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KopenSUSE? :/

Link to this post 21 May 09

I'm not a Linux Guru, let's just make that clear right now :) But I'm trying to learn as much as I can.

So there is KDE and GNOME, the two "major" desktop environments.

Other distros like Fedora and OpenSUSE don't change their names when difirentiating between GNOME Fedora and KDE Fedora (I think at at least, correct me if I'm wrong).

But the Ubuntu guys have Kubuntu!?! Which is Ubuntu but with KDE?? But it's the same distro??

This is so confusing. Maybe someone can explain it to me... Maybe it has to do with the Ubuntu's "theology".

But if they can do it, I want to coin the term Kopen SUSE :P

Link to this post 22 May 09

Kubuntu is just Ubuntu but with KDE as default desktop with custum thems for Kubuntu.
You can install Ubuntu with Gnome and switch to KDE without any problem. The apt repositories are the same.

Link to this post 22 May 09

You are asking why some applications are not changing their names even their are default running in KDE and gnome likewise ubuntu they change their name in the sense that the user can easily identify what is the main features of an Ubuntu Distro.

Kubuntu = Kde
Ubuntu = Gnome
Edubuntu = for Education, for teachers and pre-schoolers
Xubuntu = Xfce Desktop Environment

Ubuntu for humanity, For me it means, one shot understandable Linux System

Link to this post 23 May 09

I get the Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Edubuntu differences. Cute, i guess.
I would think, however, Linux having sooooo many different distros and flavors, that the Ubuntu community would want to rally under one "brand".

By having a seperate logo and name for KDE Ubuntu, they are breaking the brand down again, instead of consolidating it into one "name".

In my opinion they would do better just calling it all Ubuntu, and then on the LiveCD have the different options, KDE, GNOME, Education version, etc. Oh, then you have Ubuntu "Mint", Ubuntu Studio, etc...

It's kind of a headache. It's already hard enough for Linux switchers to decide which distro to choose without Ubuntu throwing another 8 variations at you with different websites and names. :S

Linux users unite! The only barriers holding us back are our own differences! :side:

Link to this post 23 May 09

To my understanding, Kubuntu, et al, are official derivatives of Ubuntu, ie, they are allowed to use the Ubuntu name and branding, but are separate distributions. Although, presumably, many of the same developers work on them as on Ubuntu, though I don't know. Admittedly, it's a bit of a subtle distinction. But, for example, when Shuttleworth at Canonical talks of making Ubuntu matching or exceeding Apple for usability, he is referring pretty much only to Ubuntu, with GNOME. Another example of this process is the potentially upcoming Lubuntu, with the LXDE desktop. The project is currently working to get official collaboration with Canonical. http://blog.lxde.org/?p=208

Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, but much further removed than Kubuntu, or Xubuntu. It is not an official derivative, as it were, but a very separate distribution, and would not even be allowed to use the Ubuntu name. They have their own tools, many of their own packages, etc.

Because of the freedom inherent in linux, there will always be a hundred and one different projects springing up and dying out at any given time, and there will probably never be this united front where someone can say, "Here is the linux operating system." (And I would personally argue there shouldn't be.) Better perhaps to view each distro as an individual linux-based system, and judge them accordingly, rather than this amorphous thing called GNU/Linux. Which seems to be where Ubuntu is going, anyway, where they are building a very strong brand identity, to the point where I have heard it said, "Should I install linux or ubuntu?"

Link to this post 23 May 09

Interesting! People really say "should I install linux or ubuntu?"?

You did a great job puting that in perspective and explaining it to me. I also agree with you in that there shouldn't be one centralized Linux that everyone has to use.

However, I think that for Linux to really move into the "Consumer Market"... as in stupid high school girls, grandparents, mothers, etc, it needs to be straightforward, simple, and aesthetically pleasing.

WINDOWS VISTA - ULTIMATE, BASIC, MEDIA EDITION, etc.

MAC - OSX ... ... ... ... ... uh...

LINUX - SUSE, UBUNTU, FEDORA, MANDRIVA, DEBIAN, etc.

Packadged, labeled, explained, differentiated, downloadable and comparable from 1 central location. I think when that happens Linux as a brand will really get its wings and people will stop being scared of the complexity of the web of distros, packages, desktop environments, so on and so fourth.

Imagine walking into a store, Best Buy for example, and having a huge Linux section. On the shelves there they are, the major Linux distributions with guidebooks and stuffed animals and stickers :P Computers under each section loaded and Linux Guru's standing by to answer questions. :D

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