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Russian government quiet about its move toward Linux

By JT Smith on July 16, 2002 (8:00:00 AM)

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- By Bruce Tober -
If the Cold War Soviet mindset was known for nothing else, it was known for secrecy. Today's Russian government also seems set on maintaining as much secrecy as possible, at least about its IT infrastructure. This isn't surprising considering Russian President Vladimir Putin and most of his ministry heads are former KGB operatives.
But recently, there has been evidence of Linux use in the Russian government. Earlier this year, Sergei Antimonov, director general of Russian anti-virus company DialogueScience, Inc., said the Russian Ministry of Defense and other government institutions were looking at using "Open Source Unix-like operating systems" and related software in near future. "There are three reasons: security, price and openness," Antimonov says.

Putin may be the stimulus to make Open Source the ubiquitous IT infrastructure in Russia, according to Viacheslav Kaloshin, technical manager, for IP-Tel Company. Kaloshin says Putin is outspoken about his desire to end the country's dependence on Western software production by building up Russian development.

Kaloshin says that's all to do with a perception in the country -- that imports of Western products are killing off domestic ones. "In all aspects of our life," he says, "from medicine to heavy machinery, our manufacturers face strong pressure from Western manufacturers and the president has called to develop Russian, instead of using Western. Many people are afraid Western industry will kill Russian software development completely. But the situation is starting to change.

"The law about software piracy is beginning to work," Kaloshin adds. "Many companies try to legalize all software that they use. Many system administrators after calculating the cost of software from Microsoft start looking at free operating systems." In his view, it's still virtually impossible to use Linux or FreeBSD exclusively on all desktop computers, "but on servers, it is a perfect choice. In government structures the situation is the same -- desktop computers run Windows, but servers on FreeBSD or Linux OSes."

The Ministry of Defense is using MSVS, an acronym for the Russian name which translates as "Armed Forces' Portable System," an operating system approved for use in 1998. According to Vitaly Fedrushkov, a network security specialist with a major Russian company, MSVS is currently based on Linux 2.2 kernels and has a security certification higher than NetWare 5.1 or Windows NT.

Fedrushkov says MSVS is similar to the U.S. National Security Agency's SELinux. A long-time Linux fan and co-founder of the Chelyabinsk Linux User Group, he explains that each ministry used to have its own research facilities and there were competing departments, for example the Ministry of Electronic Industry, and Ministry of Radio Equipment Industry. "The former attended the church of IBM, the latter believed in DEC hardware," he says.

"Nowadays, with benefits of commercial-off-the-shelf-based systems widely accepted," Fedrushkov adds, "the strategy of many competing efforts was canceled. Apart from legacy systems, the primary vendor is chosen in most areas, and all potential government clients merge their financial efforts to sponsor a single project. Both Ministry of Defense and Ministry of Internal Affairs approved MSVS."

The use of MSVS is mandated when the work is of a confidential nature and security is a major concern, as in military applications. For more mundane chores, such as letter-writing, whatever the user prefers may be used.

Asked why Russian Linux distributions ASP or ALT weren't used rather than developing MSVS, he says: "You can ask developers of SELinux as well. Security features of stock Linux kernels and user-space software are insufficient to obtain even a minimal certification."

Svetlana Semavina of ASPLinux says the Linux distribution is introducing itself to some Russian ministries. "Ministries are too big to make decisions fast," she says, "so we can't yet speak about the adoption of ASPLinux or other distribution." She says it's still too early to discuss any results of meetings with ministry officials, other than that those ministries "agreed to test our ASPLinux."

But within the ministries, she explains, some departments such as Research and Development Institute of Power Engineering, and KosmoService, which is developing software for Centers of Satellite Flying Monitoring, are migrating to ASPLinux. "They know that one day they must migrate to MSVS and understand that it is Linux-like OS. We are supporting them with it, it includes consulting, training, porting their applications to ASPLinux. Projects are not yet finalized."

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Another domino falls

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 12:33 AM
In a few years the only country still using M$ Crap(TM) will be our own good-ole-USA. Ours is the only country with a vested interest in keeping M$ alive. The rest of the world is already tasting the java, forget about the 'wake up and smell it' part.
Ok, I'll go back to  /. now...

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Putin may be summoned to Redmond...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 01:17 AM

If he keeps this up...

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Re:Putin may be summoned to Redmond...

Posted by: emk on July 17, 2002 01:53 AM
Russia may be a bit big to buy with $550K:-)

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Re:Putin may be summoned to Redmond...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 18, 2002 04:59 PM
I'm soooo tired of all that story of MS millions in the bank...
Don't you realize that every dollar can only be spent once? They cannot buy Russia and face decreased software sales at the same time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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Re:Another domino falls

Posted by: James M. Susanka on July 25, 2002 09:10 PM
I totally agree with you. We will be the only country running the $M stuff -
With laws like the Digital Millenium Copyright Act
linux will be outlawed. This is the only way $M can win this fight cause they can't beat Linux on technical merit alone.

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Interesting...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 12:47 AM
...that they're trying to develop their own industries instead of relying on imports. Sounds kind of like what Japan did...

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Re:Interesting...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 07:24 AM
It's the old mentality that Russia's still holding. Most things were always made and "reinvented" domestically rather then imported. People had jobs and were happy. Even though Russia is trying to put the economy back up onto its feet, better product is inevitably going to flow onto the market because there is a demand for it. It's hard seeing Russia or, in this case Japan also, developing a new controversially secure, stable, and useful OS, while they can simply build one based upon Linux kernel. The idea of ineficient "wheel reinvention" is being eradicated anymore and people take advantage of it. They should, it simply makes sence.

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Re:Interesting...

Posted by: Joseph Cooper on July 17, 2002 09:56 AM
Yes, and Japan became quite succesful
economically. They aren't like the US or
Luxemberg, but they are doing quite well
considering their environment.

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Re:Interesting...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 10:48 PM
You have got to be kidding...Japan is just now slinking out of its fourth recession in ten years. Moreover the Japanese government just released a report indicating that MITI's efforts to boost industry had been, at best, useless and at worst had kept alive industries that served to siphon off resources from more productive industries. Import substitution policies have been, the world over, failures. That includes the US, Japan, and Europe. If by doing quite well you mean year on year price deflation, a multi trillion yen banking mess, rising unemployment and a sinking stock market then your idea of doing well and the remainder of the universe's idea of doing well are sharply at odds.

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Sure

Posted by: Joseph Cooper on July 18, 2002 05:53 AM
Thats pretty much what I mean =D

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Re:Interesting...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 09:25 PM
that's exactly what the US of A mostly do, isn't it?

bert at a20.net

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Re:Interesting...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 19, 2002 02:05 AM


It's also what the US did. The US had very high tariffs throughout the 19th century, to allow domestic manufacturing to advance.


Every rich nation goes through the same pattern: be protectionist until you can compete; once you're strong enough, preach the doctrine of free trade.


Some countries run into trouble because they get set in their ways and don't make the switch soon enough, continuing protectionism when getting rid of it would be more helpful (when your big industrial concerns are no longer in their rapid improvement phase, protectionism will just make them stagnate). Japan ran into this kind of trouble.


But during the Asian economic crisis of 1997-1998,
it was the countries that were most protectionist (China and Malaysia) that came through with the least damage.

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Clanak

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 01:38 PM
Ja osobno je kupujem Ms proizvode a niti bi ih ikome preporucio. Nadam se da ovim nisam dospio na popis neprijatelja nove americko/fasisticke diktature.

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Re:Clanak

Posted by: OwlWhacker on July 18, 2002 04:00 AM
Sorry, Babelfish doesn't do that one... does it?

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Re:Clanak

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 18, 2002 10:08 PM
Serbian probably or maybe Slovenian

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Re:Clanak

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 19, 2002 09:32 PM
Probably czech, but definitely not russian, not ukrainian, not belorussian and not bulgarian...

--
Olexander.

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Re:Clanak

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 20, 2002 03:46 AM
Definitely not Czech, and not Slovak

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Re:Clanak

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 20, 2002 02:13 AM
yob tebya mat.

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Re:Clanak

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 21, 2002 07:28 PM
I don't know what language it is, but I think it says something like:

I don't buy Microsoft software, no matter whoever recommends it. I hope to the enemy American/fascist dictatorship.

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Re:Clanak

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 21, 2002 07:33 PM
I don't know what language it is, but I think it says something like:

I don't buy Microsoft software, no matter whoever recommends it. I hope to *could not understand that one* the enemy American/fascist dictatorship.

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Is not it Linux after all?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 03:19 PM
MSVS is Linux.
Should not it be Open Source as required by original source licenses? So... Where I can see the sources?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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Re:Is not it Linux after all?

Posted by: r55 on July 17, 2002 07:48 PM
c'mon buddy! we'ren't that crazy enough to meddle with issues which really matters to a nation's security!!

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Re:Is not it Linux after all?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 07:58 PM
Sorry, but no.

You're only required to release the source if you redistribute the modifications. In-house modification doesn't imply you have to release your changes. So they don't have to release the changes. Would it be good if they did so? I think so, as they'd get the benefit of public review... but they don't have to do so.

My € 0.002

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Re:Is not it Linux after all?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 08:00 PM
Tonight on "Extreme Conflicts," it's the FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION versus Russia's elite 17th ARMORED DIVISION!!! Stay tuned!

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Re:Is not it Linux after all?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 19, 2002 01:40 AM
A guy at the FSF told me they are going to win because they have already hacked into the 17th Armoured Division's central command computer and set things up so the tanks will be firing at each other.

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Re:Is not it Linux after all?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 18, 2002 06:19 PM
This a very common misunderstanding of the GPL. The GPL says you must provide the source code along with the binaries you distribute.

This means that if you don't have access to MSVC binaries, you have no right for the source either.

This is also true for commercial companies: If company A is selling GPL software to company B, then A must provide the source code of the GPL software to company B along with the binaries. That doesn't mean that anybody on the internet can have access to the sources.

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MSVS ALT Linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 17, 2002 09:37 PM
JFYI, most of the original MSVS development team is now woriking in ALT Linux, and it is reasonable to presume that either MSVS will be supported and updated by ALT, or ALT will get accepted in place of MSVS.

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Re:MSVS ALT Linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 18, 2002 05:15 PM
According to another confidential sources this team (now working) was expelled from MSVS and nowdays the MSVS system stems from and is based on Red Hat Linux

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bet you they will use SE linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 18, 2002 03:39 PM
I bet they will utilize SE linux...

Imagine if they did.. The russian military utilizing open source software that was modified by the NSA, because the GPL allows them to...

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Secure Russian Linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 18, 2002 09:38 PM
The secure russian Linux is based on RSBAC http://www.rsbac.org.
RSBAC is a good system, maybe better security than SELinux but configuration is a nightmare.

Shaun

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Re:Secure Russian Linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 18, 2002 11:38 PM
The distro you are talking about is ALTLinux Castle at http://www.altlinux.com/index.php?module=castle. They made an RSBAC configuration you can just use.

RSBAC configuration used to be a nightmare, but it has become much more user friendly by now. Specially the new help system in 1.2.0 menues, many small enhancements and a lot more of documentation can give you a better start.

Also, RSBAC is ready for production use and independent of any government or big company. Look at http://www.rsbac.org/overview.htm for some details.

Amon.

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Re:Secure Russian Linux

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 19, 2002 01:59 AM
its also slow as shit! (RSBAC)

I installed it on my system and everything just grinded to a halt. I haven't used SELinux before, but i'm sure the NSA implemented a better version of the MACL system (Mandatory Access Control List)

Mikhail Freeman

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Re:Secure Russian Linux / RSBAC

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 20, 2002 10:53 PM
You should have asked on the list what you did wrong.

BTW: What model are you talking about? There is no MACL model in RSBAC.

Amon.

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New Configuration system

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 19, 2002 06:45 AM
The configurations used to be hard due to the power and flexibility of RSBAC. But the NEW version 1.2.0 has a easy to configure interface. Try it <A HREF="http://www.rsbac.org/"> www.rsbac.org</a rsbac.org>

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Linux as FREE weapon ?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2002 07:55 PM
Yes, great...
They will use FREE Linux to kill people...

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