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Review: UnixWare 7.1.4 is suitable for basic server duty

By Logan Harbaugh on August 10, 2004 (8:00:00 AM)

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UnixWare 7.1.4 is the latest in a long line of Unix releases from The SCO Group. It is a stable and mature Unix, with a variety of basic servers included, such as the Apache Web server and Squid, and is available in both single-user desktop-oriented versions and server versions. It has reasonable support for hardware, good documentation, and a nice integrated management utility that offers unified administration of the OS, hardware, and servers. Performance as a server platform is good, supporting a number of TCP sessions and Web server users, and file transfer performance is competitive with Linux and Windows platforms. However, as a desktop OS or file/print server, UnixWare is hard to recommend over competitors.

The new 7.1.4 version adds a number of new capabilities to UnixWare, including the common Unix printing system (CUPS), GIMP-print printer drivers, ESP Ghostscript PostScript and PDF interpreter and renderer, URW++ fonts, Java 2 Standard Edition (J2SE) 1.4.2, J2SE runtime environment, the Java Communications API 2.0, PostgreSQL 7.4.2, MySQL 3, Samba 3.0, Cdrtools, OpenLDAP (Lightweight Directory Access Protocol), and Compaq and Intel PCI hot-plug drivers. It also now supports IPSec VPN tunneling, OpenSSL and OpenSSH, USB 2.0, ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface), and Hyperthreading for Pentium 4 and Xeon processors. UnixWare treats a Hyperthreaded processor as a single processor, an advantage for applications with multi-processor licensing. Other new hardware support items include support for IDE drives with ATA-6 and drives over 128GB, support for over 8GB RAM, support for the Intel 845 audio chipset. A recovery disk can be made on a CD to boot the system when problems occur. This CD boots to a text prompt and makes basic utilities available, including cat, chroot, cpio, date, dd, echo, edvtoc, fdisk, find, fsck, grep, ksh, labelit, ln, s, mkdir, mkfs, mount, prtvtoc, rm, sty and vi. Once the system is booted, kernel and operating system files can be restored. Finally, SCO has added support for Network Time Protocol v4.

The OS includes several interfaces, including the Motif-based CDE and the UnixWare-specific Panorama window manager and a character-based interface. The default CDE interface will not seem foreign to users familiar with other versions of Unix, although I personally prefer the KDE 3.x GUI.

UnixWare includes the capability for kernel personality modules. The only one that seems to be available at the moment is the OpenServer module. There was a Linux personality module, but that has been withdrawn for now, pending the resolution of legal issues. The OpenServer personality module, once installed, allows OpenServer binaries to be run without re-compiling. The Linux module would have done the same for Linux binaries. According to technical support people at SCO, other Linux binaries can be installed in place of the Linux kernel personality, but I was unable to get this to work. This means that most readily available open source applications need to be recompiled and the associated libraries need to be manually installed as well. UnixWare comes with a C compiler.

For those interested in using UnixWare as a desktop OS, the current lack of the Linux Kernel Personality (LKP) means that any open source applications will probably need to be recompiled to be usable. While NeTraverse Merge 5.3.26c allows the UnixWare server to run Windows application all the way back to Windows for Workgroups 3.11, I found that Windows NT applications did not run in three out of four cases, and even recent applications such as Microsoft Office 97 and 2000 caused very high CPU utilization and had slower response times on a 3.2 GHz Pentium 4 than the same version of Office running on a 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 system with half the RAM running Windows 2000. The OpenOffice.org suite found in many desktop-oriented Linux distributions is not included with UnixWare, and getting it to work might be problematic without the LKP.

UnixWare 7.1.4 can run OpenServer applications (including Xenix applications) using the OpenServer Kernel Personality (OKP) function. OKP lite is included with UnixWare, and requires an existing OSR5 disk set and a license that matches the number of CPUs in your system. OKP lite is included in the media kit at no additional charge and is enabled by copying an existing OSR5 image and applications onto the UnixWare System. OKP full is for customers who need a fresh install of OpenServer 5.0.7 on UnixWare and is available for $250. The OKP package allows users to run OpenServer applications back to version 2.x of OpenServer.

Bang for the buck?

There are six editions of UnixWare, varying in the number of users supported, the amount of RAM supported, and the number of CPUs supported. Users, CPU, and memory capability can be upgraded separately. If you're looking for a Web server platform and don't need to support multiple users, the smallest editions are reasonably priced in comparison with other Web server platforms, such as Red Hat Enterprise Server. By the time you get to the ability to support more than 10 users as a file/print server, however, or when looking at the OS as a desktop platform, the case for UnixWare gets harder to make.

It is difficult to discern any advantage UnixWare might have over competitive desktop and server platforms. On the desktop, the Windows emulation product, NeTraverse Merge, works reasonably well, but is more expensive than Windows XP Professional, while desktop-oriented versions of Linux such as Mandrake offer an easier installation, more desktop applications included with the distribution, and an equally good Windows emulator. On the server side, UnixWare Enterprise edition is more expensive for 150 users than either Windows 2003 Server Datacenter Edition, any of the Enterprise Linux distributions, or Solaris, with fewer available applications, fewer drivers for recent HBAs and other new hardware, and no currently available 64-bit version for either Opteron or Itanium processors.

The SCOadmin utility offers management of the OS and some of the associated servers, such as the Sendmail server, through a single integrated interface. The modules include an account manager, license manager, login session viewer, mail manager, print job manager, printer setup manager, process manager, SCOadmin setup wizard (for setting up remote management), task scheduler, Veritas volume manager, and virtual domain user manager. Other server administration, such as Apache 1.3 or 2.0.49 and Tomcat Java application server administration, is not currently supported through the GUI. Other applications may not have all the options available on the command line that are available through the GUI.

UnixWare also offers an optional failover clustering product called Reliant HA, which allows a simple installation of up to four nodes for failover, disk mirroring, and Online Data Manger 3.2 (based on the Veritas file system) for disk replication, an automatic update service, and support. Each of these is an extra-cost add-on.

I tested UnixWare by installing it on eight different systems. I tested server performance by installing an Apache 2.0 server and comparing the total number of connections it could support as well as the number of hits per second that could be generated using WebLoad 6. Performance of the Web server was comparable to Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0 running the same version of Apache on the same hardware -? 22,061 connections vs. 22,121 respectively, and 38,941 hits per second vs. 39,566 respectively. I tested stability by crashing a variety of server and desktop applications; the operating system and other applications were never affected.

Installation

I received the retail box containing a slim "getting started" manual and eight CDs. Installation of the OS is via a character-based interface that seems rather clumsy in comparison with the GUI interfaces of Windows or Linux. In general, autodetection of PC hardware was good, although three of the eight test systems I installed UnixWare on had at least one problem with hardware detection, compared with zero for all Windows XP or 2003, zero for Mandrake Linux 10.0, and two for Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0. Entering the license key information is also easy to do incorrectly -- there are two keys for the OS and three for some of the additional products, with keys containing upper and lower case letters, numbers, and even punctuation.

The disk partitioning software worked well, although in cases where there were existing partitions, it took some fiddling to figure out how to erase them -- the installer did not offer to do this automatically. There is no included dual boot utility, although installing Linux after UnixWare does work. The partition utility allows for additional NTFS or Linux partitions, but doesn?t always correctly identify them.

There are a number of additional packages you can install with the OS or afterwards, including the NeTraverse Merge Windows emulator, Advanced File and Print Services (which supports older Windows and DOS clients, separately from the Samba server), ReliantHA Clustering for up to four-node failover clustering, and SCO Update Service and SCO Support Service. Each of these requires a separate license number and license key, and some a long license data string as well.

During the install, four levels of security can be specified -- Low, Traditional (the default), Improved (C2), and High (Above C2). You can downgrade the security level after the install, but not upgrade it. Enabling the highest level disables SSL and SSH access to the server.

The bottom line

UnixWare 7.1.4 offers some high quality Unix features including OS stability and security, disk replication, a decent GUI management package, Windows emulation, good documentation, and a reasonable suite of server applications. However, the relatively high prices for adding multiple users and CPUs, high cost of the support package, and relative dearth of available software since the LKP package was removed make UnixWare hard to justify as a file/print or mail server, or desktop OS. It would make a good Web server or application server.

 

Small Business

Base

Business

Departmental

Enterprise

Data Center

Price

$599

$799

$1,399

$2,299

$4,999

$9,999

Users

1

1

10

25

50

150

CPUs

1

1

4

4

6

8

Memory

1GB

2GB

4GB

8GB

16GB

32GB

UnixWare 7.1.4 Editions

Small Business Edition 1-User, 1 GB, 1-CPU $599

Base Edition 1-User, 2 GB, 1-CPU $799

Business Edition 10-User, 4 GB, 4-CPU $1,399

Departmental Edition 25-User, 8 GB, 4-CPU $2,299

Enterprise Edition 50-User, 16 GB, ODM, 6-CPU $4,999

Data Center Edition 150-User, 32 GB, ODM, 8-CPU$9,999

UnixWare 7.1.4 Editions With Bundled Support *

Small Business Edition 1-User, 1 GB, 1-CPU Plus Support $2,224

Base Edition 1-User, 2 GB, 1-CPU PLus Support $2,424

Business Edition 10-User, 4 GB, 4-CPU PLus Support $3,024

Departmental Edition 25-User, 8 GB, 4-CPU PLus Support $3,924

Enterprise Edition 50-User, 16 GB, ODM, 6-CPU Plus Support $6,624

* Includes 6 months of SCO Support

UnixWare 7.1.4 Editions Plus SCO Update

Small Business Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update $719

Base Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update $959

Business Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update $1,679

Departmental Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update $2,759

Enterprise Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update $5,999

Data Center Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update $11,999

UnixWare 7.1.4 Editions Plus SCO Update and Support**

Small Business Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update and Support $2,344

Base Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update and Support $2,584

Business Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update and Support $3,304

Departmental Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update and Support $4,384

Enterprise Edition 7.1.4 with SCO Update and Support $7,624

** Includes 6 months of SCO Support and SCO Update

SCO Update Add-On For UnixWare 7.1.4

SCO Update for UnixWare 7.1.4 Small Business Edition $149

SCO Update for UnixWare 7.1.4 Base Edition $199

SCO Update for UnixWare 7.1.4 Business Edition $349

SCO Update for UnixWare 7.1.4 Departmental Edition $569

SCO Update for UnixWare 7.1.4 Enterprise Edition $1,249

SCO Update for UnixWare 7.1.4 Data Center Edition $2,499

These SCO Update Licenses are Edition Specific and may only be installed on systems licensed for the corresponding edition

Additional User Packs
10 Additional User License $499

25 Additional User License $1,199

100 Additional User License $4,699

500 Additional User License $22,999

UNLIMITED User License $24,999

5 Additional User License for Small Business Edition Only $499

Note: With the exception of the Small Business Edition, additional User Licenses add together in any order or combination and apply to all UnixWare 7.1.4 Editions. The Small Business Edition may only use the special 5-user pack.

Additional License Packs

Additional Processor Upgrade $1,499

Up to 4 GBytes Memory for Base Edition $499

Up to 16 GBytes Memory $999

Up to 32 GBytes Memory $1,999

Up to 64 GBytes Memory $3,999

UnixWare 7.1.4 OpenServer Kernel Personality (OKP) Licenses

The OKP add-on supports the installation of a full OpenServer application environment on UnixWare 7.1.4 including emulation support for most Xenix applications in use with OpenServer today. The Lite version is a no-charge add-on which may be used to directly migrate an existing OpenServer 5.0.4 through OpenServer 5.0.7 system along with already installed applications and data files. The Full version provides a fresh OpenServer 5.0.7 image for installation on UnixWare 7.1.4. This option is a good choice for customers who want to move a limited number of applications and also move to the latest release of OpenServer on UnixWare.

OKP FULL - Includes fresh OSR5.0.7 Image $249

Data Management

Online Data Manager 3.2 License $999

Disk Mirroring 3.2 License $495

Merge 5.3 Server Version License 5-User $1,349

Desktop Version License $399

Additional 10-User License $999

Additional 25-User License $2,499

Advanced File and Print Server 4.0

5-User Base Package $995

10-User License $1,095

25-User License $2,695

Unlimited-User License $6,495

User Licenses require the purchase of a Base Package.

Clustering

ReliantHA is a clustering solution for enterprises requiring high levels of application and data availability. ReliantHA increases the overall availability of applications and critical data by connecting multiple servers together as nodes within a single high-availability fail-over cluster. Applications do not need to be aware of the operation of the cluster, and all nodes within the cluster may be used simultaneously for processing. Each node in the cluster needs to be licensed.

Reliant HA 1.1.4

Single Server License $2,999

Special Clustering Bundles

2-Node Bundle for UnixWare 7.1.4 $5,799

Includes two (2) UnixWare 7.1.4 Business Edition operating system licenses and two (2) Reliant HA Single Server licenses.

2-Node Bundle with SCO Update $6,359

Includes two (2) UnixWare 7.1.4 Business Edition operating system licenses with SCO Update and two (2) Reliant HA Single Server licenses.

UnixWare and Open Server Development Kit

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Poisoned their water well

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 10, 2004 09:48 PM

Too bad SCO has poisoned their own water well.

No one in their right mind would do business with a company that sues their own customers.

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Litigious bastards.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 10, 2004 09:58 PM
You're going to get sued.

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I would never recommend SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 10, 2004 10:08 PM
SCO is a company that sues it's customers. Only an idiot would have anything to do with them or their 'product'. Have you looked at how the stock has gone back down? They are in litigation against their own financial backers (Royal Bank of Canada), IBM, Novell, RedHat and Autozone. They lost against Dahmler Chrysler. Why would anyone buy a product from a company who most likely will not be around to provide security fixes or support. Why don't you review a colt 45, then put it to your head because that's what spending alot of your companies hard earned cash on UnixWare would be, 'career suicide'!

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Re:I would never recommend SCO

Posted by: jlar on August 10, 2004 10:19 PM
I second that:-)

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Re:I would never recommend SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 06:38 AM
I third that.

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Re:I would never recommend SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 07:18 AM
I killed the guy who was going to fourth that.

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Re:I would never recommend SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 08:00 AM
i'll take 7th...

is that enough yet?

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Re:I would never recommend SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 08:11 AM
Well... I have just seen the guys in slots number eight, nine and eleven taking their leaves and running outside.

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Parasites

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 10, 2004 11:13 PM
SCO are parasites. Look at how many open source products make up 'Unixware'. How many of these are subject to GPL, the license which they treat with disdain. And look at the ridiculous prices they charge for other people's software.

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Re:Parasites

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 06:41 AM
Regarding some of these products using the GPL, that's only if SCO agrees to the terms of the GPL (which is only relevant for companies that don't own UNIX).

Since UNIX belongs to SCO, technically all GPL software is their software to do with what they please.

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Re:Parasites

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 07:16 AM
What?

>Since UNIX belongs to SCO.

Do they? The name UNIX actually belongs to The X/Open group? I believe that IBM's OS390 is classed as UNIX but it contains no SYS-V code. Does that belong to SCO too? And to top it off they seem unable to show ownership of any SYS-V code? Did novell assign ALL copyrights/patents to oldSCO? Judging by the latest Novell documentation in the SCOvNOVELL case I suspect we won't be waiting much longer to find out !

>technically all GPL software is their software to do with what they please.

So SCO own my own contributions to GPL'd programs? Don't think so!

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Waste of Money

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 10, 2004 11:45 PM
This product is a complete waste of money.

Apart from the base operating system, all the function is provided by open source software products. These can be got either for free or cheaper elsewhere.

Even if you mistakingly believe that SCO has any case against Linux, you can always use an alternate, core, underlying operating system.

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Re:Waste of Money

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 03:47 PM
I have to admit, any O/S that makes Windows 2003 look like good value for money is certainly somthing to sit up and take notice of, although not in a good way.

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Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 12:04 AM
I know they can, but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
them using apache..just freaks me out,
they are picking fruits from their neighbours trees.

Can't we exclude SCO in the license?
(pretty plzzz)

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 12:41 AM
> Can't we exclude SCO in the license?
> (pretty plzzz)

The fact of the matter is that open source licensing cannot exclude anybody. It's the same as taking open source to create a ICBM guidance control to basically kill lots of people - you have all the right to use OSS.

It's no longer GPL/OSS if you exclude people doing bad things with or against OSS. I saw the latest GCC 3.4 readme and FSF are being dishonest when they pull SCO support. It just hurts their credibility and portrays them as being childish. FSF should be above such pettyness.

You can sue Microsof and still use Windows and Word to write the lawsuit.

Grow up, will ya!

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Graham Lee on August 11, 2004 01:30 AM
I saw the latest GCC 3.4 readme and FSF are being dishonest when they pull SCO support.

Not IMHO, as you are perfectly Free to fork GCC and implement the support, as long as you make your source available to anyone you distribute the modified version to. As per the GPL version 2.0. They don't support NeXTSTEP either [though for different reasons] any more, so if I wanted a new GCC I'd have to port it myself. Or just make do without the new version. That is what the Freedom of Free Software amounts to - the choice to use whatever software you want also gives you the choice not to write that software.

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 02:41 AM
"I saw the latest GCC 3.4 readme and FSF are being dishonest when they pull SCO support."

Hold on a minute. SCO, just like anyone else, can still use GCC. The GCC maintainers are perfectly within their rights to stop supporting SCO - there is no dishonesty involved. SCO's engineers, if they still have any, can fork off their own branch from GCC 3.3 or whatever.

FSF's SCO policy has nothing to do with licensing, it has to do with to what features of the program itself the GCC maintainers choose to devote their energies. Personally, I think it would be almost psychotic for anyone allied with the FSF to lift a finger to support SCO.

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 05:42 AM
> FSF's SCO policy has nothing to do with licensing,

It's everything to do with SCO tactics against IBM/GPL. THey just pulled out SCO support out of spite for SCO and with no regard to SCO's customers, who aren't involved with that dispute.

FSF is free to do whatever. Why the hell do they support Windows in cygwin/gcc?. After all Bill Gates has rediculed GPL as being viral. Perhaps FSF, should pull Solaris support next because Sun bought the UNIX license from SCO. Maybe get rid of PowerPC/MacOSX because Apple is a proprietary company. Where will it stop?

These matters are for FSF's lawyers and not for FSF's programmers.

Reminds me of a news piece where they were interviewing US medics in Iraq and some were having to tend to iraqi insurgents wounded and while they were appalled in helping the enemy, it was their job so they did it.

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 07:36 AM
As everyone knows, the removal of m88k architecture in gcc 3.3 was just because of gnu's deep hatred for motorola, was purely politically motivated, and has nothing to do with a dead platform. They removed i860 support because they despis Intel. Yeah. Whatever.

gnu removed nextstep / sco support because there was very little interest in supporting those platforms before 3.4.

but doing sco gcc work now could get you subpoena'd or sued. why should anyone be _forced_ to support a dead platform with a shrinking userbase which could get you into legal trouble?

support of windows in cygwin/gcc is because there is still an active userbase and a strong demand for it.

the same can't be said for sco. everyone is madly migrating away from the platform, not to it.

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 09:03 AM
> gnu removed nextstep / sco support because there
> was very little interest in supporting those
> platforms before 3.4.

SCO dead?. Not from the looks of this review!. There's still a large userbase. You may wish them dead doesn't make it so.

> but doing sco gcc work now could get you
> subpoena'd or sued. why should anyone be
> _forced_ to support a dead platform with a
> shrinking userbase which could get you into
> legal trouble?

What?. You really don't know what you are talking about. GCC is applications layer and to this date, nobody has sued FSF for any kind of GCC infrigement. Again, you may not use UnixWare or Open Server but there's a market there and SCO is coming out with new releases.

I'm not defending SCO here but I am trying to defend freedom. Tomorrow, Microsoft sues Novell for MONO patent infrigements and now Microsoft regains it's "most hated company in the world" status, does that still mean FSF will remove cygwin support because all of a sudden FSF programmers can be sued?

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 09:20 AM
No one is under any obligation to support SCO's customers except SCO. I assume SCO's customers probably bought a non-free(as in bucks!) support plan. If their customers need GCC 3.4, then SCO can support them themselves. They have access to the source.

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 11:43 AM
>You can sue Microsof and still use Windows and Word to write the lawsuit.


            I,personally, would use Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux (it's free, but not OSS).

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Re:Open source..?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 02:59 PM
The freedom to do
0. run the software
1. examine the software
2. change the software
3. distribute the software, original or derivate, either gratis or for a fee, passing on the rights given in the GNU GPL is what our community is all about. In short, NO you cannot exclude SCO or any other party. A license is a right to use something that is not yours. The terms of use are given by the copyright holder. If you distribute GNU GPLed software or a derivate, but do not pass on these freedoms, you have broken the terms of the license. In short, you cannot distribute that way anymore, but must comply, otherwise you do not have a license.

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Pricing and licensing confusion

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 12:57 AM
Look at all that pricing and licensing documentation! In the time it would take to figure out which release you need and want to buy, you could have your favorite Linux/*BSD distribution installed and running.

Why would anyone want to spend that much time figuring out how to spend thousands of dollars? It's just another difficulty potential customers have to overcome for the priviledge of giving SCO money. And they wonder why people are not buying their stuff! Forget the technical merits, it's hard just to figure out what they are selling!

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Re:Pricing and licensing confusion

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 10:09 PM
Their pricing is such that they run the risk of making a small Sun or IBM RISC server seem economical in comparison.

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Re:Pricing and licensing confusion

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2004 12:46 PM
YOU ARE Insane for doing business with SCO , anyone who works with backstabbing-Microserfs like SCO is very bad people , also the Use of Open source programs in thier Crap si disgusting , they should be taken out of the market ASAP!

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I do business with SCO

Posted by: RJDohnert on August 11, 2004 02:00 AM
I do business with them and I havent been sued yet. I dont have too many licenses with them but I like UnixWare and OpenServer. I also deploy Linux and Windows and Im sure if I talk to SCO they wont sue me.

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Re:I do business with SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 02:21 AM
I do business with them and I haven't been sued yet.

I think 'yet' is the operative word here.

I also deploy Linux and Windows and Im sure if I talk to SCO they wont sue me.


What's your point? The only reason you might be safe is your small and insignificant. Is that what your were really trying to say? By the looks of your weblog, I don't think having your business would be profitable enough to sustain a company. Sueing you might not yield more than an X-box you got for christmas and a few games. You don't even have a real domain, just one of those cheesy free web accounts.

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Re:I do business with SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 03:11 AM
This Roberto guy that you responded to is a known troll. Don't bother.

He trolls every news site around and writes FUD about Linux. He claims he is a programmer at a big company and a consultant and many people have asked him to tell us which company or which software he has written.

Trust me, this guy is nothing more than a disgusting troll.

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Re:I do business with SCO

Posted by: opteron_user on August 11, 2004 04:51 AM
> You don't even have a real domain, just one of those cheesy free web accounts.

Please point out to me where the original poster said that.

> What's your point?

I believe his point his that with his current connection with SCO he does not think that he will be sued so he has now problem using SCO products with Windows and Linux.

Everything you have said are unfounded claims intented to attack someone who said something mildly positive about
SCO.

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Re:I do business with SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 06:07 AM
Look in the authors line at the beginning of the parent message.

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Re:I do business with SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 02:45 AM
No, they won't sue you now. They'll wait until they're a little short on cash and then reinterpret something in your contract to put you in violation of it.

And if by "talk" you mean "pay off" of course you'll get along with SCO just fine. They'll keep coming back for more, but if you keep giving in to their unfounded demands for more money things will be fine.

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Re:I do business with SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 10:50 PM
I'm sure DaimlerChrysler and AutoZone (who do, or more likely did, business with SCO) talked to SCO<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... right before SCO sued them. I wouldn't count on the fact that you work with SCO's products preventing you from being sued by them.

To the author of the article about which this comment has been written, very nice focus on technical detail. Talking about SCO often turns into a political/religious debate, but I think you did a nice job just focusing on the technical merits of and problems with UnixWare 7.1.4.

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Anything else to review?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 05:33 AM
In case you couldn't tell, the "new capabilities" you mention (CUPS, GIMP, Samba, PostgreSQL, MySQL, OpenLDAP, OpenSSH, OpenSSL, and on it goes) are invented, distributed and supported - for free - by open source groups.

Apparently SCO isn't ashamed of their behavior, but what about you welcoming "their" new capabilities???

Also: including a SCO price list longer than the review itself goes way beyond the purpose of a review.

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Re:Anything else to review?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 09:50 PM
This shows that open source costs jobs. If SCO couldn't use all this free software, they may actually have to employ some developers!

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Re:Anything else to review?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 10:14 PM
Pricing information can be quite useful. It's also good to know when pricing models are varied and complex. This can signficant when put in context.

Do any of the other Unix variants pose similar license management problems? Do any of the other Unixes even have mandatory licencing?

The fact that something can cost you $500 or 80K for the same hardware is quite relevant.

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is this a review or an ad?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 06:48 AM
...for that matter, shouldn't there a global effort to remove all free tech support and mention of SCO and family from the web? I mean really, if they would like to sign up for a support program from the community we can work something out<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

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Open source is good?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 06:59 AM
I thought SCO was telling us all that open source software is bad and un-American? Doesn't it threaten the future of humanity or something?

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Re:Open source is good?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 07:21 AM
and now all open-source programmers/users are idiots !

Fresh from Mr Rob Enderle's mouth at the SCO Forum
http://www.sco.com/2004forum/agenda/Enderle_keyno<nobr>t<wbr></nobr> e_SCO-Forum2004.html

So does this mean that anyone buying Unixware with all this open-source software is an idiot? SCO calling their current/future customers IDIOTS?

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SCO and apache/squid/...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 07:11 AM
Interesting that the first product features are licensed according to terms that SCO claims to be unconstitutional.

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Hilarious

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 07:25 AM
Wonderfully ironic article. Well done.

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Ouch!

Posted by: Leon Brooks on August 11, 2004 08:24 AM
The "processor upgrade" costs more than a processor, the "memory upgrade" (which presumably changes one magic number somewhere in the bowels of the system) is comparable with the price of top-of-the-line registered memory, and then you need another USD$500 before you can mirror a disk?

AFAICT, the only functional differences between Mandrake 10.0 Download Edition and UnixWare on a RAIDed quad-CPU application server is about ten grand US, a C2 certification and a greater risk of being sued. To add insult to injury, the free Mandrake system comes with far more tools and toys.

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Just Plain Bastards

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 11:57 AM
<A HREF="http://www.caldera.com/" title="caldera.com">Litigious Bastards</a caldera.com>

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Buy Now Bonus: License To Use Linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 12:16 PM
Get Added Value


Buy now and <A HREF="http://shop.sco.com/caldera/summary.jsp?collection=Scosource" title="sco.com">receive a $49 discount</a sco.com> on any free open source operating system. Good for a <A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=" title="yahoo.com">limited time only</a yahoo.com>(as long a SCO remains in business)

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Yeehaw!

Posted by: OwlWhacker on August 11, 2004 03:51 PM
SCO is just trying to get away from its failing business by taking a ride on the back of Linux/Open Source.

Watch out SCO, Tux is about to buck you off.

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Value for Money?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 11, 2004 04:19 PM
So I can spend around 10k to buy something that is technically inferior to virtually all other comparable products, while running the risk of being sued in future by the vendor and of possibly being left with no support or patches once the supplier goes belly up? Hey, great! Where do I sign?

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To me it takes nerve...

Posted by: Rocky on August 12, 2004 06:35 AM
To me it takes a lot of nerve for SCO to include Open Source products such as Apache and Squid in their product when they are doing everything possible to destroy Open Source elsewhere. This only demonstrates how two-faced they really are....

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He-he, don't warry, be happy

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on August 12, 2004 11:47 AM
People, why your crying? If you don't like SCO, don't use it! I'd like Linux, FreeBSD and i use it with pleasure. I need SCO - i use unlegal copy, becose i don't like SCO politic. Let's use free products and SCO die.

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