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Zeta OS is rising from BeOS ashes

By Jorge G. Mare on March 22, 2005 (8:00:00 AM)

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Today, several years after BeOS developer Be Inc. went out of business, the small German company yellowTAB GmbH is getting ready to release Zeta 1.0, a successor to BeOS.

BeOS was a lighweight but full-fledged operating system designed from the ground up to be a desktop OS with strong multimedia capabilities. Its claim to fame was the real-time response of its graphical interface, even on low-powered hardware. Its minimalistic approach made it easy to use even for beginners. Its database-like BFS file system with indexed attributes made file searches a breeze. All of this in a system that could boot in 10 to 15 seconds on most hardware, and that was as stable as a rock.

Zeta inherits all of the above, and also takes advantage of the enhancements that Be Inc. had slated for the next version of BeOS, which was never released, including the kernel-land BONE networking environment and a better media kit (one of the several kits that comprise the object-oriented BeOS API). Here is a good selection of Zeta screenshots for those who have never seen it.

yellowTAB has just announced details of what is to be expected for Zeta 1.0. The list includes an updated kernel and virtual machine (VM) manager for speed increases of up to 40%, breaking the 1GB memory barrier, fixes to BFS, an NDIS wrapper that is expected to greatly improve wireless networking support, a CUPS port for much improved printer support, and a new non-destructive partition manager for easy installation of Zeta on machines that already have Windows or other OS installed. Zeta 1.0 will also come with numerous development tools, including Python 2.4 with a working Bethon (Python modules for Zeta), GNU bash 3.0, GNU coreutils (5.2.1), OpenSSH, and Bash autocomplete with Zeta-specific completion templates.

From the Zeta release candidates made available so far, it is clear that yellowTAB has improved support for modern hardware, and developed some new features that were not available in BeOS. Zeta has a new USB2 stack that adds support for mass storage devices and a SANE port for image scanning; the latest release candidate also adds support for hard drives larger than 128GB. Also on tap are a locale kit for multilingual support (most bundled apps are localized into many different languages), support for scalable vector graphics throughout the system, and a new media player with support for more audio and video formats than BeOS offered, plus better streaming capabilities.

yellowTAB bundles many applications with Zeta, including an office suite called Gobe Productive that includes word processing, spreadsheet, graphics, and presentation applications; the Firefox Web browser; an instant messaging client for AIM (clients for MSN, ICQ, Yahoo, and Jabber are available separately); a CD burner and DVD player; numerous games; a PDF viewer and writer (you can create PDF files from any Zeta application that can print); a scanning front end; several emulators (BeBochs, DosBox, BeUAE, and others); and development tools. Zeta also benefits from the fact that most of the third-party BeOS applications found on Bebits.com can run on it as-is.

Eugenia Loli-Queru, the former editor of the old BeOS news site BeNews.com (and current editor-in-chief of OSnews.com), says, "Zeta is in a very interesting position to actively develop a non-Unix/Linux operating system that's both more lightweight and multimedia-driven than any Linux distribution out there that opts for the desktop. If yellowTAB manages to develop truly powerful and stable versions of much-needed applications (for example, a powerful mail client, and a faster, stabler Firefox port), it has a good chance of grabbing a good portion of the geek alternative OS market."

According to comments attributed to its CEO, Bernd Korz, Zeta is slated for official release in the May to June time frame. Zeta is a commercial product, and although no pricing information for version 1.0 has been announced yet, it is expected that it will sell for approximately $100 plus tax.

yellowTAB has shown a lot of perseverance by coming this far. What once was thought to be a dead OS is now showing signs of life. Time will tell if yellowTAB can turn Zeta into a success story.

Jorge G. Mare (a.k.a. Koki) is a marketing consultant with a passion for computers. Born in Argentina, he is the founding member of the Japan BeOS Network, a BeOS/Zeta user group in Japan, his second home. Jorge currently operates Zeta Zone, a site for Japanese Zeta OS users.

Jorge G. Mare is a marketing consultant with a passion for computers. Born in Argentina, he was the founding member of the Japan BeOS Network, a BeOS user group in Japan, his second home. He is currently involved in the marketing and PR of the Haiku project.

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Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2005 11:37 PM
" it has a good chance of grabbing a good portion of the geek alternative OS market." Unfortunately, this is 3 people.

6 Billion people in the world.
200 Million geeks.
5 million who care about OS stuff.
10 thousand who care about alternative OS's (not mainstream like linux, windows, solaris, etc).
3 who will pay for a non-free alternative OS.

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Re:market

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2005 11:46 PM
Do you know the names of those three persons too...?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

But seriously, I agree that Zeta will have a hard time not only trying to make enough profit but also just to grab enough interested and loyal users. Open source OS (-> cheap enough for customers, friendly environment for developers) seems to be the only way to compete with the dominating operating systems (Windows, Mac OS and, at least in the previous decades, various flavors of Unix).

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Re:market

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 05:13 AM
In Germany, RTL sells Zeta in its homeshoping program.(RTL is the largest privat owned TV-Station in Germany )So not geeks are the the target market, but rather what in german is called Dau( dümmster anzunehmender User = silliest credible user). If someone speaks german, this is the website:
<a href="http://www.rtlshop.de/" title="rtlshop.de">http://www.rtlshop.de/</a rtlshop.de>

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I could be one of those three ... if

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 12:29 PM
If it has better video/media utilities(especialy video capture) than linux has, and they are integrated into the distro and they don't cost more than a windows operating system then I could be quite tempted to use a copy for one special purpose computer which I use for just those purposes.

There are 2 other factors to consider. 1) I wouldn't switch any of my other computers over to that operating system, so it would be stuck in a specialty roll. and 2) They had better get it out there before someone finally releases a deacent video capture program for linux that I can make work. This is definately a moving target.

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I wouldn't be so sure

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 24, 2005 01:07 AM
People paid for Amigas. The thing Zeta will need to do is find a particular niche that's not covered by anyone else...although admittedly that will be difficult.

If it runs multimedia software better than Linux though, and isn't as bloated as contemporary Windows, it probably has some chance of becoming a hit with the graphic design crowd.

Also, I might these days be willing to go out on a limb and call Linux mainstream...but Solaris?

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Re:I wouldn't be so sure

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 24, 2005 02:54 AM
I think you do not appreciate the significant (in alternative OS terms) user base which BeOS managed to build. There is a percentage of those who might be won over if YellowTab improves it's marketing approach and makes the effort to tap into that group. Currently much ex-BeOS support is directed towards other post-BeOS projects, such as Haiku/OpenBeos and PhosphurOS. But who knows what might happen. If BeOS had been allowed to mature instead of being killed in it's relative infancy, it could have developed into something quite excellent. The speed of the OS alone made it interesting. As far anti-bloat, you would be amazed how compact it could be!

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Re:market

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 05, 2005 11:57 PM
I don't understand why noone here speaks about useability. The system is just marvelous, sure you can emulate the GUI on Linux, but it could take a lot of effort so why bother.

About the three persons, I bet y'all *bought* windows didn't you? Sad people.

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Sweet!!!!

Posted by: suso_banderas on March 22, 2005 11:44 PM
As someone who used to use BeOS I can honestly say that this is really cool. For those of you that don't know, BeOS was a great alternative that really did live up to an exceed the expectations of those who tried it. You could run something like 6-8 full motion movies all at once without dropping a frame on a Pentium II. And the interprocess communication possibilities where quite impressive, like watching a ball bounce between two or three open windows.

Back when Linux was just starting to make its inroads into the desktop world, many considered BeOS to be the perfect Desktop OS compliment to using Linux for the server side.

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make that 2

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 01:25 AM
Make that 2 people.

I don't think I'll be buying it either

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Why?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 01:33 AM
I just don't get this.

It might make sense for an enthusiast to play around with BeOS, as a hobby.

But trying to make a commercial product out of it? What are these guys smoking?

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Re:Why?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 03, 2005 11:04 PM
Seeing as MS tried very hard to kill BeOS off, I think they may be able to make a run at it. Especially if they can find someone to ship it preinstalled on a box.That is what got BeOS on MS's radar in the first place,

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source code?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 01:50 AM
Any word on whether the kernel source code will be available, and under what license?

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Re:source code?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 03:26 AM
Why, do you code? I don't, so I don't care.

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Yep anonther person who is a fool.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 05:03 AM
Opensource Source code means that the OS will refuse to die and I do mean refuse.

As long as the OS/App has one developer left and it can live. Opensource means that it can be brought back from death. Company stop working on it so people using it can hire programmers of the own to keep it going.

So as long as the OS/App has good points it will live. A good example of refusing to die is Mozilla Firefox. Netscape die but the code lives on and has started the browser war all over again. Microsoft most likely says dam Netscape the gave the source code out now we have to fight the war all over again.(Yep Microsoft will have to improve IE to keep up with FireFox)

I cannot depend on something that may or may not be there in the furture. But I can depend on something that I can get built if I require ie Opensource because if development stops and I need it I can pay to have it go on.

Yep I don't code most of the time but I hire people to do it for me.

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Re:source code?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 06:17 AM
I do code. Now most likely I won't learn/wouldn't have learned it well enough to make any mods, but I do like browsing through source code bases to get a feel for its organization, what language it's written in (probably C, but there's likely to be some 386 assembler), whether references are made to past projects etc. In particular, does it look like it was written so it could be maintained by others, or is it a "Mythical Man Month" job? It's like leafing through a book at the bookstore.

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The Elephant in the Room

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 01:56 AM
The elephant in the room that the Zeta people don't tell you about is that Palm.Inc bought the Be operating system and has its source code.

Zeta is offering snake oil, because any improvements they make to the system are either add-on hacks or cosmetics. Beyond this,they have never explained how they plan to be able to distribute legally source code that doesn't belong to them.

Be was cool in its day, but the world has moved on. I know I have.

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Re:The Elephant in the Room

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 02:52 AM
OK. Stop the FUD spreading about Zeta!

yellowTAB has stated that they got a license from Be Inc for the BeOS before PalmSource bought the intellectual property rights for the BeOS.

Although yellowTAB has not disclosed what source code they have and/or are allowed to modify, they obviously have the source code and/or are getting updates from PalmSource because they have since made significant updates to the kernel and they have modified core libraries not to mention greatly enhanced the user interface. These improvements are not hacks!

BeOS/Zeta can be an ideal Desktop/Workstation for Linux servers. The BeOS API is much nicer to develop with than the various Linux/Unix APIs and the GUI is much nicer and more responsive than Windows.

I am looking forward to purchasing BeOS/Zeta 1.0.

Resistance is NOT futile!

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Re:The Elephant in the Room

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 03:16 AM
Two big points here:

- I don't think YellowTab ever said they got a license from Be, Inc.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I do remember reading that they got something from a European company through that company's rights to source if Be left the market (or something similar)


- There's no possibility they got any source code from PalmSource. Not no way, not no how.


Much of their progress can probably be attributed to Be engineering's foresight in making many aspects of the OS extensible through (essentially) plug-ins.

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Re:The Elephant in the Room

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 04:01 AM
Yes they did say that they got a license from Be Inc. They have since updated their website but here are links that essentially say the same things:

<a href="http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/show.php?id" title="yellowtab.com">http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/show.php?id</a yellowtab.com><nobr>=<wbr></nobr> 6
<a href="http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/show.php?id" title="yellowtab.com">http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/show.php?id</a yellowtab.com><nobr>=<wbr></nobr> 7
<a href="http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/show.php?id" title="yellowtab.com">http://www.yellowtab.com/support/faqs/show.php?id</a yellowtab.com><nobr>=<wbr></nobr> 5

All you wanted to know about Zeta:
<a href="http://www.yellowtab.com/news/article.php?id=121" title="yellowtab.com">http://www.yellowtab.com/news/article.php?id=121</a yellowtab.com>

I don't know how you can be so sure that they did not get the source from PalmSource unless you have insider information. One thing is certain, there is no way in hell to make all these changes with out the source code. Who ever made theses changes most certainly had the source code.

yellowTab has dozens of employees including about a dozen engineers. What do you suppose they are working on?

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Zeta is legit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 05:28 AM
Don't believe whatever the naysayers tell you. yT did get a distribution license to distribute ans sell BeOS 5. Of course yT has provided add-ons to make BeOS usable in today's environments. In the future Zeta will more than likely be based on the open-sourced BeOS distro called Haiku;

<a href="http://www.haiku-os.org/" title="haiku-os.org">http://www.haiku-os.org/</a haiku-os.org>

The kernel for Haiku will be NewOS developed by an ex-Be engineer. So the Palm issue is a non-issue!

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make that 1

Posted by: segphault on March 23, 2005 04:16 AM
Despite the fact that I love BeOS, i'm not willing to pay money for an operating system that I can't modify. If it was distributed for free, I'd use it without hesitation. At this point i'm more interested in the efforts of the HaikuOS team.

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Re:make that 2

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 10:02 AM
Exactly!

I never actually used BeOS, but it wasn't hard for me to fall in love with it once i tried one of the free distributions of it's last PE release - it was just plain fast and easy (no OS can really measure with it). As a former Mac OS user, i was pleased with the fact that BeOS was founded by a former Apple engineers who wanted to make a desktop OS right.

BeOS was actually from the very beginning kind of a Mac-like operating system for desktops, but truly surpassing everything that Mac as such could offer at those day (until Mac OS X).

Today, being a Free Software enthusiast and a linux lover, i wouldn't dare to use proprietary product ever again and thus i'm not even thinking of paying for Zeta.

However, Haiku OS has my attention and i can't wait for it's first release! I believe Haiku might just be one of the major desktop players in the future (when, hopefully, windows looses it's power and Free Softwars starts to rule the desktop, including linux and haiku os).

Thank you
Daniel

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What if somebody else paid?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 05:33 AM
This doesn't have anything to do with Zeta. But, as an end user I could definitely see an alternative to the current means of OS distribution.

I agree that it doesn't make much sense for an individual user to pay for an OS. But, what if somebody else picked up the tab or if the tab for the OS was rolled into the overall cost of telecommunications/internet services, etc.

If a big company owned an operating system outright and could promise users that they would NEVER EVER EVER need to install, tweak, or fuss with their OS in any manner, I think it might have a chance. Instead of giving away CDs, they could just give customers compatible computers and hardware for "free" and recoupe the cost via subscriber fees. Software and other content could be made available in some manner like Linspire's Click-n-Run warehouse. While the sponsoring company would have a captive audience, the user might just be happy to have a completely fuss-free experience.

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Re:What if somebody else paid?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 23, 2005 07:27 AM
Apple tries this, look at how much they advertise the $0 down, $x/wk. Personally I don't like it since I like to own everything I use, but if it rocks your boat...

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I love Be

Posted by: Joseph Cooper on March 23, 2005 10:22 AM
What is BeOS going to give me?

I'm not an operating system enthusiast anymore. I'm hardly a computer enthusiast. So from my perspective, all that matters is what the computer can do for me.

Linux gives me Gimp, Blender, Apache, Civilization and general internet. That's really all I do with my computer. Windows gives me that too.

BeOS is not... And I'm not even gonna pay 100$ for Windows, which can easily satisfy all my computing needs. (But with more spyware, which is why I picked Linux.)

However, I have to say I used to be an operating system enthusiast. Nuts about this stuff. If that were the case, I'd be all over this thing.

I mean, let's face it, wether it has Macromedia Flash support or not (I don't think it doesn't but hell if I know) it's still totally PIMP. I mean, look at those screenshots. I love that clean, minimalistic look.

Beautiful.

I tried BeOS back in the day, and it was soooo smooth... Absolutely brilliant piece of work.

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Funny thing about this

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 25, 2005 04:09 AM
They sell Zeta since month on german home order TV (RTL). For 99€ IIRC.

<a href="http://makeashorterlink.com/?H57721EBA" title="makeashorterlink.com">http://makeashorterlink.com/?H57721EBA</a makeashorterlink.com>

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Looks good but...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 28, 2005 12:58 AM
They need a free 'personal edition'. Something stripped down to about the same alotment of crap that ships with winblows and boots from loopback on the primary OS's partition (like BeOS did). This will increase the rate of new users far more rapidly than any paid release.

I paid for BeOS 5 Pro but only after using the free personal edition for a while. Checking out software, testing it on my various PC's, etc... I'll probably buy Zeta but only if and after I can try it out for free, licensed or otherwise.

Another example would be QNX. It's a decent little micro-kernal RTOS but it's damn expensive and yet they have a free version for non-commercial use. Although QNX is intended for embedded devices and they pay little to no attention to their PC user base.

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Haiku

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 30, 2005 06:37 PM
Zeta looks pretty intersting, but its commercial.

I would like to see <a href="http://haiku-os.org/" title="haiku-os.org">http://haiku-os.org/</a haiku-os.org> make it.

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Bluetooth and WLAN support

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 03, 2005 05:45 PM
I hope they will have these supported out of the box. It is hard to imagine how to live without either one of these.

As for multimedia, it is IEEE1394, not USB2.

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