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Microsoft's 'Men in Black' kill Florida open standards legislation

By Robin 'Roblimo' Miller & others* on April 17, 2007 (8:00:00 AM)

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It was just a bit of text advocating open data formats that was slipped into a Florida State Senate bill at the last minute with no fanfare, but within 24 hours three Microsoft-paid lobbyists, all wearing black suits, were pressuring members of the Senate Committee on Governmental Operations (COGO) to remove the words they didn't like from Senate bill 1974.

Here's the text the Microsoft-paid lobbyists didn't like:

28  ...(1) By July 1, 2009, the Agency for
29  Enterprise Information Technology shall develop a plan and a
30  business case analysis for the creation, exchange, and
31  maintenance of documents by state agencies in an open format

                                 34
   10:16 AM   03/28/07    s1974p-go00-pd3


   Florida Senate - 2007     PROPOSED COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE
   Bill No. SB 1974
                       Barcode 565342   585-1947A-07
1  that is capable of being:
2         (a)  Published without restrictions or royalties;
3         (b)  Fully and independently implemented by multiple
4  software providers on multiple platforms without any
5  intellectual property reservations for necessary technology;
6  and
7         (c)  Controlled by an open industry organization having
8  a well-defined inclusive process for evolution of the
9  standard.
10         (2)  Each state agency must be able to receive
11  electronic documents in an open, extensible markup
12  language-based file format for office applications and may not
13  change documents to a file format used by only one vendor.
14         (3)  The Agency for Enterprise Information Technology
15  shall develop rules for state agencies to follow in
16  determining whether existing electronic documents must be
17  converted to an open, extensible markup language-based file
18  format. In developing guidelines under this subsection, the
19  agency shall consider:
20         (a)  The cost of converting electronic documents;
21         (b)  The need for public access to the documents; and
22         (c)  The expected storage life of the documents.

SB 1974's overall intent was -- and still is -- to create "an Agency for Enterprise Information Technology within the Executive Office of the Governor."

The "Hey, let's check out open standards" language was added at the request of Rep. Ed Homan, who first got interested in open standards (and open source) when he found out the state was thinking about spending many millions of dollars to upgrade computers and software for its Department of Health, and started to wonder if using open source might not save taxpayers some money.

As chair of the House Committee on Audit & Performance, Homan is supposed to help keep the state from wasting tax money on overpriced goods and services. And since in "real life" (the Florida legislature is a part-time gig for most members) Homan is Doctor Ed Homan, M.D., Orthopedic Surgeon and assistant professor at the University of South Florida College of Medicine, he has a special interest in the Health Administration and health matters in general.

But until recently, Dr. Homan knew little about open source or why open standards for computer files mattered to anyone. He learned about the topics because his son, Doug Homan, is a software developer who once prided himself on his Microsoft certification, but gradually grew disgusted with Microsoft products and found himself turning to more open development tools for the bulk of his work.

Doug Homan is not on his father's staff, nor is he a member of any open source group. He first got interested in open source advocacy, he says, because he was "concerned with the digital divide in education." He says, "It's a public citizen thing for me," rather than a political matter in and of itself.

A failed attempt at stealth legislation

Rep. Homan and his son Doug tried to add their little open standards boost to SB 1974 as quietly as possible. They wanted the modified bill to at least get through its first committee approval before anyone spotted what they had done. But Microsoft's Florida lobbyists were on the ball and spotted it almost immediately.

"It was like the movie 'Men in Black,'" says Rep. Homan. "Three Microsoft lobbyists, all wearing black suits."

Another lobbyist (unaffiliated with Microsoft) who would speak only "on background" laughed at the "Men in Black" description. "I know those guys," he said. "They even wear sunglasses like in that movie. They are the 'Men in Black' of Florida lobbying, for sure."

A legislative staff employee who would lose his job if he were quoted here by name said, "By the time those lobbyists were done talking, it sounded like ODF (Open Document Format, the free and open format used by OpenOffice.org and other free software) was proprietary and the Microsoft format was the open and free one."

Two other legislative employees (who must also remain anonymous) told Linux.com that the Microsoft lobbyists implied that elected representatives who voted against Microsoft's interests might have a little more trouble raising campaign funds than they would if they helped the IT giant achieve its Florida goals.

Note that lobbyists for IBM, Sun Microsystems, and Novell -- the only three companies with a major interest in open source who have registered lobbyists in Florida -- did not weigh in on this matter. Microsoft was the only company whose lobbyists openly displayed interest in whether Florida should consider legislation that would officially make state agencies a little friendlier to open software standards than they are now.

On the other side, though, word of Rep. Homan's requested addition to SB 1974 also leaked out to more than a few open source activists, notably University of Florida political science student Gavin Baker.

Baker posted a long, detail-filled article on the UF-based Florida Free Culture blog about this legislation that was also sent to at least a few Florida Linux Users Group email lists -- and helped stir at least a little awareness that there just might be some potential for increased open standards-friendliness in Florida government.

Legislators don't seem to understand what's going on here

Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) member Matt Florell sent a message to the group's email list that said, in part, "I called the offices of my state senator (Charlie Justice) and representative (Bill Heller) about this, and of course neither knew anything about this issue, but they thanked me for my input and would call me back if they get a chance...."

SLUG member Aaron Steimle sent this email:

I called [Senate Committee on Governmental Operations member] Al Lawson, left a message. I called Bill Posey [another member] and talked with a staff member (sorry didn't write down his name). First, the staff member I talked with was extremely nice and helpful. [He] didn't know anything about that particular bill but looked it up and explained to be about how things are added and removed. He also gave me the number of the Senate Operations Governing Committee (SOGC) (I am pretty sure that's what it was). He said this is where I would find out why the amendment was taken out.

I call the SOGC and talked with Ray Wilson, another very helpful human. Wilson explained that the committee doesn't need a reason to reject any portion of a bill, which I thought was a great democratic procedure for our constitutional representative democratic republic. So as we have it, our elected representatives do not have to explain to their constituents why they remove sections of bills that greatly affect us. But in this case, they did give an explanation. The clear and precise explanation for removing a "...plan and a business case analysis for creation, exchange, and maintenance of documents by state agencies in an open format" in a bill "...which includes defining architecture standards for information technology & developing strategic information technology plan..." was that it was outside the direction of the bill.

This is a situation that validates the failure in our constitution and the degradation of political system. Lobbyists should not be allowed in government for a company that has a monopoly on a market. If Microsoft wants to have the governments use Microsoft products, they should donate them to the government and get a tax writeoff for it. I should not have to pay taxes so government employees can use substandard expensive software.

Another SLUG member wrote, "Each county gov (and school board) in Florida has an IT head honcho. I would think those honchos get their budgets squeezed on a regular basis. They should be recruited as lobbyists for open standards."

UF student Gavin Baker called Committee on Governmental Operations member Steve Oelrich, who represents him in the State Senate, and spoke to a staffer he says was "totally clueless."

Baker pointed Oelrich's staff (and us) to a presentation he gave last October called Sustaining the Information Society: New (and Old) Conflicts in the Knowledge Economy. Said presentation -- be sure to view the slides -- points out that use of open data formats isn't just about short-term financial savings, but is also about long-term preservation of knowledge; that proprietary data formats come and go at a dizzying rate, but with open, standardized ones we have a chance to read today's saved information in 50 or 500 years, even if Microsoft or Corel or (fill in popular word processor vendor) is long gone, along with its patented or otherwise "protected" data formats.

We, the citizens, need to educate our lawmakers

Florida is just one of 50 US states (plus territories and the District of Columbia) where open standards -- not to mention open source software -- would save taxpayers money and make "the people's" data accessible to all, not just to those who buy a particular company's products. But few legislators know about such things, and when they do hear about software it tends to be in the context of competing vendors vying for the state's business. Now, for 200 virtual points worth exactly $00.00 in real life, answer this one-question quiz:

"Which software and/or operating system vendor has the largest marketing budget?"

  1. Microsoft
  2. Canonical
  3. LynuxWorks
  4. The Mozilla Foundation
Well, it seems you all got that question right. So let's try a follow-up:

"Which software and/or operating system vendor spends the most money lobbying Florida elected officials (and presumably others, elsewhere)?"

  1. Microsoft
  2. Canonical
  3. LynuxWorks
  4. The Mozilla Foundation
Same answer, right? At least, it is as far as we can tell when we look at public information about Florida lobbyists and the organizations or companies they represent.

Florida lobbyists are currently required to report only broad "ranges" of how much they take in from each client, but in the case of Microsoft, you can see that they spent a minimum of $100,000 -- and possibly more than $200,000 -- in combined executive and legislative branch lobbying activities. Note that this does not include lobbying Florida's federal representatives or any of the state's many county and local government bodies, nor does it include sales salaries, commissions, or other sales expenses. Those are separate -- and for all we know, may add up to far more than Microsoft's Florida lobbying budget.

And arrayed against Microsoft's financial muscle we have ... you. That is, we have Linux users and open source advocates and public-spirited citizens who know enough about this issue to explain to their representatives why open data formats are important.

This year's legislative session ends May 4. The chances of getting anything done by then are more or less zero. But Florida open source and open standards advocates will have another chance next year, especially if between now and then our legislators (plus the governor and Florida's top IT staffers) hear from a whole lot of voters about how open standards and open source are good for all Florida residents, while proprietary standards and software primarily benefit the companies that supply them.

Are there enough Florida voters who care enough about open standards and open source to overcome the combined financial might of Microsoft's lobbying and sales forces, plus their many distributors, and other businesses (think anti-virus vendors!) who depend on Microsoft products to make money?

There's only one way to find out....

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*Ken Barber, Eldo Varghese, Gavin Baker, Aaron Steimle, and several others helped research this story either by providing links to research material or by calling their elected representatives and sharing the results of those calls with this article's primary author. Think of this as an elementary experiment in crowdsourced journalism similar to what is being done by AssignmentZero.

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Re:We need organization to do the right thing

Posted by: roblimo on April 18, 2007 03:56 AM
You might want to start by helping <a href="http://uf.freeculture.org/" title="freeculture.org">freeculture.org</a freeculture.org>'s UF chapter "spread the gospel" to other campuses around the state. And yes, work with LUGs.

I'll write more articles about open source advocacy as time goes on.

Note that right now, the biggest problem in Florida (and many other places) is that most politicians don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about when you say "open standards" or "open source."

Education is the key.

- Robin

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Lose or win?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 09:21 PM
First they fight,
then they lose<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

The problem is that it is sooooo easy to realize what Microsoft is plotting. Its like a corporation of the 1980s, and it has hardly learned anything.

Money is still where they can put leverage, and trivial patents play into their hands as well.
But nothing can stop Microsoft from slowly becoming irrelevant since it is simply unable to keep up the pace of real inventions and innovations.

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Dream on

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 10:31 PM

What are you smoking?


Microsoft has won every battle. This month in Florida, it just won another one.


We have a chance and we should fight against the stifling Microsoft monopoly. But Microsoft is not anywhere close to losing at this point.

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MS even more dangerous now than before

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 05:49 AM
You are almost right. Microsoft have won *almost* every battle (one exception is Munich, another is Extremadura, and a third is Venezuela--but these are exceptions). The corporation still has billion$ in cash to influence politicians, and if anything, MS are even *more* dangerous now...because they're scared. Remember, the vast majority of the employees there are stockholders.

We need to treat Microsoft like the viper that they are--fight them at every opportunity. That includes exposing crap that they do, as described in this article<a href="mailto:spitz@cmosnetworks.com" title="mailto">.</a mailto>

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Re:Dream on

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 06:17 PM
Well... almost correct. Except that Microsoft HAS begun to loose. They began when they lost the API battle to Java.

The common thread since then has been the delayed wake-ups Microsoft has been displaying.

The internet, Java, open document standards... all examples of Microsoft reacting rather than acting.

But of course, you're correct in that the fight is far from decided at this point. New, innovative, standards-based developments must continue at this high speed that the Open Source community is capable of, to ensure that the war is decided in the direction beneficial to all consumers of software.

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Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 09:43 PM
The issues with this bill are endless. Look at this quote "tried to add their little open standards boost to SB 1974 as quietly as possible. They wanted the modified bill to at least get through its first committee approval before anyone spotted what they had done". Putting your rage against Microsoft aside for a moment, don't you think that there is a major problem when people are trying to sneak legislation by? Saying that Microsoft forces people to operate in this fashion is a ludicrous assertion! Why must this supposedly wonderful and noble legislation be sneaked in?

They complain about three men in black suits but, what about the two hicks in blue jeans and Birkenstocks(Rep. Homan and his son Doug) trying to force stealth legislation on the people of Florida? Where's the outrage about that?

Then there is Robin's cutesy and innocent sounding language "The "Hey, let's check out open standards" language". Only thing is that the bill didn't say let's check it out. The bill mandated a deadline for a plan to implement a document standard. Mandating a plan is a far cry from 'Let's check it out'. But, again, the facts don't suit Robin's viewpoint so he makes up his own.

The issues are endless and they are much bigger than Microsoft and open document standards. But, you go ahead and get your knickers in a knot over Microsoft. NO ONE in Florida, besides Linux.com readers, heard about any of this and even if they had, NO ONE would have cared! You may be surprised to know that Florida has bigger issues right now than document standards. Issues like property taxes and the inability to get home owners insurance are a bit more pressing to Floridians with a life than what twits feel are Microsoft's shenannigans!

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Ouch!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 10:16 PM
Robin, struck a nerve? If Florida could start saving a little here and there then maybe the momentum might cascade throughout the whole state infrastructure...

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Re:Ouch!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:43 AM
What you suggest is like pissing in the sea, not that it shouldn't be reviewed. It'll make no difference in the grand scheme. E.g. my local county increased its budget from 1.4b to 1.9b. Yes that's right, an increase of 1/2 billion dollars in just one year. We are 98% developed. All this money is wasted on internal pay rises (44%!) and stupid fringe projects. This is just one county. No one can afford to move, the property tax hit is beyond most people's capability to earn.

Insurance is just as bad, assuming you can even get it. Rates are increasing 70+% per year because a bunch of mobile homes got smashed in the hurricanes 3 years ago. The insurance companies have to justify their increases to the FL state govt, they ALWAYS get granted the rights to charge what they like. A number of people cannot even get property insurance now, and that has nothing to do with being on the water or having made a claim.

Also, don't forget the open-source famed city of Largo is in FL. Their efforts have not spread anywhere.

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how much did you get for your soul?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 10:21 PM
how much did you get for your soul?

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I dunno...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 10:26 PM
maybe some government cash would be saved if ODF was mandated? And maybe that could mean lower property taxes and/or subsidies to home owners?

I agree with you on the stealth-move, although it was interesting to see how quick the lobbyists were onto it. However you might want to take a look at <a href="http://www.ebudget.state.fl.us/" title="state.fl.us">http://www.ebudget.state.fl.us/</a state.fl.us> and search for "Information Technology". License costs are in the tens/hundreds of millions of dollars. And they are coming right out of your pocket...

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:58 AM
He's got a point, sneeking legislation in _is_ as wrong as lobbying

However the key diffence here is that the Homans are useing immorall methods to do a very good thing, move to open standards. The Men In Black are useing equally wrong methods to do a bad thing.

This makes the Homans the lesser of two evils, so we should support them in this.

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 01:53 AM
Aren't riders (to bills) a common practice? It isn't a good system, but it is the system. I am a resident of Florida where I live and conduct a business intimately tied to computers (closed source and open source software included).
Mandating open source document standards is in our best interest. The "Florida has bigger issues" has nothing to do with the topic. There are ALWAYS more pressing issues than stopping a monopoly, or allowing information to be accessed without any ties to one company. We are at war, there are starving people all over the world, the environment is being destroyed by the minute, crime is high, the economy is unstable, etc. Now, you are saying let's concentrate on those issues and let Microsoft dictate the formats data is stored in, and force us to purchase their software and do things their way because there are bigger issues to worry about.
Your thinking, according to your post, is to let the big companies make all our choices, who cares that big tobacco kills thousands of people, big oil is destroying the environment, big software is illegally stifling competition, etc. I don't trust that these big companies have my best interest at heart.

Cheers,

Alex Chejlyk

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 02:16 AM
Mandating open source document standards is in our best interest.

And exactly how does mandating the use of open source benefit us? Do you mean by the cost savings? At the expense of productivity? I would have to say that mandating ANY standard should be unnecessary. The "market force" of best product for the job should decide the standard and not arbitrary legislation.

Now, you are saying let's concentrate on those issues and let Microsoft dictate the formats data is stored in

No, the people that tried to consciously sneak this legislation in are the ones that are attempting to dictate the standard.

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 02:58 AM
I'll comment on your statement:
"The "market force" of best product for the job should decide the standard and not arbitrary legislation"

Hmm. Microsoft is a _convicted_ monopolist - which implies that we're witnessing what economists call - a _market_failure_ ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_failure" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_failure</a wikipedia.org> )<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..

I wont comment on the rest of your post since none of it makes any sense and since that might encourage you in posting more of that uninsightful drivel.

sheesh.. and I'm not even a Linux nut.

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WRONG! Open Standards not = Open Source

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 05:53 AM
Whoever you are, you clearly don't know how to do your homework. Here, let me clue you in...or rather, I'll point you to an accomplished lawyer who can. His name is Andy Updegrove.

<a href="http://www.consortiuminfo.org/" title="consortiuminfo.org">http://www.consortiuminfo.org/</a consortiuminfo.org>

Mr. Updegrove explains very eloquently the difference between open *standards* and open *source*. They are not even close to the same thing. Not even close.

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Administrator on April 18, 2007 03:21 AM
If you are the same person who posted earlier about being a Linux advocate and user for the last 8 years, you sure do have your systems messed up.

Open Standards != Open Source

Open standards - think HTML for web pages (REAL HTML as designated by the W3C consortia, not the stupidized stuff that MS tries to push as a standard that is incompatible with W3C) is an international standard that is controlled by an international agency. Where does open source come into the picture when describing HTML? IE (proprietary program) can use the W3C standardized HTML format just as well as the proprietary crap that MS puts into it.

The legislation was added to look into open STANDARDS, not open SOURCE. Just because the open source programs do standards better than most proprietary programs should give you something of a clue.

And, just to remind you - there should be legislation dictating open STANDARDS (rather than open source, which you keep confusing between the two), since not every one has the ability to afford proprietary programs in order to read PUBLIC documents. you seem to keep missing that point repeatedly as well.

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 06:10 PM
'Railroad' bills (riders) have been very popular for about 90 years now. I often wonder how much of the budget is spent on 'railroad clauses'. I wish we'd get rid of riders but they're very well established and something of a tradition now. The more unusual thing here is Microsoft's intercession. Everyone knows choice and free market are communist ideals, so the MS goons were just making sure Florida remained nice and democratic and didn't appoint Fidel Castro as governor. Don't you just love fascism?

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 07:05 PM
seems its "ok" for FOSS to play dirty, and sneak in riders at the last minute,

im glad they were caught out with the dirty play, no wonder few if any trust FOSS anymore.

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 19, 2007 05:51 AM
"what about the two hicks in blue jeans and Birkenstocks(Rep. Homan and his son Doug)"

Do you really know what this "hick" orthopedic surgeon Rep. Homan wears, or are you just making stuff up?

"trying to force stealth legislation on the people of Florida?"

Riders get attached to bills routinely. There is nothing sneaky about it.

"NO ONE in Florida, besides Linux.com readers, heard about any of this and even if they had, NO ONE would have cared!"

Bullshit. I live in Tampa and I care a lot about open standards.

"Issues like property taxes and the inability to get home owners insurance are a bit more pressing to Floridians with a life than what twits feel are Microsoft's shenannigans!"

Sure, other things may be more pressing or important, but so what? What relevance does that have to the merit of the proposed legislation? It is like Microsoft pointing out that their license fees are only a small percentage of the cost of using computers (so if it is only a small percentage, we shouldn't object to just letting them have it whether or not they deserve it???)

Requiring open standards for government business is a no-brainer. Of course the public needs control over public data, "even if" it loosens the lock-in of the monopolist.

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Check Again.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 19, 2007 09:50 AM
Riders get attached to bills routinely. There is nothing sneaky about it.

Perhaps you should reread the article. In it Robin says; they "tried to add their little open standards boost to SB 1974 as quietly as possible." Riders may be routine but, this was definitely an attempt to sneak it in.

"NO ONE in Florida, besides Linux.com readers, heard about any of this and even if they had, NO ONE would have cared!"

Bullshit. I live in Tampa and I care a lot about open standards.


You live in Tampa?! Woop dee doo. You also read Linux.com, as I said. Why don't you go ask your next door neighbor what he thought of this pressing issue. I'd wager the response to be something like; 'What are you yammering on about, Bubba? And what makes you think I care about any of this?'

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Re:Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Administrator on April 17, 2007 10:47 PM

OK, first of all I need to disclose my bias: My name is mentioned in this article.


don't you think that there is a major problem when people are trying to sneak legislation by?


No. This is simply the way the system works.


You state repeatedly that "the issues [with this bill] are endless", yet you don't bother pointing out any of them. You talk about the people involved, you talk about Robin's reporting, you claim that no one cares... but you don't bother mentioning ANY issues that pertain to the bill itself!


Perhaps there's a reason why you're posting anonymously... you wouldn't happen to have a dog in this fight, would you? Hmmm??

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Re: Issues Are Endless

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 65.206.108.4] on September 01, 2007 01:39 AM
This is what happens when you have conflict. Microsoft proved by very rapid response that they where watching and ready to act. Notice they did not expect it to make it to legislation they only wanted to make noise. I am glad they did. The "Men in black" incident is now history and shows the colors of all parties.

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understandable

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 10:56 PM
It does make me mad that in a place where you should have openness and freedom, in the government, that there is vendor lock-in, so that only the people who pay that vendor money can have access to government information that should be free. No wonder MS lobbies hard for it.

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This sucks.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 11:08 PM
How can OpenSource and the like get anywhere when the 'competition' can simply send it's goons around?

If this is free enterprise (as some call it) I would not want to see a monopoly.

More people need to lobby for governments to start using open document formats. They can't send the goons round to every government in the world.

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Re:This sucks.

Posted by: Administrator on April 17, 2007 11:53 PM
How can OpenSource and the like get anywhere when the 'competition' can simply send it's goons around?

Q. How can Mohandas Ghandi expect to get rid of British Imperial Rule and achieve independance for India when "the competition" can just send its soldiers around?


A. Because we don't have to "beat the competition" to win. We just have to do the right thing no matter what they say or do, and outlast them.


Think about it. If OpenSource software is the best software available for a particular task, some percentage of people/business/government will be foresighted enough to use it. We should not have to mandate its use. And if come people use the software, more will come. OpenSource software has always been about doing what is right, and letting others do it too. It should not be about just another restriction of choice.


When we start restricting other people's freedom of choice because we believe it to be "in their best interests, overall" we become a nanny state, and more opressive than the original regime, because now we have self-righteous justification for our actions, not just greed.

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Why Do You Abuse Children?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 11:22 PM
Ok. Let me disclose my LACK of bias. I'm not listed in the article and do not work for or enjoy financial gain from ANY of the parties involved. Let me go on to say that while I have used Linux exclusively for business and personal computing for the past 8 years, I am NOT one of these zealots that fantasizes about a utopian society brought about by Linux and free software. Indeed, I frequently rail against Linux.com articles just like this one because they are so bent on this pathetic mentality. It's software! It's not religion!

No. This is simply the way the system works.

You are implying that I should simply accept and learn to live with a system that is both corrupt and broken. Sorry, I'm unwilling to accept that. Submarine legislation needs to stop and I will continue to demand such until it comes to pass, no matter how futile you feel it to be.

Indeed, it is that hypocritical idea that annoys me most about this article. 'Ooh Microsoft is teh evil for lobbying against the bill.' but it's all fair play for some schmuck to sneak their pet pork into law because THEY think it's acceptable? Hell no!

you claim that no one cares... but you don't bother mentioning ANY issues that pertain to the bill itself!

Why on earth would I waste my energy prattling on about matters which NO ONE cares about? I am not a politician and I don't waste my energy on such stupidity.

you wouldn't happen to have a dog in this fight, would you? Hmmm??

Yes I do have an interest in this. I am an IT professional with a major personal interest in Linux and a resident of Florida. I also try to be level headed and look at the bigger picture. That allows me to see that biased articles about relatively unimportant issues like document file formats are inconsequential in comparison to larger issues like taxes and home owners insurance. It also allows me to see that your pathetic attempts to cast aspersions and innuendo about my anonymity are nothing more than an old Microsoft tactic of creating Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) in order to distract from the matter at hand.

I think I will cast some asspersions of my own in an equally transparrent attempt to draw you out and redirict the issue. Why do you abuse children?

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And did you quit beating your spouse? Yes or No

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:25 AM
n/t

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No. The Bitch Keeps Asking For It! You?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:31 AM
n/t t/n

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This is ecpected

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 17, 2007 11:46 PM
Did anybody here realy think microsoft was going to let this go by.. the people at micrsoft would sell their souls to the devil for a liscence to microsoft products.

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Holy Crap!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:29 AM
Someone on Linux.com with vision, intelligence, balance, lack of zealotry???? Someone with a clue?

<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/me head explodes due to paradoxical overload.

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Anti-Trust? Would MS actions interest judge?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:49 AM
Thinking of the anti-trust deal. Would MS fighting open source in gov. be an example of an anti-competition practice?

If so - would a certain judge be interested in hearning about it?

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We need organization to do the right thing

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 01:42 AM
We need the help of someone who is politically knowledgeable, to guide the common citizens, and show us how we can make a difference. It's obvious that contacting your representatives office just gets you a nice assistant/staff member, who can not help. You will not be able to actually talk to anyone important.

If a politician, or at least a political science major who understands how government works, can offer suggestions, addresses, email addresses, forms, and other critical ways to communicate, the community could organize this information for interested parties to be heard.

Anybody out there want to pitch in with some political guidance? Let's talk to the LUGs and see if we can get some web pages brought up, and information past around our communities.

Danny
dwlists atdot cfl(.)rr(.)com

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Re:Florida state government is OWNED...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 02:31 AM
Interesting comment considering the guy who tried to get this into legislation is a REPUBICAN!!

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So it's illegal to vote for Microsoft's interest?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 04:37 AM
[...] the Microsoft lobbyists implied that elected representatives who voted against Microsoft's interests might have a little more trouble raising campaign funds than they would if they helped the IT giant achieve its Florida goals.

So any representative that don't vote against Microsoft's interests is effectively taking a bribe?

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Illegal? No. Major conflict of interest? YES!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 06:01 AM
Given Microsoft's obvious, blatant interference in government affairs (witness what happened in Oregon and what almost happened in Massachusetts), and given that Microsoft is pushing for a patent-encumbered (by Microsoft) set of document standards over one that *anybody* -- including Microsoft -- is free to implement, then the answer to your question must be yes. Why? Because Microsoft is a *CONVICTED MONOPOLIST* that has a history of using large campaign contributions (a. k. a. legal bribery) to get what it wants from lawmakers. What part of that aren't you getting?

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Why Not

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 06:44 AM
Microsoft has accused open source of it.

So why not do it for real.

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Florida is not America

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 09:12 AM
Corruption is only present in third world, never in the first.

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Neither is Washington, DC

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:10 PM
Then Washington DC must be in the third world, too.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) There's "in the Beltway" and "everything else." Politicians' world is entirely "in the Beltway," with K Street as its capital Hmm...sounds pretty third world to me!

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You were good until the "Republican" wisecrack

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:07 PM
Remember that the Massachusetts Governor, Mitt Romney, that backed OpenDocument is a Republican. What party you're a member of is irrelevant; what matters is how deep in the special interests' pockets you are. Microsoft buys Democrats, Republicans, and anybody else that it thinks will help it. MS owned Slade Gorton (R) before, and it owns Patty Murray (D) today.

It's kinda like Skull and Bones during the 2004 USA Presidential election. Both candidates (Bush and Kerry) are Skull and Bones members, so S&B couldn't have cared less whether the Democrat or the Republican won. Either way, S&B gets more influence. Microsoft's basic strategy--sans the part about "offing" people, to our knowledge--is very similar.

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The American electorate is lazy

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 12:16 PM
You get the government that you deserve, and by that, I mean that if you don't work to keep your government honest, it will quickly become corrupted. Gandhi inspired the masses to put a stop to that. Martin Luther King, Jr. (a Gandhi disciple) did the same thing. They were so effective that they became dangerous to the ones in power...so dangerous that they both were assassinated.

Freedom isn't free. You've got to work at it. And that means the electorate needs to actually watch what its government does and vote out the corrupt officials...not just sit there munching McDonalds and sipping lattes in front of some television.

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Do It Right

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2007 07:05 PM
As the article pointed out, Rep. Ed Homan "slipped" the open standards language into a bill at the last minute. This is sneaky and is unacceptable (although my understanding is that this sort of crap happens all the time).

Draft a bill about open standards and publicize it! Educate the people so that they will demand open standards. Then vote on it, and the Florida Representatives will have to face judgment of an *educated* public.

Stop being such a damn politician and do things right.

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Re:Do It Right

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 23, 2007 08:18 PM
The author did a disservice to the readers by implying that due process was not followed when he used the term "slipping into the bill". I was at the table during the process, and the cited text was submitted to committee for vote just like all the rest of the changes that ended up in the Committee substitute bill. Nothing improper happened. Florida conducts legislation in the sunshine by Statute, there is no "slipping" anything by any interested party.

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I don't understand the obvious biased tone

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 23, 2007 11:39 PM
I believe whole heartedly that Microsoft does everything possible to maintain and increase their proprietary business model, and did long before this article. I know that open standards are the best choice for supposedly public information. I understand that the majority of money to political campaigns comes from wealthy business owners and PACs controlled by the same. Why the authors chose to write this article with such obviously biased language, I don't understand.

Whether a written article is meant for an unbiased news site or someone's personal blog, the audience and intent of the article should be considered. As the authors write with so much personal advocacy in mind, it overshadows the facts presented. There are a few quotes from people who 'must remain anonymous or they'll lose their job'. Do I doubt these quotes are genuine? Not for a second. Do they seem dubious, or at the very least, even hold any weight for someone not already prescribed to the opinions being expressed by the authors?

You can make your point with the information you've found without turning this into such an inflammatory piece. It seems to me anyone who isn't already thinking what you're trying to shout from the rooftops is going to read this and write it off as leftist propaganda. I know Microsoft is using their pile of money to influence legislation and government in other ways, I know open standards is a threat to their proprietary business model, but many people do not. They do not understand this issue, or maybe they've never been presented with facts without an accompanying opinion. You have the opportunity to write an article about the subject that sheds light on new information, balanced and based on fact, not intuition or anger. Your article's regular audience didn't gain anything from this, and neither will anyone who is skeptical of anyone who claims businesses try to use their pile of money to gain advantage of those without such a pile.

'Bring people around by trying to educate, but let them form their own opinion, or they'll never come around.' That's Confucious, and I think that idea holds true now that we have the ability to share information easier than ever. I'd love to see these journalists use their experience, position and skill to write articles that will, hopefully, influence the kind of people who really need new information. I don't think people are inclined to reconsider their opinion when presented with such obvious bias.

I guess I just don't see the point of such an otherwise enlightening article 'preaching to the choir'.

-michael

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Re:Florida state government is OWNED...

Posted by: Administrator on April 17, 2007 10:33 PM

But not nearly as corrupt as the current Democratic Congress!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

If you honestly believe one political party is any less corrupt than another, you need to review the definition of "political party."

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Florida state government is OWNED...

Posted by: Administrator on April 17, 2007 10:13 PM
... by special interests.

They're almost as corrupt as the recently ousted Republican Congress.

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