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Long live Pepsi! Along with the occasional Orange Carrot Sobe, or Stewarts Orange Cream soda.

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Why? Because Pepsi has to be really cold otherwise it tastes like an ashtray. It's awesome if it's cold, but gross when it's warm.

Coke is as good as Pepsi cold, but it's drinkable warm. Thats the difference that makes me choose Coke over Pepsi. I hate buying Pepsi and if I don't suck it all down in one shot, or it's not in ice, then I only drink part of it and toss the rest.

It's all a mater of taste too. But after pointing that out to people, I usually get agreements when they test what I've said.

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"Bruce Perens: Omegang. Check out their Web page."



Is really spelled: <A HREF="http://www.ommegang.com/index.php" title="ommegang.com">Ommegang</a ommegang.com>



For shame, Bruce.

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I drink Molson Canadian.

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you have to drink Molson. IMO, Molson is nearly as bad as Bud or Coors, just nasty N.American Pilsner. Have you ever had Waterloo Dark? Or Keenen's (sp?), or Rickard's? All three of these you can find on tap, especially in Ontario-Toronto area, and all three are like gold compared to iron in taste when it comes to beer.

I also like Guiness, but you can only eat a few before you feel like you just ate something big, like Thanksgiving dinner or a bowl of really heavy chili.

But of all the beers I have ever tried, I like Pivovar Staropramen Pilsner the best. It's a Czech beer, light, and so easy to drink and tastes as good as any beer I have ever had. The best part is most styles of cooking involve lots of oil. As a result, I have lots of heartburn to deal with. But when I drink Staropramen (certain LCBO's carry it), my heartburn is much much less. It's the only beer I have found that does that, but I love it because it does!

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No, I guess I don't have to drink Molson. But I like it. I like their branding, I like their ideas, I like their advertisements.

Stupid reason to use something, right? Right. Most of the time. Except, when it comes to beer, I think all beer tastes bad - and now I've acquired a taste for Molson.

I live in BC, so i don't know how prevalent Waterloo Dark, Keenen's, or Richard's are but I'll watch for them next time I'm at the liquer store.

I still prefer good old BC special green to beer anyday.

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Molson is eh? ok I guess. Seems watered down to me. You should try a good Samuel Adams. Always a fine choice. Don't worry, you will be just as yellow after you drink it as before, in spite of it being named after a fine American patriot. Unfortunately you can't drink being left away (though drinking can give you new found courage). More education does that along with a press that doesn't lie to you whenever they can.

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Pivovar Staropramen Pilsner

Absolutely. Staropramen 12 is a superb beer. SP 10 and SP Dark are great, but SP 10 is the greatest.

Too bad I could never figure out what 10 and 12 really ment...

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Staropramen is prety decent beer. I personaly prefer Krusovicky Lezak, or Kozel, or Pilsener Urquel, bu it has to be on tap, the stuff in the small green bottles is catpiss.

believe that the 10 and 12 refers to the Plato or Balling degrees, which measure the contents of sugars in the original wort. It should be labeled as degrees, not percents, even though lately they often mislabel it as %.

The sugar is what turns into alcohol, so in general higher degree = more alcohol. But the amount of alcohol also depends on other things (yeast, fermentation process etc) so there is no formula you could use the get the exact amount of alcohol from the degrees. In general 8 degree beer is very light, with very little alcohol content. 10 degree has more alcohol and more "body", 12 even more, you can even find 14 degrees, even though it's not very common. Also, the more degrees, the more expensive the beer usually is (I guess it needs more malt to produce, and also ferments longer).

If I only new how to get Staropramen around here... (that is, Michigan)

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His reply was so serious, so earnest, it almost reads like an RMS parody piece. It *was* genuine, wasn't it?

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I agree. Undiluted good ol' RMS. Never lets his guard down.

We need more people like him.

I like a good Rioja wine myself, but I wouldn't turn down a Guiness either.

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I thought exactly the same thing. I was wondering what he'd have to say, how many words past the average he'd go, and what the point would be.

I didn't expect anything about the 70s hacker culture, but how could that be left out?

You can certainly see he needs to have free speech, because he certainly won't like free beer..

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So - Stallman doesn't like beer because it tastes bitter. Big deal? Also I've tried to learn to like the taste of beer but couldn't although I find some (soft) beers rather ok occasionally.

What RMS wrote about the AI lab hacker culture and history related to alcohol was also interesting in this context. Besides, Stallman isn't always a dead serious guy at all, see for example: http://www.stallman.org/saint.html .

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What RMS wrote about the AI lab hacker culture and history related to alcohol was also interesting in this context.

It wasn't in this context. It was entirely pointless.

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Ok, so Stallman may be a bit odd in his opinions sometimes, but so are many other geeks like Eric S. Raymond (just what typical hacker geeks are often like, right?). But I think that Stallman's comment on alcohol, beer and hacker culture was exactly in context here unlike some people's prejudiced and stupid comments here concerning Stallman himself.

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I think maybe some of you misunderstood my original comment. I wasn't being critical of RMS, or his comment, or even the context in which it was used. I think my use of "Ya gotta love Stallman" as the heading backs this up...sure he may seem a bit odd to some, but I'm sure history will show just how important he has been to Free software.

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history will show just how important he has been to Free software

Only for Anglo-Saxons - and to explain that "free" can mean not only "free as in beer" but "free as in freedom".

As far as I know, in other languages this confusion does not exist

Beer is relevant for "open source", *freedom* is that is important for Free Software!

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So I take it he doesn't drink coffee either because of the whole bitter thing?

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I don't know what coffee you drink, but coffee is sweet and warm. Beer is cold and bitter. Big difference.

Disclaimer: I drink both regularly.

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Coffee is strong, black, and hot. Coffee that has been doctored the way you seem to enjoy it is another matter entirely. There are also concoctions out there that refer to themselves as beer that contain sugar, chocolate, fruit, and other abominations.

To the purist such as myself, coffee is ground coffee beans and hot water; beer is hops, malted barley, yeast, and water.

I hope this eases your confusion somewhat.

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Yes: It is your own fault that your coffee is bitter, and what you say doesn't apply to many other people -- most likely including Stallman himself.

Sure, you have every right to make your coffee as bitter as you want it -- but most people drink their coffee with something else in it. Saying that plain coffee is bitter and using that as a "likely" reason to not drink coffee is like saying that you refuse to browse the web because it is so darn difficult to do so with telnet and not using a browser. In other words, moot.

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but most people drink their coffee with something else in it.

I love it when people base sweeping generalizations on their own limited experience. Care to show me any analysis of people's coffee drinking habits that backs your claim?

Yes: It is your own fault that your coffee is bitter, and what you say doesn't apply to many other people

And as I said, there are sweet beers out there, too. However, when your taste buds mature and become a bit more refined, you may actually find there are more joys to be had from more complex flavors than merely sweet.

Myself, I prefer a good single malt Scotch whisky. Your mileage may vary.

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Beer doesn't have to be cold. On a cold snowy night like tonight, warm beer can be a great thing!

...they asked me if I want cold beer or warm beer. I ordered cold beer, but it was warm. The warm beer was boiling on the stove!

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Why do I, "Gotta love Stallman?" His answer was the single one which had to contain an insult ("foolish"). In some ways I admire him, and his achievements are certainly remarkable. But please Deity, don't ever trap me in an elevator with the man.

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Hmmm... perhaps because for many members of the online community, it's either that or pull the stick out of his ass and bludgeon him to death with it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

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You can't program well after drinking alcohol; RSM's comment is right to that extent. You can't play chess well, either. So real programmers are powered by coffee, not beer.
Of course, even programmers can't program all the time. And medical studies have shown that moderate intake of alcohol increases life expectancy, i.e. it's good for you, as long as you don't overdo it. Personally, I much prefer wine to beer.

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Coffee? All that coffeine and other strange stuff in coffee makes my stomach and head explode... No coffee for me, except maybe early in the morning to wake me up. Isn't coffee a bit like giving electric shocks to your body...?

There's a reason why coders are known for their addiction to cola, sports and other such refreshment drinks. Besides, what's wrong with tea if you want ot drink something warm? Suits well when you programming too - unlike alcohol.

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I have to agree, I never drink beer to program, but I require coffee or some other high in caffeine beverage to code. I've been drinking more and more thai lattes lately though.

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Sometimes you don't need to program well, you just need to bang out some code to test whether a theory can fly, and it's sometimes hard to do that if it looks like a particularly dull bit of code to write. A bit of booze makes me less likely to care how dull it is. If the theory works out, you can always write it again, sober, knowing that it'll work out. You'll probably also write better code for knowing roughly what the problem space is.

Personally, I think some of the worst code is that written during long, caffeine-fuelled sessions. At least with booze you have awareness of how impaired your abilities are (well, as long as you're not the sort of person who would drink and drive, anyway).

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I agree - a sociologist would probably bring it back to the "programming is art / programming is science" duality. Science is best done sober; if a bit of alcohol inspires great art, then fair enough.

Some code I write, I have to be totally sober and mentally prepared before I tackle it (though that tends to indicate that the problem-space hasn't been clearly defined, and is overly complicated. Maybe tossing ideas around over a few beers would help to define the problem-space more clearly!).

Dull, boring code, can be written just as well over a few beers, and may seem less boring.

Some code - the "how am I going to approach this" category, in particular, a few beers keep some proof-of-concept code focussed and simple, to be tidied up later.

Or maybe that's all just excuses<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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While I'm quite happy to write code after a few beers, I try to avoid replying to users' emails.
Bad code is easily fixed; bad advice (particulary via email, public fora, etc) cannot be revoked so easily.

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http://www.missblackwidow.com/drugs.html

When i drink much caffeine i fell just like that spider. My code is bad then, less innovative, more routine and i write it much slower.

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http://www.missblackwidow.com/drugs.html

Heh, yeah, that's an educating page about the bad effects of caffeine...

Summa summarum: especially if you're a web developer, avoid coffee<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Yep, I'll stick to my mary-jane, which you'll note scored much better than caffeine.

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> Leffe Blonde Abbey (Netherlands)

For the record: Leffe is a Belgian beer! The Netherlands have nothing to do with it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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And the Brune is far superior.

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Eeehhh... like... we (.nl) wouldn't really want to take credit for that one, capice?

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I have a cooler full of ice-cold San Miguel Beer. Come and get it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P

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Say Mabuhay with Tanduay!

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The hamlet of Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin is the home of Lienenkugel. Their red beer is quite tasty.

Their bock beer has one of the best names, based on its label showing two rams knocking horns. That name? Big Butt Beer.

MaryTee

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Not bad, but I wish they didn't switch to screw top bottles couple years ago.

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It's Leinenkugel. Owned by Miller.

And the Big Butt is a dopplebock. They do a regular bock as well.

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As Romanian I prefer tuica and Romanian beer. There are many choices with long traditions.
But probably better will be the Romanian wine, from Dracula's castle

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I have been to Romania a couple times and love tuica as well. Do you know where I can get it in the United States? I live in the midwest U.S. Thanks.

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unlike Leffe, Grolsch is dutch and it's my favourite beer.

My nr one beverage is coffee.

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Newcastle Brown.

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yes, outstanding ale but in Moscow do not sell original bottles on 0.7l, they interfere and release into the bottling!

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I second that!

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I am a big fan of Belgian Ales over here. In particular I like Delerium Nocturnum and Delerium Noel. Regard Dunkels, I usually perfer them from local brew pubs or that of Warsteiner.

Jason
Pennsylvania, USA

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Belgian beer just rules in general

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Not a beer drinker. But I live on good imported tea!
uptontea.com rul3z!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:^) Their TD75 and ZK16 are two wonderful teas (of the hundreds available). No, I'm not affiliated, just a happy customer.

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If not, Guinness or Bass will do<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o)
When I lived in Minneapolis, I enjoyed Summit Pale Ale.

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Beer would be Belgian brown Leffe, Russian Baltika 4 & 6 and Danish Brøckhouse beers.
Still, I do like coffee - and a glass of Ardbeg, Bowmore or Laphroaig (Islay Scotch) to go with it.

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> and a glass of Ardbeg, Bowmore or Laphroaig (Islay Scotch)


    You can add Lagavulin to that list.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) Man, you have such good taste in scotch that I gotta try those beers you like!


    Life is too short to drink cheap scotch.

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Well, I'm a smoking/smoky Scotch kinda guy... forgot to mention Belgian Westmalle, too. That's one of the greatest beers of all time.

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entire Russian beer is anecdote, in contrast to the vodka!

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When I worked in Piter, I have had my share of Kristalls - I like Baltika anyway. I love Starka, though.

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Is that stuff really beer anyway? Nothing that comes from the British isles tastes like beer to me, more like horse piss.

Germany and Belgium are the real beer countries! (and the Netherlands the king of pilsener, with Heineken and Grolsch)

Everyone, it's Dobbel palm season, go buy it, and you'll forget instantly about guiness.

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the Netherlands the king of pilsener, with Heineken and Grolsch

As a Belgian, I have to object. We have a term for Heineken over here, "kattepis". You don't need much imagination to get what we're talking about here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

Try some Belgian pilsener beers like Jupiler, or Stella Artois. You'll see the reasons.

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LOL


  I think that's a bit harsh, though. Of the big pilseners (heineken, budweiser, warsteiner) I definitely prefer Heineken.

But yes, Stella and Jupiler are great, not sure if I prefer them over grolsch though.

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If you mean American "budweiser", then I agree, Heiniken is better, but then, what isn't?

Heiniken is drinkable, but that's just about it.

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I agree. I can't see what people see in Guinness (at least the stuff I've had in England). I prefer a real ale; they're often brewed by small, craft breweries are are bursting with flavour. I don't really pay attention to the brands outside of a single session (I'll be unlikely to find it again, anyway), and rarely drink the same brand twice. I enjoy the variety of trying new beers.

Of the larger, more mass-produced beers, I prefer Wadworth's 6X and Farmer's Glory, Fuller's London Pride, Smile's Best and Heritage, Greene King's Abbott Ale, Sharp's Doombar Bitter, and Shepherd Neame's Bishops Finger and Spitfire. From time to time, I'll enjoy a glass or two of red wine with food or cider or scrumpy with pork or pasta.

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The Netherlands the king of pilsener???? Where do you think Pilsen is?

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The king of the real pilsener beer is <A HREF="http://www.pilsner-urquell.com/" title="pilsner-urquell.com"> here:))</a pilsner-urquell.com>.

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British beer is mostly ale and top fermented. This means that while fermenting a frothy layer of active yeast covers the top. Many years ago 2 german brothers fresh out of school took a trip around england visiting brewerys ( with empty bottles up their sleeves ). They would sneak samples from the open vats then common. At that point in time german beer was poor and english beer was the good stuff. When they returned home they used their purloined yeast to jump start the german beer industry. If it weren't for good english beer there wouldn't be any good german beer.

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sorry guys, but it just does.
It's sold in 0.33 litre bottles and is soooo soft.
OUR beer has at least 4,5% vol. alcohol.

BTW. we have just had a Linux install party, and of course beer was crucial since gentoo compiles long.

Oh, and Linux doesn't suck, cuz it's European. Shame Linus T. is in USA (i think) now. Finnland is so great... not that i'm from Finnland, too cold.
Yo bros!

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OUR beer has at least 4,5% vol. alcohol.

have you ever considered trying pure alcohol intravenously? maybe that would be even better?

Pro memoria: "Linux" might be European, but GNU is American and GNU is what made "Linux" relevant.

signed: another European

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And if you were Canadian, it would be that any beer less then 6% is for pregnant women and little children.

Alexander Keiths is acceptable, but I still prefer scotch (Lagavulen and Glenlivet currently).

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What I think you are refering to, are the large national breweries, i.e. Coors, Budweiser, Miller, etc... Remember, the U.S.A is a big place. These large breweries are targeting the lowest common denominator of drinker. Therefore they often end up tasting like soda water with alcohol.

The local brews of Oregon, Colorado, California and Hawaii are outstanding. They have a depth of character and taste quite unlike the big breweries. Try a Rogue Ale, Fat tire, Henry Winehardt's or Gordon Biersch. There is a wide selection of lagers, pilseners, ales, stouts and porters in the U.S.A. Something for everyones taste.

As for Alcohol content, your just being silly. Even Budweiser has 5%.

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My absolute favourite is Einbecker Urbock dark, a german Bockbeer (6.5%). Other than that, Moskovkaya Cristal or a good french red vine.

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try kauffman, i think this is the best of russian vodka!

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My favourite drink is XXX Old Monk Rum. it has more than 50 % of alchol. So you can not drink more than 4 pegs. Ohh you will only get in India. Belive me it is much better than Bacardi

Anirban

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Ah, nothing like a good rum and coke. I prefer Gosling Black Seal myself.

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It's a Belgian Trappist beer and it's the best beer I've ever tasted. Sadly it's also pretty rare<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(

Like Chris Casey and others in the survey, I like a lot of different beers. In general, Belgium makes a lot of great beers. In the last few years, several small breweries have started here in Denmark and they make some pretty good beer too.

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I sure like my glass of beer -- faro or gueuze with lunch, a pilsner or something English before dinner. And then something more authoritative of an evening when I'm not coding. And of course, a half bot. of something white or red with dinner. A glass of cognac or marc or calvados late at night. And gallons of the very best tea I can buy (and even the best Darjeeling is cheap for the amount of drink you can get from it) when coding. And green mint lemonade for those afternoon coding sessions. And tea and juice at breakfast. And coffee at breakfast, lunch and after dinner, too.

The only think I won't drink is milk... And one needs to exercise moderation. Not beer _and_ wine _and_ madeira _and_ cognac the same day.

Boudewijn

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I drink about 2 pints of milk a day - more if I can. I love the stuff!


OTOH, I've got young children - bottled baby-milk (and presumably human milk) I find disgusting!

Life without cow's milk would be awful, though.

Milk is full of calcium, good for those bones we don't use while we sit around coding!

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My all-time favorite is Belhaven Scottish Ale, <A HREF="http://www.belhaven.co.uk/index01.html" title="belhaven.co.uk">http://www.belhaven.co.uk/index01.html</a belhaven.co.uk>, available in the US at least here in NYC.

Newcastle Brown Ale would be my second choice, providing it's been kept away from the sun. Many times it's not!

But, only in the evening after work! Coffee first thing in the morning!

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I have had some beer from the Traquair in Scotland. The Jacobite's and House Ale, until now, is Europe's finest IMO.

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Traquair is lovely, but keep it in moderation<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

Strong stuff.

I think that Traquair is the closest us Brits have got back to the Mead tradition which made us famous for "warm ale" in the first place (did you ever read Asterisk/Obelisk cartoons?).

It seems that Monks are the best at coming up with great, firm, but very strong beers. The Belgian monks are particularly good at this!

I need to moderate this with some lower-strength beers, though - enjoy the drinking, as well as the drink.

No point having 3 Traquair's and passing out - I'd rather have one amonst some weaker beers and enjoy the whole experience.

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Could this whole forum provide some ammo for the anti-F/OSS campaign? We're all sitting here discussing our favourite tipples, while the closed-source coders stay silent.... I know that I'm not keeping the side up, but let's keep a bit of decorum here, in case somebody assumes that "these guys who *post* on newsforge.com represent those who *write Linux*" (as F/OSS and "Linux" seem to be interchangeable to those types).

The fact that GNU and Linux are seperate seems difficult for most<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. types, let alone that they are both seperate from Free Software and "Open Source" software in general.

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We like the powerful beer types here in Denmark. This is Viking country, you know...

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What a good article. I'm surprised so many people like Guinness (cough) beer. I have tried the brew many times and it's not good; I'll just say it, the brew is plain bad!

Local brews are my favorite here in Humboldt (California) Eel River Brewing makes a fine organic IPA:
http://www.climaxbeer.com/

Steelhead Extra Pale Ale is also a fine beer. Brewed in Blue Lake, California:
http://www.madriverbrewing.com/

A little south of here is the Mendicino brewing company who make a very fine brew called Eye Of The Hawk:
http://www.mendobrew.com/brews/main_brews.html

The best stout brew comes from a tiny town south of here (Fort Bragg) called OLD RASPUTIN. The beer is absolutely delisious--almost requires a fork and knife to serve<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
http://northcoastbrewing.com/ras.htm

We're lucky to live so close to these extraordinary breweries!

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a glass of 7UP on ice with just a light splash of Kentucky burbon whiskey

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Newcastle Brown Ale. Guinness is a close 2nd

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it is a little strange to place in one row NEWCASTLE BROWN and Guinness

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I prefer a Belhaven Scottish Ale or a Newcastle, but do drink a Guiness onece in a while. I like many different types of Ales, Porters, Bochs, and even an occasional GOOD Lager. Beer like FOSS, is about choices. Quality, NOT Quantity, and freedom of choice.

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Drinking Newky Brown will guarantee you won't live long there's that many impurities in it. You're much safer with the Guiness

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Personally, I didn't drink coffee for a long time, and I drank green tea - then I sometimes drank Yerba Mate, but then I discovered this Bell's Java Stout - which is a dark stout with coffee and chocolate in it and I liked that very much, so I started drinking coffee. I like particularly the Sumatra Blue Batak, from the "Mysterious Lake Toba". But then, I don't like coffee because it gets to a point where you are just a vegetable without it.

As far as working, programming, or the like, beer is a no-no, for me, anyway - it just doesn't work. But green tea is awesome. I never drink coffee for very long, and Yerba Mate is just a little too much sometimes - rockets you into outer space with something like 1000mg of caffeine - if you drink it in the gourd like is done traditionally, plus it comes out to at least $5 or more per day that way.

Good quality green or oolong tea rocks, and it's way less expensive than coffee or beer. And then, some of the really high-quality Darjeerlings, which are more oolong-like - those are just totally out of sight (but more expensive, though). Green tea gives you a very refreshed, zen-like quality, and I find that it makes studying or programming or any mental activity proceed in the best way. Coffee is good every now and then, but using coffee for longer than a week or two tends to make me, at least, too dependent on it and I can't get anything done without it. I don't like that.

Beer is good when you are taking a break, and Bell's Java Stout, which, unfortunately, only comes out seasonally, is awesome, because it doesn't put you to sleep. Very good indeed. Other than that, I have found really good prices on 12-packs of St. Pauli Girl and Beck's, depending on where you look. Those are also nice from time to time, while watching a DVD or something. Plus they won't break your bank account.

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I'm also from Michigan, and while Bell's is definitely a fine choice, I usually tote the laptop down to the pub (Arbor Brewing in Ann Arbor) and have the house made beers while tapping out something. (Now if I could only get the owners to install wireless<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)

At home it depends on my mood/time of day. Usually wine in the evening, with tea just before bed. Coffee is the big thing in the morning and at work even though the stuff at the office is swill (but it's free).

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That's strange. I'm usually at Grizzly Peak which is straight across from ABC and I can usually get into either Careersite's open wireless or into one of the open wireless home lans set up in the above shop apartments on liberty.

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It's cheap, good enough for my palate, and there's always plenty of it left in the fridge.

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Hi!

In My opinion the best beers are:

Pilsner Urquell <A HREF="http://www.pilsner-urquell.com/" title="pilsner-urquell.com">http://www.pilsner-urquell.com/</a pilsner-urquell.com>

Żywiec <A HREF="http://www.zywiec.com.pl/" title="zywiec.com.pl">http://www.zywiec.com.pl/</a zywiec.com.pl> [sorry: Polish only<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:( ]

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Not true - I drink Zywiec here in the UK - my wife spent 3 years in Poland, and I have an excellent local supplier. I also enjoy EB here, FWIW<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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Linus Torvalds, Creator of Linux - Guinness. Enough said.

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What, exactly, is Roblimo's favorite hard liquor?

Is he a Tequila-kind-of-guy?

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