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Interview: Morphix founder Alex de Landgraaf

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<SLASH HREF="http://morphix.sourceforge.net/modules/news/" ID="19ed94c88a9131c31a5db2719a527c44" TITLE="" TYPE="LINK">Morphix</SLASH> is an Open Source/Free Linux distribution, based on Debian GNU/Linux and Knoppix. Morphix is a modular distribution with live-CD support that can be tested without the need to install. It is still experimental, but it is growing in popularity. Users can choose among Morphix ISO images such as an XFCE4-based one for low-end systems, Gnome 2.2 or KDE 3.1 for higher-end desktops, and a game ISO for gaming enthusiasts.

Prakash Advani conducted an email interview with Alex de Landgraaf, the founder and the lead maintainer of the project. Alex is 21 years old and a student of artificial intelligence and computer science at the Vrije Universiteit (Free University) in Amsterdam. He reports he loves coding, Debian, gaming, beer, music, and more beer. He hates bugs (alive or self-caused), short-sighted people, and too much fresh air.

When did you start Morphix and why?

I actually started playing around with Knoppix, was pretty active on knoppix.net, in December 2002. I had a remastered version called KnopNL, because I was planning to make a light-weight Dutch distribution. There was (and still is) a lively community working on making specific distributions using Knoppix, but I saw time and time again that people had to "put Knoppix on a diet" and merge new changes from Knoppix before they could do anything useful. There was an adapted version called kix, which was pretty small, but not small enough for me. I thought up a modular design to build a live CD, which would relieve all the remasterers from upgrading changes and let them work on the actual task at hand. Thus Morphix was born from Knoppix. :)

Why did you decided to choose Knoppix as the base?

Well, when you say Linux live CD, you say Knoppix. Knoppix is well-known for its near-perfect hardware recognition, and as it's based on Debian, it can't get much better. But we're doing our best!

What are the benefits of having Debian as the base?

Well, sane package management of course :). Personally, I've tried out a lot of different distributions. I still do, if only to look around for good ideas. But in the end, having 10,000 packages available within your grasp, that take mere seconds to install, and (near-)flawless dependency handling -- it's like being Charlie in the Chocolate Factory: too good to be true. :)

Why aren't Morphix binaries optimized for the Pentium?

The kernel is optimized for 468 PCs, the standard packages aren't optimized at all. We all know optimizing for your PC doesn't help much (especially when running a live CD), and it leaves enough time left for the good things in life. Like coding. And beer. ;)

What is the key difference between Morphix and Knoppix?

Knoppix was made as a rescue CD, and to demonstrate Linux. Morphix was made to facilitate the making of your own live CD. The key difference is the modular design, the side differences are that I'm more into experimenting with new kernels and patches, different packages, and an attempt to make an install as Debian-like and easy as possible.

Since Knoppix has also decided to move to a modular system, will people still prefer Morphix?

If Knoppix really goes modular, I hope the design will be as good or better than that of Morphix. If it is, we might be able to merge changes, or at least make the modules compatible.

The big question isn't "will people still prefer Morphix?", but "will Knoppix become Morphix?". The Knoppix team and I have been working together on some issues, but I don't expect things to move very fast. Then again, if Morphix becomes irrelevant and interest fades away, Morphix will fade away too. But really, things are moving in quite the opposite direction. For now Morphix is here to stay. :)

What's new in the recently released Morphix 0.4?

Heaps of fixes, a load of new minimodules, Enemy Territory in the Game version (instead of Q3A and UT2003, which are available separately as minimodules), a load of new bugs (most of them my fault; thankfully there are enough alert beta testers who won't cease to report and sometimes fix them), Firebird in both Light and Game -- the list goes on and on ... and don't forget the new bootsplash screen (thanks to bootsplash.org for their hard work!).

Other than Knoppix, where does Morphix draw its inspirations from?

Every distro I can get my hands on! But really, I talk to a lot of people, and if someone tells me about a new feature, or has a new idea, I just give it a try. The main problem is that there are too many ideas left to implement, and too few free hours left to work on them every day. I used the old Mac OSes extensively, so that's my personal inspiration on how Morphix could end up (easy to get stuff done), but if I think something in Windows might be worth the trouble, I'll try it out to see if it is possible. I'm quite interested in UI design, so I sometimes wonder how I've ended up with a distro. XFCE4 works well enough for now, though. :)

Are there any forks of Morphix?

Morphix is built on trying to be as forkable as possible, that's what it was built for. There are a number of different distributions based on Morphix, and some are more connected to Morphix than others. In a few months I hope to have more forks, and a way to easily download forked modules. I'm aiming for a community of module maintainers, and things are looking pretty good in that aspect.

How may people have downloaded Morphix so far?

40,000? 60,000? 80,000? I don't know! I think sf.net now has something like 40,000 downloads, but we link to the files themselves too (as does DistroWatch), so their statistics are probably off. And we've only been hosting on sf.net since 0.3-5.

Do you know of any large organization that is using Morphix?

Thankfully no! It still has quite a lot of bugs, but things are slowly getting better. Even then, Morphix isn't a full platform to be used in large organizations, not yet. Recently, Debian-NP (non-profit) has been started, a Debian subproject, and they have been interested in a Morphix/Knoppix-based system for distributing. It'll be interesting to see how this will work out, as on the workstation side Morphix works fine (although there is work left to be done), but for quick deployment you need a server distribution too. Having two different types of live CDs to quickly set up a network, that would be fun. :)

Do you think CD bootable Linux distros are the way to go?

Naturally; if I didn't I wouldn't have started Morphix. :) I think the popularity of Knoppix speaks for itself. Live CDs are a great thing to have around, and certainly much more useful than a Red Hat CD lying around somewhere. They are easy and fast to use, cheap to give away, and when installing is easy they make for a great hard disk distribution. Some people might want to juggle around with 7 CDs, or want to build their system up from scratch. Kudos to them, but if John Doe wants to give GNU/Linux a spin, starting the computer and popping in a CD should be all it takes. To get stuff done quickly, live CDs beat install-first distributions hands down. In terms of flexibility, however, install-first distributions have the advantage. Morphix is a hybrid, letting you choose at download time what you'll end up with. It gives you a choice.

Will that help in the desktop acceptability of Linux?

It lowers the bar for people trying out GNU/Linux, naturally. But personally, I think projects like OpenOffice.org, Evolution, and Mozilla are a tad more important. Users can forgive the trauma of installing something if what they get is worth the trouble and does the job. Live CDs give John Doe a preview of what they'll have once they take the trouble of installing.

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excellent!

Posted by: smitty45 on August 29, 2003 06:46 AM
One of the best LOOKING liveCD distros there is, without a doubt. Of course, XFCE is one of the main reasons for it.

I have, however, tried my best to slim down a Morphix distro to a credi-card CD size, but I can't seem to get it right. I do like DamnSmallLinux, but the flux/hackedbox just isn't nearly as pretty as Morphix...

anyone have any luck ? Alex, are you still reading ? any ideas or plans for a bbc-style version, or a howto on getting it down under 50mb and still keep XFCE ?

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Re:excellent!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 07, 2003 12:51 AM
I'm afraid Morphix is made primarily for its modularity, it's not a get-it-as-small-as-you-can design (although the base module was, and I'm doing my best to keep LightGUI below the 210mb mark for minicd's).

Having said that, it would be possible, just not practical to get a morphix-derivative below 50mb. DSL compromises things like alsa for space, you could throw out more stuff from the base module to get it as small as possible, and try to add XFree-vesa/fb directly to it. XFCE4 is pretty large when compared to flux, too, so I seriously doubt it would fit. Then again, it's not impossible<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

Bottomline: You'd have to ditch the modularity for space

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morphix rules

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 29, 2003 03:51 PM
Way to go Alex!!

Good to FINALLY see Newsforge focusing on the community instead of SCO and MS for change.

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Morphix

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 31, 2003 02:30 AM
Definatley time for me to try Morphix again.

I tried Morphix months ago, just after Knoppix 3.2 came out and was terribly dissapointed that although Knoppix recognised my hardware, Morphix.

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Another Debian fork should tell you something

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 31, 2003 02:34 AM
This simply shows what the hard-headed Debian "developers" are reluctant to pick up and admit: that although Debian is "a *great* distro" (blah, blah, blah) it's frozen in time by way of their work processes, that are too slow to respond to necessary changes.

  If you use Debian, you have to choose between a 1998 desktop, or make a hybrid that will break in the end. The fact is most people use a hybrid that defeats all the jive about "well, we aim for stability (blah, blah, blah)".

  Debian should be bleeding edge, but it isn't. It is quickly becoming an ageing dinosaur. It doesn't tend to the *needs* of the actual community, and thus you begin to see all kinds of Debian forks.

  As long as Debian chooses to have a bunch of "developers" who are really just "maintainers" of insignificant packages (some are really lame...I happen to know a bunchfull), at the same time having the same rights to vote as a Bruce Perens, or Colin Watson, it is bound to wither and die. It is already happening and all these forks with better GUI, better desktops, HW detection, etc, show.

  I prefer FreeBSD, as it has a much more organized a hierarchical workflow.


  - Jeremy Smith

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Re:Another Debian fork should tell you something

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 01, 2003 12:11 AM
Debian is big and this makes it a big ship to steer.

However, I do not agree with your characterization of Debian as an "ageing dinosaur". The _stable_ distribution is aged. For stable's target market (servers), that isn't a big problem. The unstable distribution, on the other hand, is quite current and, its name notwithstanding, quite stable. Most Debian developers run the unstable distribution themselves and consequently bugs are few and get fixed quickly.

Debian developers are well aware that people want a higher frequency of stable releases. They are working on achieving that and it may happen.

You are right that a large number of Debian developers don't play vital roles in the project, but I don't see why you think that this is in itself a fatal problem.

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Re:Another Debian fork should tell you something

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 01, 2003 06:37 AM
nice *debian is dying troll.

if it was dying surely it wouldnt get forked..

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Re:Another Debian fork should tell you something

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 05, 2003 11:40 PM
One of Debians goal is to be a base for different targeted distros, so Your argument is prety stupid.

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Re:Another Debian fork should tell you something

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 07, 2003 01:06 AM
Okay, I'll bite.

Debian is bleeding edge, if you use sid (Like I do with Morphix). There has been talk on integrating Knoppix more with Debian, and I'm hoping Debian will profit from Morphix in the long run too. However, Morphix isn't a fork: the current modules of Morphix are just from packages that are available in sid, so you could see Morphix more as a snapshot of Debian sid. With a few bugs, which is why the quality of each release differs, but generally improves.

There have been groups trying to make Debian more useful for desktop-users, like Debian-desktop (duh), but as there isn't one driving force. It's pretty much dead now. Debian-np, and other debian subprojects like it, have more perspective, as they have a goal: Make a useable desktop for Non-profit organizations. You can't get people to work on something they don't see as necessary to scratch.

Having said that, you are right that Debian needs to wake up and release more often. But without a strong leadership, you can't force 1000 people to do what you are proposing, as each of those 1000 people have different ideas on what Debian should be.

For my personal rant to try to wake up a few Debian-developers in 2001, that leaded nowhere but which contains elements of ideas in Morphix: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-<nobr>8<wbr></nobr> &threadm=002e01c15d47%2483a6ea60%240201a8c0%40jmp<nobr>u<wbr></nobr> rser.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26<nobr>i<wbr></nobr> e%3DISO-8859-1%26q%3DOdyssey%2BDebian%2Bproject%2<nobr>6<wbr></nobr> sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg

Cheers,
Alex

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