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Infinium Labs 'initiates legal action' against game news site

By Robin ' Roblimo' Miller on February 20, 2004 (8:00:00 AM)

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If you haven't heard of -- or have forgotten about -- Infinium Labs and their Phantom game system, don't feel bad. I wrote one story about them a number of months back. Hardware/gaming news site HardOCP wrote a much nastier one, and Slashdot linked to both stories. Since then I've paid almost no attention to this company. Then, yesterday, a PR person representing them invited me to attend a phone-in press conference during which Infinium Labs COO Kevin Bachus was going to say they had "initiated legal action" against a news Web site that had written nasty things about their company. The PR guy wouldn't tell me the name of the site, but I had a good idea which one it was.
Sure enough, we were talking about HardOCP. The "legal action" turned out to be a lawyer-written threat letter, not a lawsuit, and the letter was dated February 19, 2004, even though the story that angered Infinium Labs ran back on September 17, 2003.

The letter, from the international law firm Morrison & Foerster LLP, said (in part):
We hereby demand that you immediately remove the Article and Infinium's proprietary images and marks from your website and the Internet, print a retraction of the Article, and cease and desist from disparaging Infinium Labs and its principals in any way, including, but not limited to, making distorted and misleading statements about them or repeating distorted and misleading statements made by others. Your activities may provide sufficient grounds for Infinium and Mr. Roberts to assert a number of business tort and other claims against you, including, without limitations, trade disparagement and trade libel, trademark infringement, tortious interference, and unfair business practices. Furthermore, your statements and use of Infinium's proprietary images were obviously published with the intent to tarnish Infinium's image and dilute the value of its name. Such conduct is actionable under federal law, Section 43(c) of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. | 1125(c), and various state laws.

After you have taken down the Article and printed a retraction, Infinium would once again welcome an opportunity to participate in a call or in-person meeting with you to provide you and your writers with accurate and complete information about the company, its products and its management. We encourage you to pursue the truth, but in the alternative, Infinium is preparing to commence formal legal action against you within ten days of this letter to halt your continued publication of false and misleading information that is causing ongoing financial harm to Infinium.
I believe Infinium Labs is a wonderful company

Since I certainly wouldn't want to get a letter like that, let's state for the record that I think Infinium Labs is great, and that when its CEO, Tim Roberts, told me in person he had $25 million in venture capital behind him, and it later turned out he didn't, I must have misunderstood him.

I would also like to state for the record that at a later date, when Mr. Roberts and one of his associates told me -- again in person -- that they had signed up 12 game publishers for their Phantom.net service, and gradually backed down under further questioning until they only claimed a deal with one, I must have had wax in my ears or something. Mr. Roberts is a fine gentleman who owns a lovely home in the exclusive community of Longboat Key that is currently valued at $1,250,100 by the Sarasota County Property Appraiser. When a reporter hears a statement from a person of this caliber, and that person later corrects the reporter, it is obvious that the reporter is in error.

Unfortunately, HardOCP's owner and operator, Kyle Bennett, is a hardhead who does not agree with this point of view. Indeed, he sent me (and others) this statement about the legal threat(s) from Infinium Labs:
I have extended HardOCP.com’s pledge to correct any and all possible inconsistencies or errors in our editorial entitled "Behind the Infinium Phantom Console" (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTEy) personally to Timothy Roberts and Kevin Bachus of Infinium Labs and they have yet to inform HardOCP.com of any information we presented as being not correct. This courtesy was extended on September 17, 2003, the date the article was published and has been extended several times since then with no reply ever being received by HardOCP.com. It is my opinion that Infinium Labs’ only interest is stifling HardOCP.com and our opinions. HardOCP.com still stands by our thoughts and opinions put forth in our editorial and no amount of legal badgering and frivolous lawsuits will change those opinions that we have shared with our readers.
More than once during the phone-in press conference, Kevin Bachus called Bennett an "amateur." The above statement proves that Bachus knows what he is talking about. Aside from the obvious fact that no mere owner of a small-time Web site -- even one who owns a pricey Hummer, as Kyle does -- should ever question the word of a man who lives in a $1,250,100 house, Bennett received not only the lawyer-letter quoted above, but another, similar one from a firm called Icard, Merrill, Cullis, Timm, Furen & Ginsburg, P.A. that is apparently representing Tim Roberts personally. No professional journalist would ever say anything negative -- even if it were true -- about a company and man represented by not one but two law firms, one of which has six names on its letterhead.

Being thoroughly cowed by this array of legal might, I will not now mention that a threatening letter from an attorney (or two or six or eight) is not exactly the same as "taking legal action" against someone, which is what the press conference was supposed to be about. Or perhaps I heard that phrase wrong, not only when Infinium's PR rep called to invite me to the press conference, but again when I called him after it was over to confirm those words.

One seasoned computer game industry observer who is privy to the Infinium vs. HardOCP situation told me he thought Infinium had "stopped behaving this way" since the company brought Bachus on board. After all, Bachus is a seasoned pro who was once Microsoft's product manager for DirectX, and is one of the foursome that talked Microsoft into launching the XBox. And in an interview with gamesindustry.biz published January 29, 2004, he said, "I plan to be working in this industry, hopefully at Infinium but if not then somewhere else, for a long time, and ultimately all I have is my credibility."

Infinium Labs has long had a credibility problem with the computer game press. Many reporters who cover the IT and computer gaming industry long ago stopped believing Infinium's claims that they would have this product or that service ready to launch by (fill in date here) because, time after time, heralded launch dates came and went (and receded into the distance) with no launch. Not even their heavily-publicized beta test took place as promised.

- Infinium's Phantom made #3 (scroll down) on the Wired News Vaporware Awards list for 2003.

- Back in August, 2003, a BroadbandReports.com article expressed doubts about the Phantom's viability.

- On January 21, 2004, The Sarasota Herald-Tribune ran a story questioning some of Infinium's financial practices.

- In October, 2003, an Infinium presentation underwhelmed members of the Orlando chapter of the International Game Developers Association

- In January, 2004, GameSpot noted that Infinium's Web site boasted of hookups with over 60 game publishers -- but removed the boast only a few hours later.

This is only a partial list of negative press notices Infinium has gotten. A complete list would take many hours to type. Obviously, HardOCP is not the only media outlet that has noticed differences between Infinium's claims and what actually seems to be happening with the company. HardOCP's only distinction is that its story talked not only about Infinium but also about Tim Roberts' personal background, which apparently angered Roberts to the point where he felt he had to react no matter what consequences his actions might have for his company.

I had a phone conversation with Tim Roberts not long after the HardOCP story ran, during which he threatened to sue Kyle Bennett over it -- and to sue Slashdot for linking to it -- and I advised him, as a friend and fellow Suncoast resident, that this kind of suit would be foolish; that the only kind of attention it would get him would be negative; that even small, amateurish news Web sites often get legal support from large journalists' organizations that have skilled First Amendment lawyers on staff, not to mention members in all branches of the media who tend to jump on that kind of story hard and fast, and are almost never on the side of the party that sues the journalist.

During that phone conversation, and again during a later meeting at Infinium's offices -- they finally rented space in a downtown Sarasota highrise, a good while after they started claiming they had a downtown office -- Roberts blamed HardOCP for killing a $25 million investment in his company. This was, it turned out, the same $25 million he had previously told me he already had in hand.

Of course, I may have misunderstood all that. Maybe there was $25 million somewhere. Or maybe there wasn't and I just thought there was. Yeah. That's it. I misunderstood. And all those notes I took, for the story I never wrote, are probably wrong.

I didn't write that story because other, more important matters upstaged it. I wrote this one, today, only because the PR person's talk of "legal action" intrigued me, and because I wondered whether Slashdot -- hence OSDN (which also owns NewsForge) -- would be included in it. But in the end the so-called "legal action" turned out to be nothing but vaporware; lawyers fire off nasty letters on behalf of clients all the time, and no journalist worth his or her salt hasn't been threatened with a lawsuit at least once or twice.

I'm not sure I'll write about Infinium Labs again. I simply don't care enough about this company or its people to want to do the amount of investigative work it would take to check and double-check all statements they make, and I feel this is what I would have to do in order to cover their activities properly.

Think: If I fail to verify every single statement made by Infinium personnel, I might accidentally write something that would "tarnish Infinium's image and dilute the value of its name," and that would be simply awful, wouldn't it?

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Thank you, Mr. Miller

Posted by: madchris on February 20, 2004 10:27 PM
You have 'made my morning'! One of the MANY tiresome events in our world of late is the proliferation of silly litigious activities. Very often, those waxing litigious are simply tiresome and silly _little_ people with little of use to offer the world in the first place. Any relief, including well-done articles such as this one, from the mind-bending stupidity of silly ones is most greatly appreciated.

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Re:Thank you, Mr. Miller

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 02:08 AM
This is just more evidence for why anyone seeking to initiate a lawsuit should have to put up collateral against losing -- at least enough money to cover both sides' costs -- before going anywhere near a courtroom. If you win, the judge can order that you get it back; if you lose, the other side gets whatever is left after the court costs have been covered. If the matter is settled out of court, the money would be forfeit.


If you really cannot afford to bring a case, but it's water-tight, your solicitor should easily be able to talk someone into lending you the money. But nobody will lend money to pay for a case that has no chance of winning. This way, it will be simply too expensive to bring frivolous cases, and there will be a disincentive against settling out-of-court.

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Re:Thank you, Mr. Miller

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 02:51 AM
In some jurisdictions, courts can do exactly that: order the plaintiff in a defamation suit to post a payment into court as security against the defendant's costs should the plaintiff lose the action.

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Send money

Posted by: SarsSmarz on February 20, 2004 11:32 PM
I knew it! SCO has opened up a shkool of lawyerizing on the abandoned part of the volcanic island of Monserrat.

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oxygen of publicity

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 12:12 AM
Was it Oscar Wilde who said "the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about"? Surely if they don't like your stories, the simple answer would be not to write about them at all. Or would they threaten to sue you over that too?

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Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 12:21 AM
Did anyone else follow the link to the appraisal of his house....did anyone else notice that he apparently paid a whopping $100 dollars for it. I would almost wonder if he really lives in the house or if someone just let him "buy" the house so that he could say he owns a 1.25 million dollar house. I mean the guy he bought it from paid like 1.6 million for it about two and a half years ago. Who would take a loss like that?

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 12:51 AM
I'm guessing the house was repoed before Mr. Roberts bought it, and he acquired it in an asset auction. That or the $100 was the minimum required for a title transfer of such a property in that location, and the house was a gift.

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:15 AM
in some states (including the one I live in) there's a nominal transaction fee (eg: $100) and the real price ($1.2M) that aren't on the same document.

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:28 AM
Not in this case. This was a quit claim deed transaction with Roberts as the seller. The previous transaction was a sale by Fred NIEDRICH for $1.5M+. The question is, who did Roberts QD the home to?

What is a quit claim deed?
All real estate transactions must be in writing. A quit claim deed is one way to transfer real property such as a house, land, or certain mobile homes. The person who transfers the property by selling it or making a gift of it is called the 'Grantor'. The person the property is transferred to is called the 'Grantee'. One of the most important differences between a quit claim deed and other types of deeds is that the Grantor makes no guarantee or promises that the property is free of debt. Another difference is that the Grantor makes no promises that no one else claims to own the property. The quit claim deed says, in effect, that the Grantor is signing over whatever ownership interest he or she may have in the property. It does not even guarantee that the Grantor has any ownership interest at all. Before transferring any property, it is best to consult with a lawyer to find out all the possible consequences of the transfer in your specific circumstances. Some lawyers will provide services free of charge or for a reduced fee for low-income people. Contact your local bar association for more information.

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: ZENMAN on February 21, 2004 03:28 AM
I hate to shatter everyones NEGETIVE dreams
but it's not a $1.5 mill house it's a $3.5 mill
house. yes, I have been in it.
AS FAR AS THE $100 IT WAS JUST A DEED CHANGE.
GET A LIFE!!

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 03:57 AM
"just a deed change"

So, I'll give you $100 for the deed to all your real property... It's just a deed change right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: ZENMAN on February 21, 2004 04:24 AM
One name was droped off the deed.
He's owned the house for many years.
Get off the man!

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 03:57 AM
wow, 3.5 million, Im impressed, he must be telling the truth...

jesus, get off this lame con-artists dick already...everyone knows Infinium labs is a bullshit company, they have never produced a single piece of hardware ever. EVER. They are as bad as Bitboys and thier vaporware products we have been hearing about since before 3dfx went out of business.

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: ZENMAN on February 21, 2004 04:40 AM
He has the money,the vision and now the support staff. and now the product is due. I think we're all in for a big surprise!

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 05:08 AM
I'd think it would be a surprise if he didn't run this company into the ground either.

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 06:09 AM
Well I suppose you should know, Kevin.

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Re:Tim Roberts' 1.25 million dollar house

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 11:28 AM
He had it appraised to dodge the liquid price of the house (Which is $3.2Mil) because of his recent divorce. He didnt want his wife to know the value and hide his assets so she would be screwed.

I'm sure he still laughs to this day about it.

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It's vaporware. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 12:44 AM
There's no doubt about it -- unlike the Indrema, which had working prototypes, all they have is spraypainted boxes with no guts inside.

Infinium Labs is one of those companies that wants to get venture capital so that the higher-ups can take the money, but never really intend to bring a product to market.

If they intended otherwise, they could power one up and give a demo. That's what Microsoft did with the Xbox, that's what Sony did with the PS2, heck, even Indrema showed a working box.

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Re:It's vaporware. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 12:59 AM
http://www.robrady.com/infl.html

look at that...Your ignorant...that looks like a prototype to me...do a search, dont just believe one side of a complex grudge match.

Im glad they are sueing looks like the media has been on witch hunt for some time now because of hardocps article.

With the sarcasm on this article looks like they are stepping over the line.

DO THESE small time journalists ever think before writing something or they just make emotional responses/personal attacks...just because a goof ball in Plano Texas that is friends with a web design company in Frisco TX neighboring city, that did IL's first website that had a beef with Tim and IL, which was seattle for big bucks. THey sicked hardocp on them, now its geting out of hand. Talk about a domino effect.

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Re:It's vaporware. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:21 AM
> Your ignorant...that looks like a prototype to me...

I believe you mean "You're ignorant...".

And that's not a prototype - that's a design.

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Re:It's vaporware. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:25 AM
That URL doesn't even show it being powered up, much less running anything. There are some components there, but I can put an entire PC with XP on it into a small box, and it would still be Intel's platform, not my own.

I like the way how "the media" is "on witch hunt", whilst at the same time "the media" are "small time journalists" -- either they're small time or they're a vast media conspiracy, you can't have both.

You might also want to look into purchasing a keyboard that has a working apostrophe key.

If you're that Ininium guy astroturfing, then it's just as well you have lawyers write your letters..

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Re:It's vaporware. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 02:29 AM
If you look closely at the photos of the partially assembled unit, you can see the ATX back connectors. You can clearly make out the LAN, USB, and Audio ports on the motherboard.

Since thats an ASUS box in the background, it's probably an ASUS motherboard. At least they use brand name components.

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Re:It's vaporware. Plain and simple.

Posted by: bex on February 23, 2004 01:30 AM
Looks can be deceptive. Most of the pictures look like either empty boxes, boxes with miscellanious hardware inside (no proof there), or computer generated images.
Just like you should never beleive everything you read you should never believe everything you see.

Oh, one last question to pose: if they have prototypes why arn't they demo'ing them and shutting the media up?

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Re:It's vaporware. Plain and simple.

Posted by: bex on February 23, 2004 01:32 AM
whoops...reply ment for "look at that...Your ignorant..." post in this thread. sorry.

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Infinium

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 12:49 AM
I'm sure that I am not the only one who thought the Infinium Phantom to be vaporware from the very first day it was announced (yes I followed it from then). The more that happens the more I laugh. This latest news great.

Infiniun Labs gets my vote for The Comedy Platinum Award for 2004!

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no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:09 AM
http://www.robrady.com/infl.html

look at that...Your ignorant...that looks like a prototype to me...do a search, dont just believe one side of a complex grudge match.

Im glad they are sueing looks like the media has been on witch hunt for some time now because of hardocps article.

With the sarcasm on this article looks like they are stepping over the line.

DO THESE small time journalists ever think before writing something or they just make emotional responses/personal attacks...just because a goof ball in Plano Texas that is friends with a web design company in Frisco TX neighboring city, that did IL's first website that had a beef with Tim and IL, which was seattle for big bucks. THey sicked hardocp on them, now its geting out of hand. Talk about a domino effect.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:18 AM
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=prototyp<nobr>e<wbr></nobr>

Prototype:

2. An original, full-scale, and usually working model of a new product or new version of an existing product.

- That's just the plastic case that everyone's been talking about above this. Nobody, as far as I'm aware, has had a chance to turn one of these one and actually see it play games on the screen. Showings of the Xbox and PS2 had functional units; the Infinium has yet to do even this. Between the revisions of their website, and a lot of 'professional' computing and gaming sites having questioned their credibility (Wired and Gamespy, to name two), I'm not so sure it's about 'amateur' journalism anymore.

If anything, it might be a return to the days of the dot-com boom, where one didn't have to have a product to make money - just an idea. We all know what happened to most of those companies, now don't we?

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 02:14 AM
Bwahahaha. Return? Infinium Labs has been around *since* *then*. The only thing you're seeing is a group of scam artists which knows how to keep their VC at a slow burn.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:22 AM
It may look like a prototype to you, Tim, but it looks like a few pretty pictures to me. A design is not a prototype. A picture of some computer guts is not a prototype.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:24 AM
> Your ignorant...that looks like a prototype to me...

I believe you mean "You're ignorant...".

Oh, and that's not a prototype - that's a design.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:29 AM
anyway...I have see it at CES alive and working.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:29 AM
Ok, stop picking on Tim or he will have the lawfirm of Icard, Merrill, Cullis, Timm, Fred, Barney, Ying, Yang, Furen & Ginsburg, P.A sending you a threatening letter.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:34 AM
You are now formally sued by the lawfirm of Tom, Dick, Harry, Larry, Curly, Moe, Abbot, & Costillo!

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 07:03 AM
Lmao. (I couldn't type it in all caps because the "lameness filter" on this forum wouldn't let me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;] It said, "PLEASE DON'T USE SO MANY CAPS. USING CAPS IS LIKE YELLING!")

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 03:09 PM
YOU HAVE BEEN SERVED by the lawfirm of Duey Suem and Howe

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 10:33 PM
FYI: It's "Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe". It comes from the 3 Stooges.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: llanitedave on February 24, 2004 06:01 AM
More recently representing "Car Talk"

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: TigerNut on February 21, 2004 01:36 AM
Notice that the hardware in the plastics is completely differently arranged than what the computer rendering has? The rendering looks basically like a PC case - vertically mounted peripheral cards, fan housings in front, etc. At best, it's in the 'proof of concept' stage, industrial design and plastics notwithstanding, and many concepts never make it out of this stage. It's hard to see how much of their hardware is actually theirs, and how much is COTS.


There was a company here in town called VisuaLabs. Their claim to fame was 3D display technology and seamless multipanel video displays. They went public, got a CEO with impressive credentials, built themselves a nice building... but no one (not even technicians employed by the company) was allowed to work on or see inside the prototype hardware, which was developed by the company founder (based on "secret military technology"). Finally the lack of any progress in product development, and a press conference where the "multipanel display" turned out to be a Sony TV with a piece of glass in front of it, caused everyone to call for a stop to the BS, and the company folded when everything the company had turned out to be a sham. Not to say that IL is anything like this, but some parts of their story have a familiar ring.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: ZENMAN on February 21, 2004 05:56 AM
It sounds like big tim fired some of you in the past,and now he has the the world by the balls and you got your pc!!
hahahahaha

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 10:29 AM
ROFL! At least our PCs exist.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:46 AM
*pats Tim on the hand* There there... We know you missed your daily dose of Thorazine. *Shoots him up with a nice, large, happy dose of Thorazine* Now, go play with your tinker toys.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 02:15 AM
is that actually english you're typing?

4 out of 7 (# 1,4,6,7) images are 3D CGI.
#2 proves only that someone knew how to rig a LED.
#3 proves only that their mockup fits a typical desktop rig (looks more like a Packard Bell to me).
and #5 is nothing but a mold rig.

Where is a working "prototype", shown playing games? If anyone had seen a working model (like you proclaim to further on @ CES), there would be reporters for rags like IGN lauding the next big thing, that will still never hit the market (DNF anyone?)

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 02:52 AM
Huahahahahahahahahha.

Timmy, sorry son, it's not real.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 03:38 AM
This is the only post or piece of information that has *ever* *supported* the Phantom. I believe that this person is an Infinium troll-monkey responsible for stading up for Infinium's rights in anonymous messagee boards across the net. I remember a quote from an Infinium rep being posted on Penny Arcade that pretty much said that gamers spend their money on anything that hits the market regardless of quality. That is garbage that they drive to shove this crap at us and expect us to love it.

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 04:04 AM
Someone already pointed out that most shots were 3D renders. And yes, I have done searches on this before, but as most others finally gave up after a generous while.

But while we're on topic of "do these small time journalists ever think before writing", have you ever thought before writing? It seems here your obvious lack of any *real* [ie. not CG renders or generic pictures of cumputer innards] evidence only backs this article's points up, and your equally lacking attempt at the english language has only served to discredit yourself.

Then again, if you're just doing this to get a rise and imitate the stupidity that is this situation, then I say to you: good job!

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Re:no prototypes...look here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 04:35 AM
Just to bring up a good point I saw in one of the other threads... If you look closely you can clearly see an Asus motherboard box in the background of one of the pictures. And on a personal opinion, if I had $25 mil in the bank to spend, and I was serious about being a big player in the console game, I think I would have a better manufacturing facility, even for a "prototype". Where they are putting that together kinda looks like my garage...

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Timmmmmmay!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 05:18 AM
Ahahahaha!

Oh ho ho...

Seriously, do you work for these guys or something?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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infinium labs website down

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 01:28 AM
Funny, even their own website isn't working (any more). Did it ever exist?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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Re:infinium labs website down

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 02:05 AM
Sure. The link is wrong. It's supposed to be <A HREF="http://www.infiniumlabs.net/" TITLE="infiniumlabs.net">www.infiniumlabs.net</a infiniumlabs.net> (not<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.COM).

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Hard to breath with all this vapor...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 02:42 AM
"But in the end the so-called "legal action" turned out to be nothing but vaporware; lawyers fire off nasty letters on behalf of clients all the time, and no journalist worth his or her salt hasn't been threatened with a lawsuit at least once or twice."

Wow, just beautiful.

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Re:Hard to breath with all this vapor...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 04:11 AM
This is a great article. IL is nothing but scumbags, hopefully roberts and his cohorts will end up piss poor by the end of this fiasco!

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Timmy and his squillions

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 06:28 AM
You reckon? I find that hard to believe, considering the amount they sound like they scummed off investors to their numerous dubious companies in the past.

Frankly, if they hadn't blown so much of it the way they appear to have done, it's quite probable they could have actually made the stupid thing (had that ever been the plan).

Well, afforded to, anyways...

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Infinium Labs

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 05:35 AM
I don't find it funny, people like Mr. Roberts are "Financial Terrorists" and should be dealt with accordingly.

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Re:Infinium Labs

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 05:54 AM
Bahahahaha, read this part:
Aside from the obvious fact that no mere owner of a small-time Web site -- even one who owns a pricey Hummer, as Kyle does -- should ever question the word of a man who lives in a $1,250,100 house

I'll question anyone I damn well please, what does money have to do with thier credibility?

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Robrady.com's "Prototype"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 06:57 AM
the link posted earlier.. to "http://www.robrady.com/infl.html" is quite interesting. That company, is *Not* infinium labs, RobRady is a Design and Prototype company, you present them with an idea and a concept, they do research, design, and modeling of it (they do a clay model). They'll even make you a prototype of your "design", from the picture of the IL product, its a mini-itx case inside a custom molded plastic (from the clay model) case. and sure, they're using standard PC components it looks like, whats most important is the programming and software to run that hardware. Sure an Xbox is a p3-700 standard PC, but the software and OS to make it play Xbox games is part of the high cost of development. So in my eyes, a prototype from a "Design and Prototyping" company, is no prototype at all, its a mock-up of what the design company thinks you want, one of a kind, probably non-functional model. IL has produced very little evidence that they even have engineers working on any part of this Phantom Console.. why would they *OUTSOURCE* the prototype eh? RobRady also prototypes Jetskis, USB flash drives, and floating tools, but what it mostly looks like is the external covers is what it designs.. not innards/guts/working parts... not saying they don't do what looks to be a nice job.. but that prototype doesn't look much it was produced from any work by IL... just a lot of dollars for a pretty model.

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"Great" minds think alike!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 07:13 AM
This reminds me of that incredibly brilliant dictator, Jean Bedel Bokassa. In 1977, he crowned himself Emperor Bokassa I of the Central African Empire. The ceremony (which cost about $200 million) bankrupted the country's economy. Still can't stop laughin' after I hear that story! XD

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Legal action against a publication

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 08:01 AM
I could be very wrong, since I'm just the armchair lawyer type (meaning I have no law degree)...

But to win a lawsuit against a publication, you have to prove either malice, or that they didn't excercise due diligence in fact finding.

Malice is nigh impossible to prove, but is the only shot you have, if the story that was run, is substantially correct. Due dilegence is easier, since if you can prove that there were error's that somehow damage you, and show that the story was poorly researched you have a case.

Given the extensive amount of time, since the original web editorial was published, and the present date... The Phantom people, would have to show thier attempts to correct any misinformation, to even have a shot of winning.

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Re:Legal action against a publication

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 09:27 AM
Here's what I see in this, this company is still stealing money from someone or they would not be trying to keep there image in the good. I think they need stopped right away or some good invester will loose more money!

This case almost sounds the same as the email scams going on from africa

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Re:Legal action against a publication

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 10:23 AM
Of course, they're not necessarily still
worrying about how they'll look just for their
current investors.

It's plausible they want to avoid giving
future investors the wrong (as in right) idea for
when they go to start whatever their next
venture will be.

That and they don't want to go to prison...

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Re:Legal action against a publication

Posted by: ravaeyn on February 21, 2004 09:30 AM
As soon as Slashdot jumps on you it becomes vogue to slam you. They don't have a chance. Penny-Arcade has a negatively slanted article too so pretty much their ENTIRE target market is stacked against them already.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) Looks like they are pullin an SCO.

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some things

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 03:15 PM
On their infinium lab's website, and I quote, says "Infinium Labs is an industry-leading global entertainment and interactive game company"

Indutry leading? You must have something to lead the industry with unless you call BS is something you can lead with.

Also, go to Morrison and Foerster's website (http://www.mofo.com/). What kind of idiotic lawyers would agree to have their initials MoFo spelled out in huge giant letters on the front page or have their address be mofo.com? Hell, who would agree to the initials MoFo in the first place? Do they even know what it stands for? These guys are laughable and are obviously trying to pull some legs. No top-notched lawyer would agree to such an insult.

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Re:some things

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 10:44 PM
It's easy to laugh about Morrison and Foerster being shortened to "Mofo", but they're no jokes. The official line is something like "We've always shortened our name to that, and people expect it." If nothing else, you won't forget the name or URL, will you?

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Re:some things

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 22, 2004 12:47 PM
Not saying this just because, but yes, i'd forget because after a while, such a name would get old and get pushed to the back of my brain. yeah, it'll stick a little while longer than normal, but the two will unlink quite quickly soon after.

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Re:some things

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 23, 2004 06:58 PM
I don't know how long Morrison & Foerster have used the nickname "MoFo" but most likely it's been since before "MoFo" meant anything other than "Morrison & Foerster". M&F are one of the most prominent, and older, business law firms in the U.S., having first done business under that name in 1892. I wouldn't say bad things about them just because they agreed to do some work for idiotic clients.

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Winners Vs. Losers

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 21, 2004 07:08 PM
It's simple:

Winners Innovate,
Losers Litigate.

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HAHAHA what a Brownnoser!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 23, 2004 02:28 PM
I can't believe the brown-nosing and fallacy of arguments in this article! She(he?) even makes Kyle look like the bad guy! Finally someone will stand up to litigation and badgering legal documents.

And what about, 'oh, this guy's (Infinium Labs' CEO) rich and has a big house and blah, blah, blah' - I don't care if what money he has or supposedly has. Lying sacks of shit can be rich or poor, this guy might even manipulated people to become rich.

Hey, Robin - get your head out of the CEO's ass and let someone with some fuckin guts take care of this scumbag!

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Re:HAHAHA what a Brownnoser!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 23, 2004 04:13 PM
mmm,

you did'nt get that this was irony on his part, have you??

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Re:HAHAHA what a Brownnoser!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 24, 2004 01:26 AM
Poorly written irony/sarcasm, I'd have to say.

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Re:HAHAHA what a Brownnoser!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 24, 2004 04:25 AM
Poorly written? Given that you're just about the only one who didn't get the joke, I'd say that the problem isn't with the article.

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Very very funny...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 24, 2004 12:13 AM
...made my afternoon!

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-0<nobr>2<wbr></nobr> -23

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Infinium Labs can drop dead

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 25, 2004 12:08 AM
After seeing these miserable jerks sueing some independent reporters like this, I wouldn't even piss on their crappy "Phantom" vaporware junk if they gave me a free one.

With this law suit, these low life losers at Infinium just bought themselves a big fat tombstone for their grave.

Like the world even needed another stupid clueless "game" hardware manufacturer...

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Re:Infinium Labs can drop dead

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on February 25, 2004 07:20 AM
I think this is a awesome idea and hopefully will make it and put some of you losers back to work...

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