Hp has made some bad laptops and has been the most dishonest about it. Because hp has had so many consumer complaints and law suits, they decided to get out of the personal computer market. There is talk that they might have changed their mind on that.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com

Because Ipads are proprietary and more expensive.

Also as to the original question of looking for a laptop without any software installed,,,, With what little software is actually put on computers anymore, and with the advertisements that software companies pay them to put on the laptops, you are only looking at about $50.00 in cost of laptop going to software, if that much. So finding a laptop without any software installed to try to save money, is not going to save you much money. And if you do save any money the savings will be less than the cost of the software.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com

The perfect language is Assembly Language. :-) :-)
but it's not portable.

The language you want to learn is C.

After that you can learn some of the other languages.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com

Are there any plans to ad some functions to this forum, like click to read first unread post in thread?

As this forum is now, it's quite flat.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com

Rule #1 Don't buy a laptop made by hp.

Rule #2 Don't buy a laptop made by hp.

Rule #3 Don't buy a laptop made by hp.

I'd also be a bit hesitant in getting a laptop with Nvidia. Nvidia in the past has produced some really great graphics chips that work better with linux than other GPU manufactures, but the recent fiasco and dishonesty from Nvidia. Leaves me looking at other GPU manufactures.

I'll be glad when the day comes when we can build our own laptops. I build and rebuild my own desktops, and would never buy a desktop because it's so much better to build them than to buy them. Laptops are still quite proprietary. Laptops are being designed for people that don't know anything about computers, so when those of us that are well familiar with computers looks for a laptop, they are all disappointing, as they are not designed with good standards.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com

Are you familiar with Tomato and DD-WRT?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com