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Open source CRM software makes a big splash

By Mary E. Tyler on March 16, 2005 (8:00:00 AM)

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BlueWhale 1.0 is a new customer relations management (CRM) product from TechWhale, a Tampa, Fla.-based open source development company. TechWhale's president Alan Ranciato claims BlueWhale, which was released in December, is the first all-encompassing open source CRM application written in .Net.

".Net has really picked up, and a lot of companies out there don't have the in-house talent to run a Linux server or MySQL, where Microsoft administrators are a lot easier to come by," says Ranciato. "Companies already feel comfortable having Microsoft in-house, whether or not it's the right call. Microsoft products are in there."

Besides running on the dominant platform, Ranciato believes there are other strengths to developing in .Net. Easy integration with existing back-end products like Microsoft's GreatPlains and Navision accounting products was a big plus. Ranciato feels it was also easier to support database server and Web server farming, and different session models within the .Net architecture.

Ranciato insists the software is true open source, with the code distributed under the TechWhale Solutions Public License version 1.1.2, a modification of the Mozilla Public License version 1.1. The curious can download BlueWhale for free and install it for free. For $129 per user per year, TechWhale offers email and phone support, full documentation, tested and signed upgrades, and special, exclusive support forums. For companies that do not have the support staff to host in-house, TechWhale offers a hosted service for $35 per user per month. The company also provides a free online demo.

While BlueWhale runs on Microsoft servers, on the client side, BlueWhale is browser-based. "It's optimized for IE5+," says Ranciato, "but it's been tested on Netscape and on Firefox for Windows. There's a little degradation in those due to some cascading style sheet functionality which can easily be tweaked." BlueWhale also worked just fine in Safari on Mac OS X and Konqueror for Linux. We found some minor visual glitches in Opera and Firefox on Linux.

Features and shortfalls

The competition's weakness is BlueWhale's strength. After spending years as a CRM consultant working with various proprietary solutions, Ranciato sums up the shortcoming of the competition succinctly: "You couldn't add a field to a form without a team of developers there." TechWhale's goal is to get away from the idea that a customer should need a team of developers to make changes to an application. "There's unlimited custom fields and dropdowns," says Ranciato. "Basically the entire thing can be customized by the end user."

Another unique feature of BlueWhale Ranciato highlights is the way support or sales cases can be automatically routed to specific people. For example, say a specific customer service representative known red widgets inside and out. Red widget questions can automatically be sent to that rep rather than going to just anyone.

What's with the whale?
Why BlueWhale? "The company was founded as Phoebiz, a play on Greek mythology, Phoebus Apollo, the sun god," explains TechWhale's president Alan Ranciato. "No one could spell or pronounce Phoebiz. We decided on an image change and went with BlueWhale, the largest of whales. We went with TechWhale as a company name."

Because it's a new product, TechWhale couldn't hook us up with customers willing to talk and Ranciato wouldn't name names -- not even beta sites. But he says customers can tailor the software for a variety of vertical markets. For instance, a Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) compliance firm with consultants all over the country participated in beta testing using BlueWhale for sales at the main office. "But externally, they're using it to track client progress and billable hours," explains Ranciato. "They're using it for knowledge management, auditing and compliance templates, audit test cases, as a collaboration suite in addition to the CRM functionality."

Market and analysis

BlueWhale is aimed mainly at the middle of the CRM market, Ranciato says -- companies with 10 to 100 users. Forrester Research's vice president of CRM Erin Kinikin agrees that this is a good target. "Mid-market CRM is like the wild, wild West. We're seeing lots of new vendors and the market is growing. Hosted CRM solutions, which minimize up-front costs, are growing the fastest -- 120% to 200% annually according to our recent vendor evaluation." "

According to Kinikin, hosted solutions have turned the market upside down by appealing to end users "without getting bogged down in IT." She sees BlueWhale's low price and dual-pronged attack (both hosted and on-site) as a strength because it's rare. "SalesForce does a great job with hosted CRM, but if you want to move on-premises, you're out of luck. Microsoft has a licensed (on-premises) product, but only hosts through partners," explains Kinikin. "BlueWhale is lower priced than most of its hosted CRM competitors, but they have to show they can match the hosted players for ease of customization and ease of use."

However good that news may be, Kinikin sees a host of competitors in the wings: Microsoft CRM, SalesForce.com, Siebel, SalesNet, NetSuite, Goldmine, Maximizer, and SalesLogix. "There's a mid-market shakeout coming," Kinikin says. "There can't be this many vendors long term."

Ranciato was complimentary of BlueWhale's open source competition. "As far as Compiere, the biggest thing we're lacking is ERP. I think that's our biggest weakness," he admits. "Sugar is a bit more mature. They've been out a bit longer." But he points out, "Some of the features we have built into BlueWhale -- the custom fields features or a lot of customizations issues -- [Compiere and Sugar] don't currently have."

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wtf

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2005 11:07 PM
an ASP.NET application. WHO CARES If it is open source it still REQUIRES CLOSED SOURCE software.

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Re:wtf

Posted by: Rob Bochan on March 16, 2005 11:50 PM
What do you mean?
You don't want a proprietary application with a proprietary license that runs on a proprietary platform?
But "It's optimized for IE5+"!!
Hey! There's only "a little degradation in those" other browsers!
Why... It's the wave of the future! (TM)

I can hardly wait to try it!
</sarcasm>

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Advertising $$ at Work Here

Posted by: soloport on March 17, 2005 12:40 AM
So NewsForge is now "listening" to their advertisers? If there's an ounce of face left to be saved, they could start by pulling those annoying MS banner ads.

What a sad shame... Where can a geek go for news, these days?

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Re:Advertising $$ at Work Here

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2005 01:51 AM
Real geeks subscribe to mailing lists<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

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No thanks

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2005 11:30 PM
I prefer to NOT do business with Microsoft sycophants such as this (Dell and HP are also included).

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Big Splash!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2005 11:39 PM
Thats the sound of this thing sinking to the bottom of the lake.

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SugarCRM et al are more developed and more open

Posted by: Jeremy Hogan on March 17, 2005 12:19 AM
For those interested in F/OSS up and down the stack:



http://www.sugarcrm.com

http://www.issue-tracker.com/ (Doesn't call itself a CRM, but it's got 90% of what folks really need in a CRM)

http://opencrm.oezdiller.com/



With another 50 hits on CRM at SourceForge.

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Re:SugarCRM et al are more developed and more open

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2005 01:18 AM
SugarCRM - prettier and more robust / extensible.

Take the demo for a test drive, it feels like a copy&pasted-together<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Net application. We are mostly a microsoft shop and went with sugar because it's got such a solid backing. The people at the company all have the right background and there's a real company behind it with a vision and a roadmap.

-bobx11/at/gmail

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I prefer Liberum

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2005 05:10 AM
I use Liberum, which is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.asp, and fully open source, without any hidden fees. For a call center, it's a great software. It's missing some items (appointments, etc..), but a good number of people are continuing to work on it.

It can be found www.liberum.org
The forums are www.liberum.org/snitz

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Not interested...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2005 12:18 PM
Apache is the dominant web platform, not Microsoft - and with good reason.

I am getting tired of reading about Windows apps on Newsforge - guess Redmond dollars will buy you love.

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yeah...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2005 01:28 PM
Yes, I will forward this to my boss, who is more of a decision maker than me - but I will strongly point him to these reader comments rather than to the article itself...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.not? m$? baaahhhh...

Greets,
wjl

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Open source but NOT FREE

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on April 27, 2005 01:02 AM
I really wish these for profit companies, with proprietary code would stop marketing as Open Source. They really ruin the spirit and commitment of Open Source. Even Microsoft OS is open source if you have the $$$ to OEM it.

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