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Review: SUSE 10.1

By Joe Barr on May 24, 2006 (8:00:00 AM)

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Novell released SUSE 10.1 -- the distro once known as OpenSUSE -- this month after an extensive public beta that went through five public and two closed release candidates before being deemed worthy. Here's my take on the final version of SUSE 10.1.

I installed SUSE 10.1 on a desktop system and a laptop. Installation was fairly normal for a modern Linux distribution, easy-as-pie in the full default mode if you're not concerned with partitioning or dual-booting, and not difficult even if you are. I ran into a bump in the road during installation on both machines: a small bump on the desktop and a more pronounced one on the laptop. Both bumps had to do with hardware compatibility.

The desktop machine is a locally built "white-box" unit made up of an MSI K8 mainboard with an AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+, 1GB of memory, Maxtor 160GB Ultra ATA133 7200RPM 8MB disk drive, Hitachi GDR8162B CD/DVD ROM drive, and a Logitech USB/PS2 optical rodent. I used the on-board Nvidia video, sound, and Ethernet components provided on the MSI mainboard.

The only hiccup during installation came when I tried to install using a previously untested Microsoft Digital Media Pro USB keyboard. The BIOS could see the keyboard during power-up, but the kernel could not, so I went back to my Micro Innovations PS2 keyboard.

Since this is my test machine, I have the Maxtor hard drive divided into three primary partitions to house different distributions, plus a swap partition. To coax SUSE 10.1 to lay itself down on the first partition without disturbing the other two, I had to select Custom partitioning and point it at the proper partition. I added mount points for the other two partitions to make them accessible to me while running SUSE 10.1. The default filesystem is ReiserFS, and I let that choice stand for the install.

I enabled OpenSSH and left the firewall up during network configuration. The installer correctly identified all the on-board components, including the MCP51 Ethernet controller, and demonstrated that by successfully connecting to the Internet and configuring the online update function. The only update available at the time was a security fix for Opera.

In just over half an hour, SUSE 10.1 was ready for business on the desktop machine.

The default desktop

SUSE's default GNOME desktop shows a sky blue abstract image with two lone icons: one for my home directory and one for the trash. A panel located along the bottom contains contains three clickables on the left: one is called Applications, the next is Places, and the third is Desktop. Applications is where you'll find all the programs that you'd want to use. Places allows you to do things like open the file explorer in predetermined places, like your user home directory, or the desktop. You can also display network servers found on your LAN, connect to a server, search for files, or clear recent documents. Desktop is the GNOME menu equivalent of clicking Start in order to stop the system on Windows. Click it and you can log off to change users, reboot, or shutdown, as well as take a snapshot of the desktop, get help, configure the desktop, or start YaST, openSUSE's management application.

On the right side of the panel, openSUSE has icons for online updates, volume control, video display info, local search, and the date/time display.

Applications, anyone?

SUSE has always provided a ton of apps with its distributions. OpenSUSE 10.1 is well stocked, too, thus explaining why the full distribution takes five CDs or a DVD to hold it all. Here's what I saw on a quick trip down the default application menu tree, which is only a small fraction of the available applications.

There are menu sections for Games, Graphics, Internet, Multimedia, Office, System, Utilities, and Help. Games has submenus for Action, Arcade, Board, Card, Puzzle, and Tactics and Strategy. Highlights include Frozen Bubbles, Super Tux, and Free Civ.

Graphics includes the GIMP, the F-Spot photo handler, XSane, Inkscape, OpenOffice.org Draw, and a new drawing program I haven't seen before called Skencil.

Internet choices include Gaim and XChat, Evolution, two RSS readers, GnomeMeeting and Linphone for VOIP, Pan for newsreading, and browsers Epiphany, Firefox, and Konqueror.

Multimedia has Banshee and Sound Juicer, GNOME CD-DVD Creator, CD Database Server, and Kino to edit videos. Sound tools include both a sound monitor and a sound recorder. Video playback can be handled by Totem, and Vanity is offered as a webcam utility.

The Office section has everything, including a database, dictionary, PDF viewer, flow-charting tools, a project planner, Gnumeric and OOo Calc for spreadsheet chores, and of course Impress for presentations and Writer for word processing.

System contains choices for configuration, desktop applets, documentation, feedback, file manager, filesystem, monitors (more than 20 of them), more programs, network, remote access, terminals, and YaST.

And finally, the Utilities section offers tools for archiving, calculator, nine different tools for configuring the desktop, four different editors, three tools for controlling print and fax, and a Bluetooth manager for your phone.

Making it yours

3-D desktop cube
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I don't know anyone who sticks with the default menu choices; I certainly don't. The first thing I did was add the apps I use all the time. That was as easy as finding them in the Applications menu tree, then right-clicking on them and selecting Add to Panel.

But with this release, I wanted to do more. For instance, I wanted to try bleeding-edge apps such as Glx and Compiz. We first wrote about the 3-D magic they bring to the desktop in our review of Korokaa. Here's how I got them running on 10.1 with GNOME and an Nvidia video card. It's not a trivial process, but just take it one (well-documented) step at a time and you'll get there.

  • Read about Xgl.
  • Read about using Xgl on SUSE Linux.
  • Install the kernel-source, make, and gcc packages with YaST.
  • Install the Nvidia driver.
  • Install the Xgl, Compiz, libsvg-cairo, and libsvg packages.
  • Configure /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager to use Xgl.
  • Configure Compiz.

Note that SUSE also has separate instructions for configuring Xgl to work with ATI cards and KDE, as well as Nvidia and the GNOME desktop.

One of the coolest features included with SUSE 10.1, if you've installed Glx and Compiz, that is, is the new GNOME Control Center dialog for Desktop Effects. You can do some pretty amazing things here, beginning with enabling or disabling the 3-D desktop. Beyond that, you can:

  • Make windows wobble when moved.
  • Make window edges "sticky" when moved.
  • Make window edges translucent when moved.
  • Make windows wobble then they appear.
  • Make windows fade when they are closed.
  • Zoom windows to/from taskbar as minimized or maximized.
  • Change window opacity in real time.
  • Define number of sides to the 3-D desktop cube.
  • Set control for flipping cube.
  • Enable window sorter/organizer.
  • Set control for desktop zoom.
  • Enable desktop rain.
  • Adjust rain from "chance of showers" to "downpour."

Honest, I'm not making those settings up. I offer as proof the following tabs (tab 1, tab 2, and tab 3) from the 3D-Effects Settings of the GNOME Control Center.

Naturally, such magic can be used either for good or for evil. I do not recommend taunting Windows or Mac users sitting next to you on a long flight, as you open your laptop and throw your colors before their incredulous, "still waiting for Vista" faces.

In fact, the only real use I've found for all this desktop alchemy so far is the zoom function, which is something my tired old eyes have been longing for. I've got mine set to zoom in on Ctrl-Mouse3. I had to change it from its default of the "Super" key, because I didn't know which key that is. I'm told that normally, it's right next to the "any" key, but I couldn't find that either.

SUSE 10.1 plays well with others

No desktop is an island, so I decided to test SUSE 10.1's ability to reach out and touch other devices from the desktop. First up was my Hewlett-Packard Deskjet 6840 wireless network printer. I used YaST to install it, and in about a minute was printing test pages from across the LAN.

I expected the second test to be more of a challenge for SUSE, but it rose to the occasion. I plugged my Canon Powershot A95 camera into a USB port on the front of the desktop box and was immediately greeted by a pop-up window asking if I wanted to import photos from the recently detected camera. I chose yes, and F-Spot started up, downloaded thumbnails of all the images on the camera, and allowed me to pick the ones I wanted to import. If only everything in the world of personal computing worked so easily and seamlessly, I'd be a happy camper.

The last test involved my iPod Nano. I plugged it in and it was immediately detected, just as the camera had been. Banshee, the music player, started up, which was a slight annoyance since that's not why I connected the Nano to the box. I run Rockbox on the iPod, and when I connect it to my computer it is either to install a newer version of the firmware or to add music to the iPod. It's never to play music from it or to synchronize the iPod and my computer. A quick peek in the GNOME Control Center, and I found Music Players under Removable Drives and Media -> Multimedia. After unchecking Play Music, Banshee no longer pops up when I connect the Nano.

SUSE 10.1 on the laptop

While the desktop machine's purpose in life is testing, my IBM T40 laptop is a production workhorse. I take it shows and conferences in order to submit stories and pictures, and generally stay in touch via the Internet. Other than taking a little bit longer than the desktop install, installation of openSUSE 10.1 with KDE on the laptop went just as smoothly as the installation on the desktop. There was a more serious hiccup on the laptop, however. The installer did not correctly recognize the T40's built-in wireless adapter.

The onboard IBM 82801DB PRO/100 Ethernet controller and the Intel PRO Wireless LAN 21003B PCI adapter were detected during the install, but the Intel wireless adapter was identified as an Ethernet connection instead of as a wireless device. Manually changing the type to Wireless in YaST did no good.

I resolved the problem after asking about it in the #opensuse IRC channel at irc.freenode.net -- which, by the way, is not the right place to ask for support. The right place is the #suse channel on the same network; #opensuse is for developers working on the project. I got lucky, however, and one of the developers tipped me toward some packages not included in the 10.1 distribution release but available online. I was told to add a site as an installation source in YaST, and then to install the ipw-firmware package. In the end, I also had to install the ipw3945d and wlan-kpw-default packages, but once I added those, everything worked just as it should.

The applications selected as defaults for a KDE installation are different than those for GNOME: Digikam for photos instead of F-Spot, Kooka for scanning instead of XSane, no drawing apps other than OpenOffice draw, and so on. Most of the differences have to do with using a standard KDE tool rather than a best-of-breed choice.

Luckily for me, and others in the "one size does not fit all" crowd, it is a trivial process to replace default tools with those you wish the developers had chosen in the first place, whether that means putting K3b in the GNOME menu or XChat in the KDE menu.

I re-tested the Canon A95 and the iPod Nano with the laptop. As soon as the camera was connected, KDE detected it and offered a menu of five or six choices, one of which was to start Digikam. I selected that one, then configured it by adding the camera -- the auto-detection identified it for me -- setting up a folder to hold the images, and downloading the images. It took a few more clicks than needed on the desktop, perhaps, but it was a smooth and satisfactory experience nonetheless. Ditto with the iPod, except that instead of starting an unwanted music player, KDE offered me the choice of doing nothing or opening a Konqueror view of the contents of the device.

Zen flesh, Zen bugs

According to the openSUSE.org site, SUSE 10.1 has a new package manager resolver called libzypp, which is a combination of the best of YaST2 and Ximian Red Carpet. Or it will be, once it gets fixed. I thought it strange there were no updates after a week, and learned on IRC that it's broken. It runs under the name of ZenUpdater if you use the GUI version, or by the name of rug if you prefer a command-line tool. Both versions of this application, the GUI and the CLI, are written in Mono, so the same executable apparently can run on both Windows and Linux machines. Though I can't swear to that, I can testify to the fact that seeing ZenUpdater.exe and rug.exe appearing in the output from running ps ax is a startling experience.

The bug -- whatever and wherever it is -- is probably the reason that I haven't seen any security updates available since the day I installed 10.1.

Conclusion

SUSE 10.1 is an incremental improvement over its predecessors, but many users will experience Glx sight-effects on their own desktop for the first time with 10.1, so for them, 10.1 will be anything but incremental: it'll be incredible.

At least at first it will be. Glx's spinning-cube, translucent, quivering windows grow tiresome after awhile. But geeks like bright and shiny things, so I'm predicting a big surge in the popularity of openSUSE as a result of this release, bugs and all.

With SUSE 10.1, Novell has embraced and extended its role as the leading desktop distribution. Given the amount of eye-popping eye candy and playtime 3-D effects available on this desktop, it's easy to forget that Novell is all about bringing Linux to the corporate -- not the home -- desktops. Yes, the money is all in the server market these days, but after the revolution Linux will inherit its rightful share of desktops, too.

Novell competitor Red Hat ignores investing in the desktop because there isn't any money to be made there -- yet. That's probably a wise call, because I don't believe they have the talent or the passion to match Novell's desktop magic: David Reveman's amazing work on Xgl and Compiz, and the Ximian crew Novell acquired prior to buying SUSE. When the barriers to the corporate desktop finally come tumbling down, openSUSE will be in position to lead the charge.

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Re:Another bump in the Suse road

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 01:39 AM
It's not called OpenSUSE anymore. It's just SUSE.

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Re:Another bump in the Suse road

Posted by: Joe Barr on May 25, 2006 02:20 AM
Oh, bother. It's gone from SuSE, to SUSE, to OpenSUSE, and now back to SUSE? Grumble, grumble, grumble.


OK, thanks for pointing that out. I've corrected the title and hopefully replaced all references to OpenSUSE with SUSE. Except for the website, of course, which is still called OpenSUSE.org. At least for the moment.

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A Distro By Any Other Name...

Posted by: Administrator on May 25, 2006 04:36 AM
It doesn't matter what the distro is now called, the web site is still called "opensuse.org", and that is what I referenced. Typing "suse.org" in the browser takes you to the Novell website.

Oh, and apologies to Bill for the subject (and I don't mean Gates)

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Updater

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 01:43 AM
I have also notice that the Zen updater does have trouble pulling down the recent updates, however, their really is not much to currently update. Just recently dhcp update packages were released. You can pull the rpm directly off the site, and Zen will intstall them with out a problem.

<a href="http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/update/10.1/" title="ale.org">http://ftp.ale.org/pub/suse/update/10.1/</a ale.org>

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Adding multimedia/other goodies?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 02:39 AM
I've installed OpenSUSE 10.1 on a laptop, and it was generally a good experience, too. The new updating tool is a giant pain--but at least in my case it worked, albeit very s-l-o-w-l-y.

Adding multimedia and other goodies absent from SUSE can be a bit of a mystery for OpenSUSE newbies. Here is a good explanation of how to do that:

<a href="http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/ncaa/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=19271" title="ncaabbs.com">http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/ncaa/phpbb/viewtopi<nobr>c<wbr></nobr> .php?t=19271</a ncaabbs.com>

--AR

P.S. I'm stickin' with the openSUSE name--at least it let's people know that it is the free and not purchased version, which in itself is useful info.

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Updates Not Broken

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 02:43 AM
Just wanted to mention that the information regarding the updater being broken you got on IRC is wrong.

SUSE 10.1 has compulsory registration in order to receive updates.

Use YaST and select Software/Online Update Setup (or Configuration, I don't have my 10.1 box in front of me). You'll be prompted to submit information to Novell (any or all of which can be ommitted). After submission, an update source will be added to you Installation Sources and you'll be able to get updates. Automatic Update notification via the system tray will also become active as well.

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I didn't register, but updates work

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 01:02 PM
FYI, I didn't register anything with Novell, and online updates thru YaST worked fine at least for me. Very slow--but fine.

--AR

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You may be right, but...

Posted by: Joe Barr on May 25, 2006 03:32 AM

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols has an entire story on the breakage, it's called "Singing the OpenSUSE package manager blues" and you can find it here:

<a href="http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3456783210.html" title="desktoplinux.com">http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3456783210<nobr>.<wbr></nobr> html</a desktoplinux.com>

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I was wondering what was going on

Posted by: Administrator on May 25, 2006 04:54 AM
I've been unable to use Yast to install any RPM's, and I was beginning to wonder what was going on. Previously, I've only had to drop to the command line when the RPM installation failed, in order to read the error output. But now, I've had to do that with everything. What a pain in the boot-sector!

Anyway, thanks for pointing out Steve's article. I hadn't caught up with it yet, and it fills-in the gaps a bit.

As for the YOU program itself, the only complaint I've had about it is that there were some patches you couldn't permanently disable, so my susewatcher icon was always telling me there was a patch available. Arrrgh. Now instead of fixing it, they replace YOU with something with even more problems.

Of course, with the installer broken, getting any fix for it's gonna be a laugh and a half! So much for automatic updates.

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Sorry, just can't trust. . .

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 04:31 AM
a guy with a hyphen in his last name!

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Default Gnome??

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 10:59 AM
Suse is no Gnome distribution. It is sad to see SuSe crippled by the fanatic Ximian boys.

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Re:Default Gnome??

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 01:00 PM
You're right. There is no default desktop, the review is wrong.

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That review is not wrong, just misunderstood

Posted by: Joe Barr on May 25, 2006 07:56 PM
With SuSE/SUSE/OpenSUSE/and now SUSE again, you get a choice of desktop environments. That's why I installed GNOME on the desktop and KDE on the laptop.


Read the line "default GNOME desktop" as the GNOME desktop in its default configuration. Context is everything, and all the text that follows that is about changing the default GNOME desktop.


But there is no dobut I could have been more clear about that.

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Re:Default Gnome??

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 28, 2006 08:19 AM
There's nothing wrong with having Novell focus their resources on one desktop instead of many. For one thing they can accomplish solutions to their customers concerns more quickly while focusing on one desktop. Now while I've been a fan of KDE on Linux for a long time I will admit Novell has gotten this Gnome release right compared to previous SUSE Linux releases. Gnome is less cluttered in layout of shortcuts both on the desktop and start menu than compared to KDE. Novell was also smart enough to include more useful applications for those that may find them attractive whether in the home, school or business. It's also nice to find that work on their mono based projects such as Banshee and Beagle are developing and not at a stand still. Anyway, it would be nice to find posters not so quick to bash Novell for their actions prior to actually trying the release and actuall attempt at making a constructive criticism.

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Re:Default Gnome??

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 10, 2006 03:22 AM
Well put, having too many DE's can lead to too much stain, though I must say i perfer kde's look and feel, slightly sad that they went more on the gnome side, but I'll defintatly full install both kde and gnome this time around and see. Perhaps if they did a good job i might change my mind on gnome. really anxious as i'm in the middle of downloadin 10.1 now. But focusing on one is nothing wrong, but neither kde nor gnome are exactly fast or resource freindly, good old window maker (loads as fast as telling it to, lacks a confortable interface though, and just not fun to use)

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Re:Another bump in the Suse road

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 11:08 AM
> RT2500 problems on 10.0 to 10.1

Yes, imagine my surprise after installing Suse 10.0 immediately apon purchase of the AMD64-powered Compaq Presario V2630 (ran fine with my RT2500-based Hawking PCMCIA card), then found the 10.1 announcment on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./, downloaded and installed and immediately lost ACPI and pcmcia support - tho with NDISWrapper I did get a bit of support for the Compaq's included Broadcom 4318 card (it sees all local accesspoints, it just won't connect to any of them, open or not).

Otherwise, rock solid as all Suse's, tho if the wireless and ACPI problems aren't fixed soon by a kernel update on Yast I'm going to be grabbing 64Bit Dapper and making a switch.

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GLX Foo Foo

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 11:08 AM
Glx's spinning-cube, translucent, quivering windows grow tiresome after awhile.

What is up with the GLX hype? I have yet to see a valid or legitimate use for it. Spinning cubes and wobbly windows are eye catchers and nothing more. I've had screensavers appearing to do the same thing since 1995! They serve no practical purpose. Transparent/translucent windows are neat but, they are also hard on the eyes, confusing and generally a nuisance.

Despite these realities, everyone is chanting GLX GLX. Big deal. Does it have a useful purpose? I'd like to know because spinning cubes, wobbly windows and transparency aren't "all that" no matter what the Aero Glass design team sold you on. So far as I can tell, the pager is far more useful than GLX will ever be.

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Re:GLX Foo Foo

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 12:00 PM
You will see it when you use it.
It is a bit weird to explain. It's not the woobly windows or anything of that stuff that makes a big differance. Normally i disable it. However, the one thing that makes Xgl so dam cool is how your desktop will feel/act like. Not to mention that some things actually are handy! Like alt-tab in a bit better way, inresponsive windows now turn dark gray instead of having just a bussy mouse icon and inresponsive widgets. Stuff like that. As i said, youl have to see for yourself<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Re:GLX Foo Foo

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 26, 2006 04:16 AM
have to admit like the other person responding that the wobbly windows really doesn't offer up much other than eye entertainment.

however, the spinning cube and some other features like the real thumbnail (during alt-tab) do have real uses and in fact are there to help increase productivity. we've actually tested this out in a small call center of ours where we have the operators step folks through a loan application. In reality this process utilizes a few applications on our end as they get through the process (customer database, loan database, credit checking app, etc.)...and we ended up putting each application on a seperate face of the cube. this made things much easier for the folks on the phone so they just flip back and forth...much easier and in fact quicker than minimizing/maximizing windows.

At least this was in our case where we found it very useful...and honestly we did disable some of the other eye-candy for those folks too...but they loved it...

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Re:GLX Foo Foo

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 26, 2006 10:50 AM
GLX offers many enhancements to those users whose systems can handle it. For example, Quake is quite a fun game, and for those Free Software enthusiasts there is Crack Attack, PlanetPenguin Racer and much more.
Another application that uses the OpenGL 3D graphics card driver extension (called "GLX") is the new 3D accelerated X server, called XGL.

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Re:Another bump in the Suse road

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 12:59 PM
Way more simple: it never was openSUSE inbetween.

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Super Key

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 02:45 PM
The super key is the one next to Hyper, also commonly known as the "windows" key

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Re:Super Key

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 26, 2006 10:46 AM
The "super" key keeps the system consistent on any number of machines. Yes, many think it means "We don't want to call it the Windows key", but you may notice that Macs don't have a Windows key, and neither do Amigas or many other systems that GNU/Linux will run perfectly well on.

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K3B Burning Woes

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 09:53 PM
I have Suse10 Eval with KDE 3.5.2a in my second HDD.
I downloaded the 3.5G DVD and when I use K3B to burn the ISO, it says insert a Dual Layer DVD+R. My burner is single Layer DVD and it keeps on ejecting the DVD.
Any suggestions.
That being said my YAST is broken in 10.0 too. When I double click a *.rpm it is Plug & Pray to see if YAST opens to install. I have better success with right-clik->Actions->Install with YAST.
Tried to follow the Guru advise to install SMART. rpm-python error. Follow the instructions & try as given in the page. another error.
Then position it to the folder on the FTP site where RPM python is. Download & try to istall. Now a lib-python/mod-python error. What do I do? Go hang myself!

I am a linux newbie but computer literate and was patient in trying Linux. My experience has become progressively frustrating with Suse10. Initally when everything was working it was like a charm. As I started updating packages, the frigging dependency issues pop up & it is hell.

I have not tried a DEB distro except of course Knoppix LiveCD. Again I am really impressed by LiveCDs and what they do. Recently I used MCNLive Leuven and was very happy with the speed.

I have installed Windows & Suse and I can say that w/o doubt Suse is far superior.But if Suse is supposed to indicate the advancement of Linux in the desktop then as far as application installation goes, it is slowly going to the toilet.

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It DOES Default To Gnome

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2006 11:41 PM
The installation presents a screen to choose which desktop you want. Gnome is now at the top of the list, where KDE use to be. Gnome is also preselected as the default selection at this screen. Yes, you could install KDE or both, the third option, but as you well know most people will simply accept the defaults and click NEXT (As you did.).

That effectively makes Gnome the default desktop. The original poster is correct, the Ximian boys are dragging SuSE, a renowned KDE distribution, and Novell itself down.

Very sad.

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Joe gets touchy-feely

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 26, 2006 03:16 AM
Gee, big guy, I didn't know you could get in touch with your feelings that way!! A role model for all GOM (grumpy old men).<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

Anyway, my recollection was (even though GNOME was first and KDE was second on the install screen, a reversal of the old way) that the user had to actually pick one desktop by clicking on it. That is, there was no default pick that was pre-checked by Novell.

--AR

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Re:Joe gets touchy-feely

Posted by: Joe Barr on May 26, 2006 06:33 AM

Oh, man, now I am crying for happy.

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Re:It DOES Default To Gnome

Posted by: Joe Barr on May 26, 2006 01:53 AM

Well, if I wanted to be sad, I think I would pick something else to make me feel that way. KDE and GNOME are _both_ good desktop environments, and both have benefited from the other.


Novell has wisely backed away from dropping full support for KDE, but it sounds to me like nothing short of killing GNOME would satisfy you.


That makes me sad, so I guess we're even.

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Re:It DOES Default To Gnome

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 26, 2006 06:53 AM
"Novell has wisely backed away from dropping full support for KDE" - That is not a wise choice as QT/KDE is the far superior toolkit as is been proved in the more rapid development and consistent look and feel. And their programs work unlike this Software Updater,
And the pain of the new updater with a Gnome interface running (or not as is the case) on a KDE desktop - total balls up on the HIG front
Novell decided it would be a good idea to use a Gnome program in KDE - wow.. let follow the HIG.. Not. It looks so out of place with all the wrong icons and buttons in the wrong place - it is so counter-HIG. Give Novell a biscuit.

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SuSe 10.1 Glx still behind the times...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 27, 2006 06:12 AM
It's funny you mention the following:
"Naturally, such magic can be used either for good or for evil. I do not recommend taunting Windows or Mac users sitting next to you on a long flight, as you open your laptop and throw your colors before their incredulous, "still waiting for Vista" faces."

Actually the Mac user will just yawn and go right back to sleep and when his Mac Book wakes him up at the specified time with a soothing iTunes playlist, he'll have forgotten all about your intrusion. Then he'll select a romaning network profile and withing two clicks he will have changed all his network setting and proxy settings so he can connect to the free wireless service. Where do you think that cube effect comes from anyway?

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what about Suspend standby hibernate

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 27, 2006 06:09 PM
What is installing in laptop worth if the author of the article did not comment about power management like hibernate?

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Re:what about Suspend standby hibernate

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 28, 2006 04:02 PM
hibernation into RAM worked on my HP nx6125 (512 MB RAM) if you add something to the grub menu (vga=0 , if remember correctly). Hibernation to disk didn't work out of the box, but I din't almost no investigations how to set it up.

But the distribution is very slow on this hardware and Ubuntu is not better. Therefore I rejected these distributions and installed archlinux (no flame, I use TeX, acroread, Opera and nothing more on my laptop and things like autodetection of camera are useless for me).

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Re:what about Suspend standby hibernate

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 08, 2006 12:48 PM
I run an Inspiron 8600. I detest the package management in 10.1 and will probably dump Suse because of it, but...

1. It's the only distribution I've been able to get xgl working on. And it was very painless.

2. More important. I am able to hibernate to disk with 3D enabled. I couldn't freaking believe it. I didn't think that was even theoretically possible.

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Will GLX and XGL run on my laptop

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 02, 2006 09:29 PM
I have a dell c640 laptop : Here are my specs
1.8ghz Pentium 4m CPU
256mb DDR Ram
Mobilty Radeon 7500 Graphics Card.
I want to know if i can run all the new snazy effects with this pc.

Thanks in Advance

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Eye Candy

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 06, 2006 11:20 PM
I first started experimenting with Linux 3 or 4 years ago. In that time I've installed Suse, Mandrake, Conectiva, Red Hat, Lindows/Linspire, Pc Linux, Xandros, Libranet, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Debian and a host of others. I had Libranet on my system for a year and a half, and had high hopes for it, but none of the distro's allowed me to do the 2 things it would take for me to format my windows partition--which believe me--I would love to do. Those two things are play sims 2, and load my mp3 player with music from a subscription music site.

Every time there is a lot of buzz about a new release or a new distro. I install it, with the hopes that this will be the one! The eye candy of XGL is pretty, its slick, and it looks good. But I would be happy if I could just play sims 2, and load up my portable mp3 player. I would love to see Linux become a hard core competitor of Windows--it would create the kind of competition it takes to really improve the computing experience for everyone. I don't mind tinkering to get some things working--but the average person doesn't want to have to go to that much trouble--they want to sit down, turn their computer on, and do what they want to do.

On the other hand maybe its just as well that Linux stays in the hands of the really technical people. The internet was once the exclusive domain of the highly technical and the content, though not as flashy, or eye catching, was generally of a higher caliber, than it is now.

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Re:Eye Candy

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 22, 2007 09:56 AM
I also have been trying to get away from MS winxp. But getting open Suse up and running has proved incredibly difficult for me. First install attempt crashed and left computer locked. Second attempt no sound<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,3d drivers. 3rd attempt changed to gnome and got a working desk top. No 3d and no matter how I try I can not make it work.(ATI) I have spend hours and hours trying. No multimedia files work. Updates lock up the computer. Web pages take for ever to open.(Thunderbird<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/instant on XP) Computer freezes if left for more than a few moments and needs reboot. Down loaded ver 10.3 halts at disk 2 and refuses to except the disk even though it has been content checked. I guess like most people there is no option, other than the MS merry go round, but a least it works.

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Another bump in the Suse road

Posted by: Administrator on May 25, 2006 12:03 AM
As an FYI for folks currently using Suse 10.0, the new version does not support wifi cards using the RT2500 chip. Previous versions of Suse worked out of the box with it, but according to opensuse.org, the older stable drivers don't work with the new kernel, and the latest drivers are unstable. This can be fixed by downloading and manually installing that "unstable" driver yourself. So far, I've had no trouble with it, and my wifi connection appears rock-solid and stable. Because this driver is in flux right now, just make sure you get the latest source before trying to build and use it.

One tip: I had problems using the new kNetworkManager app to configure my wifi connection, but the old tried-and-true method using Yast worked perfectly. Just goes to show: stick to what works instead of playing with all the new toys.

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My take on 10.1

Posted by: Administrator on May 30, 2006 09:31 AM
I have used just about every distro out there. SUSE 10.0 was the only one that just plain worked on my box. I had heard been following the development of 10.1 and eagerly installed it.

First thing I noticed was it was sloooow. This on a PIV 1.7 with 512mb. Then? No MP3 playback. No DVD playback. YAST seemed to take forever to do anything. I mean, in everyday terms it was a big disappointment.

I went back to SUSE 10.0 and (for me and my hardware at least) it just runs stellar. Ripping DVD's, playing them. Tricked out desktop. KDE is my preference.

I am no code guru but, I can get around on Linux. SUSE 10.0 is the "family" computer running ONLY SUSE and no dual-boot-Redmond box. My wife and kids love it and I love teaching them things on it. SUSE seems to have rushed this 10.1 onto the servers IMO. It runs like an Alpha release on my machine. 10.0 is staying here for awhile. It is by FAR the best running, easiest to maintain, easiest to install software on Linux distro out there. I wnated to like 10.1 and gave it a shot but, it ain't happening. I am sure SUSE will get it nailed down sooner or later. I am sticking with SUSE. Ubuntu? I don't get all the hoopla about it myself. SUSE rules but it's not 10.1. 10.0 for me baby!

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