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Do we still need LUGs?

By Tina Gasperson on July 18, 2007 (9:00:00 PM)

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In the world of Linux, many things have changed in the last decade. The operating system itself has grown up, and is no longer an "upstart." But one mainstay of the Linux community, the Linux user group (LUG), appears to be on the decline in some areas. Attendance is down, LUG presidents say, and some groups have stopped meeting. Does this mean we don't need LUGs anymore?

The faithful are more inclined to think that the function of the LUG is changing from that of an incubator for Linux newbies to a social gathering for like minds. Others say that even though fewer people attend LUG meetings, it doesn't change the fact that the LUG is an indispensable help in an environment where traditional support is often hard to come by.

A few years ago, LUGs enjoyed a heady heyday. If you were lucky enough to have a LUG close enough to drive to, you probably attended meetings regularly. Enthusiasm, both for Linux and the ideals for which it stands, drove an agenda full of exciting presentations, nights dedicated to getting a new distribution installed on your desktop, and lots of free stuff from companies like Red Hat, Corel, and SUSE, who wanted us to catch the fever.

Today, many LUGs have seen a slowdown in attendance, and some Linux events typically sponsored by local user groups have ceased to exist, such as the Atlanta Linux Showcase (ALS). Chris Farris, one of the founders of ALS and a sponsor of the Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts group, says the quality of ALE has dropped "since the dot-com-bust period of 2001-2003. For me, part of the drop-off had to do with shutting down ALS, which was a driver for a lot of my participation in the Linux community." Farris says that ALE has split into three groups to help members avoid Atlanta traffic jams: Central, Northeast, and Northwest. "Northwest has been on and off," he says. "Northeast has a small group of people who attend -- under 10. Central still gets decent turnout, but nothing like we saw back in 1995-1998 at Georgia Tech, where we could fill a 100-person room."

Brad Spry, the contact person for the UNC Charlotte Linux Users Group, says attendance at that LUG is down, "but the reasons are not cut and dry." He says that because the LUG is university-based, it's hard to find a meeting time that works. Because of that, Spry says the most valuable asset for his group is the listserv. "Email isn't burdened by time. People can participate whenever they have a chance. It's a busy world."

Vernard Martin of ALE agrees. "While [ALE] has broken into several groups, the overall mailing list hasn't fragmented yet, and has many more people subscribed than actually attend all the meetings combined." He says that the communication that mailing lists provide shows that the LUGs still are "quite useful."

The Suncoast Area Linux User Group (SLUG), based in the Tampa Bay area of Florida, had splinter groups in at least three different counties in busier days. Now, SLUG is contracting. President Paul Foster says, "This isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't know that you have to repair LUGs because their attendance is down. Times change, the market changes, conditions change." But Foster doesn't agree that attendees aren't willing to drive miles to a meeting. "Gas isn't that expensive yet," he says. "If people don't come, then there's obviously nothing compelling enough to get them there.

"The height of SLUG was the Tampa meetings at Price Waterhouse Cooper [office building]. We had a large room, fast Internet access, and power at each table. Lots of tech talk, lots of questions answered. We had 35-40 per meeting." When the group could no longer provide Internet access and power outlets, meeting attendance dropped, Foster says. "We dropped down to maybe 20, and I don't know what it is now.

"I've lost a lot of my enthusiasm for Linux," Foster says. "Here's what I mean by that: when I first got involved, I was stoked. Windows sucked, and here was something I could tinker with. I could write programs with the free compiler, and everything was fairly transparent. At that time, Linux was not exactly the easiest thing to figure out, though. Installs required a lot of information I didn't know and didn't have to supply to Windows. Fast forward 10 years -- I still use Linux almost exclusively and with no regrets. But now, I know most of what I need to know to do anything I need to do. Installs don't require me to know much, the software mostly figures out my hardware. I love Linux. I'm just not excited about it. It's like buying a new car. It's cool-looking. It smells like a new car. A few months go by. You still like your car. But it's now just your car. It's what gets you from point A to point B. You don't think much about it."

Social networking

Foster says the conversation at LUG meetings doesn't focus heavily on Linux anymore. "In general, the discussion ranges from home remodeling to wives, to Verizon and other evil corporations. I make sure we touch on Linux at least once a meeting, but that discussion usually lasts for about 10 minutes. The guys who come are not newbies. They are engineering types or networking types who work with computers daily. We don't do presentations, but welcome anyone who wants to bring a box and have us hack away at it."

For some long-time Linux people, a social gathering is the ideal scenario. "LUGs provide other things that don't get obsolete, notably a social context," says Chris Browne, a "troublemaker/shooter" for the GTALUG in Toronto. "To hobbyists or enthusiasts, much of the point is to get together with other enthusiasts. The point is to meet socially with a group of like-minded people."

SLUG member Dylan Hardison says his sole interest in LUGs "has always been social. I don't think presentations, the promise of new knowledge, or free stuff has ever been a consideration. All of my geographically close friends I have met via SLUG. I also met my fianc&eacture;e at a meeting. Pretty much every job I've ever had has been somehow related to SLUG or someone I've met through SLUG."

Jeff Waugh, a member of the Sydney, Australia, SLUG, agrees that the social aspect is valuable. "[It] is still important to the organic, high-value growth of the userbase, mingling of ideas, and opportunity for business connections." It's possible that the "social LUG thing" ends up being the default mode once all the excitement has died down.

"Our LUG doesn't do a whole lot," says longtime Tampa SLUG member Russell Hires. "We don't really have a cool Web site. We don't have presentations that often, that I'm aware of. I did one or two myself, but I admit I didn't do a great job. We've done a few things in the past, but nothing really lately. We seem to have expertise, but no one with energy and experience and ability invests a whole lot in our LUG. I feel like we all wait for someone else to do something."

Spry says he's trying to spur more interest. "One trial balloon I floated recently was a merger between Linux and Mac user groups. I feel they have a lot in common now, and would be a stronger group together. Both groups seemed to warm to the idea, but it has gone nowhere. Apathy reigns supreme. It seems as if advocacy has become cliché."

Some see the decline in interest as more of a shift in focus from the operating system to the applications that run on it -- "showing applications, showing concepts, planting the seed of an idea for what someone who has just recently installed Linux can do," says Gareth Greenaway, president of Simi Conejo Linux Users Group. Greenaway says the Simi LUG has seen lower numbers over the last several years, "mostly due to the lack of interesting topics at the meetings." Farris says that ALE's topics have "almost always been about an application that runs on Linux: Asterisk, MythTV, dosemu, Exchange replacements, TiVo."

"I've never seen a LUG that was kernel-centric, they were always application centric," says Terry Collins, a computer hardware consultant based in Australia.

Whatever LUGs are for, and wherever they are headed, no one really wants them to go away. "We still need LUGs," Farris says. "They provide a place for professionals, students, and hobbyists to meet, discuss and network."

Foster sums it up. "You've got a group of people who are generally extraordinary. They're fairly knowledgeable about a pretty technical field. They're generally courteous and good-humored and willing to help, for free. While we don't all attend barbecues at each other's houses, and we may not agree on politics or religion, we still can count on each other more or less as friends. That's not a bad reason to have a group together."

Tina Gasperson writes about business and technology from an open source perspective.

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: jerseyjoe on July 21, 2007 04:56 PM
LUGS are very important. Vista is like learning a whole new OS, time to steal away more MS users, Apple shows that more and more people are becoming disenchanted. I am a Linux user trapped in a microsoft world. I need to set up my machines to seamlessly dual boot so the wife doesn't complain, need wireless Lan connectivity on my Laptop. Lots of other groups are happy to take their hobby's to their graves with them letting it die when they pass on. Don't let this happen, Linux is too important to go away.
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Re: Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 206.221.168.3] on July 23, 2007 10:59 PM
Seriously, why do we still need to refer to MS when talking about linux in the same sentence.

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 72.64.185.62] on July 22, 2007 01:51 PM
I think LUG's are also important, but it is time to find a new mission, rather than just pushing Linux. Take that same passion, incorporate as a 501(c)(3) organization, get companies to donate computer (desktops and laptops) that they would otherwise liquidate, and refurbish them with Linux. Then, pass them out to schools and children who do not have a computer. It would be a win-win-win-win situation. The companies would win because they get a tax write-off. The LUG's would win by doing something for the local community and bring good press to itself. The schools and kids would win because they get good computers they can actually use (and afford) and Linux wins because you show how Linux really is a viable alternative on a large scale.

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 219.118.163.66] on July 23, 2007 10:16 AM
YLUG - Yokohama Linux Users Group is a unique LUG. We have an offline meeting almost every month and it is very kernel centric. We named our activity kernel code reading party :-)

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PLUG might have found one fix for this.

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.2.48.8] on July 23, 2007 04:53 PM
I'm on the steering committee of the Phoenix Linux User Group, who also experienced this drop in attendance. What we did to try and help out our attendance problems was to switch from a single topic presentation, which is almost guaranteed to bore a decent sized part of the audience into not showing up in the first place, into what we like to call the magazine format. We now try and have 3 or 4 small presentations, if a presentation is too big to fit into one meeting, we break it up into several. We try and keep all the presentations on a similar topic, but have the individual topics cover a low, medium, and high difficultly level. That way there is something for everyone at every meeting. On presentations that would demonstrate a new program; we also switched to preferring a presentation format that would show off what the program can do rather than how to use it. We found that we could get quite a few interesting presentations out of just 1 person if they would do like Alton Brown does on good eats and just say "...but thats another show".
We found that, at least at our meetings, we had our regulars that would come out no matter what the topic was, then we had the people that would pick and choose which meetings they would come to based on the topic. We could almost guarantee attendance by certain people just by choosing the correct topic. We also tended to do a lot of high level presentations that scared off any newbie that might come through the door. (I know there were several new faces that I never saw again after our 3 hour long presentation on how to write a kernel module)
In the end it's been a little easier to get people to do presentations because they don't have to prepare as much as before. We are seeing attendance slowly pick up again despite not currently advertising ourselves anywhere other than our own website and via word of mouth. We used to have a couple of freebee computer rags that you could pick up on your way out the door of just about any grocery store, and I think that was one of our major sources of new LUG attenders.

I hope the above is semi-readable.... I haven't been able to sleep in a couple of days and it's starting to show.

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 134.231.8.200] on July 23, 2007 07:51 PM
LUGs, MUGs, whatever. User groups (Linux and others) form because groups of people are interested in getting better at using something, regardless of their current level of skill. And because folks are interested in sharing what they do know. Some members are "hobbyists," while others have a more pressing need to solve particular problems. *UGs often tend to push the envelope in one way or another. Given all that, I don't see the death of such groups. They might change form (especially considering the equipment/software/people come and go), but they'll continue to have a purpose.

Not to mention that they're an excuse to eat and drink afterwards. ;-)

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 24.73.182.220] on July 23, 2007 08:44 PM
I've wanted to attend a LUG meeting for nearly ten years. About every 18 months, I attempt e-mail contact with one around Birmingham, Alabama USA; but, no one ever responds. I speak only for myself when I say I have no idea whether we still need LUGs and the reason I have no idea is that it is impossible to attend one so I can find out.

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Re: Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 68.52.118.61] on July 23, 2007 10:54 PM
Although I don't attend the meetings, I talk with the members of the Birmingham LUG often. They can be found daily on freenode IRC: #balu

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 206.221.168.3] on July 23, 2007 10:58 PM
Most people don't even know about LUG's let alone even UG's for things like this so perhaps the bigger problem here is getting the word out about the LUG's even exist and where / when people are meeting.

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 58.178.165.217] on July 24, 2007 01:02 AM
Depending on how we attach to the LUG. If you are just for 'help', yeah nowdays you may be doing better with internet and lots of book out there. But the tech presentations, discussion, news session and above all - the meeting of alike is value of LUG and its FUN!!!!.

Don't see how distros with books and internet materials is to replace fun.

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 154.5.184.30] on July 25, 2007 06:19 AM
IMHO people use LUGS as meeting points for linux info on the internet (read as social networking for the linux expert/newbie/geek). We don't have time to meet at our friends place anymore. We are either older and dealing with more responsibilites (job, family, volunteer work) or younger and have grown up with the system and see no reason to get all worked up about it. The truth is that Linux was as much a social phenomenon as it was a technical and financial breakthrough for those of us who saw microsoft as the evil empire with crappy software. It allowed us the freedom to do what we wanted to do, and we weren't tied down by the windriver complex. These days the drive is to get desktop users to buy in. The only thing we haven't done is find some serious marketing people to get behind linux! If it isn't sexy and cool then they don't buy in. Unfortunately LUGS can be somewhat insular. This can turn the average person off the system. LUGS are great for networking, teaching and dissemination of community information, but they aren't going to get the people to buy in; I think this is the ultimate goal for all linux user!

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Do we still need LUGs?

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 202.158.218.253] on October 02, 2007 08:28 AM

Linux Users Victoria has increased attendance and activity over the past two years. Our average has been c65 people at each monthly meeting.

Just sayin'...


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