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My quest for a Linux audio player

By Peter Enseleit on April 04, 2006 (8:00:00 AM)

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Nowadays I collect, store, and listen to music mostly on digital media, so I thought I'd find myself a Linux audio player that does all the things I need it to do. Little did I know how many options I had! After evaluating more than a dozen applications, I've found three that I feel provide the best mix of features and performance.

Before evaluating the Linux audio players, I considered what I wanted from them. I listen to MP3 and Ogg Vorbis music files, CDs, MP3 streaming Internet radio stations, and podcasts. Someday I may also want access to FLAC music files, RealMedia and Windows Media streaming radio, iPod compatibility, and Windows audio file formats (WAV, WMA, and ASF).

My test system is a Toshiba Tecra 9000 laptop with an Intel 82801CA-ICH3 sound card. I use Ubuntu Dapper Drake 6.04, GNOME, and the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA). Dapper Drake is still a beta release of Ubuntu, which may have led to some of the instability I witnessed. I confined myself to looking at the audio players I could find included within the Ubuntu APT software repositories.

Several of the players model themselves after popular music players on other platforms. I tested three that take their cue from WinAmp and five that resemble iTunes, along with several players with more original interfaces.

WinAmp-style players

The applications in the first group of players have a small, usually skinnable user interface with three windows available: one main window with audio controls, one Graphical Equalizer window, and one Playlist window where you can manage your list of music. Music management is usually limited to a single playlist at a time.

XMMS refused to play WMA and ASF files; the application froze when it reached these files in the playlist. In fact, the ASF file froze my whole GNOME session. XMMS would play my streaming MP3 radio station, but not streaming RealAudio or Windows Media radio stations. It has only a single playlist to manage your music, which seems old-fashioned compared to some of the newer audio players around now.

Beep Media Player's source code was forked from XMMS, and indeed it looks and feels just like XMMS, but with an updated Gtk interface. It would not play my .flac, ASF, or WMA files, and would not play my CD. The only radio station it played was streaming MP3. Music management is limited to a single playlist at a time.

I added my list of files to the Zinf audio player's playlist and started to play them. As soon as it encountered a WMA file Zinf crashed. In fact, it seems that any unsupported files it encounters causes a crash. My mono MP3 and my MP3 podcast came out scrambled, as did my sample WAV file. Zinf also crashed when I tried to play a CD or change the skin. It played my streaming MP3 radio station but not the Windows Media or RealAudio stations. The only file format it liked was Ogg Vorbis.

iTunes-style players

The next group of players follow iTunes' style, and usually have fairly extensive media management facilities. Some are capable of burning files to CD, sharing music over a network, downloading song lyrics, and displaying album art.

Rhythmbox has good music management features, modeled on those of iTunes. It keeps a library of all your music files, and offers the ability to add and edit playlists, Internet radio stations, and podcast feeds. After installing all of the GStreamer plugins I could find, it played all of my files and my CD without a problem. However, it would only play only my streaming MP3 radio station and not the Windows Media or RealAudio stations. Rhythmbox supports iPod playback only, and it recognized the iPod attached to my computer as soon as it fired up. It supposedly supports sharing files over a network, but while iTunes on my Windows box at work did list my Rhythmbox share, it was unable to list its contents. Rhythmbox also claims to have the ability to write tracks to CD, but I couldn't test this because my laptop doesn't have a CD burner.

Muine did not recognize my WMA, ASF, or FLAC files, and I could not play music from CD or any of my radio stations. It only has a single playlist for music management.

Quod Libet did not recognize my WMA, ASF, FLAC, or WAV files, and could not play Windows Media or RealAudio radio stations, or my CD. However, I was impressed with Quod Libet's extensive music management facilities. It lets you subscribe to podcast feeds, manage Internet radio stations, and manage playlists, and provides an iTunes-style paned browser and search facilities.

Banshee would not play my WMA, ASF, or WAV files, and I could not play any of my Internet radio stations. On the plus side, it supports writing tracks to CD and sharing files over a network. I was able to see my Banshee shared files and play them with iTunes. It also supports iPod playback and synchronization.

amaroK can be displayed with a WinAmp or iTunes-style interface. It would not play my WAV, FLAC, ASF, WMA, my mono MP3, or my downloaded podcast MP3s, and it would not play my audio CD. While moving through my playlist with these file formats included, it froze. It supports iPod playback and update and detected my connected iPod upon startup. While amaroK is feature-rich, I found it to be buggy and not reliable enough for my everyday use. That's too bad, because if it were less prone to freeze and crash, amaroK would have been in my top three, thanks to its extensive music management capabilities and other features, such as downloading album art and lyrics, and its attractive and themeable user interface.

Others

Juk would not load my WMA or ASF files or my CD and it does not support radio stations or scheduling podcast feeds. I could not get it to play my MP3 files even though the files were loaded into the playlist. It did play my other files without a problem.

You can start Somaplayer from the command line or with a Gtk user interface. It played only my Ogg Vorbis file successfully; other files either did not work at all or gave garbled hissing sounds. The application froze after I cycled through my playlist of different format music files and then clicked the stop button. It could not play any of my radio stations.

MPD is a music playing daemon that you can connect to using an MPD client such as Glurp either on the same machine or remotely over a network. It did not recognize my WMA or ASF files and it could not play my CD or my radio stations. The Glurp interface is rudimentary but functional, but other interfaces are available. Playlist management is limited. It lists files only in the folders you configure.

RealPlayer would not play my FLAC, WMA, or ASF files. Music management is non-existent except for a favorites list. It could not play my CD, and it played my streaming MP3 radio station but not my Windows Media or RealAudio radio stations.

Helix Player would not play my MP3, WMA, ASF, or FLAC files, and I could not play any of my radio stations or my CD. Playback was jumpy on my Ogg Vorbis file. As with RealPlayer, music management is non-existent except for a favorites list.

GXine would not play my WMA, ASF, or MP3 files, and it played my Windows Media radio station but not my RealAudio or streaming MP3 stations. It only has a single playlist for music management. GXine seems designed more with video playback in mind than audio playback.

MPlayer played all of my sample files and radio stations, although I had to resort to the command line to play my CD. This was the only application I looked at that played everything I threw at it, but it has limited music management facilities.

VLC did not play my RealAudio radio station, but it played all my other files and radio stations. As with MPlayer, though, it has only a single playlist and little in the way of music management facilities.

Conclusion

More choices

I didn't test every available Linux music player. You might want to consider one of these additional candidates:

Lamip
Media Center
Audacious
SnackAmp
wxMusik
Songbird
XMMS2
BMPx

After testing 16 applications, I was finally finished. I was pleasantly surprised that all of the audio formats I chose could be played on Linux, although only a single application could play them all -- MPlayer. VLC came close, but did not play my RealAudio radio station. Rhythmbox also came close, but would not play the Windows Media or RealAudio radio stations even with the GStreamer plugin for Windows Media installed.

I found most of the available audio players for Linux to be quite usable, even though many were lacking in music management features and some had limited file format support. MP3 and Ogg Vorbis were by far the most widely supported formats on Linux. Most of the players could receive my MP3 streaming radio station, but strangely, only one, XMMS, would play the stream over dial-up without getting a message that I needed to log in before I could listen to the station. I found it odd that RealPlayer and Helix Player could not receive my RealAudio radio station, since this is their native format.

All of the players I looked at crashed or froze at least once with my list of CD audio files, music files, and radio streams.

After trying out all those applications, three players impressed me the most: Rhythmbox, Quod Libet, and XMMS.

Rhythmbox is a functional, reliable audio player, and its no-nonsense (some might say boring) interface offers a good selection of music management features. Its GStreamer back end allows you to add support for many different file formats through plugins; you should explore these if you want to get the most out of what Rhythmbox has to offer. It is a solid performer with all the features I could wish for, but I'd like to see Rhythmbox spice up its interface, perhaps offering different skins or brighter icon sets for users to choose from.

Quod Libet was a bit of a surprise for me. It improved drastically from Ubuntu 5.04 to Ubuntu 6.04. It has features that rival those of Rhythmbox, including management of playlists, Internet radio stations, and podcast (audio) feeds, and a central library of music files. It also includes a plugin that allows you to burn files to CD, and others which download lyrics and album art from the Web. One drawback is its lack of support for playing directly from CDs. But if you need to play only MP3 and Ogg Vorbis music files, Quod Libet may be a good option for you.

XMMS is a solid and reliable player and has plenty of plugin support for different file formats, audio effects, visualizations, and even a music management interface similar to Rhythmbox called MadMan. Even though it froze on me during my testing, this is, in my experience, an exception rather than the rule. For supported formats, XMMS is a rock-solid player. Although it lacks some of the music management features of newer audio players, it stacks up well against them in performance and versatility.

While MPlayer was excellent in its support for different filetypes, its music management capabilities are limited. I want an audio player that can manage my music as well as play it, so MPlayer did not make the cut for me, but I will use it as my fallback when I need to listen to a file or radio station that my top three players don't support.

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A couple of minor mistakes w.r.t. XMMS

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 06:05 PM
XMMS supports wav files as standard and yet the second page's feature summary table claims it doesn't (I've just tried XMMS with a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.wav file and it played it fine).


Also, the first page says "XMMS refused to play WMA and ASF files" - it should be noted that one of the strongest features of XMMS not even alluded to in the article is the existence of many, many plugins to handle additional formats and extra features in the player.


Sure enough, there's an "<a href="http://mcmcc.bat.ru/xmms-wma/" title="mcmcc.bat.ru">xmms-wma</a mcmcc.bat.ru>" plugin available that works fine (note that the feature table does indeed say "Yes" in the WMA column despite the article claiming it doesn't play WMA's). And a quick Google finds a <a href="http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/AVI-Player-for-XMMS-Download-378.html" title="softpedia.com">AVI player for XMMS</a softpedia.com> which also handles ASF files. This is why I use XMMS - it's the best GUI audio player w.r.t. handling different formats.

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xmms

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 06:53 PM
If you read through the whole article, the
author points out the ability to add functionality
to xmms via plug-ins.

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Re:xmms

Posted by: Administrator on April 04, 2006 11:20 PM
But then he shouldn't had "diss it" as a player that doesn't reproduce those formats correcly just because XMMS is modular in nature and it needs a corresponding plugin to play some format, compared to monolithic players without plugin possibility.

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Re:A couple of minor mistakes w.r.t. XMMS

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 02:20 AM
wav is a container format, i.e. "can play wavs" is a rather useless piece of information if we are not also informed about codec used. xmms will indeed happily play wavs that contain (uncompressed) PCM format data without any external plugins. OTOH if the wavs use some strange (windows-only) codec xmms won't be able to play it.

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Amarok

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 06:05 PM
Amarok can use different type of backends. Just like Rhytmbox uses GStreamer so can Amarok. I have Amarok set up with Xine backend and is able to play: wma, flac and all sorts of different files without problem.

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amaroK can play everything

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 06:12 PM
It can play all those file formats you claim it can't. Chances are your distro set it up with one of the engines that can't. If you'd used the xine engine or Gst engine it would have played everything.

Frankly your review was generally shit.

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Re:amaroK can play everything

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 06:16 PM
I agree, I use amarok all the time with a 100Gb music library. It plays everything I throw at it using the xine backend with the win32 codecs available. Had some crash issues earlier, but verion 1.3.x has been rock solid!

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Re:amaroK can play everything

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 01:02 PM
Agreed here as well, and I use the Xine backend.

I suppose it's only fair to point out that the "average user" that Ubuntu (actually, GNOME, but Ubuntu is very GNOME-friendly) aims at probably couldn't stop picking their noses long enough to find out how to play MP3s in AmaroK, which makes it "bad" or "unusable" or "why Linux isn't ready for the desktop"...or something.

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Re:amaroK can play everything

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 24, 2006 09:33 PM
Well, except, that linux.com reviews are not supposed to be done by "average users" but somebody who will find out how to play wma with libxine (and of course, it is possible).

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Quodlibet can ...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 06:48 PM
Quodlibet CAN play flac,wav,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... (just install the appropriate gstreamer module.

Quodlibet CAN parse podcasts (needs feedparser python module)

Quodlibet HAS ipod support (plugin) and much more!

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to the author

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 06:50 PM
people who can't install needed packages should not write reviews of linux software. yet. maybe in 10 years linux will tell you what to do explicitly, but now, dear author, keep reading the manuals.

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Re:to the author

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 01:09 AM
Well, well. Do it youre self then. I'm looking forward to it.

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Review quality poor

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 06:57 PM
I'm sorry but this review is not even close to being helpfull for choosing a musicplayer.
The only thing you've focussed on is what kinds of files can be played or not, and that fact isn't even related to the player itself, more to your (probably badly configured) system.

Most described players are merely a GUI for some outputapplication, so please review the GUI only.

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Re:Review quality poor

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 06:07 PM
Yes. He emphasize on what file of his own can be played or not, when these players have different goals, more or less.

To the look of mpd, the main purpose is to play music on a remote machine from your comp, at what it does, it does it pretty neat and you can make your server act like Apple's AirTunes. And btw, mpd supports multiple playlist...It may be the client you used to access mpd didn't support so.

I don't use every audio player out there, so I don't comment them all, but for example, Real Player, I suppose it's made to play RealAudio files, plain and simple, that other players might have problem with. But this review just make RealPlayer a very poor choice because it only plays RealAudio fine...

They have use for different use... one flat comparison doesn't really make it. At least if you could list up the bigger feature of each application along side their file format playability, it'd gave a little more look to each softwares.

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Poor review

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 07:30 PM
This review is less a summary of the capabilities of Linux audio players, a more a gripe list of the bugs in the (still beta) Dapper Drake release of Ubuntu. For example, I have successfully played WMA files in XMMS, Beep AND Zinf<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...

It's a shame. I was quite looking forward to reading up on the capabilities of each without have to install and try each and every one of them. Guess I'll have to look elsewhere<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...

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Listen is a good Gnome player

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 07:36 PM
Check it out! It's only version 0.4.2 as of yet, but steadily improving.

<a href="http://listengnome.free.fr/" title="listengnome.free.fr">http://listengnome.free.fr/</a listengnome.free.fr>

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Re:Listen is a good Gnome player

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 08:56 AM
Yeah, I love Listen... use it every day

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What a terrible article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 08:11 PM
The author doesn't have the slightest clue about the subject.

This becomes all to apparent when he talks about the capabilities of the different player, obviously without being aware that most of the problems can be easily solved by installing some additional software.

He also doesn't seem to be aware about the fact that for example amarok can't play any files at all, but relies on different backends for its playback. And yes, properly configured, these backends can playback all the media files the author reports as not working.

Seriously, why take the time to write such a diatribe and not invest the five minutes it would take to look up the issue on the ubuntu documentation?

Quite frankly, why something like this gets published is beyond me.

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Don't use beta distros

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 08:24 PM
Amarok can play everything you list, but you used a beta version without the necessary setup. Basically, you're reviewing an unreleased distro, not the actual player. I'd imagine it is not alone in having atypical results because of an incorrect setup.

Your results are incorrect because your methods are wrong.

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article geared to whom?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 09:00 PM
Ok, it's a pretty mediocre writeup. The author could have dug deeper why some applications would not play his designated files (btw why and how did he choose that standard?). But will every new linux user? The average newbie will probably not install 12+ players to find one that fits his needs like the author did. more likely she will try a few and give up when it does not work. to her, arguments like she should dig deeper to make it work. She does not the knowledge how to do that, nor does she care; she just wants the thing to work. Thank you very much.

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Why did she install a beta distro?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 06:28 AM
Why did she install a beta distro?

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What a shock!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 09:28 PM
What a shock that the undocumented proprietary Microsoft formats are not well supported by open source software. Guess what, sorensen video is also poorly supported on Linux, and so are TwinVQ audio files!

If you want good support for proprietary Microsoft formats, then you should run Microsoft windows. Mplayer's packaged dlls are certainly handy, but tend to crash and are generally violations of copyright.

--k8to

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Exactly why everyone should use FREE formats

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 11:00 PM
You said it, brother. This is why I don't bother with either WMA or WMV. For that matter, I don't bother with RealMedia either. If the content is in any of those formats, I just skip it.

There are only two ways to enforce our desire for Free (as in Freedom) file formats:

1.) at the store, with our wallets, and
2.) at the ballot box, come election time.

If we fail to do these, then as a society we deserve the restrictions that the Microsofts of the world try to put upon us. I do not fail here, and I hope that you choose likewise.

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Re:What a shock!

Posted by: Administrator on April 06, 2006 02:14 AM
While I agree with everything else I've never
had a problem with Mplayer or Kaffeine under
KDE on multiple boxes and distros. That
sounds more like a config issue.

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Pathetic "Review"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 09:37 PM
GXine seems designed more with video playback in mind than audio playback.


What a surprise... ever looked at the title of the page the xine entry linked to? "xine - A Free Video Player".

Still, xine makes a wonderful backend... for example for amaroK, which plays all the stuff I throw at it just fine. Through xine.

The rest of the article is as bad. This "review" looks like being written in the lunchbreak, without doing some serious research. Not helpful at all.

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amaroK featres

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 09:51 PM
amaroK plays MY wav, flac and audio CDs. But the later very buggy, I'm using kaffeine for AudioCDs. But amaroK 1.4 will have better AudioCD support (not longer trought the audiocd://Wav kio-slave, it will be able to use xine for that).

Beside the AudioCD Problems (wich will be solved next release) I only have two others: Some MP3s make amaroK crash (mp3s made by tim pritlove: <a href="http://tim.geekheim.de/" title="geekheim.de">http://tim.geekheim.de/</a geekheim.de>) and some others low quality MP3s sound really really bad with amaroK. With BMP or XMMS they don't sound THAT bad.

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Beep Media Player?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 09:54 PM
What version of BMP has been reviewed? It would have made much more sense to test the successors of beep media player: Audacious and BMPx.

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mpd

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 10:36 PM
Just one more in the list of players I saw incorrectly represented... I am aware that this is probably the fault of the packages you used for your distro, but if MPD is compiled correctly, it can play both icecast and shoutcast streams. (mp3) Also, while it may be limited to a single directory for finding music, the playlist management is quite a bit better than described depending on the frontend you use. You might want to give kmp or gmpc a try instead of glurp, since glurp is no longer supported.

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Re:mpd

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 10:37 PM
One more thing... mpd is definitely not single-playlist, although not all of the frontends make that very clear...

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This review is nearly perfect...and here's why:

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 11:00 PM
It is exactly what a new/inexperienced Linux user would do. They would _not_ research the fact that 16 different players utilize various back-ends to actually play the many file types. Hell, I'm a Linux user for the past 6 years and I don't really know or care to know all the different back-ends used for media playback. This article is at least a starting point...and yes, it does contain some mistakes. Anyone in the public arena reviewing this quantity of applications and file types would likely make a few errors. Also, considering newbies, who the hell is going to switch distro's to find the best default setup for playing media files: NO ONE!

Yes, he could have searched the Ubuntu wiki and found some answers, but have you taken a serious look at the Ubuntu wiki...it contains so much info it's rediculous. Newbie have no idea where to start finding help and you have to know exactly what your looking for to find relevant information. And _searching_ for info, is not what newbie Linux user do with aplomb.

If one of you sanctimonious posters who complain about these reviews would ever take the time to write your own article, you would realize the difficulty of the task. Instead you spew some technical jargon and specific recommendations at everyone and accomplish: NOTHING! for the community of Linux users. Write the damn review yourself if your so confident in your capabilities.

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Re:This review is nearly perfect...and here's why:

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 11:24 PM
Uh no sir, this review is a stinking pile of garbage. Near perfect? Considering the large number of flaws, the use of beta software for testing, and not knowing that ubuntu doesn't distribute certain codecs by default due to certain legality issues clearly makes this one useless article. Nothing to see here.

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Re:This review is nearly perfect...and here's why:

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 11:32 PM
The flaw in your logic is this:

New user A installs linux distro Y. He reads this review and decides that although he has media app M, that media app N is more appropriate to him. Now in distro Y Media app M is properly installed and all dependencies are taken care of, and is setup appropriately to do what the review says it can't. After spending lord-knows-how-long installing Media app N and finding that it doesn't work, has different dependencies and behaves differently than how the author describes is left no better of than when he started.

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Review of ubuntu for music playing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 01:09 AM
The problem with your logic is that it justifies the experience of relating a newbie's experience trying to play music on his selected distribution across a variety of players. Thus it evaluates the viability of that distribution for playing music for the new user.

What it does not do is effectively review the music playing applications for a variety of Linux users. This is what the titling and copy purports the article is for, so it is a failure by its own definition.

Moreover it's pretty pointless whining. "I can't play my windows media files!!!" Just listing a couple of missing features from a long list of programs is going to be useless to _all_ readers unless they too care about those couple features over all others. This is why competent nuanced reviews tend to touch on a larger number of features as well as discuss the balance of impression of programs, to be useful to a broad audience.

--k8to

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Re:Review of ubuntu for music playing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 02:32 AM
First off this isn't a case of new user trying media players on good distro, what ever distro this guy is running on isn't setup correctly at all.

Amarok with Xine should run ANYTHING! The only case it wouldn't is with OpenSuSE. Even then all you have to do is download xine-lib from xine's website, and install it, and then it'll run anything.

This reveiw is bogus becuase of the writers pick in distros, becuase he picked WRONG! What the hell is he runnning anyways!

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Exactly ... perfect

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 18, 2007 04:13 AM
I have tried different distributions and have two computers running Dapper 6.06.1 and I agree that programs are still too complicated for most people. I used libxine-extracodecs to get mp3 to work, but I am a *programmer* and I *still* hate the command line. Most people I help want things to just work, not just use programs that are half done. Most don't know what a firewall is or does and they are happy with that.

I want Linux people (that care if people use their software) to realize that people want things to work EASILY(ala NO command line, documentation a 10 year old can understand, etc).

ONE OFFICIAL LINUX FOR ALL!

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stuff

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 11:28 PM
Ubuntu stable with any one of the excelent add-on

  web installers will fix the sound problem.
This article is so slanted it seems to be FUD.

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What fool wrote this article?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 04, 2006 11:42 PM
The quality is terrible!

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MPD can play stream

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 12:26 AM
MPD can indeed play mp3 streams, that's what I use it mostly. I you had read a bit from mpd wiki you'd know that

<a href="http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Hack:Mpc-play" title="wikia.com">http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Hack:Mpc-play</a wikia.com>

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Very Poor Review

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 12:28 AM
This review seems to be nothing more than a comprehensive whine list by an uninformed user apparently oblivious to the existence of google (hint: for example, try searching a string something like "play (format) (player)," where (format) is one you claim cannot be played - you may be surprised).

Alternatively, try a site like www.xmms.org, and note that the great folks there have actually put a link for "plugins" right there on the front page. Take a look, lots of good stuff there.

Imagine that, someone really did think of it already.

Hm, what are the chances that other resources are out there, just waiting to be found by someone with the initiative to actually use a search engine.

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Critical criterium omitted

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 12:32 AM
One key criterium the author forgot to consider is the ability to handle large libraries.
I have tried many of players listed - Banshee, amaroK, and Rhythmbox, for example - but none of them can handle the size of my music library. My 5000+ title library (all legally acquired) isn't that out of the ordinary, but so far the only GUI player I've used that can handle it is XMMS.

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Re:Critical criterium omitted

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 02:12 AM
I manage a 11,000 song library with Quod Libet, and no issues (the paned browser is a bit slow, but the others are fast).

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I second that

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 05:12 AM
> so far the only GUI player I've used that can handle it is XMMS

ditto. I have a collection of nearly 21000 songs (mostly on network mounts), and have spent hours desparately searching for a player that could handle it while providing a stable interface.. last time I checked, XMMS was it. Which is a shame, because XMMS doesn't see alot of development, and the UI is really pretty bad (no offense intended).

Rhythmbox seems to be getting better though..

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Re:Critical criterium omitted

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 05:43 AM
I have no problem at all with a 10,000+ mp3 library using amarok and MySQL. You must have configured amarok to use SQLite. It was amarok's ability to use a real DB that lead me to use it for all my music needs.

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Re:Critical criterium omitted

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 08, 2006 11:40 PM
I found gmusicbrowser to be the best with big music library

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Re:Critical criterium omitted

Posted by: Administrator on April 05, 2006 03:21 PM
some things have been already mentioned, but i'd like to summarize.

1. if you have relatively large collection, try using mysql instead of sqlite for the backend. there even are tutorials for migration sqlite -> mysql. this would speed up some operations.

2. note one thing. amarok is _not_ able to handle huge playlists. it just isn't designed to do that. it handles huge collection fairly well, though<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

to achieve the effect of "all my tracks", take a look at dynamic mode - it will constantly add tracks from your collection to your playlist etc.

i would like for it to support huge playlists (dynamic mode is great, but there are some drawbacks), but that is not critical for usage.

i am using amarok with some 18000 tracks, all on nfs share and with sqlite (i need to migrate to mysql, i just haven;t gotten to it - because i don't see significant enough slodown because of it...).
the biggest problem is big load on nfs server which can impact playback.

as for the article itself - weak. it's not a comparison of audio players, it's a comparison of "how badly each of these players is set up in a beta version of a particular distro". close to useless, i'd say.

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file compatibilty

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 12:41 AM
sounds like what you really reviewed here was a player's compatibility with different formats. I guess that is important to some people but I would assume that the majority of users really just need ogg or mp3 support and look to what features a play has as the most important aspect.

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Wma/Asf?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 12:44 AM
Seeing as there is limited scope for WMA and ASF encoders on linux. Not only that but it's not a free format and Microsoft hasn't released any encoders for linux. Why in gods name would that be a lacking feature?

Not only that but this review was on media players yet there was NO discussion on the media players themselves.

I don't normally read linux.com but this article is so poor I had to comment. I think i'll keep my vists here to a minimum.

What happened to this place?

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Bad Review

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 01:29 AM
This review is pretty worthless. The reason he can't play MP3 files is because of Ubuntu, which (if I recall correctly from my experience) does not ship with backends capable of playing mp3s (or maybe it's just the libraries) due to the mp3 format not being free. This is pretty easy to fix.

My suggestion in the future for such reviews would be to review not just "Linux Audio Players" but "Linux Audio Players On Distribution X," or better yet, "Linux Audio Players on Distribution X with Backends X, Y, and Z."

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By far the worst article I have ever read on Linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 01:51 AM
The flaws of this article are too numerous to list. Suffice it to say that its flaws are so numerous as to render it absolutely useless to any users --or potential users-- of any Linux distribution.

This writer should never be allowed to write more articles for Linux.com. This was a travesty.

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Re:By far the worst article I have ever read on Li

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 06, 2006 08:02 AM
apparently, you're not the frequent in here =P
there's from time to time, there're poor quality articles and poeple whine that author gets $100 for those haha.

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Re:xmms

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 02:03 AM
I agree. Same goes for Amarok. Amarok supports whatever format the gstreamer/xine/arts backend supports.

The main benefit of XMMS is it's ability to handle large playlists. 50K songs on Amarok sucks up 1GB of ram. 50K songs on Xmms sucks up a few MB.

The biggest problem with Xmms is that mpg123 crashes on bad ID3 tags and mad displays bad duration data on some mp3's

<a href="http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125022" title="gentoo.org">http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125022</a gentoo.org>
<a href="http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125142" title="gentoo.org">http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125142</a gentoo.org>

Frank

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Amarok can play anything, and it's rock solid

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 02:14 AM
This guy has no clue what he's talking about. I run amarok 1.4 with Xine-lib engine 1.1.1 on SuSE 10.1 Beta 9, and I've been using it for more then 3 years. I've never had a problem with it, it can play all the format this guy claims it can't. It syncs well with my iPod, and is THE BEST mp3 player EVER. I'm sure more people use amarok, then XMMS, and Banshee combined. Also I'm sure everyone agree with me that this is a bogus article, and should be taking with a gallon of salt.

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Re:Amarok can play anything, and it's rock solid

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 05:50 AM
Agreed, amarok is excellent and handles everything I throw at it (unlike itunes). The only failing that forces me use to itunes (which freezes quite a bit) is that I have not found a method to have amarok (or any linux players) stream audio to my airport express connected to my main stereo.

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Re:Amarok can play anything, and it's rock solid

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 07, 2006 07:28 AM
Wow! You use amarok 1.4 with Xine-lib engine 1.1.1 on SuSE 10.1 Beta 9 and you've been using it for 3 years??

I had no idea SuSE 10.1 has been in beta for 3 years (not to mention amarok 1.4 and Xine-lib engine 1.1.1).

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horrible review

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 03:25 AM
get a clue before you go and say none of these players can play the files you mentioned. Thats like saying linux doesn't play dvd's without realizing you just don't have the right packages installed. jerk.

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couple things

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 03:59 AM
1. It's not the goal of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/every/ media player to do something as specific as be able to interface with an iPod. They're media players, not iTunes replacements. A good program for interfacing with an iPod though is GTKPod. If you desire so much to listen to what's on your iPod, you can configure it to use an external program to listen with.

2. There is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/much/ more to take into consideration when looking at media players than just what file formats it can play. Since that's just about all you looked at, this review is more geared towards<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/you/ than towards the linux.com audience.

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Quod Libet only for mp3 and ogg?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 09:16 AM
Supported formats: flac, mod, mp3, mp4, mpc, oggvorbis, wavpack

This is a line printed every time I start my Quod Libet 0.17 (this isn't even the latest version.)

As you can clearly see, FLAC support is present. I have several albums in the flac lossless format, and Quodlibet handles them perfectly fine. Also note the presence of *several* formats other than MP3 and Ogg, which you stated were the only supported formats near the end of your article.

Furthermore, your article is filled with false or poorly researched information in almost every area, and if I didn't know better, I could almost say this was anti-Linux FUD.

You, Sir, are an idiot.

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Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 21, 2006 02:29 PM
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www.tipcell.com sell: sanyo 8500 Flex Cable

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 21, 2006 02:30 PM
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Basically typical GNOME user's review . . .

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 10:28 AM
That's why Rhythmbox turned out to the tops. Amarok is miles and miles ahead of everything here.

Looks like these days reviewers install linux 5 minutes before reviewing. If the reviewer had actually used amarok, it would have transpired that it can practically do everything that other players can -- and very well, and while looking good visually!

I also believe there is a covert conspiracy from the GTK-GNOME crowd to say a lie thousand times so it becomes the truth!

Bah!

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Re:Basically typical GNOME user's review . . .

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 24, 2006 09:44 PM
Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.

This guy is as clueless about Gnome applications as he is about Amarok. Or may be there is a malice -- John C. Dvorak's one -- by writing something so stupid as this article he is certain to create a lot of angry reaction and thus impressions of ads in the top of the page. And that's what matters, right?

To make this post at least slightly useful, two links. If the author spend at least hour looking around for the web, he should stumble upon this
<a href="http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/26/essentials-2006" title="diveintomark.org">http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/26/essen<nobr>t<wbr></nobr> ials-2006</a diveintomark.org>
which leads to this
<a href="http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/" title="freecontrib.org">http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/</a freecontrib.org>

Best,

Matěj

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you are giving completely bogus info on amarok

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 02:15 PM
This is wrong, amarok does ALL the things in your table..

first, amarok is engine independent, and xine will do all the things you mention..

realaudio radio? sure, xine supports EVERYTHING mplayer does, including win32codecs, and realaudio..

cd support? ffs! it does!. the rest of the formats? YES, it supports it, via xine..

get your facts straight

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Re:you are giving completely bogus info on amarok

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 02:16 PM
this was meant at the article, not your comment, sorry

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Musicminer

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 03:46 PM
You should try the <a href="http://musicminer.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">musicminer </a sourceforge.net>. Its not a player, but offers a unique way of visualizing your music collection. Its platform independent (Java) and GPL. For a player it uses e.g. xmms or (cough) winamp.

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XMMS's user interface

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 04:04 PM
XMMS has some very nice interface features. I'm unsure whether I prefer it or Amarok. XMMS seems more stable and efficient than Amarok.

XMMS operates easily using the special buttons on the keyboard, with a plugin that lets me press whichever key I wish to bind to each function.

An excellent feature of its playlist is the queueing function. You can leave it on random, but queue up an album or two then have it revert to random once finished.

XMMS also has a numebr of control panel plugins for various desktop environments.

Amarok is improving and now has a lot of these features, but in comparison I find it a lot less resource efficient. Earlier versions had serious multithreading issues. Whether these have been resolved or whether I'm just doing better on a bigger machine I don't know.

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my personal choice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 05:59 PM
I've recently switched from windows to linux and was missing the ability to listen to music.
After testing most of the popular linux software, my personal choice goes to:
+ wine (www.winehq.com)
+ foobar (www.foobar2000.org)
+ deliplayer (www.deliplayer.com)

and for a non wine solution I use:
+ vlc (www.videolan.org/vlc/)
+ mplayer (www.mplayerhq.hu)

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Re:my personal choice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 11, 2006 11:25 PM
> + wine (www.winehq.com)
> + foobar (www.foobar2000.org)
> + deliplayer (www.deliplayer.com)

oh, dear...
use audacious and uade -> <a href="http://zakalwe.fi/uade" title="zakalwe.fi">http://zakalwe.fi/uade</a zakalwe.fi>

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Cue files

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2006 06:28 PM
How *any* audio player review can miss detailing which players are able to use cuefiles is beyond me - for a lot of uses, the lack of cuefile support is a deal breaker.

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Written from the perspective of an end user. Good

Posted by: Administrator on April 05, 2006 07:57 PM
We are finally beginning to see reviews based on the perspective of an end-user instead of a tinkerer. I think that is good and a sign of Linux's growing maturity.


The fact that I'm using Linux that doesn't mean I want to wade through manuals to install something as basic as a music player. To be frank, I don't want to spend more than 5 minutes on choosing and installing it. A music player is a typical end-user application, which (in my opinion) when packaged with a distribution should be approachable like one. That means point, click, and it works. Without problems. And if I point the darn thing at a format it doesn't know how to handle, then it can tell me that I should install lib XYZ in order to play that format instead of crashing. For me, nothing less is acceptable if Linux is to compete with Windows on the desktop.


This is precisely why I'm using a distribution that does that sort of stuff for me (I use Suse 9.3 and run KDE). I expect end-user packages that come with the distribution to just work after installation. No crashes. No install sections of any manuals to search. No additional libs I should have found in the manuals, hunted down, compiled and installed. If additional packages are needed, then I want the distro's installer to handle that for me (which YAST usually does).


Now there are plenty of applications that aren't targeted at end-users, and for those its completely fair to explect people to first read the manual and then to carefully do the install by hand, paying attention to any libs that it might need.


As regards Amarok, when I installed it under KDE using YAST, it ran first time and didn't crash. It probably did for the reviewer, but then he was careful enough to state what distro he used.


What we can learn from it is that an application that crashes on one distro may run quite nicely on. So the upshot is we can probably say that real end-users should wait for a review targeted at their particular distro.

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Re:Written from the perspective of an end user. Go

Posted by: Administrator on April 06, 2006 12:18 AM
Right on. 2 hours configuring a home network = time well spent. 1/2 hour trying to get a CD to play = a little ridiculous.

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I recently found gmusicbrowser...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 06, 2006 01:14 AM
that I found really remarkable at dealing with reasonably large collections of files.

It has an iTunes-like interface (Gtk+ interface with Perl bindings) and really does a good job at editing the tags (I only tested the ogg format) and classifying the music according to these tags.

Really, I set up a juke box with that program and I a very happy.

Browse sourceforge.net for it or go to

<a href="http://squentin.free.fr/gmusicbrowser/gmusicbrowser.html" title="squentin.free.fr">http://squentin.free.fr/gmusicbrowser/gmusicbrows<nobr>e<wbr></nobr> r.html</a squentin.free.fr>

Ciao

Filippo

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Re: I recently found gmusicbrowser...

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.108.207.46] on November 30, 2007 04:11 AM
I second this reccomendation.
Its very slim/no bullshit and extremely FAST when organizing and sorting lots of music. It grabbed 5000 files from my NTFS windows partition in less than a minute and plays them no problem. Also, there are about 15-20 layouts (emulations of all popular linux players and more) you can choose that all drastically change the functionality of the player... This is the most impressive part I think.

TRY it and play around for a few minutes and I think you'll have a new friend.

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Re:Thank you for your comments

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 06, 2006 08:06 AM
Next time, don't just write 'your experience', this is not where you post your diary really.

This place is supposed to provide technical report of said title you offer. So put some facts in more instead of, this worked for me, this didn't, so this one is cooler...

Just get what an article is before you publish next one, though it seems linux.com publisher don't give a damn to publish what.

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THIS is a crap article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 06, 2006 03:46 PM
At least when you _test_ an application you should care if it is properly installed or not.
Amarok plays WAV, FLAC, ASF, WMA, OGG, MP3 fine, but you have to install win32codecs of course...

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Re:THIS is a crap article

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 07, 2006 06:21 AM
i am not so sure, lots of them should work just well without that, win32codecs only allows to play "sh*ts" like wma fileformat, in other way i agree with your title - writers' opinion about amarok is very silly quickminded and perhaps old, i tried almost all of that stuff for more than year as substitution for winamp (may it rest in peaces), and i still think that amarok is the best of the best.. when you have 256+ ram or external mysql server<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
new kaffeine (0.8.1) <a href="http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/</a sourceforge.net> is really awsome

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No Drag N' Drop Mentioned

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 07, 2006 04:03 AM
I agree about XMMS. It is full featured and there are many many 3rd party plugins. The wma plug in has an advantage in that you don't have to install windows codecs to your system.

I would like to add a mention about a feature I really like. XMMS supports drag n' drop very nicely.

Drag n' drop onto the player and that song plays. Drag N' drop onto the playlist window to build your playlist.

I love it.

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Article title says it all (many missed his point)

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 07, 2006 07:42 AM
For those of you saying it was terrible review of audio players, you missed the point of the article completely.

As the title of the article states, the article is about one guys quest to find an audio player and it is NOT a review of audio players.

Truth be told, I think he did a pretty good job of summarizing the options that he found for his distro.

I would also agree that using an Ubuntu beta version was probably not the best choice of distros for starting out on such a quest.

Peter, never mind what these critics are saying; keep writing. I found your article entertaining and enlightening (I had no idea there were so many players out there).

-- Tom

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Re:Article title says it all (many missed his poin

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 29, 2006 08:03 PM
Having recently just been introduced to Linux I found this article very useful. Some of the replies were also useful, although unnecessarily bitchy and hostile. I am amazed at how personally people have taken the fact that their music player of choice has had a bad word against it, jesus christ its not your bloody mother.

I would encourage the Author to continue writing articles, personally I thought the review was very useful.

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Your an Idiot

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 08, 2006 11:02 PM
The person who wrote this is an idiot.

Bitching about not being able to play various formats when they obviously did not configure the media backends (gstreamer/xine) with w32codec support... what a morron. You have effectively screwed over a lot of great quality software with bad experience due to your idiocy.

Nice one.

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Realplayer doesn't play Realaudio?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 10, 2006 11:40 AM
Now that confuses me.

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Remote Players

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 11, 2006 04:31 PM