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kinda like a oracle 9 type deal going on here.

Well they better do somthing cool if they are dropping the dot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:). Like a new cool logo in install or on the box or somthing

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Especially items 2, 7, 8 (I'm not a huge Beatles fan so I missed the reference).

So was it Red Hat that removed the dot from dot-com?

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The 12th song on the second disc of the white
album is "Revolution 9"

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Yeah, it occurred to me as I was dropping off to sleep that somewhere Paul or John say "Number 9" over and over again. That's the kind of thing it's hard to recollect on the spot... hmm, there's an ad for google here somewhere.

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Well, I just hope that they were inspired only by the song's name, not it's content<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) Or would you like the system that would run a couple of applications and erraticaly switch between them, display some texts backward or upside down, randomly talking other languages than the selected one etc.?

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Wait a minute!
Since when has RedHat released windows?

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In Catalan, "9" is spelled "nou" and sounds kinda like "now" in English- so "Revolution 9" becomes "Revolution now" if you keep "Revolution" as English word since does not exist in Catalan nevertheless.

Also, "nou" means "new" besides "nine"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so I may install RH9 to look up the catalan translations<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-) because obviously looks a catalan-ish release afterall.

Oh, wait, and BillGates-III was 666, wasn't it?

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9 is what?

9 is... how many more years it will take for RH (them) to get any part of the RH desktop to look and to work like Xandros?

9 is... how many years before they get a full Wine for MS office running on RH verion that is out of the box (like Xandros)?

9 is... what we will all be before the above happens... (what is "9" in Welsh)?

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It was to me 8.1 thay are just going to 9 to stay up with mandrake

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Nine breaks binary compability with eight. So they upped the major version, like they always do when that happens.

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Red Hat is no longer releasing the free version as "dot" releases. The next release will be Red Hat Linux 10 (no dot!). If you really really miss the dots, you can get them here:

http://www.candydirect.com/moviecandy/Dots_7_oz.h<nobr>t<wbr></nobr> ml

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.. 9 is your IQ if you think that Xandros is a superior distro to RedHat.

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Be nice now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
Besides not have the new DVD Burner not work with RedHat Linux (or other Linux distros)... Has anyone figured that out yet or is it going to take 9 years!
Remember that users are not hackers! SO...
Remember that someone moving to Linux from the MS side of things is pretty much lost when it comes to the unkind file organization that Linux has.
Xandos just does all that better
(see http://www.xandros.com/xandros_file_manager.html )<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and for using all their old files (all office documents) then having Wine/CodeWeavers do it just like before... IS WONDERFUL, and very friendly (vs not having these files open with some Linux Office Apps that are half done)... SO anyway, all this is done much better than RedHat does it SO THEY better plan to do something about that problem now in order to be caught up to Xandros before the 9 years is up! Period.

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9 in Welsh is 'Naw'. Chwarae teg like boyo..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

Chris - Cardiff born..

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When you say it (not the number)... what does it mean? No pun intended, just accepted.

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"Chwarae teg" (pronounced "wara teg" means "fair play" - chwarae = play, teg = fair.

The "like boyo" is actually called "Wenglish", which is a dialect mix of Welsh and English you tend to hear in South Wales, mainly around the valleys, Cardiff, Newport & Swansea. There's even a website about it at <A HREF="http://www.talktidy.com/" TITLE="talktidy.com">http://www.talktidy.com/</a talktidy.com>

They've also got an entry on <A HREF="http://www.talktidy.com/tt-w.html" TITLE="talktidy.com">Chwarae Teg</a talktidy.com>.

pob hwyl!
Chris

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It sounds like its all to get more money from people certifying. Since if you get an RHCE or RHCT, its only good for two major versions. Since I JUST got my RHCE for 8, looks like it will be good for about 3 months at this rate.

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That is not what this says:

http://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/rhce_faq.html<nobr>#<wbr></nobr> current

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9 is the loneliest number that you'll ever know....
So they thought this would bring it some comapny

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Are you guys were trying to level up with Sun's Solaris9? No way<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) You need to make two dots in every release to make it happens<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(

Now, honestly, for desktops - Linus rulez! It's not a server platform
yet.

Take care,

        Cos

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It's a shame that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Redhat willingly removed Taiwan’s status as an independent country to please tyrannical China against democratic Taiwan in their latest versions.

Several other companies like Microsoft and HP have refused to remove Taiwan’s in their listings of countries despite pressure from China.

And yes, we all know Taiwan is not recognised by the U.N as an independent country because the risk of war but that’s not the point. Most democratic countries and the people in them sees Taiwan as independent, it is every freedom loving man and woman’s responsibility to support them.

Please do not install Redhat either at home or at work. If you are a consultant, direct your customers towards other distributions. There are lots of good distributions, there is simply no need to support evil companies like this.

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I don't think it makes them evil.
You haven't posted Red Hat's reasons for doing this. Have you asked them?

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what have u been smoking???

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Sorry, I should have posted some links; lots of people are unaware of these matters.

I don't have time searching for it but it's no problem finding info about it searching on google. Search for Redhat and Taiwan.

To make a long story short: To be able to sell more licenses to mainland China Redhat removed Taiwan’s flag and therefore it's status as independent.

Redhat made some lame excuses trying to claim that it was a mistake but some simple google searching revealed that they removed it on purpose. They have no intensions to put it back.

HP for example, has been fined in a Chinese court for their refusal to remove Taiwan’s status as independent in their software. Microsoft has also refused to give on for Chinas demands.

If even a company like Microsoft stands up for basic democracy Redhat should be required to do the same.

Redhat is an evil company; they sell out even democracy if they can make more bucks on it.

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You're trying to make a political statement out of a marketing decision. I seem to remember them saying that they plan to remove all the flags. Red Hat isn't "evil" or "anti-democracy". That's bull.

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"Red Hat isn't "evil" or "anti-democracy". That's bull."

They are certainly evil, they think bucks for them are more important than democracy. Not even Microsoft thinks that, thats make them evil.

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Your mom is evil for letting you use a computer.

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So let me see if I got this straight, you are essentially saying Red Hat is worse then Microsoft because they removed the Taiwanese Flag from the KDE control panel?

So Red Hat, in your own words, is anti-democratic and evil because they don't recognize Taiwan as a country. Okay, this is a just an example so don't get too annoyed with me, but by your same definition the United States (and several other democratic countries) are anti-democratic and evil because they also don't recognize Taiwan as a country. Taiwan may be a democratic, capitalistic country but the US panders to China, a communist country, because it has a large economy and it is more profitable to do business with them. The US isn't alone in this, but I think the definition of evil and anti-democratic needs some work.

I think you forget that Democracy is all about freedom. In my opinion, Microsoft is more anti-democratic then Red Hat because Microsoft restricts more freedoms then Red Hat. While Red Hat was wrong to remove the Taiwanese flag, if I was motivated enough, I have the freedom to fix the problem (by uninstalling KDE and replacing it with the KDE.org rpms). If Microsoft were to do the same thing, could you easily fix it?

There are many more valid reasons not to use the Red Hat distribution. Here are three of them:

   
1. The continual ballooning of their installation (size does matter, smaller is better)


   
2. Their refusal to cooperate with the open source community. Red Hat does most of their modifications in private and did not coordinate with the projects they are modifying. As a result, everyone is suprised when the software hits the market.


   
3. Their disrespect for the goals of open source developers. Their extensive modifications to KDE is only one of them. They have also released a distro with a GCC that couldn't compile many open source programs including the linux kernel.

There are a lot more reasons, but I won't go into them here because they aren't really that important. I personally believe the damage the inflict on open source projects is worse then the removal of a flag (which btw is easy to fix). I don't use the Red Hat distro (but not for the reasons above, I simply decided to do everything from <A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/">scratch</a linuxfromscratch.org>).

Face facts. Everyone is different. Let them make up their own minds. Try to avoid preaching (I'm a hypocrit, I know). You see the removal of the Taiwanese Flag to be a major influence in your decision not to use Red Hat, others may disagree (China for example). Some people are smart enough to mark up their own minds. Wouldn't it be better to just mention why you don't use Red Hat rather then villifying them?

Sure, Red Hat may be evil incarnate. They may be anti-democratic. Personally I don't think they are any worse then other commercial distributions, except for their pesky overly-capitalistic, anti-social behaviour.

Anywho, just my two-cents

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Waah, your momma is an evil company, your dad should demand a refund.

Get a life loser

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"To make a long story short: To be able to sell more licenses to mainland China Redhat removed Taiwan’s flag and therefore it's status as independent."

Do you really think that Taiwan's independence hinges on the design on the outside of a cheap cardboard box?

I don't. I think they are a better people than that.

"If even a company like Microsoft stands up for basic democracy Redhat should be required to do the same."

You impugn the character of both Microsoft and Redhat with that single statement. I can only imagine the damage you could wreak in a roomfull of blonds.

I also don't think Redhat should be 'required' to take any stance it does not wish to take. That would violate US law regarding freedom of speech and expression<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the same law that permitted your posting.

It is sufficient for Redhat to obey local and international laws while trying to eke out a living in the same cage as a ravenous 800# gorilla.

"Redhat is an evil company; they sell out even democracy if they can make more bucks on it."

That makes them no worse than Clinton<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... who gave the N. Koreans the long range missile guidance systems that allow it to target the United States. Why not take Bill Clinton to task<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... especially now that it appears the N. Koreans are about to join the nuclear club?

I think ALL of us have more pressing matters than the design on the outside of a cardboard box.

Don't you?

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WAAAAAAH

Go find a bridge, and jump.

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Release a patch fixing the fault. Redhat is a company. A company job is to do the most to make they the most money. By not suporting them you are actually helping china because no market no one to worry about. Redhat is a open source distro. Release a Anti-fault release. Make it the bigest public brawl you can. Ie you sell a patched startup disk you make money to and you directly attack there markets to get rid of you the will be required to fixit.

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"A company job is to do the most to make they the most money. "

Not if the issue at stake is democracy. There are certain things that is more important than money. Even Microsoft has stand up for democracy in this case, Redhat should do the same.

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You're a stupid redneck!.

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- They don't apologize after an isolated employee -- without unauthority -- removed Taiwan's flag
- They don't GPL any of their software
- They are trying to keep Linux off the desktop and push their own proprietary software<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... NOT

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Don't give money to help the war, stop buying US products, it's time to boycott country who doesn't respect international law, and who are acting for their own interest !

Redhat is a USA firm, and USA still don't signed in many international treaties (Kyoto, weapons of mass destruction non-proliferation, treaty agains anti-personal mines, etc). Bush is bringing the world to war, just because he wants some more money, some more power, and some more oil.

NO BLOOD FOR OIL, NO MORE MONEY FOR USA !!!

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We should just all stop buying US prodcuts, that's the best way to show these morons that their money is depending on all the other country, and worst of all, that they're gonna collapse without the world.

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Then you should stop buying anything that has US involvement with. BTY, Linus lives in the US and works for a US company so stop using Linux altogether, also one of the best Kernel hackers works for Redhat (Alan Cox). Microsoft and Apple is also a US company, so I would like to know what operating system you are using to write your stupid comments. Also, the the computer was invented in the US along with electricity, so take your moronic ass back to the stone ages.

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Neither the computer nor electricity were invented in the USA. Is that what they teach you in history classes?

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one of the principles of electricity was discovered by Benjamin Franklin. he proved that the amber spark and lightning were pretty much the same thing. (http://www.codecheck.com/pp_elect.html). The phenomenon itself was first realized by the greeks thousands of years ago in the form of static electricity. As for the computer, yes, a german engineer developed the first 'calculator' in 1941, but it was an american company, intel, that developed the first microprocessor, the 4 bit 4004, in 1970. Texas Instruments (yet another american company) was the first to reveal the principle and demonstrate the use of the integrated circuit. So yes, the computer as you now know it was 'invented' in america. That sucks, doesn't it... *snickers and sneers*???<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P
BTW, boycott us... see if we give a flying fuck. We will just let the next fascist regime come along and rape your country whilst we profit on weapons sales. THEN, we will turn around and sell the rest of our products to him for greater profit! We will let IBM head the project since the have great experience with such things.

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I'm so sorry, I guess I need to break it down a little more for you to understand exactly what I meant. Maybe the whole concept of the computer wasn't by the US but significant computer developments were relatively few before the 1940s. At this time the first (1st) electronic computers, the ABC & the ENIAC, were built. Several years later, in 1949, at Cambridge, which is in the US, the first electronic computer operating under the control of a stored program, the EDSAC, was completed. With other major developments at Princeton, which is in the US, and MIT, which is also in the US. Also, I should have went into more detail about what I meant about electricity, electricity wasn't developed in US but the most important development in the history of electricity generation with the birth of a purpose built power station was. So what do they teach you in history classes?

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Well said!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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The abacus, a simple counting aid, may have been invented in Babylonia (now Iraq) in the fourth century B.C. Isn't this ironic ?

Konrad Zuse, a German engineer, completes the first general purpose progammable calculator in 1941. He pioneers the use of binary math and boolean logic in electronic calculation.

First, no one invented electricity, it has always existed. The name "electricity" was coined by William Gilbert (English) in 1600. Alessandro Volta (Italian) invented the battery. Michael Farady (English) invented the first electric generator.

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Where in the Land of Oz do you liberaloid idiots get your ideas of what's going on in the world? If this was about oil, why didn't the American military just claim Kuwait? After all, with tens of thousands of troops and all that military hardware on site, what could the Kuwaitis do? If this is about cash, why do the Coalition forces insist on making way for humanitarian aid (BILLIONS, mind you, from their own pockets!) to get into Iraq ASAP? As for respect for International Law, the spineless bastards in the UN obviously don't have the conviction to enforce their own resolutions. The ENTIRE Security Council agreed last Autumn that Iraq has repeatedly failed to live up to the agreements they committed to after we threw their rotten asses out of Kuwait twelve years ago. If all America wanted was oil, why didn't they just take Iraq AND Kuwait in 1991. At the insistence of the rest of the gonad-challenged countries in the world, America stopped short of finishing the job in 1991. As a result, Saddam killed tens of thousands of his own citizens in reprisal for their support of ANYONE who'd take the initiative to rid the world of the tyrannical bastard. This scumball Hussein has, time and again, broken every single principle of civilized behavior. But you morons call The U.S.A. renegades and war criminals because they have the cojones to do something about this tinhorn tyrant before he manages to put together the capacity to kill millions at a swat. Why don't you spineless jellyfish all go live in Iraq, or Iran or North Korea, where those in power will no doubt highly respect your love of "peace" and "serenity"?

Get a fucking clue, cretins!!!

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Billions of humanitarian aid? Billions of illusions may be, billions of bombs, billions of dead... Please stop smoking crack before posting. It also reduces the size of your over-appreciated american balls<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P

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To Anonymous Reader 2003.03.28 7:26

At least Anonymous Reader 2003.03.27 18:52 backed up his diatribe with researchable facts. What did you have to offer besides extremist comments (billions this and billions that) couched in nebulous terms and ending with a couple of knee jerk insults? This is why most U.S. citizens support the war: Because the So-very-fragile reasons that the Bush Administration gives for War outweighs anything coming from the anyone speaking for the media Liberals (I'll be using terms like "media liberals" and "media conservatives" to differentiate between those general party spokespeople who have the biggest mouths and the rest of their group who have little to no voice at all. I'm not trying to tar all liberals or all conservatives with the same brush here). How can you stand to be so publicly simple minded? The best you can do is just gainsay another's comments without offering an informed contrary opinion?

I mean, it wouldn't be difficult at all to breakdown every one of the current Administration's arguments, on a fact by fact basis. The Bush Administration is making unfounded accusations ("Hidden weapons of mass destruction!" Well, where the hell are they?) with the only appeal being that of liberating the terrorized Iraqi people from the bloody rule of a tyrant who openly thinks that Adolph Hitler was "too sweet". The idea of liberation is appealing and that's what most Americans who support the war are hanging onto, but it is presented with so much fluff and disinformation that it requires a suspension of critical thought nearly akin to a leap of faith.

Keep in mind that these US citizens are the same people who, however cynical and jaded, hold the same values that led them into World War II with Germany (who never attacked them), North Korea (who never attacked them), Vietnam (who never attacked them), and all those wars were started and approved by Democrats and the liberal party.

So here we have Bush and his administration, spewing conflicting statements.
Cheney and his statements of an Iraq war which would "go relatively quickly" and be over in "weeks rather than months."

Ari Fleischer and his "We planned for a battle that could be long, that could be hard, it could be difficult."

and

Kenneth Adelman (part of the Bush "think tank". Ahem!) who said the war in Iraq would be a "cakewalk".

How difficult would it be to reasonably, rationally, counter their statements, their contradictions in a convincing debate? That would be a REAL cakewalk, yeah?

Yet not one of the media Liberals can do it! They don't even try! The biggest mouths of the media liberals are being represented by actors like
Susan Sarandon (who publicly stated how she couldn't understand PM Blair being "seduced" by Bush. Bill Clinton yes, but not Bush.)

Jessica Lange, who likes to go to other nations and rag about how much she hates Bush (never gives a reason for it and seems to be as mentally unbalanced as the characters she's portrayed throughout her career).

Tim Robbins, who is all for free speech and peace unless someone talks to any members of his family without prior consent from Timmy. Tim threatened a reporter from the Washington Post with violence for interviewing Susan Sarandon's Mother and printing the old gal's statements. The guy is an unstable nutjob!

And then there is Martin Sheen. Martin has been going around lately with duct tape over his mouth, wearing a somber hang-dog expression, and playing out a rather hammy act as a wounded Jesus, carrying his protest placard/cross, which is covered with speculation and well worn pre-approved tropes. Sloganeering is not a form of rational thought or debate.

So with all of this taken into account, the best you can do is question the "Billions of dollars in aid"? Since when has the US not done that? And who has been doing a better job?

This is why there is war. Because Saddam is an evil butcher who has no interest in diplomacy; because there are dubious reasons on one side (the side with the power) and nothing but mush coming from the opposing side (Diplomacy? With a guy who says that Adolph Hitler was "too sweet"? Give peace a chance? The Liberals had their chance for 8 years during Clinton, who bombed Iraq many times over for spurious reasons. How utterly silent the "Peace Protesters" were then!). If you ask me, the Democrats and the Republicans are in this together.

But the main thrust of this comment thread was supposed to be about Redhat 9. An article which was humorous and not in need of political grandstanding. How the hell does it de-evolve inito politics? I hope I helped dispense with the tripe. Now let's get back to the Linux conversation, eh? Because no matter what company makes it, and no matter where we are from, Linux belongs to, and is built and shared by, all of us. So SCREW politics!

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The problem with Americans is that they believe that they are the messiahs of the world, or that is what the govt. would like the people to believe. But then, why Iraq only, after all, there are many other countries which have violated UN resolutions, who harbour terrorism on their lands. Come on, they went and fought in Afghanistan but left Pakistan. And if you do not know the facts, Pakistan has more terrorists than anywhere in the world. And they blatantly, flout their terrorist power. And the americans are just hypocrites, they do not find any value in attacking Pakistan. So what, if 55,000 civilians have been killed in Kashmir because of terrorists from Pakistan.

Get your facts clear first. Before advising about balls and their sizes. Its very easy to be sitting and sipping coffee and commenting on a war, you will know if you are in the midst of one.

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>The problem with Americans is that they
>believe that they are the messiahs of
>the world.

That is interesting. Neither I nor my American neighbors would agree with that statement. You should get to know us a little better.

>But then, why Iraq only, after all..

I would recommend that you enroll in a debate course. This is the classic "two wrongs make a right" argument. For example: Why did the police man give me a ticket for speeding? The other cars on the street were speeding too.

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"Why did the police man give me a ticket for speeding? The other cars on the street were speeding too."

See you have it in a nutshell, comparing the US to a Police man, well Mr. Police man we don't trust your policing, we don't trust YOU and we'd quite like you to start getting rid of YOUR weapons of mass destruction before you start telling others to get rid of theirs.

You can't deny that accusing others of developing weapons of mass destruction is hypocrisy of the highest order now can you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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How ever evil the batt'h party is (and it is evil, worse than stalinist russia) this war may be a bid to keep the middle eastern nations using the US dollar as their transaction base, as we know iraq in '99 switched to the euro for it's transaction currency and iran has been contemplating such a move as well. Why is this important? Well the US per-capita dept is about $12000 yet we still have the ability to buy anything we desire at anytime. How is this possible? The US efffectivly prints the world's money. Think back to when the world was still using gold as it's standard exchange currency, imagine if you were in the possession of a machine that turned water wood and air into pure gold, imagine the things you could aquire with this machine. This is the position the US is in; the majority of the world (especially the oil producing nations) backs their wealth by greenbacks not gold (there isn't enough gold in the world anyhow), the US prints these greenbacks... this 'gold' (and do not think for a moment that it is backed by the gold in fort knox, kennedy took us off the gold standard in the 60s, knox is a holdover from ealier times; and hey, its nice to have a huge store of gold anyhow). We control the worlds standard of wealth and using careful economic regulations keep the unbacked US dollar from plunging into the atlantic. Here is another analogy: God wants to play in the world, he wants to be wealthy too... so he cojours up gold and emralds and rubies for himself and no he dosent dump it into the world economy and ruin their value, he trades them for what they are supposidly worth and thus can buy anything he desires... when he wants more he just cojoures up more emralds and rubies and trades them (not dumps them) for expensive items as normal. As long as the US dollar is traded for what its supposidly worth all is well for us and the world, and since most of the world is interdependent on our paper scraps it would not be advisable for them to trade the US dollar lower than it's supposidly worth or try to cash in on the money the US owes as then the US economy would crash and the money the creditor has (the US dollars he has) would be worthless. Also if countries stopped trading dollars its value would become apparent... how mutch does a sliver of cotton and wood cost to produce? The US couldent print 'gold' anymore, the creditors want their money (and dont accept the US Dollar), a depression ensues for all who are dependent on the dollar, US is then the equivalant of africa. This is not a war to get oil, instead it may be to keep the oil being traded in US Dollars ('gold'). Another question may be who are the creditors? It may as well be the US itself given we produce the world's wealth in literal form.

--asueekim--

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Look out! Conspiracy theories are running a muck these days.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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Most people don't know jack squat about macroeconomics. That's why they have to make up these stories about freeing iraqis or conquering oil. The down and dirty macroecon of the IMF, World Bank and WTO is too much for your average American.

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Wow, what an arrogant asshole.

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You are a friggin whack job !! Another liberal w/o a clue. Your the type of person I warn my kids about. Stupid & crazy is a poor combination.

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You have given us a whole lot of B******T(sorry I don't wanna say any bad words here).
Taiwan is not a independent country and it will never be. All Chinese believe that!

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This is not a debate forum buster.

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Don't spew your counter-revolutionary propoganda here. If it wasn't for support by the American imperialists Tawain would have been part of the PRC also. Tawain is rightfully part of China. Someday when the American imperialists have weakened themselves by invading and occupying the middle east the PRC can reclaim Formosa without western intervention.

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Should not the people of Tawain make that decision? Only an imperialist China would overthrow Tawain's republic and replace it with their own facist government.

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How about Red Flag?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D

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I use Libranet 2.7, get it?
Orpheus

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Libranet costs money. Red Hat is free. Get it.

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Libranet 2.7 costs money.
Libranet 2.0 is free.
Libranet 2.7 cost nothing if you copy it from someone else (which is totally legal).

RHN cost money. Official deb mirrors are free...

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official RH mirrors are free.

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So you're saying RH 9 is libranet played backwards?

Has anyone TRIED to play the RH 9 CD backwards?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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I tried putting the Red Hat 8 CD upside down in my microwave once...

<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...all I got was a fire

<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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  They did a jump from 4 to 7. Mandrake has even released 9.1. Slackware, Solaris etc are all version-competing, sortof like AMD lying about processor speeds to compete with Intel. Shows how many consumers really read benchmarks on Tomshardware before forking out for a new system.


  But come to think of it, serious distros like Debian and OSes like FreeBSD are still on their tracks. No jumps there, their consumers know the progress of their OS. They also dont get into trouble like RedHat, where 9 is not much different from 8, so the version difference doesnt tell much about the features difference. I dont think RedHat realises, that people like the number AFTER the dot. It displays reliability like FreeBSD 4.7 and Linux 2.4.20, unlike say Linux 2.5.0. But then again, alot of RedHat buyers dont realize that either.


  I personally couldnt care less about the number, if the 9.0 is as reliable and mature as 8.3, and if their associated RHCEs arent obsolete. I dont think after an RHCE you ever get obsolete for RedHat. They just want to suck RHCEs dry and live off their paychecks. $1000CDN per exam.

Ghazan Haider

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Unlike Slackware, there was a Red Hat Linux 1.0 thru 8.0, so 9 makes sense. The fact that Red Hat is moving to integer versioning is irrelevant. All a version does is differentiate releases.

As far as the RHCE training goes, I found it much better than what you get for the same price or more at IBM and Sun. And the food...man, Red Hat knows how to feed you! If you think the price of RHCE training or tests are overpriced, you haven't looked at the competition. And it only makes sense that the RHCE will now track the Enterprise versions, since that is where a certification is valuable.

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RHCE will follow the Advanced workstation/server series and not the general releases. RedHat 120 could be out, and RHCE's wouldn't have to update unless Advanced series increments a major number.

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unlike redhat, slackware even reached<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.6 in slackware 3.6
btw check http://slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#0

if slackware used integer versioning, they would be at around slackware 50 right now...

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If the RHCE starts tracking RHAS/RHWS, it will be an idiotic move in the extreme. There are 16,500 installs of RHAS and 5000 installs of RHWS according to RedHat's own numbers. The marketshare of these products is tiny. If they're going that route, you might as well certify against generic Linux (SAIR/LPI) rather than getting a RedHat cert for products you're unlikely to use.

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AMD never lied about its Processors' speeds. You're assuming that the 4 digit numbers appended to the CPU's name are MHz, which is your folly. BTW, even if you get that impression, you're not at loss. Googlize to know why.

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because AMD processors blow Intels out of the water - they have been faster and more efficient since the 1ghz mark. Intel has more ghz, yet AMD has superior productivity.

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1. Alan's hat size

2. RH9 sounds like a sports car, while RH8.1 sounds like some software package for geeks

3. Even Marketing thought "Red Hat 11" was too extreme

4. Damn T-shirt vendor couldn't follow directions. Oh well, the shirts have arrived

5. Subtle hint to Red Hat 6.2 admins: time to shell out for a cert upgrade

6. Someone bet Mandrake a long time ago that "we'll reach version 10 before you guys".

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"Even Marketing thought "Red Hat 11" was too extreme"

<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...but, it goes to 11

(Someone had to do it)

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And<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 releases are notoriously buggy. M$ Word 5.0, RedHat 6.0, RedHat 7.0, MacOS 9.0, the AMC Pacer, you get the drift....

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HAHAHAHA. Yeah, I wanted to use that one, but it didn't make the cut.

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..they did it to gain publicity.

Didn't get it? Read the article and comments once more<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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who gives a phuq

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To see if Apple will release OS XXX before Redhat can release RH69. "RedHat 69, the OS of choice for pr0n connoisseurs everywhere"

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Hpefuly RH will get the clue to make its new version better than its crapy release of RH 8.0. Hopefuly RH9 will come with built in mp3 support, and bundled with the latest release of Xine. If they listen to their custumers they will hepufuly release RH9 with the latest version of KDE (currently KDE 3.1) without editing it. They should also make KDE the default desktop manager instead of Gnome, which by the way is the worst desktop manager out there.


                                                                  - RH8 User

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>built in mp3 support

Nope.

>latest release of Xine

Nope.

>latest version of KDE (currently KDE 3.1) without editing it

Nope.

>make KDE the default desktop manager instead of Gnome

Nope.

>- RH8 User

Nope. You sound more like a Mandrake or SuSE user. A Red Hat user would know that 8 was a good release, that mp3 and Xine were easily obtainable, and that the whole point of 8 was to unify the two desktops.

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I add another one to this will they ship kpackage with it which was missing in rh 8.0


          Anirban Biswas.

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WAAAAAAH they edited KDE and I don't know what to do!!! Take a couple of pills, close your eyes and end your infernal suffering over your sorry ass problem, or shut the fuck up. RedHat did what they did because that's what people like ME asked them to do. Sorry ass wanna be linux users like yourself can't seem to get that through your stupid fucking heads. Go back to windows you little sorry ass puke.

The less bitches like you, the further Linux will go in the REAL FUCKING WORLD!

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newsflash jackass: if you are incompitent enough to actually need a unified desktop, you have no room whatsoever to call someone a 'wanna be linux user". moron

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Competent. Hostile message full of typos and verging on completely incoherent? Check. Linux user? Check.

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You said:
They should also make KDE the default desktop manager instead of Gnome, which by the way is the worst desktop manager out there.

I Say: Go Suck Ass, Monkey Boy

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Oh, and get a fucking spellchecker, or did Red Hat leave that out of 8 too?

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"Gnome, which by the way is the worst desktop manager out there."

In your opinion.

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I didn't think RH 8.0 was all that bad...and certainly not as "crapy" as you implied. MP3 support was dropped because of the licencing issues and if you want to use Xine to play DVD movie discs out of the box, you have to break the law (the libdvdcss library is illegal in many countries) !! It's interesting to note that Windows Media Player 9 can't play DVD movies by default either...Microsoft suggest you go and buy a DVD codec just to play DVDs within WMP 9...

I have no problem with Red Hat adding themes to KDE and Gnome and making them the default - that's one of the few things (other than the installer) which the distros can use to differentiate themselves. The fact that Red Hat used the same theme in both desktops was a very good idea (making it a bit easier to switch between the two).

I use GNOME myself because I find KDE takes a bit longer to start up and runs more "stuff" in the background to support the desktop. Mind you, I do remove Nautilius from my GNOME environment (in fact, I "rpm -e" it from the system), which does help an awful lot on the GNOME side...

I don't mind rapid releases too much myself, but the fact that 8.0 will EOL'd after only 15 months of existence (31 Dec 2003 for those who don't know the 8.0 doomsday date) is very disappointing, particularly for us folks who have it on live production servers (I can see a "Happy New Year 2004 Installing 9.X" session come next January...).

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They need to remove THAT virus that Red Hat 8.0 came with, AKA BlueCurve. When I pick KDE, I want KDE and when I pick Gnome, I want Gnome.

And like it was stated, they need to include MP3 support. The Red Hat support said my wireless card, which is a Linksys WPC11 wasn't supported...bull. With a little hacking, it IS supported.

RH is getting to be a LOT more like MS.

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> They need to remove THAT virus that Red Hat 8.0 came with, AKA BlueCurve. When I pick KDE, I want KDE and when I pick Gnome, I want Gnome.

And when I pick Red Hat, I want a unified desktop.

But you apparently won't respect my choice. You have decided that my choice is invalid, and must be erased.

With an attitude like yours, I have trouble believing that you are an Open Source supporter. You sound more like an astroturfer trying to FUD Red Hat.

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