Bing is not Google, but it is a spin engine.
Posted by: Christian Einfeldt
on June 01 2009
Microsoft is at the beginning of a major product launch, called Bing, in an attempt to catch up to Google in search, following the collapse of Microsoft's take-over attempt of Yahoo. While Bing is a re-branding of Microsoft's clunky distant third place "Live Search" search service, Bing is also an attempt to add new features to search. Microsoft calls Bing a decision engine, in that it purports to offer more comparisons in its search results, rather than the simple blue links which have characterized search up to the recent arrival of Wolfram Alpha.
But rather than a search engine or even a "decision engine", Bing also appears to be a spin engine, in that it provides partisan answers to controversial topics, such as Steve Ballmer's propensity to throw chairs to blow off stress. At a friend's suggestion, I typed the following phrases (without quotes) into both Google.com and Bing.com. The results are very telling. Be sure to look at the phrase completion options that you are offered as you type.
"linux "
"antitrust microsoft"
"ballmer throws chair"
"bill gates steals"
The important thing here is not whether Bill Gates does, in fact, steal, and I am not here to make ad hominem attacks on the world's richest man. The point is how Microsoft deals with criticism. With spin. As opposed to Google, which just repeats much of the criticism of it.
For example, the first phrase, Linux, when typed into Bing, yielded phrase-completion suggestions linked to comparisons of Linux and Microsoft products. By contrast, the same phrase when typed into google leads to information that a GNU-Linux user would actually want, such as information on different Linux distros.
The second phrase produced no phrase-completion results at all in Bing. Google yielded the records in the actual case.
Same for the third phrase. Bing returned no suggestions at all for "Ballmer thr", whereas that same incomplete phrase yields "ballmer throw chair" and "Ballmer throwing chair" in Google.
As to the fourth phrase, Bing returned "bill gates steve jobs" and "bill gates steps down" for "bill gates ste". But add an "a" to the end of that search, "bill gates stea" and you get nothing under Bing.
In short, Microsoft is always partisan, whereas Google is more informative, Microsoft couldn't even do so much as suggest phrases that would lead the reader look at official court records regarding its anti-trust trials, or anything else that reflected negatively on it.
Contrast that with phrases that are negative for Google, such as "Google is evil." Typing "Google is e" yields no suggestions. But typing in "Google is" yield results which are both positive and negative for Google as a company:
"Google is your friend"
"Google is broken"
"Google is skynet"
"Google is making us stupid"
"Google is a number"
"Google is paying to work from home"
"Google is always right"
"Google is taking over the world"
"Google is watching you"
"Google is paying"
More to the point is the first phrase. Microsoft's first suggestions all are aimed at diverting attention away from one of its keenest competition, Free Open Source Software, a competitor which, every year in its official annual 10k SEC-mandated warning to investors, Microsoft lists as a threat to its profitability.
Compare that to Google's suggested results for its main global competitor, Baidu, a Chinese search engine which holds about 60% of search results in China to Google's approximate 32%. Google's suggested phrase-completions return first a Chinese character hyperlink to Baidu; second to an English-language hyperlink for Google's arch rival; and trailing below that are all viable suggestions for Baidu.com or Baidu MP3 or Baidu Video.
Clearly, it is more important for Microsoft to put its spin on your results, compared with Google, which is more concerned with giving you information that is probably useful to you, even if it is negative for Google.
Which raises a question: who at Microsoft is responsible for skewing results this way? Does Chairman Bill know about this? I'll bet he does. Same for Ballmer. These two men have reputations for cut-throat competition, and yielding no quarter to their competition. Which is the real lesson to be learned here. Google has thrived despite competition. Microsoft has succeeded only where it can choke out competition, as in leveraging its Microsoft Windows desktop monopoly. Where Microsoft has to compete, such as in search or in on-line video delivery or even in game consoles, it comes in second or even third.
Clearly, Bing is not Google, and is not going to overtake Google anytime use, nor offer information which, on the whole, is as useful to its users as Google search results.
By the way, the most concise summary of why Google is beating Microsoft can be seen by typing this phrase into your browser: Bingisnotgoogle.com. Google is always one step ahead of Redmond.

written by Tony Lawrence, June 02, 2009
written by Lepricon29, June 03, 2009
If you are going to do a fair evaluation then do it for both sides. Try searching "google gives government information". Bing will give you a hit about google censoring itself for China while google's first hit is google refuses demand for search information.
And actually if you want to accuse someone of spin I would use some of your examples against Google. I will give you the example of Bill Gates Stea***. When I put that into Bing I get Bill Gates Steak hits and when I put it into Google i get Bill Gates Steal as a recommendation. Now there are a bunch of hits for steak and K does come before L in the alphabet so really you could say that Google is taking an opportunity to take a swipe at Mr. Gates.
Of course asking for an impartial opinion from someone on Linux.com is about as likely as reading one on Microsoft.com. They are both about as honest as Dems and Reps. The truth is that (like the politicians) you are both the same you just wear different color ties.
written by Lepricon29, June 05, 2009
I will answer you requests. Yes I tried the first example. The exception is that I hit enter. Do you know what happens when you hit enter? Did you bother to check the results of your request? Probably not as I can tell that as soon as you thought that you had proven how evil Microsoft is you stopped and there for (in my opinion) failed to actually support your assumption.
The point is that when you hit enter and the search completes there isn't a mention of MS in the results and I checked the first 3 pages. In fact I would say that the 1st hit on Bing would be better than the 1st hit on Google, that being linux.org, now google had that second to be fair.
So then I searched the second phase about MS and antitrust and once again I hit enter. Bing did show news for their first hit (I was a little impressed because I didn't know Russia was doing an antitrust probe) and the results web hit wise weren't what I expected. First of all you said that google returned actual court information, however that's backwards. True the first hit for both was wikpedia, no brainer there. However the second for google was a nytimes story while bing was the doj website. If they are trying to spin then they aren't doing a very good job.
Bottom line is this, I don't care if you have an opinion - that's fine and dandy but when you give false information to support your opinion then that becomes a problem.
Now since you want to say that I have some financial reason for defending microsoft let me say that I don't. Don't own the stock, don't sell their products, and I am replying to this post on a MacBook Pro while VNCed into my Linux box (which I do admit does has a pair of MS vms running on it). If you want to go down that juvenile road how about I ask if you have any financial interesting in Google? or even Apple? Is there a reason that you don't want to give MS any credit?
This is one of the largest problems in the industry is that people just want to demonize MS, they cry about how they don't improve anything and when they finally do you don't give them any credit. I use 4 different operating system (which will expand to 5 once Asus releases their Android based laptop), 4 different browsers, and 2 different smart phones. I use whatever gives me the best results for what I am looking for. If you thing that Google is the only search engine that can give you a decent result then stick with it. I use both to see if the other missed something.
Having an opinion is fine, just make sure it's an INFORMED opinion. You have the ability to reach a ton of people and as such you have a responsibility (well in my opinion) to make sure that you are as accurate as possible. One final suggestion - easy off the coffee!! you seem to be putting a tone in my comments that isn't there. I don't have anything against Google, use a G1, google is my home page, etc. Now I do think that people should realize that it is just as controlling as MS is certain regards. Never the less if you can't take any challenging comments and you have to resort to trying to attack someone personally (I noticed there wasn't a response to the challenge I put for #3) then it might be time to loose the comment field.
written by Tony Lawrence, June 06, 2009
I would NEVER trust Bing to give me honest answers because of Microsoft's past history, I think you'd be a damn fool to do so,.
written by lepricon, June 08, 2009
How about instead of worrying who I am and what I do you actually address the issues that I present about your "article"?
I love the quote "Holding oneself accountable for one's opinions elevates the discussion. I would encourage you to do the same." - my counter would be practice what you preach. You made an original posting to which I pointed out several errors or at the very least several biases instead of addressing them you have continued to complain about who I am.
Someone who is secure in their position should be able to support it no matter who questions it. I guess you aren't that secure in your opinion.


