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Mandriva 2007: Back in the race

By Bruce Byfield on November 01, 2006 (8:00:00 AM)

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Beginning with an easy-to-use installer and booting into a well-thought-out desktop, Mandriva 2007 provides an environment that is aesthetically consistent and makes new users feel at home. Where Mandriva 2006 failed to provide an appropriate level of support for more advanced users, Mandriva 2007 includes prominently displayed tools for configuration from the desktop. Although these tools are marred by sluggish package management and an unhelpful security rating system, as well as instability on some machines, overall Mandriva 2007 re-establishes the distribution as one of the most advanced desktop experiences in GNU/Linux.

Mandriva 2007 comes in several editions. Those who prefer to use only free software have a choice of the One live CD for either GNOME or KDE, or the Linux Free edition. For those without philosophical objections to proprietary software, Mandriva offers the Discovery edition for beginners, the Powerpack edition for more advanced users, and Powerpack+ for small businesses and home offices. In addition, the Mandriva Club edition includes unspecified packages available only to members. I installed and tested the Discovery edition.

Installation

Mandriva has had more years than most distributions to perfect its install. Its maturity shows in the care with which basic and advanced options are positioned in each window. When creating a user, for example, beginners only need to worry about the user name and password, while advanced users can toggle options for setting the new user's groups and preferred shells. With this practice, Mandriva 2007's install program should satisfy all levels of users. Equally noteworthy is the fact that it is one of the few install programs that includes both printer and sound configuration. When the most noticeable difference in the latest edition is the Windows-like ads for new features that run if you choose not to view the details of what's happening, you know that you are using an install program with a long pedigree.

Installing Mandriva 2007
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All the same, the install program does have some room for improvement. The disk partitioner could potentially cause confusion because its column of buttons mixes configuration choices such as Type (of filesystem) with actions such as Format. Similarly, the Summary page -- which is misnamed, since it is actually where most of the configuration takes place -- needs to place network configuration higher than other features that require it. Users who work systematically through the installation can likely overcome any confusion caused by these two problems, but they shouldn't have to do so.

Desktop

The fact that Mandriva is a desktop distribution is driven home by the fact that, to get to a root shell, you need to select System -> Configure Your Computer -> System -> Open a Console. Even after so much drilling down, the shell that opens is unconfigurable, and blocks the opening of any other part of the Control Center. Nor is there any way without previous knowledge to add an icon for a command line to the desktop or panel. Mandriva's collection of graphical software and administration tools is exhaustive enough that many users may not miss the command line, but, all the same, the message is clear: in this distribution, you use the desktop.

To experienced users, that dictum probably seems limiting, but Mandriva has obviously put considerable effort into the desktop. Its new default La Ora theme, a mixture of shades of yellow and orange, may not be to everyone's taste, but is likely to find wider approval than the blacks and grays of Mandriva 2006's default theme. As part of the overall look, home directories contain color-coded folders for documents and other types of content, and tools such as OpenOffice.org are configured to use the designated folders. Similarly, the menu displays only a selection of the installed software. The menu can be customized on the System tab of the Control Center, but, given that users can only discover the differences between the Discovery and Mandriva menus through experimentation, while reverting to the original default KDE menus removes Mandriva-specific items, changes are inadvisable. The result is a desktop that inexperienced users will find friendly, but that veterans used to doing things their own way may chafe at.

For those with high-end machines, Mandriva 2007 also includes the option of a 3-D desktop using AIGLX or Xgl. Featuring desktops that revolves as though on a top, these novelties are fascinating to try, but probably too memory-intensive for most people's everyday work -- which may explain why only two workspaces, rather than KDE's usual four, are part of the default configuration. If you are curious about 3-D desktops but unsure whether your machine supports them, you should either disable automatic login or try them in a user account created specially for the purpose. Otherwise, a failure to load one can mean that the X Window System hangs every time you reboot.

Software selection

The software in Mandriva 2007 is current as of about mid-September. It includes the 2.6.17 kernel, KDE 3.5.4, and GNOME 2.16, all of which are reasonably current, but also Mozilla 1.5.0.6 and OpenOffice.org 2.03, both of which have had recent upgrades with significant new features or improvements in performance. The rest of the software available on the DVD seems well-selected but occasionally limited. At times, you may have to hunt the default menu to find a tool, because items are described by function rather than name; the GIMP, for example, is under Graphics -> Image Editor.

Mandriva 2007 also includes a careful selection of proprietary tools, including Cedega for online gaming, Skype for Internet phone calls, Java Runtime Environment 1.5.0_08, and Acrobat Reader 7.0. Aside from the convenience of having Nvidia video drivers available on the DVD, probably the standout among the proprietary programs is LinDVD, which provides a legal way to play movies under GNU/Linux. These tools are excluded from the free versions of Mandriva.

The strongest software offerings in Mandriva 2007 are not third-party, but developed by Mandriva itself. Most of these are centralized in the Mandriva Linux Control Center, which is available in the menu under System -> Configure Your Computer. The Control Center is not new with Mandriva 2007, but this incarnation is especially thorough, providing option-filled GUI tools for everything from disk partitioning to hardware configuration and boot options. The Network and Internet tab of the Control Center is especially welcome, since they give advanced users the same level of tool support as beginners. Although the Mandriva's Control Center overlaps with KDE's at many points, it remains one of the most complete centralized collection of system tools available. However, its response time can sometimes be slow and its inability to open multiple windows without starting a new instance is frustrating.

Package management

Mandriva 2006 included both RPMDrake and Conectiva's Smart for package management. This year, Mandriva has dropped Smart in favor of a version of RPMDrake that has been merged into the Control Center on the Software Management tab. The tab includes a tool for creating an account with Mandrake's online services -- which the tool does not specify, and which, rather alarmingly, requires sending a list of installed packages and your hardware configuration to Mandriva.

The rest of the icons on the Software Management tab open on RPMDrake, a three-paned window with general package categories in a tree on the left, a list of packages on the top right, and a summary of the currently selected package on the right. A search tool sits in the toolbar, and update tools are in the menus. Although, like any modern package manager, RPMDrake automatically resolves dependencies, I found it much slower than Yum in Fedora Core 6, let alone apt-get in Debian. At times, too, updates blanked the list of packages, requiring it to be uploaded. For all RPMDrake's user-friendly interface, urpmi, Mandriva's command line tool, seems generally a more reliable means of package management.

Security

Since the earliest versions of Mandrake, Mandriva has offered five levels of security during installation. In Mandriva 2007, they are named Poor, Standard, High, Higher, and Paranoid, without any indication of what configuration choices each represents. Since Standard is described as the minimal setting for a machine with an Internet connection and Higher as the basic setting for a server, users are given some guidance, but reliable security can hardly be based on such a lack of detail. Although the default level of High sounds reliable, during the installation, users have to take its suitability on trust, but the fact that High includes automatic login to the user account created during installation is enough to make anyone with even a smattering of security knowledge withhold that trust. For that matter, experienced users may also wonder why the lowest level, which is described as suitable only for an unconnected machine, should even be offered, or why the highest level has a name that discourages anyone from using it.

Running the first time
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Even with this inadequate system, Mandriva 2007 represents an improvement in desktop security for the simple reason that DrakSec, a security tool that has long existed beyond the menu or even release notes, has finally been added to the Control Center, where users can easily find it. This simple addition is long overdue, because DrakSec, with more than 50 options divided into four tabs, is little short of comprehensive. Unfortunately, it is handicapped by its adherence to the rating system, since users have no way of knowing what the default for an option happens to be for a particular security level, but, except for a few options where definite knowledge rather the choice from a drop-down list is required, you can at least use DrakSec to turn a setting on or off. If DrakSec would only include explanations of what files were being altered, then even the most security-aware of users would have little left to ask for.

To DrakSec, the Security tab of the Control Center adds tools to set the permissions on system files and to configure the firewall. Anti-virus software from ClamAv and Kaspersky Labs rounds off Mandriva 2007's security tools.

Problems, but back in the race

In addition to the weaknesses in its package management and approach to security, Mandriva 2007 also shows some signs of instability. Some of these are acknowledged in the release notes and already have upgrades that correct them, but others are harder to pin down. At different times during testing, I found that the ALSA sound drivers failed to load, that logging out crashed the X Window System, and that the desktop failed to open while I was logging in. Since these problems were not consistent, I was unable to pinpoint them, but their very randomness suggests the need for more testing, especially when they are accompanied by some minor lapses in grammar in the window dialogs such as "The change is done, but to be effective you must log out." Another two or three weeks in the QA lab might have lifted this version from the merely promising to first-rate.

Still, a point release or two should take care of these problems. In recent years, Mandriva's software has been overshadowed by the company's business news, such as its near bankruptcy, its acquisition of Conectiva and Lycoris, and the departure of founder Gaël Duval from the company. With its latest version, Mandriva returns attention to its software development and re-establishes itself as a leading desktop distribution that can give Ubuntu serious competition.

Bruce Byfield is a course designer and instructor, and a computer journalist who writes regularly for NewsForge, Linux.com and IT Manager's Journal.

Bruce Byfield is a computer journalist who writes regularly for Linux.com.

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It's over for Mandriva

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 01:37 AM
Novell, Redhat, Ubuntu and now Oracle will pretty much sow up the commercial linux market.

Mandriva, Linspire, Xandros are destined for the graveyard.

OpenSuse and Ubuntu and Fedora rule the free Linux market.

But here's some advice to Mandriva, there are other Open Source operating systems you can make a killing at: FreeBSD and Open Solaris - they would highly benefit from your installation and package management experience.

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Re:It's over for Mandriva

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 06:46 AM
yer crazy..Mandriva is overall the best distro out there, and this is why: URPMI . Fedora may be slightly slicker and better organized, but their updates are very slow. Suse is behind Mandriva and fedora, and Ubuntu is just silly. Mandriva rules!

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Re:It's over for Mandriva

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 10:30 PM
Please explain how SUSE is behind fedora or Ubuntu?

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Re:It's over for Mandriva

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 05:00 AM
Well because they had glx and xen before fedora<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) I am not sure with Ubuntu.

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Re:It's over for Mandriva

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 07:33 AM
Suse is behind Mandriva and Fedora in terms of general speed and slickness of UI components. Theri update mechanism especially lags behind Mandriva and Fedora. Ubuntu is in last place because its based on debian, which may have been 'da bomb' five years ago but isnt anymore.

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A great distribution less ATI Radeon support

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 01:29 AM
2007 is a very nice update to the mandriva distribution with the inclusion of X v7.1 though I am now on my third or fourth install of it in my normal process of learning and reinstalling until I get everything just right.

After two weeks of running it as my primary workstation OS my only issue remains ATI tuner support. I've scavenged the forums and google results reading about ATI proprietary drivers, Gatos, ATI.2, km. Each post claims the easy five steps to config and yet seems to leave out some mystic and arcane half step someplace. Each time I go through the steps AVview installs, X 7.1 proclaims to have ATI.2 in the kernel and AVview either crashes when opened or displays nothing seeming to indicate no link to the hardware.

I've tried the ATI proprietary and in a word; Slow. It makes me happy to learn that ATI handed over spec data to the Gatos project. It would be even better to find out they donated some ATI developer time to putting the extra functions in the Gatos driver or cleaning the proprietary binary so it doesn't feel like your watching the screen through a fishbowl.

This is not a help forum hijacking, just one users years old unresolved symptom of a bigger Linux issue. The last time my All In Wonder's tuner chip worked in linux was Mandrake 9 before Gatos merged into the X project.

I'd be obliged if anyone had recommended sites or could suggest what the preferred tv tuner for linux is these days? I've been an ATI faithful since my first self built but I'm starting to foresee my next build being an nVidia with a Hauppauge tv tuner separate. But is Hauppauge what everyone is using these days? Based on the democracy of active projects; it's not ATI.

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For ATI Radeon support,....

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 10:44 AM
You can obtain ATI Radeon support by following the instructions in this howto:

HOWTO "3D Acceleration for ATI cards (works for SuSE, Mandriva and Debian)" at

<a href="http://linux.coconia.net/" title="coconia.net">http://linux.coconia.net/</a coconia.net>
<a href="http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/" title="domaindlx.com">http://m.domaindlx.com/LinuxHelp/</a domaindlx.com> (mirror)

There are also HOWTOs on:

1) cloning your windows XP/2000 installations using Linux (back-ups).
2) installing windows XP/2000 on a spare partition with Linux.
3) accessing and writing to Windows XP (formatted with the NTFS) from Linux.
4) some discussion on the GPL and non-free third party kernel modules.
5) remix those 14 Debian installation CDs as 2 DVDs.
6) compile the worlds best DVD/Movie/Video/MP3 Player and Encoder (MPlayer and MEncoder).
7) the entire book "Linux Device Drivers 3" in HTML format.

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Re:For ATI Radeon support,....

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 10:27 PM
Much abliged. I've not yet stumbled across these ATI howto's yet in my searching.

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Google deliberately censors linux.coconia.net,...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 06:58 AM
Many/most searches for quotes from linux.coconia.net, will turn up pages that link to linux.coconia.net, but NOT the linux.coconia.net page itself.

That is partly why the site is hard to find.

Try it and see.

Google used to be a very good search engine, but because of censorship is becoming just like the evening news.

And,... you are welcome.

I am glad the ATI article was of use to you.

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MAYBE they're (Google &amp; Co) responsible for 9/

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 08:28 AM
"Google deliberately censors linux.coconia.net,...."

MAYBE they are the ones responsible for 9/11

and wish to censor all discussion of it.

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My opinion

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 11:05 AM
I haven't used Mandriva 2007, I just read the article, watches the pictured and the movie.

I liked the fact that you could in choose to enable hardware graphics accelerated X server in the configuration, without have to mess with any config files and stuff.

I think the installer could be better. It's not easy to know what the security selection mode is for and how it affects the system. The package selection was in the Installation step, it should have a separate step before the Installation step, and after the partioning step.

I think that it is horrible that it sends a list of installed packages when using Mandrake online services, my privacy is extremely important to me, don't mess with it!

Also, when you click the "Add user" button, the fields just blank, with no notification of that the user was actually added to the system, I think a confirmation would be good.

At the package selection screen, it could be better arranged, it listed desktop environments to the right under "Servers", which didn't seem so good. I don't know if you can only click those checkboxes, of if you can optionally select which packages to install more in-depth.

When select graphics card, it says "Choose X server", which could be more informative such as "Choose graphics card to use for the X server". Also auto-detection would be nice, if it don't already do that.

When you select screen resolution, it shows some entries just saying screen res, and others screen res and "Flatscreen" which is little confusing...

But all in all, the installation seems fairly good, it doesn't seem very complex, it seems like something most people could install.

The menu entries in KDE looked random sorted or something, maybe they could be alphabetically sorted?

And in KDE when you click the "Lock workstation" button, it would be aesthetically nice if it actually faded the screen like in Windows XP.

Maybe a blue theme would look more clean/professional than an orange theme? Though, I guess the orange one looked pretty okay...

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Re:My opinion

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 05:11 PM
For the security parameters, have a look at this article :
<a href="http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/KB/SecureSmsec?interfacelanguage=en" title="mandriva.com">http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/KB/Secure<nobr>S<wbr></nobr> msec?interfacelanguage=en</a mandriva.com>

It's hard to describe all these security parameters to newbies : you'd need to copy/paste this whole page to the installer.

By design, mdkonline can only work if your package list is sent over the web. But you're right : it is being redesigned.

Graphic card is already auto-detected.

Menu entries in KDE have a fixed order whatever language you choose, which is better than sorting it alphabetically. You get used to it rather easily.

Final note : the version tested here is "discovery" which is aimed at beginners (mostly coming from windows). That's why you don't expect to have a full description of security parameters and why the terminal is more or less hidden. The color theme is blue in all other editions, but all themes are installed by default : you can switch rather easily from orange to blue or dark blue.

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Don't Try To Upgrade Mandriva 2006 to 2007

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 06:08 PM
Stupid thing couldn't even recognize my standard Microsoft mouse and failed to detect the proper X Window settings, resulting in a failure to launch X on boot after install. Two hours of trying to fix the problem failed.

I concluded that the version I installed from the Linux Format DVD might have been a pre-release instead of the official release, so I spent five hours downloading the four CDs of Mandriva Free and did a clean install.

That worked more or less properly, except for a litany of stupid interface issues.

Popping in a video DVD causes Mandriva to pop up a horribly poorly designed tool to enable you to decide what to do with the media. Two hours spent trying to get it to run either KMPlayer or Totem resulted in utter failure. There appeared to be problems with whatever the utility was passing as the drive specifications to the player utilities, as neither of them could play the DVD, reporting unable to play disk on a device other than<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/dvd. Both players had little trouble playing the DVD from the menu. The utility is badly designed - nobody could have figured out how to to assign playback to a utility to a video DVD with that thing. It's on a par with the ridiculous menu editor Mandriva uses.

That was last night. I spent all of today struggling to get Java, jedit, Firefox 2.0 (WHY doesn't Mandriva keep up with the Firefox releases? WHY bother supplying version 1.5.0.7 - and in a nonstandard file layout - when 2.0 is here? I had no trouble installing 2.0 on Mandriva 2006), and trying to find out why the iptables firefall was listed as "stopped" in the services list when it apparently was functional. It's impossible to find any documentation on the interaction between the Shorewall and the Mandriva Interactive firewalls and iptables, other than the obvious that Shorewall is used to configure the rules for Netfilter. Finally, someone mentioned in a post somewhere that it was mentioned in a Mandriva Club post that iptables is normally show as stopped as it is only run once at startup.

I'm a huge advocate of Linux, but this experience made me seriously consider dumping Mandriva and moving to Novell SUSE (which has had universally good reviews compared to Mandriva 2007), and even considered changing my mind about whether Linux was ready for the desktop (in most respects it is).

I've concluded that Mandriva has a problem - the company is too small to do the testing necessary to produce a quality distribution now that Linux has become nearly as massive and complicated as Windows. I think in the future Red Hat and Novell (and perhaps now Oracle and conceivably Ubuntu) will be the only companies large enough to do the distro testing necessary to avoid stupid bugs amd crappy user interface issues.

In general in the IT industry, there are a LOT of designers and developers who shouldn't be allowed near a user interface project. They should be limited to coding the bowels of a kernel or something, but never anything that might be used directly by an end user.

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Re:Don't Try To Upgrade Mandriva 2006 to 2007

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 09:41 PM
+ DVD issue :
the popup is the standard KDE window, so do an upstream bug report at <a href="http://bugs.kde.org/" title="kde.org">http://bugs.kde.org/</a kde.org>
Now You need to install the needed librairies to read encrypted DVD ( libdvdcss2 ). It's illegal to provide theses libs y default in some countries ( USA because of DMCA,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ) You can get the package by the plf project and media.
See <a href="http://easyurpmizarborg/" title="easyurpmizarborg">http://easyurpmizarborg/</a easyurpmizarborg> to see how to add them

+ Firefox 2.0 :
Do you remember the release date of Mandriva 2007 ? 10/29/2006 So Firefox 2 was out<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... way after the 2007 release. So unless Mandriva have a time control machine, they can't release FF2.
Now FF2 may eventually be release in updates minus all issues with extension compatibilities and application rebuild that rely on gecko librairy ( epiphany, galeon, mono-gecko, yelp )

+ Concerning iptables vs Shorewall, I can't really see how you can solve the issue<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
iptables service is installed for people who may want to do their rules themself ( they disable shorewall, they eneables iptables, and the do their rules in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/sysconfig/iptables ).

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Re:Don't Try To Upgrade Mandriva 2006 to 2007

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 06:17 AM
I had no trouble installing libdvdcss - worked fine. Has nothing to do with the problem of automatically running KMPlayer or Totem on insertion of a video DVD in the drive.

Moe importantly, the issue with the KDE window appears to involve the system setup of the device names, although I could be wrong about that. If true, that would imply a disconnect between Mandriva's standard device naming and the KDE libraries - an issue that should be addressed by both Mandriva and KDE.

Pointing fingers at the other guy's software is what Microsoft does. Linux doesn't have that excuse because it's ALL open source.

Firefox 2.0 is OUT NOW. I installed Mandriva from its current mirrors the other day. How much trouble is it to supply Firefox 2.0 directly from the mirrors? If it's too much trouble, then don't bother supplying an older version - force everybody to download from the Firefox site. It's that simple.

As for iptables, I KNOW what it's for. The issue is whether a system service is being announced properly and whether documentation as to the interaction of those services is available and comprehensible to the end user.

Shorewall uses iptables to configure Netfilter. This in itself is complicated, but understandable. Not clearly reporting the state of the firewall on a GUI level for an end user who may not be proficient in "service iptables status" CLI commands, or providing a means to monitor the firewall performance at the GUI level is inadequate system design.

Do YOU want to run a system where you aren't SURE the firewall is running properly?

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Re:Don't Try To Upgrade Mandriva 2006 to 2007

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 05:37 AM
As the other guy pointed out, the window you complain so much about is the standard one provided by either KDE or GNOME, depending on which you're running. It's not our code.

-Adam Williamson, Mandriva Club forum monkey

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Re:Don't Try To Upgrade Mandriva 2006 to 2007

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 06:05 AM
It doesn't matter if it's "your code" - it's on YOUR SYSTEM!

It's that simple.

You patch and change "their code" all the time - why else would Firefox 1.5.0.7 be distributed in a different file layout than the version downloaded from Firefox directly?

This ia an excuse, not an answer.

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Re(1):Don't Try To Upgrade Mandriva 2006 to 2007

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 66.109.194.2] on December 02, 2007 08:33 AM
I have to say something. It is your problem, and your system! You bought the hardware, you loaded the program, you did the walk through. But what you failed to understand was how to make it work for you. You are not working with knowledge blaming the programming! If you don't know how to use or configure it. Stop whining about it and learn! if you are approaching computing like a couch potato (E), then buy an Intel MACBOOK and plug into the moronic fad of the windows dual boot. When it brakes down, complain to AppleMicro......

The point is, you are boring the rest of the LIN world with your uneducated banter. Learn how it works, then come back. You sound like a 3 year old brat that is pissy about his legos getting stuck together after leaving them in the sun!

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MICROSOFT XP didn't recognize my Window settings !

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 07:46 PM
MICROSOFT XP doesn't recognize my Window settings !!!!!

What sort of piece of crap is MICROSOFT Windows.

After a lengthy install, Windows XP did not set my Window settings correctly.

It is AWFUL. It left me with a 640X480 resolution screen.

I have a ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] graphics card which can run much higher resolutions.

It looks like S**T. What can I do,... it is soooooooo bad,......

I'M GOING TO THROW THE PIECE OF CRAP, WINDOWS XP, AWAY.

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Re:MICROSOFT XP didn't recognize my Window setting

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 10:52 PM
This is perhaps not the place for an unrelated rant about winXP however, it sounds like your stuck on the winXP default vga video drivers.

You need to install the ATI proprietary drivers. Use your driver disk to instal drivers and MMC with DVD codec or download the latest Catalyst (drivers) and MMC from www.atitech.ca under Support. In the latter, you'll still need your Driver Disk to install the DVD codec but everythign else is available in the download.

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Re:MICROSOFT XP didn't recognize my Window setting

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 02:07 AM
:-)

Oddly enough you never get rants like this and the one above regarding Mandriva from people who have been installing the OS for years. I wonder why that is? It couldn't be because those people know what they are doing. Could it?

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Re:MICROSOFT XP didn't recognize my Window setting

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 06:28 AM
The Windows XP rant was obviously a comment on my Mandriva complaints.

For the record, I have used Linux for several years and installed and used Mandriva 2005 and Mandriva 2006 - and did an upgrade install from Mandriva 2005 TO Mandriva 2006 last year with no problems.

THAT is why I'm complaining about a failed install and bugs in Mandriva 2007.

Get a clue, Mandriva. You disappointed a loyal user. Pay attention.

Not to mention the fact that suggesting that only an expert end user should be using Linux is no way to gain Linux converts. Of course, there are plenty of Linux geeks who don't WANT converts, since they view themselves as a "technological elite" who are oh so superior to "lusers".

A simple F U should be the response to that argument. The argument is merely an excuse to overlook shoddy design and development practices on the part of software developers, whether working for Microsoft or the OSS community.

Granted, I've seen plenty of problems that put me off other distros as well - Red Hat, Linspire. That's why I'm considering SUSE since the latest version has plenty of positive reviews. The latest version of Mandriva has a number of critial reviews. That should have warned me.

My fault - I should never use<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 releases of ANY OS. I should have stayed with Mandriva 2006 for at least another three months and then gotten all the bug fix updates.

Won't happen again.

And for the record, I'm presently using Mandriva 2007 - without further incidents - so far.

By the way, Firefox 2.0 has broken my ability to download files from several sites I use regularly - such as RapidShare. Another release that wasn't adequately tested...

And another<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 release I never should have installed.

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Re:MICROSOFT XP didn't recognize my Window setting

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 04, 2006 09:57 AM
By the way, I also see that PCLinuxOS (which is a fork of Mandriva) apparently has Firefox 2.0 in its latest version...

And the reviews of PCLinuxOS seem to be universally positive. The lead developer, Texstar, appears to spend a lot of time fixing Mandriva's screwups and making sure everything in PCLinuxOS "just works". The attention to detail in the distro's Web site is impressive as well.

Although only a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.9 release level, PCLinuxOS appears to be a serious contender as an alternative to a straight Mandriva distro.

I'll be looking into PCLinuxOS further if any more Mandriva bugs crop up.

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Many M$, RIAA, MPAA, shills,...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 03, 2006 07:05 AM
The Windows XP rant was obviously a comment on my Mandriva complaints.

Of course it was.

Many M$, RIAA, MPAA, shills complain about Linux and have often never actually used Linux. The just repeat the lies their masters tell them to repeat.

Sometimes this is obvious, sometimes not.

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Review

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on November 02, 2006 11:08 PM
Perhaps one of the most comprehensive and helpful reviews that I have read.
Searching your name (in Linux.com) does not yet list this review.
Thanks
(more of the same,please)

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It

Posted by: Administrator on November 03, 2006 05:53 AM
looks so beautiful<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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