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Posted Jul 25, 2008 at 3:40:23 PM
Subject: Is it worth it?

Hi,
I may be illiterate when it comes to open source.
I have used computers since dos and program is 3 languages.
However, the BS I have to do and hoops I have to jump through just to download and install any of the linux versions I have attempted make the Microsoft EULA seem like a walk in the park.

All the files are in .iso or bit torrent so I must download a 'free' application just to open them. These 'free' applications end up filling my computer with junk (malware) that starts locking up my other applications while it 'phones home' (and these jerks complain about Microsoft invading your privacy).

After 2 days of researching forums and downloading, burning CD's, etc.
I have yet to get a working installation of any of the several versions (ubuntu, freespire, dsl) that I have downloaded.

In addition, I have had to wipe my hard drive twice to clean out the 'junk' that got installed first.

I don't want to have to download 7zipfree or a cd burning application just to open a damn file (especially when 7zipfree inserts weatherbug, yahoo, etc. at the same time).

I've installed OpenOffice on one of my computers and have used it for low end work for a year now. Although it has it's share of holes and is very weak compared to Microsoft or Corel, it is 'free'. It works 75% of the time, so it beats buying another license.

I was very interested in loading a version of linux on a computer and setting it up with all opensource to evaluate. I just can't justify the hours of research and fiddling required just to make it work, let alone compete with a $commercial software. You get what you pay for.

If anyone can show me a simple way to just download an app. (without needing a bunch of support downloads too), I'd be interested in checking this open source stuff out.

Until then, I'll have to stick with the most reliable software I can get. Which remains Microsoft.


Regards,
Brigadeir

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Bob
Joined Apr 11, 2008
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Posted: Jul 25, 2008 6:59:35 PM
Subject: Is it worth it?

I'm sorry you're having difficulties. But, yes, it is well-worth the effort.

It's hard to make the process any easier than a free download of a single file. An .iso image file is a common, well-supported ISO (International Standardization Organization) format that makes it a good choice (open, free, well-documented). Burning a CD from an image file is a basic function that any CD burning software should be able to perform, though I have encountered that the stripped-down versions distributed for free with many new PCs don't support it without upgrading to the paid versions. Free versions of Windows software that can perform this function may have their own faults too. That's unfortunate, but you'll encounter much better choices in Linux. K3B (in Linux) is the best burning software I have ever used - clearly at least equal to full versions of Nero or Roxio I have on Win PCs.

What hardware are you using? Many distros should work well on anything recent, but if you are using older hardware or have less common peripherals, you may need to use specific versions or add some configuration steps. This is true of Windows or Mac as well.

You needn't 'wipe' your hard drive between Linux installation attempts, since the partitioning and formatting during installation eliminate any remnants of prior attempts. Perhaps by junk you mean the Windows software? Again, the failures of software distributed for Windows shouldn't put you off the alternatives, but drive you toward them instead.

Try CDburnerXP pro. (http://cdburnerxp.se/) I have used this without issue on a few Dell PCs since the Dell-supplied software couldn't burn iso files, as you describe. I didn't find any extras included with it, and it's homepage states there should be none. Sometimes free is "cheap and marginally functional" and sometimes free is "same thing without cost". Of course "the best things in life are free".

OpenOffice doesn't have all the features of MS Office or Corel Office (yet), but for most users its plenty. The others have their faults too. How much better should a pay version be to justify the cost? Maybe $50 could be worth it, but $300-500? How many such programs does your work require for other tasks? If you have employees (or PCs for your family), multiply that. Then compare it to the repositories from major Linux distros where you can click off 100s of programs for free for many tasks. And you get free maintenance and ugrades for life too.

Encountering problems can be frustrating, but you'll find the results well-worth the investment once you overcome them. The open-source movement of software development has many advantages over the old corporate closed-source model, and consumers will reap large rewards by transitioning to these products. Many companies and governments are switching. Software is becoming a commodity without cost, and service and support are the future profit areas (hardware, of course, is always profitable). MS is now behind and scrambling to find a way to survive in the that new IT market. Their monopoly has hurt the market more than most realize. Commercial versions of specialty software will remain viable, but there's plenty of global support for the common basics users rely on 90% of the time, including the OS.

You can only rely on MS as long as your cash keeps flowing to them. They can always push an upgrade on you, like Vista or Office2007 if you stay locked-in.

So, yes, the reward is well worth the effort. Keep your questions coming and we'll try to help you see the light.
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Khabi
Joined Apr 21, 2008
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Posted: Jul 25, 2008 7:10:56 PM
Subject: Is it worth it?

Quote:
I don't want to have to download 7zipfree or a cd burning application just to open a damn file

That has everything to do with running windows, and little to do with linux itself. ISO and zip files are standard formats these days.

By the tone of the post it seems you believe that linux is just another 'app' that runs in windows. That is not the case, its a complete replacement with a completely different way of doing things. IE when you boot into linux, you will not have windows itself running at all.

If you really don't want to spend the time to download and burn an ISO, then you can buy a cheap cd from places like http://cheapiso.com/. Try to get a 'LIVE' cd, as that is what you can run from the cd without having to actually install anything.

Simply,
*Get / Buy / Download / Borrow a live cd
*Put CD in drive
*Reboot computer with CD in the drive
*Boot from CD.

As long as you're able to boot from a cd you should be good to go.

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