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kinda like a oracle 9 type deal going on here.

Well they better do somthing cool if they are dropping the dot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:). Like a new cool logo in install or on the box or somthing

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Especially items 2, 7, 8 (I'm not a huge Beatles fan so I missed the reference).

So was it Red Hat that removed the dot from dot-com?

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The 12th song on the second disc of the white
album is "Revolution 9"

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Yeah, it occurred to me as I was dropping off to sleep that somewhere Paul or John say "Number 9" over and over again. That's the kind of thing it's hard to recollect on the spot... hmm, there's an ad for google here somewhere.

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Well, I just hope that they were inspired only by the song's name, not it's content<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) Or would you like the system that would run a couple of applications and erraticaly switch between them, display some texts backward or upside down, randomly talking other languages than the selected one etc.?

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Wait a minute!
Since when has RedHat released windows?

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In Catalan, "9" is spelled "nou" and sounds kinda like "now" in English- so "Revolution 9" becomes "Revolution now" if you keep "Revolution" as English word since does not exist in Catalan nevertheless.

Also, "nou" means "new" besides "nine"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so I may install RH9 to look up the catalan translations<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-) because obviously looks a catalan-ish release afterall.

Oh, wait, and BillGates-III was 666, wasn't it?

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9 is what?

9 is... how many more years it will take for RH (them) to get any part of the RH desktop to look and to work like Xandros?

9 is... how many years before they get a full Wine for MS office running on RH verion that is out of the box (like Xandros)?

9 is... what we will all be before the above happens... (what is "9" in Welsh)?

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It was to me 8.1 thay are just going to 9 to stay up with mandrake

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Nine breaks binary compability with eight. So they upped the major version, like they always do when that happens.

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Red Hat is no longer releasing the free version as "dot" releases. The next release will be Red Hat Linux 10 (no dot!). If you really really miss the dots, you can get them here:

http://www.candydirect.com/moviecandy/Dots_7_oz.h<nobr>t<wbr></nobr> ml

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.. 9 is your IQ if you think that Xandros is a superior distro to RedHat.

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Be nice now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
Besides not have the new DVD Burner not work with RedHat Linux (or other Linux distros)... Has anyone figured that out yet or is it going to take 9 years!
Remember that users are not hackers! SO...
Remember that someone moving to Linux from the MS side of things is pretty much lost when it comes to the unkind file organization that Linux has.
Xandos just does all that better
(see http://www.xandros.com/xandros_file_manager.html )<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and for using all their old files (all office documents) then having Wine/CodeWeavers do it just like before... IS WONDERFUL, and very friendly (vs not having these files open with some Linux Office Apps that are half done)... SO anyway, all this is done much better than RedHat does it SO THEY better plan to do something about that problem now in order to be caught up to Xandros before the 9 years is up! Period.

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9 in Welsh is 'Naw'. Chwarae teg like boyo..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

Chris - Cardiff born..

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When you say it (not the number)... what does it mean? No pun intended, just accepted.

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"Chwarae teg" (pronounced "wara teg" means "fair play" - chwarae = play, teg = fair.

The "like boyo" is actually called "Wenglish", which is a dialect mix of Welsh and English you tend to hear in South Wales, mainly around the valleys, Cardiff, Newport & Swansea. There's even a website about it at <A HREF="http://www.talktidy.com/" TITLE="talktidy.com">http://www.talktidy.com/</a talktidy.com>

They've also got an entry on <A HREF="http://www.talktidy.com/tt-w.html" TITLE="talktidy.com">Chwarae Teg</a talktidy.com>.

pob hwyl!
Chris

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It sounds like its all to get more money from people certifying. Since if you get an RHCE or RHCT, its only good for two major versions. Since I JUST got my RHCE for 8, looks like it will be good for about 3 months at this rate.

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That is not what this says:

http://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/rhce_faq.html<nobr>#<wbr></nobr> current

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9 is the loneliest number that you'll ever know....
So they thought this would bring it some comapny

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Are you guys were trying to level up with Sun's Solaris9? No way<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) You need to make two dots in every release to make it happens<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(

Now, honestly, for desktops - Linus rulez! It's not a server platform
yet.

Take care,

        Cos

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It's a shame that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Redhat willingly removed Taiwan’s status as an independent country to please tyrannical China against democratic Taiwan in their latest versions.

Several other companies like Microsoft and HP have refused to remove Taiwan’s in their listings of countries despite pressure from China.

And yes, we all know Taiwan is not recognised by the U.N as an independent country because the risk of war but that’s not the point. Most democratic countries and the people in them sees Taiwan as independent, it is every freedom loving man and woman’s responsibility to support them.

Please do not install Redhat either at home or at work. If you are a consultant, direct your customers towards other distributions. There are lots of good distributions, there is simply no need to support evil companies like this.

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I don't think it makes them evil.
You haven't posted Red Hat's reasons for doing this. Have you asked them?

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what have u been smoking???

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Sorry, I should have posted some links; lots of people are unaware of these matters.

I don't have time searching for it but it's no problem finding info about it searching on google. Search for Redhat and Taiwan.

To make a long story short: To be able to sell more licenses to mainland China Redhat removed Taiwan’s flag and therefore it's status as independent.

Redhat made some lame excuses trying to claim that it was a mistake but some simple google searching revealed that they removed it on purpose. They have no intensions to put it back.

HP for example, has been fined in a Chinese court for their refusal to remove Taiwan’s status as independent in their software. Microsoft has also refused to give on for Chinas demands.

If even a company like Microsoft stands up for basic democracy Redhat should be required to do the same.

Redhat is an evil company; they sell out even democracy if they can make more bucks on it.

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You're trying to make a political statement out of a marketing decision. I seem to remember them saying that they plan to remove all the flags. Red Hat isn't "evil" or "anti-democracy". That's bull.

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"Red Hat isn't "evil" or "anti-democracy". That's bull."

They are certainly evil, they think bucks for them are more important than democracy. Not even Microsoft thinks that, thats make them evil.

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Your mom is evil for letting you use a computer.

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So let me see if I got this straight, you are essentially saying Red Hat is worse then Microsoft because they removed the Taiwanese Flag from the KDE control panel?

So Red Hat, in your own words, is anti-democratic and evil because they don't recognize Taiwan as a country. Okay, this is a just an example so don't get too annoyed with me, but by your same definition the United States (and several other democratic countries) are anti-democratic and evil because they also don't recognize Taiwan as a country. Taiwan may be a democratic, capitalistic country but the US panders to China, a communist country, because it has a large economy and it is more profitable to do business with them. The US isn't alone in this, but I think the definition of evil and anti-democratic needs some work.

I think you forget that Democracy is all about freedom. In my opinion, Microsoft is more anti-democratic then Red Hat because Microsoft restricts more freedoms then Red Hat. While Red Hat was wrong to remove the Taiwanese flag, if I was motivated enough, I have the freedom to fix the problem (by uninstalling KDE and replacing it with the KDE.org rpms). If Microsoft were to do the same thing, could you easily fix it?

There are many more valid reasons not to use the Red Hat distribution. Here are three of them:

   
1. The continual ballooning of their installation (size does matter, smaller is better)


   
2. Their refusal to cooperate with the open source community. Red Hat does most of their modifications in private and did not coordinate with the projects they are modifying. As a result, everyone is suprised when the software hits the market.


   
3. Their disrespect for the goals of open source developers. Their extensive modifications to KDE is only one of them. They have also released a distro with a GCC that couldn't compile many open source programs including the linux kernel.

There are a lot more reasons, but I won't go into them here because they aren't really that important. I personally believe the damage the inflict on open source projects is worse then the removal of a flag (which btw is easy to fix). I don't use the Red Hat distro (but not for the reasons above, I simply decided to do everything from <A HREF="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/">scratch</a linuxfromscratch.org>).

Face facts. Everyone is different. Let them make up their own minds. Try to avoid preaching (I'm a hypocrit, I know). You see the removal of the Taiwanese Flag to be a major influence in your decision not to use Red Hat, others may disagree (China for example). Some people are smart enough to mark up their own minds. Wouldn't it be better to just mention why you don't use Red Hat rather then villifying them?

Sure, Red Hat may be evil incarnate. They may be anti-democratic. Personally I don't think they are any worse then other commercial distributions, except for their pesky overly-capitalistic, anti-social behaviour.

Anywho, just my two-cents

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Waah, your momma is an evil company, your dad should demand a refund.

Get a life loser

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"To make a long story short: To be able to sell more licenses to mainland China Redhat removed Taiwan’s flag and therefore it's status as independent."

Do you really think that Taiwan's independence hinges on the design on the outside of a cheap cardboard box?

I don't. I think they are a better people than that.

"If even a company like Microsoft stands up for basic democracy Redhat should be required to do the same."

You impugn the character of both Microsoft and Redhat with that single statement. I can only imagine the damage you could wreak in a roomfull of blonds.

I also don't think Redhat should be 'required' to take any stance it does not wish to take. That would violate US law regarding freedom of speech and expression<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the same law that permitted your posting.

It is sufficient for Redhat to obey local and international laws while trying to eke out a living in the same cage as a ravenous 800# gorilla.

"Redhat is an evil company; they sell out even democracy if they can make more bucks on it."

That makes them no worse than Clinton<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... who gave the N. Koreans the long range missile guidance systems that allow it to target the United States. Why not take Bill Clinton to task<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... especially now that it appears the N. Koreans are about to join the nuclear club?

I think ALL of us have more pressing matters than the design on the outside of a cardboard box.

Don't you?

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WAAAAAAH

Go find a bridge, and jump.

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Release a patch fixing the fault. Redhat is a company. A company job is to do the most to make they the most money. By not suporting them you are actually helping china because no market no one to worry about. Redhat is a open source distro. Release a Anti-fault release. Make it the bigest public brawl you can. Ie you sell a patched startup disk you make money to and you directly attack there markets to get rid of you the will be required to fixit.

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"A company job is to do the most to make they the most money. "

Not if the issue at stake is democracy. There are certain things that is more important than money. Even Microsoft has stand up for democracy in this case, Redhat should do the same.

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You're a stupid redneck!.

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- They don't apologize after an isolated employee -- without unauthority -- removed Taiwan's flag
- They don't GPL any of their software
- They are trying to keep Linux off the desktop and push their own proprietary software<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... NOT

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Don't give money to help the war, stop buying US products, it's time to boycott country who doesn't respect international law, and who are acting for their own interest !

Redhat is a USA firm, and USA still don't signed in many international treaties (Kyoto, weapons of mass destruction non-proliferation, treaty agains anti-personal mines, etc). Bush is bringing the world to war, just because he wants some more money, some more power, and some more oil.

NO BLOOD FOR OIL, NO MORE MONEY FOR USA !!!

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We should just all stop buying US prodcuts, that's the best way to show these morons that their money is depending on all the other country, and worst of all, that they're gonna collapse without the world.

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Then you should stop buying anything that has US involvement with. BTY, Linus lives in the US and works for a US company so stop using Linux altogether, also one of the best Kernel hackers works for Redhat (Alan Cox). Microsoft and Apple is also a US company, so I would like to know what operating system you are using to write your stupid comments. Also, the the computer was invented in the US along with electricity, so take your moronic ass back to the stone ages.

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Neither the computer nor electricity were invented in the USA. Is that what they teach you in history classes?

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one of the principles of electricity was discovered by Benjamin Franklin. he proved that the amber spark and lightning were pretty much the same thing. (http://www.codecheck.com/pp_elect.html). The phenomenon itself was first realized by the greeks thousands of years ago in the form of static electricity. As for the computer, yes, a german engineer developed the first 'calculator' in 1941, but it was an american company, intel, that developed the first microprocessor, the 4 bit 4004, in 1970. Texas Instruments (yet another american company) was the first to reveal the principle and demonstrate the use of the integrated circuit. So yes, the computer as you now know it was 'invented' in america. That sucks, doesn't it... *snickers and sneers*???<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P
BTW, boycott us... see if we give a flying fuck. We will just let the next fascist regime come along and rape your country whilst we profit on weapons sales. THEN, we will turn around and sell the rest of our products to him for greater profit! We will let IBM head the project since the have great experience with such things.

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I'm so sorry, I guess I need to break it down a little more for you to understand exactly what I meant. Maybe the whole concept of the computer wasn't by the US but significant computer developments were relatively few before the 1940s. At this time the first (1st) electronic computers, the ABC & the ENIAC, were built. Several years later, in 1949, at Cambridge, which is in the US, the first electronic computer operating under the control of a stored program, the EDSAC, was completed. With other major developments at Princeton, which is in the US, and MIT, which is also in the US. Also, I should have went into more detail about what I meant about electricity, electricity wasn't developed in US but the most important development in the history of electricity generation with the birth of a purpose built power station was. So what do they teach you in history classes?

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Well said!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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The abacus, a simple counting aid, may have been invented in Babylonia (now Iraq) in the fourth century B.C. Isn't this ironic ?

Konrad Zuse, a German engineer, completes the first general purpose progammable calculator in 1941. He pioneers the use of binary math and boolean logic in electronic calculation.

First, no one invented electricity, it has always existed. The name "electricity" was coined by William Gilbert (English) in 1600. Alessandro Volta (Italian) invented the battery. Michael Farady (English) invented the first electric generator.

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Where in the Land of Oz do you liberaloid idiots get your ideas of what's going on in the world? If this was about oil, why didn't the American military just claim Kuwait? After all, with tens of thousands of troops and all that military hardware on site, what could the Kuwaitis do? If this is about cash, why do the Coalition forces insist on making way for humanitarian aid (BILLIONS, mind you, from their own pockets!) to get into Iraq ASAP? As for respect for International Law, the spineless bastards in the UN obviously don't have the conviction to enforce their own resolutions. The ENTIRE Security Council agreed last Autumn that Iraq has repeatedly failed to live up to the agreements they committed to after we threw their rotten asses out of Kuwait twelve years ago. If all America wanted was oil, why didn't they just take Iraq AND Kuwait in 1991. At the insistence of the rest of the gonad-challenged countries in the world, America stopped short of finishing the job in 1991. As a result, Saddam killed tens of thousands of his own citizens in reprisal for their support of ANYONE who'd take the initiative to rid the world of the tyrannical bastard. This scumball Hussein has, time and again, broken every single principle of civilized behavior. But you morons call The U.S.A. renegades and war criminals because they have the cojones to do something about this tinhorn tyrant before he manages to put together the capacity to kill millions at a swat. Why don't you spineless jellyfish all go live in Iraq, or Iran or North Korea, where those in power will no doubt highly respect your love of "peace" and "serenity"?

Get a fucking clue, cretins!!!

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Billions of humanitarian aid? Billions of illusions may be, billions of bombs, billions of dead... Please stop smoking crack before posting. It also reduces the size of your over-appreciated american balls<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P

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To Anonymous Reader 2003.03.28 7:26

At least Anonymous Reader 2003.03.27 18:52 backed up his diatribe with researchable facts. What did you have to offer besides extremist comments (billions this and billions that) couched in nebulous terms and ending with a couple of knee jerk insults? This is why most U.S. citizens support the war: Because the So-very-fragile reasons that the Bush Administration gives for War outweighs anything coming from the anyone speaking for the media Liberals (I'll be using terms like "media liberals" and "media conservatives" to differentiate between those general party spokespeople who have the biggest mouths and the rest of their group who have little to no voice at all. I'm not trying to tar all liberals or all conservatives with the same brush here). How can you stand to be so publicly simple minded? The best you can do is just gainsay another's comments without offering an informed contrary opinion?

I mean, it wouldn't be difficult at all to breakdown every one of the current Administration's arguments, on a fact by fact basis. The Bush Administration is making unfounded accusations ("Hidden weapons of mass destruction!" Well, where the hell are they?) with the only appeal being that of liberating the terrorized Iraqi people from the bloody rule of a tyrant who openly thinks that Adolph Hitler was "too sweet". The idea of liberation is appealing and that's what most Americans who support the war are hanging onto, but it is presented with so much fluff and disinformation that it requires a suspension of critical thought nearly akin to a leap of faith.

Keep in mind that these US citizens are the same people who, however cynical and jaded, hold the same values that led them into World War II with Germany (who never attacked them), North Korea (who never attacked them), Vietnam (who never attacked them), and all those wars were started and approved by Democrats and the liberal party.

So here we have Bush and his administration, spewing conflicting statements.
Cheney and his statements of an Iraq war which would "go relatively quickly" and be over in "weeks rather than months."

Ari Fleischer and his "We planned for a battle that could be long, that could be hard, it could be difficult."

and

Kenneth Adelman (part of the Bush "think tank". Ahem!) who said the war in Iraq would be a "cakewalk".

How difficult would it be to reasonably, rationally, counter their statements, their contradictions in a convincing debate? That would be a REAL cakewalk, yeah?

Yet not one of the media Liberals can do it! They don't even try! The biggest mouths of the media liberals are being represented by actors like
Susan Sarandon (who publicly stated how she couldn't understand PM Blair being "seduced" by Bush. Bill Clinton yes, but not Bush.)

Jessica Lange, who likes to go to other nations and rag about how much she hates Bush (never gives a reason for it and seems to be as mentally unbalanced as the characters she's portrayed throughout her career).

Tim Robbins, who is all for free speech and peace unless someone talks to any members of his family without prior consent from Timmy. Tim threatened a reporter from the Washington Post with violence for interviewing Susan Sarandon's Mother and printing the old gal's statements. The guy is an unstable nutjob!

And then there is Martin Sheen. Martin has been going around lately with duct tape over his mouth, wearing a somber hang-dog expression, and playing out a rather hammy act as a wounded Jesus, carrying his protest placard/cross, which is covered with speculation and well worn pre-approved tropes. Sloganeering is not a form of rational thought or debate.

So with all of this taken into account, the best you can do is question the "Billions of dollars in aid"? Since when has the US not done that? And who has been doing a better job?

This is why there is war. Because Saddam is an evil butcher who has no interest in diplomacy; because there are dubious reasons on one side (the side with the power) and nothing but mush coming from the opposing side (Diplomacy? With a guy who says that Adolph Hitler was "too sweet"? Give peace a chance? The Liberals had their chance for 8 years during Clinton, who bombed Iraq many times over for spurious reasons. How utterly silent the "Peace Protesters" were then!). If you ask me, the Democrats and the Republicans are in this together.

But the main thrust of this comment thread was supposed to be about Redhat 9. An article which was humorous and not in need of political grandstanding. How the hell does it de-evolve inito politics? I hope I helped dispense with the tripe. Now let's get back to the Linux conversation, eh? Because no matter what company makes it, and no matter where we are from, Linux belongs to, and is built and shared by, all of us. So SCREW politics!

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The problem with Americans is that they believe that they are the messiahs of the world, or that is what the govt. would like the people to believe. But then, why Iraq only, after all, there are many other countries which have violated UN resolutions, who harbour terrorism on their lands. Come on, they went and fought in Afghanistan but left Pakistan. And if you do not know the facts, Pakistan has more terrorists than anywhere in the world. And they blatantly, flout their terrorist power. And the americans are just hypocrites, they do not find any value in attacking Pakistan. So what, if 55,000 civilians have been killed in Kashmir because of terrorists from Pakistan.

Get your facts clear first. Before advising about balls and their sizes. Its very easy to be sitting and sipping coffee and commenting on a war, you will know if you are in the midst of one.

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>The problem with Americans is that they
>believe that they are the messiahs of
>the world.

That is interesting. Neither I nor my American neighbors would agree with that statement. You should get to know us a little better.

>But then, why Iraq only, after all..

I would recommend that you enroll in a debate course. This is the classic "two wrongs make a right" argument. For example: Why did the police man give me a ticket for speeding? The other cars on the street were speeding too.

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"Why did the police man give me a ticket for speeding? The other cars on the street were speeding too."

See you have it in a nutshell, comparing the US to a Police man, well Mr. Police man we don't trust your policing, we don't trust YOU and we'd quite like you to start getting rid of YOUR weapons of mass destruction before you start telling others to get rid of theirs.

You can't deny that accusing others of developing weapons of mass destruction is hypocrisy of the highest order now can you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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How ever evil the batt'h party is (and it is evil, worse than stalinist russia) this war may be a bid to keep the middle eastern nations using the US dollar as their transaction base, as we know iraq in '99 switched to the euro for it's transaction currency and iran has been contemplating such a move as well. Why is this important? Well the US per-capita dept is about $12000 yet we still have the ability to buy anything we desire at anytime. How is this possible? The US efffectivly prints the world's money. Think back to when the world was still using gold as it's standard exchange currency, imagine if you were in the possession of a machine that turned water wood and air into pure gold, imagine the things you could aquire with this machine. This is the position the US is in; the majority of the world (especially the oil producing nations) backs their wealth by greenbacks not gold (there isn't enough gold in the world anyhow), the US prints these greenbacks... this 'gold' (and do not think for a moment that it is backed by the gold in fort knox, kennedy took us off the gold standard in the 60s, knox is a holdover from ealier times; and hey, its nice to have a huge store of gold anyhow). We control the worlds standard of wealth and using careful economic regulations keep the unbacked US dollar from plunging into the atlantic. Here is another analogy: God wants to play in the world, he wants to be wealthy too... so he cojours up gold and emralds and rubies for himself and no he dosent dump it into the world economy and ruin their value, he trades them for what they are supposidly worth and thus can buy anything he desires... when he wants more he just cojoures up more emralds and rubies and trades them (not dumps them) for expensive items as normal. As long as the US dollar is traded for what its supposidly worth all is well for us and the world, and since most of the world is interdependent on our paper scraps it would not be advisable for them to trade the US dollar lower than it's supposidly worth or try to cash in on the money the US owes as then the US economy would crash and the money the creditor has (the US dollars he has) would be worthless. Also if countries stopped trading dollars its value would become apparent... how mutch does a sliver of cotton and wood cost to produce? The US couldent print 'gold' anymore, the creditors want their money (and dont accept the US Dollar), a depression ensues for all who are dependent on the dollar, US is then the equivalant of africa. This is not a war to get oil, instead it may be to keep the oil being traded in US Dollars ('gold'). Another question may be who are the creditors? It may as well be the US itself given we produce the world's wealth in literal form.

--asueekim--

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Look out! Conspiracy theories are running a muck these days.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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Most people don't know jack squat about macroeconomics. That's why they have to make up these stories about freeing iraqis or conquering oil. The down and dirty macroecon of the IMF, World Bank and WTO is too much for your average American.

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Wow, what an arrogant asshole.

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You are a friggin whack job !! Another liberal w/o a clue. Your the type of person I warn my kids about. Stupid & crazy is a poor combination.

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You have given us a whole lot of B******T(sorry I don't wanna say any bad words here).
Taiwan is not a independent country and it will never be. All Chinese believe that!

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This is not a debate forum buster.

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Don't spew your counter-revolutionary propoganda here. If it wasn't for support by the American imperialists Tawain would have been part of the PRC also. Tawain is rightfully part of China. Someday when the American imperialists have weakened themselves by invading and occupying the middle east the PRC can reclaim Formosa without western intervention.

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Should not the people of Tawain make that decision? Only an imperialist China would overthrow Tawain's republic and replace it with their own facist government.

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How about Red Flag?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D

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I use Libranet 2.7, get it?
Orpheus

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Libranet costs money. Red Hat is free. Get it.

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Libranet 2.7 costs money.
Libranet 2.0 is free.
Libranet 2.7 cost nothing if you copy it from someone else (which is totally legal).

RHN cost money. Official deb mirrors are free...

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official RH mirrors are free.

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So you're saying RH 9 is libranet played backwards?

Has anyone TRIED to play the RH 9 CD backwards?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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I tried putting the Red Hat 8 CD upside down in my microwave once...

<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...all I got was a fire

<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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  They did a jump from 4 to 7. Mandrake has even released 9.1. Slackware, Solaris etc are all version-competing, sortof like AMD lying about processor speeds to compete with Intel. Shows how many consumers really read benchmarks on Tomshardware before forking out for a new system.


  But come to think of it, serious distros like Debian and OSes like FreeBSD are still on their tracks. No jumps there, their consumers know the progress of their OS. They also dont get into trouble like RedHat, where 9 is not much different from 8, so the version difference doesnt tell much about the features difference. I dont think RedHat realises, that people like the number AFTER the dot. It displays reliability like FreeBSD 4.7 and Linux 2.4.20, unlike say Linux 2.5.0. But then again, alot of RedHat buyers dont realize that either.


  I personally couldnt care less about the number, if the 9.0 is as reliable and mature as 8.3, and if their associated RHCEs arent obsolete. I dont think after an RHCE you ever get obsolete for RedHat. They just want to suck RHCEs dry and live off their paychecks. $1000CDN per exam.

Ghazan Haider

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Unlike Slackware, there was a Red Hat Linux 1.0 thru 8.0, so 9 makes sense. The fact that Red Hat is moving to integer versioning is irrelevant. All a version does is differentiate releases.

As far as the RHCE training goes, I found it much better than what you get for the same price or more at IBM and Sun. And the food...man, Red Hat knows how to feed you! If you think the price of RHCE training or tests are overpriced, you haven't looked at the competition. And it only makes sense that the RHCE will now track the Enterprise versions, since that is where a certification is valuable.

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RHCE will follow the Advanced workstation/server series and not the general releases. RedHat 120 could be out, and RHCE's wouldn't have to update unless Advanced series increments a major number.

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unlike redhat, slackware even reached<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.6 in slackware 3.6
btw check http://slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#0

if slackware used integer versioning, they would be at around slackware 50 right now...

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If the RHCE starts tracking RHAS/RHWS, it will be an idiotic move in the extreme. There are 16,500 installs of RHAS and 5000 installs of RHWS according to RedHat's own numbers. The marketshare of these products is tiny. If they're going that route, you might as well certify against generic Linux (SAIR/LPI) rather than getting a RedHat cert for products you're unlikely to use.

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AMD never lied about its Processors' speeds. You're assuming that the 4 digit numbers appended to the CPU's name are MHz, which is your folly. BTW, even if you get that impression, you're not at loss. Googlize to know why.

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because AMD processors blow Intels out of the water - they have been faster and more efficient since the 1ghz mark. Intel has more ghz, yet AMD has superior productivity.

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1. Alan's hat size

2. RH9 sounds like a sports car, while RH8.1 sounds like some software package for geeks

3. Even Marketing thought "Red Hat 11" was too extreme

4. Damn T-shirt vendor couldn't follow directions. Oh well, the shirts have arrived

5. Subtle hint to Red Hat 6.2 admins: time to shell out for a cert upgrade

6. Someone bet Mandrake a long time ago that "we'll reach version 10 before you guys".

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"Even Marketing thought "Red Hat 11" was too extreme"

<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...but, it goes to 11

(Someone had to do it)

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And<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 releases are notoriously buggy. M$ Word 5.0, RedHat 6.0, RedHat 7.0, MacOS 9.0, the AMC Pacer, you get the drift....

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HAHAHAHA. Yeah, I wanted to use that one, but it didn't make the cut.

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..they did it to gain publicity.

Didn't get it? Read the article and comments once more<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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who gives a phuq

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To see if Apple will release OS XXX before Redhat can release RH69. "RedHat 69, the OS of choice for pr0n connoisseurs everywhere"

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Hpefuly RH will get the clue to make its new version better than its crapy release of RH 8.0. Hopefuly RH9 will come with built in mp3 support, and bundled with the latest release of Xine. If they listen to their custumers they will hepufuly release RH9 with the latest version of KDE (currently KDE 3.1) without editing it. They should also make KDE the default desktop manager instead of Gnome, which by the way is the worst desktop manager out there.


                                                                  - RH8 User

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>built in mp3 support

Nope.

>latest release of Xine

Nope.

>latest version of KDE (currently KDE 3.1) without editing it

Nope.

>make KDE the default desktop manager instead of Gnome

Nope.

>- RH8 User

Nope. You sound more like a Mandrake or SuSE user. A Red Hat user would know that 8 was a good release, that mp3 and Xine were easily obtainable, and that the whole point of 8 was to unify the two desktops.

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I add another one to this will they ship kpackage with it which was missing in rh 8.0


          Anirban Biswas.

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WAAAAAAH they edited KDE and I don't know what to do!!! Take a couple of pills, close your eyes and end your infernal suffering over your sorry ass problem, or shut the fuck up. RedHat did what they did because that's what people like ME asked them to do. Sorry ass wanna be linux users like yourself can't seem to get that through your stupid fucking heads. Go back to windows you little sorry ass puke.

The less bitches like you, the further Linux will go in the REAL FUCKING WORLD!

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newsflash jackass: if you are incompitent enough to actually need a unified desktop, you have no room whatsoever to call someone a 'wanna be linux user". moron

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Competent. Hostile message full of typos and verging on completely incoherent? Check. Linux user? Check.

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You said:
They should also make KDE the default desktop manager instead of Gnome, which by the way is the worst desktop manager out there.

I Say: Go Suck Ass, Monkey Boy

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Oh, and get a fucking spellchecker, or did Red Hat leave that out of 8 too?

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"Gnome, which by the way is the worst desktop manager out there."

In your opinion.

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I didn't think RH 8.0 was all that bad...and certainly not as "crapy" as you implied. MP3 support was dropped because of the licencing issues and if you want to use Xine to play DVD movie discs out of the box, you have to break the law (the libdvdcss library is illegal in many countries) !! It's interesting to note that Windows Media Player 9 can't play DVD movies by default either...Microsoft suggest you go and buy a DVD codec just to play DVDs within WMP 9...

I have no problem with Red Hat adding themes to KDE and Gnome and making them the default - that's one of the few things (other than the installer) which the distros can use to differentiate themselves. The fact that Red Hat used the same theme in both desktops was a very good idea (making it a bit easier to switch between the two).

I use GNOME myself because I find KDE takes a bit longer to start up and runs more "stuff" in the background to support the desktop. Mind you, I do remove Nautilius from my GNOME environment (in fact, I "rpm -e" it from the system), which does help an awful lot on the GNOME side...

I don't mind rapid releases too much myself, but the fact that 8.0 will EOL'd after only 15 months of existence (31 Dec 2003 for those who don't know the 8.0 doomsday date) is very disappointing, particularly for us folks who have it on live production servers (I can see a "Happy New Year 2004 Installing 9.X" session come next January...).

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They need to remove THAT virus that Red Hat 8.0 came with, AKA BlueCurve. When I pick KDE, I want KDE and when I pick Gnome, I want Gnome.

And like it was stated, they need to include MP3 support. The Red Hat support said my wireless card, which is a Linksys WPC11 wasn't supported...bull. With a little hacking, it IS supported.

RH is getting to be a LOT more like MS.

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> They need to remove THAT virus that Red Hat 8.0 came with, AKA BlueCurve. When I pick KDE, I want KDE and when I pick Gnome, I want Gnome.

And when I pick Red Hat, I want a unified desktop.

But you apparently won't respect my choice. You have decided that my choice is invalid, and must be erased.

With an attitude like yours, I have trouble believing that you are an Open Source supporter. You sound more like an astroturfer trying to FUD Red Hat.

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They should also make KDE the default desktop manager instead of Gnome, which by the way is the worst desktop manager out there.

Please~~ You have Mandrake, SUSE, TurboLinux, etc...
Why can't leave Red Hat for our GNOME user instead of KDE-nize everything?
I love GNOME, don't ask why. By the way I think all other desktop manger are worst.

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GNOME is a "worst desktop manager out there"? It's funny, but I always thought the same about KDE.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)))

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...because 10 would just be so pretentious .

<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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One would have to wonder about the true motive behind 9. (ooops, I used a dot!) Is it such a design and feature improvement from the last version release that they have to jump to Nien? Can someone say, Marketing, perhaps?

Remember what Linus T said about the next kernel release, 2point6, (paraphrased) "the changes are not significant enough to go to 3point0".

9 better rock or Red Hat is going to be accused of heavy marketing practices!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)


 

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pointless?

(Sorry. Someone had to say it.)

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its all in the name of commercializing linux...not a bad idea, but not a good one either

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Guys, I think it's a perfecly reasonable to upgrade to version 9 because it's not binary compatible with 8. There'd be tons of confusion if you they called it 8.1.

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It's interesting that nobody else mentioned this. It is the precise reason that they're incrementing the major number. That's always the way RedHat has handled binary compatability. *shrug*

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9 without a dot is a milestone!

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Didn't Sun once say they were "putting the dot in dot-com". Red Hat removing the dot parallels sysadmins removing Solaris and replacing it with Linux.

Sort of a stretch, but maybe they'll prove me wrong and start saying they're "removing the dot (Solaris) from dot-com".

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Instead of going to 8.1 (which would have been perceived a stable version), they are going to 9.

So, corporate customers will think more about going to enterprise edition rather than another dot-O version.

I think ultimately they will just loose out with this strategy, because most admins (even at big companies) know better and would simply go to another stable distro which does not charge those many $$$$

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Admins should be on the advanced series anyway, if they don't then they aren't good admins. That's just the way it is. The gpl edition makes a great desktop though.

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There are subtle and tell-tale signs that Red Hat is becoming a real company. As soon as they fire all but three of their engineers and hire 37000 more marketing VP's they will be just like a real silicon valley company.

Some excerpts:

    "7 - Step One: Drop the Dot, Step Two: [TBD], Step Three: PROFIT!!!! "

I think the fundamental reason to this is that having a dot in anything having to do with software is just too mind boggling and out of the educational league of any kind of "Step Three: PROFIT" money manager. We note that this dot concept is just too difficult, even though money itself has a single dot in it.

p.s.
Sill love my Linux Red Hat machine but am considering switching to a different Linux distro.


 

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I am the original author of this message, and I had an after thought.

Maybe Red Hat should offer a RHCDR cert. This stands for Red Hat certifified dot remover as no doubt, to ensure quality and uniformity, such certification will ultimately be required for all job positions. And next we could have "Red Hat certified quality dot removal inspection QA engineers" not to mention the "VP of QA dot removal inspection insurance". And this brings up the idea of dot removal quality inspection insurance reinsurance statistics, all future openings at Red Hat. (In the future Red Hat may be offering dot insurance, with members of the network receiving a discount on the monthly premium for insurance against possibility of dots failing the QA process and accidentally showing up in mysterious places.)

Incidentally, the author of this rancid insight is George F. Schils, and I work at www.FEREGO.com.

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This is a parody of South Park, the underpants gnomes...

Step 1: Collect underpants.
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit!!

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> Binary compatibility. RH always goes to x.0 when they don't preserve
> binary compatibility. Now you know why some people (like me) think it was
> silly to be calling it RH 8.1 beta in the newsgroups.

In the past, this was indeed the case. Red Hat Linux 9's
incorporation of NPTL does mean that certain applications that
function on older versions of Red Hat Linux (like 8.0) will not work
without intervention on Red Hat Linux 9. For example, some Java JVMs
do not work properly because they make certain assumptions about the
thread model that are no longer true. Most of these applications can
still be used by specifying that you wish the older thread libraries
to be used through LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5.

But there's something a bit more fundamental that I want people to be
aware of. In the past we would never have tackled something as
massive and invasive as a new threads implementation just after a ".0"
release (in this case, 8.0). We were able to do this, and bring this
great new technology to a mass audience, because we've changed the way
we consider technology to incorporate in Red Hat Linux. In the past
we would have felt it necessary to wait a while for a ".0" release
because we had to support a series of releases for years.

With the introduction of the full family of Red Hat Enterprise Linux
product we now have the flexibility to incorporate the best technology
that both the Open Source communities and Red Hat have to offer when
they're ready, instead of having to hold back.

One example of this sort of thing that caused a lot of negative
feedback in the past was the delayed incorporation of Python 2.0 in
the Red Hat Linux 7.x series. In the new model we would be able to
get the new releases of major subsystems like Python in the
distribution as soon as they have been proven stable.

I hope this sheds a little light on "why 9 and not 8.1".

Cheers,

Matt
msw@redhat.com

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This a is a larger release than most 0.1's but I still think skipping 3 versions is far too much to justify.

Anyway, PLEASE DO NOT CRIPPLE KDE, I know you all want your customers to like GNOME far more, but this is unfair!

The only things you should do are change icons, theme, and remove help THAT'S it. Everything else you did just screwed it up almost completely disbaling improtant features in some applications.

Also try to WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY! I saw what many of Redhat's employees said to KDE developers and even how they betrayed them at expositions by overstepping their word.

more info here: http://mosfet.org/noredhat.html But, there is far more than waht he mentions.

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but this is unfair!

Don't like it? Don't use it. Quit whining.

Prefer KDE to Gnome so much that you cannot stand using Red Hat's KDE? Then use one of the KDE distributions. But quit whining.

Red Hat is a Gnome distro, that's what they primarily do. If you don't like Gnome, I suggest Mandrake. It was started as a Red Hat clone that included KDE (back when Red Hat didn't include KDE). From what I hear, Mandrake's KDE is excellent. But please, whatever you do, quit whining about this issue.

This applies to all the people over the years who have sent countless posts polluting message boards with whiny posts bemoaning Red Hat's treatment of KDE.

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The Python argument was silly. I run whatever version of Python I choose, just by putting it in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/local. Actually, I have a couple of versions, and which I have choosen depends on how my path is set.

There wasn't anything wrong with having an old version in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/bin. I did think you were being a bit conservative, but that was a truely minor annoyance.

This, however... I don't understand why you thought it broke binary compatibility. Perhaps it did. If not, then I'm going to think that Red Hat has been taken over by marketers... with all that implies. I'm waiting for an explanation, and don't feel any pressing urgency to get one. But if one isn't fortcoming in a bit, then I'll switch to another distribution. I'm currently two, in a slightly more-active-than-usual mode.

Mind you, I don't need a really stable system. Otherwise I'd be on either Red Hat 7.3 (and not even considering 9), or possibly Debian. But I don't want to spend a lot of time fighting with it, either.

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Need I say more?

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In few years we will get RH Linux 95<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;> I can't wait to see that!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D

Regards,
kris23 (Poland)

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I think they should drop all numerical classifications and go to a more literary expression such as: Red > Bigger Red > Really Big Red > Almost Biggest Red > Biggest Red Yet, etc

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2 - We were afraid that calling it "Release 9 From Outer Space" would get us sued.

Lucent? Vita Nuova? Ed Wood family? No, Ed Wood is too cool for his family to sue somebody<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)

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"RedHat has changed the light-bulb above the door on the storage shack out back."

Jesus! Who does RH think they are! You MARKETERS! You dirty MARKETERs!

Can someone say MArketting! I can't believe you guys practice MARKETTING!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...

What was I bi tCh'n about...

Oh yeah

I Can't believe redhat wont support 6.0 anymore. Jesus. I can't believe it!

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Why call it 9? Because XP was already taken.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Flames to the usual place.

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Red Hat 1337. That would kick ass.

Red Hat 9 seems to be quite good though. I think I will settle for that on the computer that's running RH. At least until 1337 is out.

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With all dats goin on rite now, we could sure use some humor.

The no. 9 in mandrain sounds just like alcohol/liquor. perhaps the guys at RH were hoping for more free beer?

cheers!

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:01:18 +0100 (CET)
From: Robert M. Stockmann
To: bruce@perens.com, esr@thyrsus.com, rms@stallman.org, torvalds@transmeta.com
Subject: End of the community?

Hi,

I watched Revolution OS today on DVD and it stroke me that these guys need you to test their software. Thats basicly their revenue of OSS.

However beware of abusers of that principle. A possible abuse scenario could be the debugging of gentoo. On a irc channel: "don't you see , you are just debugging those emerge scripts? when the work is finally done, you can buy the shrinkwrapped box in your favorate store<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)"

We all know windows is exit and has been killed by M$ management last year. No happy end pending. end of story. M$ played itself lock tight, no escape possible. Now the whole load of the IT burden hangs on the shoulders of Linux and OSS and alike software. Well it could very easy be that the burden will be too great. (maybe too pessimistic?)

Now that the burden is growing, its pretty tempting for certain company's to abuse the ideals of free and open source software. RedHat is IMHO already going into such roads. They released RedHat 9 a couple of days ago. No-one is yelling yet that:

• The author of "RedHat 8.0 unleashed" didn't sell any books yet, and now his book is redundant.
  
• The downloadable versions 8 and 9 suck badly , are slow and are full of bugs.
  

And now RedHat will tell you : "Ahh you want a solid version... well, we have Advanced Server, Enterprise Ed. Server, and Enterprise Workstation".

The problem of that is :

• They cost a fortune.
  
• Linux was a low cost OS?
  
• Because they cost a fortune, independant linux admins cannot give you advise of those expensive redhat versions.
  
• The blue suits selling that expensive linux stuff are the only ones who can advise you. And then you get the old commercial unix situation found at IBM (AIX), HP (HPUX) etc...
  

So whats new? RedHat is killing open source basicly. The community as we have known sofar will stop to exist. Hence the big power of Open Source dies.

Redhat has taken a rather long time to arrive where they are now :

They apparently still have a nice product : Redhat Advanced Server. But today they slam the frontdoor closed. The community which tested and used RedHat versions 3, 4.x 5.x 6.x 7.x for them is kindly asked to leave the building. The "community" of former windoze clickers is now emerging as a 'new community' who are happy with the marketing trash called redhat 8 and 9.

So IMHO the good old ideal of Free and Open Source Software has died on RedHat.

Regards,

Robert
--
Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
Network Engineer - UNIX Consultant
crashrecovery.org stock@stokkie.net

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What a moron. The SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!

"The downloadable versions 8 and 9 suck badly , are slow and are full of bugs."

Do you even use Red Hat? Have you even deployed Red Hat 8 anywhere to make such comments?

Oh and he CC'd people who frankly couldn't give a crap because they are busy actually "doing things" rather then ranting on a board about things he doesn't understand.

I have to wonder if he is yet another one of those KDE zealots bemoaning that they broke KDE, etc with patches that were eventually merged in upstream branches as being a "good thing" (think freedesktop.org).

WHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

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number 9 number 9 number 9 number 9 number 9
yug daed no em nrut yug daed no em nrut
number 9 number 9 number 9 number 9 number 9
yug daed no em nrut yug daed no em nrut
number 9 number 9 number 9 number 9 number 9
yug daed no em nrut yug daed no em nrut

9 is going to have subliminal backwards messages
to brain wash unsuspecting youth into the commie/pinko/treehugging oss camp.

(all tongue in cheek, even though I am a socialist/tree hugger)

tony

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btw, I did want to note that I have been satisfied with RH 8.0 which I am using at home.
(boohoo no mp3 support....it's called, "go to freshrpms.net and download...duh! I'm a relative newbie, an English teacher, with only 1 year of linux experience and I figured that out.)
All the same, recent developments have left me pondering a move to Debian or Gentoo...two distros with a firm rep for standing on FREE and OSS. Part of that consideration is a desire to learn more, anyway, and not become distro dependent.

tony

http://www.school-library.net
Freedom to Learn!

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>The problem of that is :
>
>
> * They cost a fortune.
> * Linux was a low cost OS?

Check the pricing before you say that. Red Hat Enteprise ES/WS have comparable pricing to a boxed set of Red Hat Linux Professional. They are a bit more, but there are service entitlements, the errata/support cycle is longer, etc.

> Red Hat is killing open source basicly.

By getting into the enterprise? By getting it into the government?

You're right, financial success is always a harbinger of doom. Last I checked there are plenty of Linux distributions out there, each with their own slant and audience. Nothing we do at Red Hat can undo what's being done elsewhere.

Hopefully ou haven't frightened Stallman, Raymond, Torvalds and Perens into new lines of work.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-D

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I've been a Red Hat user since Hedwig or 6.0. Now I have to ask why are you going to version 9 from 8.0? Just because you put new threading libraries in the kernel doesn't warrant a whole number release version. Moreover, it's not even 9.0. I ALWAYS look forward to the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.1 release.

Your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.0 releases historically have been unstable or unrefined. 7.0 and 8.0 were big disappointments and you've never seemed to impress me since 7.2 or 6.2. I do use 8.0, since I think that I need to stay current with Red Hat. I've been a desktop technician for 4 years and I am looking to get into server administration or Systems Engineer. I hoped and pushed for Red Hat.

Linux advances to quickly to use whole number releases. You'll need to redesign the RHCT and RHCE to your enterprise releases. I would be a fool to pay you the money for these certifications if I know they'll be obsolete in one year. I can get my LPI and Solaris certs and if anybody knows anything about UNIX/Linux then that'll be enough. I would rather have an RHCE, but you are making it to difficult to keep.

For some reason I thought Red Hat could redeem itself for the 8.0 release and clean it up, offer an up to date kernel, the latest X and updated applications. Instead you make it harder for people to get 3D acceleration going, you screw up the release version number and again botch the C libraries. WOW I can run an old version of Ximian Evolution, an old version of Mozilla and Freecell faster, THANKS you guys are really bleeding edge man!

Are you out of your minds? Has success blinded you so severely that you are out of touch with reality.

You are going to eat yourselves from the inside out. While people are watching SuSE 8.1 dominate over Red Hat 9, I can't emphasize NINE enough, I'll be forced to laugh. I actually look forward to discussing with my fellow IS colleagues how SuSE 8.2 totally destroys Red Hat 10(that's TEN!) in functionality. See SuSE and a heck of a lot of other Linux distributions understand what people want in Linux. And that is compatibility.

I have to ask myself, "Why is Red Hat removing themselves from the mainstream?".

I loved Red Hat, Red Hat started and still lives in my backyard. I'm a computer junkie that likes to say, "look at this gorgeous Operating System" isn't it just the most beautiful thing you've ever seen. God if I could only work for Red Hat! But no longer can I say that. On a side note Blucurve!, UGH!, does anybody really take this theme seriously. One look at it and I'm ready for some sort of Fisher-Price toy game to start. One look at it and my IS department laughed. Ximian-South baby!

I'll let my Red Hat network(which I bought before I knew about the POSIX libraries, UGH!) subscription run out and tell everyone in my IS department and the internet and the world to avoid Red Hat, they're nothing more than an internet appliance. Debian gives you a secure and super stable server(say that 3 times). SuSE is better at being locked down on the workstation level. We can phase out Word(SINCE WE CAN RUN WORD) and start them slowly on Star Office.

I can go home and play a game with 3D acceleration on my SuSE or Gentoo machine, but not my Red Hat machine, they just want to run Java apps and this old version of Evolution faster, again GEE THANKS!

If Ximian came out with their own Linux distribution, I'd have to say Red Hat would be a memory and NCSU would have to paint the building and lease it to someone else.

Goodnight my sweet prince I've finally given up hope on my beloved Red Hat OS.

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oh well, for perks, call it RED BUTT 9

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I don't have time right now to point out the contradictions in the parent post, but I am sure the readers can find them. The poster claims to be a long time user of Red Hat, yet in more than one place, he demonstrates that he knows nothing about Red Hat or its policies. The poster claims to be outraged at Red Hat, yet in other places he demonstrates that he does not hold other distros to the same standard.

The question is, why do we see so much FUD and astroturf aimed at Red Hat, but not at other distributions?

For example, why don't we see these sorts of attacks on SuSE, when SuSE's support policies are very similar to Red Hat's, SuSE has introduced some proprietary hooks which Red Hat has never done, and SuSE is making deals to carry Microsoft Office (using Crossover) and thus helping increase Microsoft's desktop lock-in?

Or why are there so many attacks on Red Hat for creating a unified KDE and Gnome desktop, but so few attacks on Xandros for dropping Gnome altogether?

Why?

Is it because Red Hat is the largest pure Linux company, has reached profitability, and is one of the the strongest supporters of Open Source? That would make Red Hat the biggest threat to Microsoft, and thus a target.

Or is it perhaps because Microsoft controls Trolltech? After all, proprietary Qt-based applications are locking in more and more Linux users.

Or is it perhaps both? Or maybe there are other reasons?

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Amen. I was a dedicated RedHat user. I was even facinated with it back when I was unfamaliar with Linux and only used Windows. Sorry to say but 7.3 was the last respectable RedHat release. He's right - BlueCurve is a joke, and the bullshit that RedHat does has gone on long enough. People are going to stop going for whatever just cause "it's redhat". Out of the box, RedHat has a broken glibc, hacked XFree86, hacked qt libraries, and God knows what else. Mandrake now uses a integrated desktop as well, but at least you can tell when you're in GNOME and when you're in KDE (although I'm opposed to all integrated desktops and think at MOST they should be optional).

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Here, here... and amen to the above.
Bob G.

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I went to RH website when it was announced that there was going to be a version 9. I was not able to find out what was being added to 9 to give me reason to use 9.
I only went to v.8.0 recently and really wish that I hadn't...But that is another story.

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It's just a bloody number, it's no big deal.

In my opinion, though, it may have something to do with Mandrake seeming to be a step ahead of RedHat. Now that they're on par, they want to make things look more even.

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I'm glad to see Red Hat trying to come up with the best way to promote LINUX. After all this really the only company in the business world that may be around for awhile. Yes, I know that you all are saying we don't need that, but think the more people using linux the better the software and fixes, and less bugs. How many of us have to use M.S. all day (at work) and then come home and use linux and complain about having to use M.S. I hope this is one step closer in getting to use linux all day!!

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verion in windows world are
from x to x.1 to x.2 to y

in linux world they are

  (you all know how)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. from
x.x.1 to x.x.2 to x.1.76
may be to x.3.45 to y.x.1

redhat tries to find a way to sell
more to windows users.

but untill they are in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.rpm epoch nothing

  can help them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)))

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i think they might come up witb 9 disk in their distribution.... it is a funny one....

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So when 9.5 is out it'll be RedHat 95

rofl

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If SUN can put the dot in DOT COM - RedHat can surely take it out<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....

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