:05 PM
I use ubuntu only (still have windows), and I'm rather experienced now. but I have to agree. needs work for new users. I hope intrepid intrigues.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 72.191.98.73] on June 28, 2008 07:24 PM
I would an additional point. Lack of getting correct information on a problem and/or where to get answers. Example: I have used Ubuntu for about a year, from XP. I want it to just run, no tinkering, no fixes or work arounds. 7.10 is about 95% satisfactory. OK, but Hardy! I downloaded and burned a cd. Tried to use Live to look at Hardy, but asked for a user name and password. No matter what is entered, it cycles back to the log in screen. Installed it, same problem. Asked on the forum and got a dozen replies, no specific "do this". Answers like, "try this....", "maybe drivers, look around.....". etc. Had private message from one person having same problem with some ideas, but didn't work. Searched picked up that this problem existed during testing and was being corrected. But no mention of it in any release notes I could find.

This is too long, but if current version runs ok, shouldn't I be able to install new version and it runs ok also? So another sticking point to me is the lack of real help and the release of known problems with no solution or even acknowledgment of it.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 70.92.239.68] on June 28, 2008 07:30 PM
Excellent! Thanks for a great analysis of this distro and its problems. This distro really needs an objective assessment to expose the areas that need improvement. Until then, I think they need to soft-pedal the idea that *buntu is the be-all, end-all *nix install. (I think I'll TM that phrase. It's kinda catchy.)

I've tried installing various *buntu versions on various archs. I think I had maybe one real success on a G3 iMac w/Kubuntu (go figure!!!). But all the Intel and AMD stuff had display problems, net problems, etc just as you've identified from the forums. I've always had more success w/distros like Zenwalk, Vector, and more recently PCLinuxOS. I'll be trying the latest releases of Vector and Zenwalk soon to see what's shaking there, but I have to say PCLinuxOS has been installed and is running fine out of the blocks (not box, it's a sprinting metaphor, analogy, simile, whatever) on several boxes/laptops.

Re another distro for those who like Debian... check out Sidux. Cutting edge Debian with stability. I'm running it on a Dell (no comment) Inspiron 1501 w/Broadcom wireless and ATI and AMD 64x2. Now this is a 'special' piece of hardware and I wouldn't expect any of the easy-install and setup distros to work on it. But the 64-bit *buntu installs did pretty well. The display (again, ATI) was predictably a problem. Also the wireless and that's because Broadcom is not playing nice with the OSS community (hence, the need for ndiswrapper and all that). However, the one *buntu install I expected to have the most agreeable experience with (ie, Kubuntu) ran like it was on i386 arch w/128MB of RAM. After that install disappointment, I discovered Sidux.

To finish up my comment, let me say that I realize it's possible to CLI a way to a solution for most if not all the install problems, but that's not in my quest. I'm looking for a distro that I can begin installing for all my friends and family with predictable results without any need for resorting to the CLI. So far my results suggest that *buntu isn't that distro. It's close, but PCLinuxOS seems to produce more predictable results. YMMV.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 76.254.193.76] on June 28, 2008 08:07 PM
Re: Screen Setup

This has got to be the biggest issue I have run into for newbies. Nothing more frustrating than watching them go through a half-hour installation only to have their hopes dashed when they have a completely trashed video setup on first boot.

And the weird thing is that the "live" boot usually gets it right and comes up with a working X configuration and desktop GUI , while the "install to HD" setup doesn't. Now what's that all about? Is that weird - or is it just cruel?

It would be great if the installer would allow you to select your monitor, screen resolution and vid card from a dropdown list along with an autodetect option. Alternatively, it could use the same configuration as the live CD and then launch a wizard once they're on the desktop to fine tune the video setting. That way it could at least switch back to the "known good" configuration if their changes didn't take.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 76.2.195.210] on June 28, 2008 08:13 PM
I ended up with Ubuntu 7.10 DVD because it was the first distribution, which would recognize my nVidia card, operate my motherboard sound, and allow me to connect with my motherboard ethernet port. I _still_ had problems getting my video to give me more than the VESA 800x600 on a 1280x1024 17" LCD display. I finally had to learn about editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to fix the problem. I also have not been able to use anything other than the ALSA sound; I've just been grateful this worked without a _lot_ of digging. I tried Knoppix, which would not work with sound prior to me installing a nVidia display card to replace the ATI motherboard video. WHY WOULD SOUND NOT WORK BECAUSE OF VIDEO???? Linspire/Freespire, Fedora 8, OpenSUSE 10.3, and other distributions simply freeze during installation with no error messages.

My hardware description is an e-Machines/Gateway T5212 (Intel Pentium D 805 2.66GHz dual processor, 2G RAM, 200G HDD, DVD+/-RW, multiple format memory card reader, ATI Radeon Express 200, RealTek RTL/8139/810X 10/100Mbps ethernet LAN, RealTek HD Audio) with nVidia GEForce 6200 TurboCache PCI-E 256M video card, connected to a D-Link EBR-2310 wired Ethernet Broadband Router, and Embarq 660 series DSL modem. This is a _refurbished_ unit, running a 32 bit processor, which can run unmodified with Windows XP Media Center Edition (installed) or Windows Vista, with everything detected, and no serious problems.

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Re: Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 77.11.77.144] on June 28, 2008 09:29 PM
wow, i am impressed on how fast everybody's been taking part in this forum. all very interesting. Everybody had something to say about improving ubuntu. i think the author of 'ten sticking points for new ubuntu users' should maybe try to modify the list however way he wishes and send it to canonical.
i am an advanced linux user. ive installed linux on 8 desktop-pcs and notebooks. overall the results weren't that bad. so applause to the free source OS. one of the desktop PCs and a notebook had some of the typical problems mentioned by all of you. most of the problems had A solution somewhere.
ubuntu has proven to have a much higher battery time than windows ever had or ever will. unfortunately thats not all. hibernation, restarting, and sometimes a simple shutdown are not possible on all computers. i urge for more attention on power management.
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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 62.163.79.70] on June 28, 2008 09:25 PM
Great article...i agree completly... Ubuntu(and ubuntu derivate distros) would became THE Operating system with fixes that are mentioned in this article... Thanx...

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 69.59.7.69] on June 28, 2008 10:21 PM
you guys are losers

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These are exactly the reasons why I don't recommend Ubuntu to new Linux users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 122.148.187.219] on June 28, 2008 10:38 PM
I usually recommend Mandriva, Though to be fair, the new PulseAudio in Mandriva 2008.1 is not without it's problems. On the other hand any problems associated with PulseAudio on Mandriva can be overcome from an easy to use GUI tool (in drakConf - Mandriva Linuc Control Centre), by simply disabling PulseAudio.

What I have never encountered on Mandriva, at lease no recently, not since Mandrake 9 - 10, are problems with Video detection. The other problems mentioned seem to be solved, in my experience.

The problem is Ubuntu over promises, and under delivers.

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Hard drive spindown issue?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.90.153.142] on June 28, 2008 11:45 PM
Has the hard drive spindown issue been fixed in 8.04?
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4336702

I have yet to find a definitive answer to this question, so I think maybe it hasn't been. This is a big problem, right?

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No GUI to mount for fstab? doesn't anyone search first?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 196.219.138.54] on June 29, 2008 02:49 AM
Graphical Storage Device Manager
PySDM is a PyGTK Storage Device Manager that allows full customization of hard
disk mount points without manual access to fstab.
It also allows the creation of udev rules for dynamic configuration of storage devices

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 71.63.207.25] on June 29, 2008 03:23 AM
No one has ever had all ten of these problems, and most people have none of these problems.

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Ten sticking points for new Ubuntu users

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 97.114.105.177] on June 29, 2008 07:18 AM
I know that I am new at linux. I have tried three distros. Right now, I am using Ubuntu 8.4 a