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Opera and Firefox: A side-by-side review

By Kris Shaffer on May 18, 2005 (8:00:00 AM)

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Opera Software recently released version 8.00 of its eponymous Web browser. I decided to see how the new version of the popular commercial browser compares to the open source Mozilla Firefox 1.0. I found both Firefox and Opera are capable browsers, and though they are very different, each has much to offer any user.

While Firefox is widely known, the Opera browser may need an introduction. Opera is known for its speed and its multitude of features. It's available for a wide range of platforms; in addition to Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows, Opera runs on FreeBSD, Solaris, Windows Mobile, and OS/2, among others.

Opera includes an embedded chat client and mail client, the latter of which includes support for RSS news feeds. (In this review, I will focus only on the RSS features of the mail client, for the sake of a fair comparison with Firefox, which lacks email capabilities.) Because it's not open source software, Opera has no "extensions" like those of Firefox. Despite being closed source, Opera is very customizable, via both the preferences menus and the manipulation of the plain-text configuration files.

I tested Opera and Firefox on SUSE Linux 9.1, Mac OS X Panther, and Windows 2000.

Look and feel

The user interfaces of the two browsers are strikingly different. By default, Firefox has a clean interface, with only the basic necessities (back, forward, reload, stop, and home buttons, an address bar, and Google search). Opera, on the other hand, displays many more tools and buttons by default. While this may be more daunting to a new user than Firefox's clean interface, the standard buttons are easy to find. The advantage with Opera is that a first-time user can see many of the unique options that Opera offers, which they might not know about otherwise.

Both exhibit consistency of interface, but in different ways: Opera's default look and feel are for the most part consistent from platform to platform, whereas Firefox's default look and feel are for the most part consistent with other applications on the platform (though both applications allow users to customize their interface and install themes or skins). Either of these properties can be seen as a strength or a weakness. For instance, someone who works regularly on multiple OSes may prefer Opera, which looks and acts much the same on each machine. Someone who works regularly on one OS may prefer Firefox because it looks and acts more like other applications on that platform.

Firefox and Opera also have different menu structures and occasionally incorporate different keyboard shortcuts for common tasks like opening a new window or a new tab. In most cases, Firefox is more consistent with "standard" shortcuts and menus than Opera is (i.e. Firefox's shortcuts are more often the same as those of Safari, Netscape, or IE). The differing Opera shortcuts and menus are not difficult to learn, but they may be a stumbling block for users beginning with Opera or going back and forth between Opera and another browser.

Ultimately, though, look and feel are about preference. I like Opera's look better than that of Firefox, but I prefer Firefox's consistency of functionality with other applications on the host platform, particularly in adopting standard shortcuts.

Default features and customizations

One also sees a strong difference in philosophy between Firefox and Opera in their default configurations. To avoid bloat, Firefox developers created a browser that is lean, fast, and by default includes no extraneous features or closed source plugins. This makes for a small application download and a fast browsing experience, though there are hundreds of plugins and extensions that a user can find and install with relative ease. The biggest downside to this approach is that Java and Flash are not installed or enabled by default. Opera, on the other hand, does not provide extensions, but includes many more features by default, including Java, Flash, the optional disabling of sound and GIF animation, dictionary search, the automatic filling out of forms, identifying itself as a different browser, reloading pages at regular intervals, URL filtering, and paste-and-go URLs in the address bar. Thus, of the two, Opera is the browser that provides the most functionality upon initial installation.

While it's important to note what each browser can do "out of the box," both browsers are known for their customization, and Firefox in particular is designed to be extended. I ran some tweaks on each browser and installed some Firefox extensions, to try to get a more complete and realistic impression from each browser. Most default features in Opera that are not part of the default Firefox installation can be installed into Firefox as plugins or extensions, including all of those noted above. In fact, there are more than 400 extensions for Firefox that add to the browser's functionality, and advanced users have the opportunity to write their own extensions and share them with other users. This customization method gives a lot of power to even novice users.

Opera, on the other hand, cannot be customized by extensions, but it contains many more options in its Preferences menus than most browsers, and the Opera Community site contains a large number of skins (comparable to Firefox's themes) and language packs for downloading. Opera can also be customized by editing its configuration files. Though the application is closed source, Opera developers have not applied proprietary code to many of their configuration files, allowing advanced users to edit them manually or through a script, to make use of more advanced features like URL filtering or adding additional email tags and labels to the mail client. This gives more control to power users than other proprietary browsers do, but it is not as easy to use as Firefox extensions, especially since the smaller Opera community has not generated as many scripts and helper applications as the Firefox community has generated extensions.

Ad blocking is a good practical example of this. In Firefox, no ads -- except for pop-up ads -- are blocked by default. However, there is an adblock extension, which allows a user to choose specific images, files, and scripts to block, as well as wildcarded URLs (such as "*/ads/*"). After a short time (in my case, just a week or two), one can accrue a list of URLs (with wildcards) which will block most ads on the sites one visits regularly. There is also an extension that automatically disables all Flash items, replacing them with a "play" button, allowing a user to pick only the Flash items he wants to view. These items are easy to install and to use, and they can drastically improve -- and speed up -- one's browsing experience.

Opera, on the other hand, has a configuration file where one can create a list of URLs to block, which also allows wildcards. If one has a good list (say, exported from the Firefox adblock extension), one can add it to this file and have most of the ads removed on the pages one visits most often. However, it is not as convenient to add individual items to this file as in Firefox. There is a third-party application that updates this file to match a regularly updated list available online, and it allows users to add their own URLs as well. This works well, and the list is well-maintained, but it is available only for Windows, and being a separate program, it does not allow a user to simply right-click on an item in a Web page to add it to the list, as Firefox's extension does. Like Firefox, Opera does block pop-up ads, but as for Flash, Opera does not have as convenient a tool as Firefox. It can, however, filter out URLs for specific or wildcarded Flash items and it can disable Flash completely with a choice in the quick preferences.

With many features, like ad blocking, the difference between Opera and Firefox is really a matter of convenience. In most cases, both browsers can do many of the same things. If, for example, your browsing experience typically requires features that are provided by default in Opera but not Firefox, Opera will likely be more convenient. However, if neither browser includes some of the features upon which you rely by default, and a Firefox extension already exists, Firefox will likely be more convenient. I hope more users and developers will write scripts for Opera that are comparable to some of Firefox's extensions; if they do, the playing field may begin to even out.

Opera incorporates several features with no counterparts in Firefox. For example, when one clicks in Opera's address bar, a dropdown menu offers links to the home page, the 10 most visited sites, bookmarks, an Amazon.com search, and a price comparison search. This nice feature can be a time-saver if you use it, but if you don't, it does not interfere with your browsing. Opera's mail client automatically detected and imported my address book contacts (on the Mac only), and whenever I made a change to the Mac's address book, Opera picked it up. (I was disappointed, though, to find that changes made to the Opera contacts did not make their way to the Mac's address book.) However, my favorite feature unique to Opera, and one I would like to see more applications incorporate, is quick preferences.

Invoking quick preferences (by pressing F12 in Linux and Windows, or selecting Quick Preferences in the Mac's Opera menu) brings a short list of preferences commonly used or changed, especially upon first installation. Critics have often complained that Opera was too complicated for an average user. Quick preferences is a response to that concern, and it's a great way to make the application a little easier without removing any of its advanced functionality.

RSS news readers

Both browsers include RSS news readers by default, but they are quite different. Firefox uses Live Bookmarks. By clicking on the RSS icon in the status bar when visiting a site that has an RSS feed, one can subscribe to the feed and see the regularly updated headlines in one's bookmarks list. Opera too has an RSS icon (though in the address bar), and clicking on this icon subscribes the user to that news feed. Opera, however, uses its mail client as the news feed reader, and the headlines, synopses, and links to the articles are delivered to the feed's mail folder, where they can be tagged, searched, and saved for future research.

Both of these methods have their advantages. I prefer the Opera method for tech articles. I am more likely to browse through all the tech articles than I am regular news articles, and if I don't get around to reading them right away, the links will still be in my inbox where I can find them later. Once I read them, I tag the ones I may refer back to at a later time, and I can search the headlines and abstracts for the topics I am researching. On the other hand, I prefer the Firefox method for regular news sites). I can quickly see the headlines of the day and decide what articles I want to read. I am not likely to save these articles for future reference or searching, nor am I likely to look at news from several days previous (which has been bumped from the list), so I don't need an inbox in which to keep those items. (On the occasion that I want to save an article, I can always bookmark it.)

Closing thoughts

Overall, I have been happy with both Opera and Firefox. Both are rich in features, and though only Firefox is open source, both browsers offer many options for customization beyond mere cosmetics. I cannot say that one browser is superior to the other. If one is willing to consider both open and closed source options, than picking one of these browsers over the other will likely come down to issues of convenience, personal preference, or the particular tasks one typically uses his browser for. One user may choose Opera for its one-time install with no assembly required, while another may choose Firefox because of a handful of extensions he simply cannot do without. Perhaps Opera's integrated mail and chat clients or method of RSS implementation will win over one user, while another will gravitate towards Firefox's lack of banner ads and choose Mozilla's Thunderbird for email.

As for me, I'll be sticking with Firefox as my main browser for now. All else being equal, I prefer to use an open source application, and there are some Firefox extensions that I really miss when I'm on Opera (notably Adblock, GooglePreview, Linky, and the Web Developer toolbar). On the other hand, I'll likely keep using Opera at work, where most of my browsing involves RSS news feeds and other forms of research. Others, however, will make different choices. At the end of the day, both Opera and Firefox are excellent browsers, with a lot to offer any user. No one has to settle for the default, and Mozilla and Opera are both doing their part to see to it that no one does.

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thanks for the comparison

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 12:15 AM
Thank you for what seems to me a fairly objective look at two alternative browsers. I've been an Opera user since version 3.5 (first in Windows, now in Linux), and I've been a fan since I first heard of it.

Although there was a lot of debate when Opera decided to integrate an e-mail client, and later when the design of that client was changed (I stopped using Opera for e-mail at that point), it had managed to avoid bloat in terms of overall size. If I'm not mistaken, even with the additional built-in features, Opera remains a smaller download than Firefox.

Personally, I'll stick with Opera, but it sounds to me as if users can't go wrong with either choice. And choice is what it's all about!

Walt

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Re:thanks for the comparison

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 05:33 PM
Decent article. As a longtime FF user, I recommend newbies review the available extensions.

http://www.pcdoctorsgroup.com

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yep

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 12:32 AM
thanks for this review.
I wish you had talk about my favourite feature in Opera 8 : fit to windth.

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Re:yep

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:48 AM
Why talk about a feature that simply does not work? I haven't seen a _single_ website that works with "fit to width" (apart from opera.com).

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Re:yep

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:52 AM
Stop spreading FUD. It works on most sites, even here.

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nice balanced article, but...

Posted by: Bastian Farkas on May 19, 2005 12:40 AM
...i missed one thing. it may not seem import to the most, but if you talk about the userinterface you have to mention opera's mouse gestures. when a friend introduced me to opera a couple of years ago they were simply stunning. i felt like in a game or sci-fi movie flipping through the pages and opening links in a background tab (extremely useful for google research) with just a simple stroke of the hand. i'm aware of the fact that the is a extension for firefox which offers gestures, but its not just the same. i use opera all the day and have recommended it to several friends now, but some of them didn't discover mouse gestures yet or they were confused by them (which i can't understand). Opera should be given credit for inventig such a cool timesaving feature.

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Re:nice balanced article, but...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:19 AM
As I understand it, Opera ASA didn't invent mouse gestures. But they have a long history of taking good ideas (database-based email client you say Google? Who was there earlier?) And not only implementing them, but doing a damn fine job of it (I have the <A HREF="http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/" title="mozdev.org">Mouse Gestures</a mozdev.org> extension in Firefox, and <A HREF="http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/" title="tcbmi.com">StrokeIt</a tcbmi.com> for the rest of my PC, neither seem as accurate as Opera's.)

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Re:nice balanced article, but...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:49 AM
Database-based email client in Opera was created _MUCH_ earlier than Google GMail (a few years ago) and was actually the first (and pretty much still the only one).

Also Opera was the FIRST browser and the SECOND software with mouse gestures in history (and the first one was a computer game).

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There's always a bigger fish...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:19 AM
I think it would be foolish to call Opera "the second software with mouse gestures".

I remember using gestures in a Mentor Graphics circuit designer and simulator back in '95-'96.

And everyone's favorite Bloatus Notes has been a database-based email client before there was Opera.

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Re:nice balanced article, but...

Posted by: JZA on May 19, 2005 09:48 PM
Not just email but RSS too.

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Turnpike?

Posted by: Paul Tansom on May 19, 2005 05:30 PM
Not sure whether it was specifically a database backend, I think it was just a flat file (argue amongst yourselves about the database or not nature of a flat file!), but Turnpike used a similar format back in the mid to late 90's for email. Simply adding tags to your emails and creating a view or virtual folder (can't remember the term used back then) allowed you to view your email however you liked - by sender, tag, combination of tags, etc.. A nice client of its day. Oddly, whilst I liked the feature in Turnpike, I still can't feel comfortable with the Opera mail client. I think I felt in control of the Turnpike one, whereas the Opera one tries to be intelligent and I've not developed confidence in its decisions yet!!

On the mouse gestures side of things, I'm afraid its the first thing I check is switched off in Opera. I get annoyed far too often when something happens I didn't want to happen because I've unintentionally triggered a gesture.

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Mouse gestures

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 06:29 AM
i'm aware of the fact that the is a extension for firefox which offers gestures, but its not just the same.


I'm sorry, but it is the same. The <A HREF="http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/" title="mozdev.org">Mouse Gestures extension</a mozdev.org> for Firefox will let you set up any -- and I mean any -- gestures you like.

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No extensions

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 12:49 AM
"Because it's not open source software, Opera has no "extensions" like those of Firefox. "

So let's see, I guess IE doesn't have extensions because it's also closed source.
-->looks at toolbar.google.com et al...

That theory goes up in smoke.

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Re:No extensions

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:26 AM
Yes, but its far easier to create an extension for a browser if you have its source code. FF makes it even easier, by having a preconfigured method of creating extensions, which build upon its highly modular nature.

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Opera *CAN* be extended, actually...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 02:16 AM
While it doesn't have extensions the way Firefox does, Opera can be extended in many ways, with custom menus, toolbars, bookmarklets, panels, and now you even have user JavaScript which can be used for a lot of things.

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Re:Opera *CAN* be extended, actually...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 24, 2005 06:43 AM
You're wrong! Actually Opera understands Netscape 4 plug-ins. For example, Macromedia Flash is supported by Opera using Macromedia's Netscape plug-in. Without any plug-in interface it would not be possible to add Flash support to Opera at all (except if Opera had licensed Flash technology from Macromedia).

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Re:No extensions

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:58 PM
There are no real extensions for Opera because Opera Software doesn't provide an API for it.

Firefox is open source, and Microsoft provides an API for their browser, enabling the creation of extensions.

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Puzzling comment...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 02:11 AM
"Opera, on the other hand, displays many more tools and buttons by default."


I'm not sure I understand this one. Opera shows a couple of more buttons than Firefox, and fewer top level menus, if you choose Google ads.

<A HREF="http://www.opera.com/docs/screenshots/800/01/" title="opera.com">This</a opera.com> is Opera's default setup with tabbed browsing and without ads.

What gives?

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Re:Puzzling comment...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 02:55 AM
And don't forget that even WITH all the features included, Opera is a whole megabyte SMALLER than Firefox. So who's really bloated here?

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What about tabs?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:01 AM
The author does not do tabs in Opera justice. Opera is a true MDI application. You can tile and cascade windows. Firefox cannot do that. Neither does the author touch on such nice features as duplicate window or displaying in linked windows, or reopening a closed window. And no mention of Opera's zoom features? Did the author actually LOOK at Opera's menus?

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Re:What about tabs?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:08 AM
I'm not sure if they removed this or just hid it, but since i upgraded to 8, my biggest complaint is that clicking on a tab no longer minimizes the tab. It was quite a useful feature IMO.

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Re:What about tabs?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:25 AM
That still works in Opera 8 final. Go to Preferences, General, and turn off the "Show Close button on Each Tab". It will function as you are used to.

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Re:What about tabs?

Posted by: JZA on May 19, 2005 09:52 PM
Nice<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Excellent comparison but missed a few things

Posted by: O'Bart on May 19, 2005 03:06 AM
Overall the best Opera/FF comparision I've seen yet. There were a few Opera functions missed though. Mouse gestures, fit-to-width, and the biggest change for Opera 8: voice activated browsing! He also said that Opera didn't have a web developer toolbar. There are at least two available at http://my.opera.com/customize/setups/setup.pl?id=<nobr>1<wbr></nobr> 826&show=toolbars . But still an excellent article.

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Re:Excellent comparison but missed a few things

Posted by: O'Bart on May 19, 2005 03:10 AM
For the address above, the id number should be 1826, not 1 826.

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Re:Excellent comparison but missed a few things

Posted by: O'Bart on May 19, 2005 03:29 AM
Here is a much better web developer tool bar, which includes new menus: http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WebDevToolbar

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Article careful to barely mention Opera's ads

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:30 AM
It's amusing to see the author of this article almost completely sidestep the issue that Opera is actually adware (he mentions it very briefly at the end of the penultimate paragraph) and that the default placing of the Google text ads in Opera (right across the browser's entire window width and directly under the main menu bar) make it far too easy to accidentally click one of the ads instead of one of the menu bar items.

Yes, you can remove the ads, but only by paying for Opera, which would make negate the review's purpose (to compare two zero-cost-to-end-user browsers). Or you can go for garish animated ads of course (which don't cover the entire browser width and hence don't clash with the main menu, surprise, surprise - devious of the Opera folks or what?). I felt the fact that the author completely skimmed over this quite serious adware issue devalued his comparison somewhat.

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Re:Article careful to barely mention Opera's ads

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:52 AM
I agree it is an oversight worth mentioning, and I am an Opera fanboy. One must purchase Opera to avoid the ad window. But where does it say the purpose of the review was to compare two "zero-cost" browsers?

More importantly, why is it that everyone assumes every piece of software must be free to be any good? I run Linux, but I also run Opera, and, brace yourselves, I even pay them for it! I must be crazy.

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Some things ARE worth paying for...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 05:50 PM
I have no problem paying a reasonable amount for software that I find valuable. I, too, purchased Opera for Linux and Windows--although now I use Firefox when I boot into Windows.

My favorite Opera feature, besides the ability to customize the app to the max, is the close/cancel button on each tab. Very convenient.

marytee

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Re:Article careful to barely mention Opera's ads

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:00 AM
The ads if you choose text are unobtrusive and I've never unintentially clicked on one going on 3 years. It seems that you can't find fault with the product so you find fault on the method of sustaining its development.

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Re:Article careful to barely mention Opera's ads

Posted by: vinczej on May 19, 2005 04:21 AM
The author mentioned the startbar and other customizing. I use Opera ad version, but I builded it for Fullscreen. In fullscreen mode I can reach all my buttons and menus, more than FireFox in normal mode, without to see the ad-banner. And I have cca.95-97% free space. Opera is extremely customizable.
Otherwise this ad-banner can be very useful, it give me very many ideas.

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Re:Article careful to barely mention Opera's ads

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 25, 2005 08:42 PM
It is adware, yes, using googles ad motor. I doubt you avoid using google because google is adware.

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Out of the box

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:36 AM
Opera, on the other hand, does not provide extensions, but includes many more features by default, including Java, Flash, the optional disabling of sound and GIF animation, dictionary search, the automatic filling out of forms, identifying itself as a different browser, reloading pages at regular intervals, URL filtering, and paste-and-go URLs in the address bar. Thus, of the two, Opera is the browser that provides the most functionality upon initial installation.


Of course you do acknowledge later that all of these functionalities can be added to Firefox with extensions, but it should be noted that sound and GIF disabling, form filling and page reloading are all available in Firefox without any added extensions (though I don't remember whether or not they're `turned on' out of the box).

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a few other misses...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:45 AM
I run opera and firefox on a laptop with somewhat limited resources (PIII-700/256). Opera stars and runs 2-3 times faster, and page redraws are blazingly fast. That, for me, makes a huge difference, and illustrates one of the benefits of centralized development and compiled code (most of the FF extensions are essentially javascript).

The article missed a number of excellent Opera features:

- I love the fact that the progress bar can appear in the address bar. This saves space and shows some thought on the part of the developers (if a page is loading, you're not typing a new address, and vice versa).
- The alternate stylesheets are pretty awesome, especially for sites with broken CSS.
- The View toolbar is pretty great and makes it really easy to turn off images, scale, etc.
- Opera has true page scaling, instead of the font-fudging in FF, which doesn't really work.
- When viewing galleries or subsequent pages with 'Next' links, hitting SPACE or Alt-Right will automatically find the link and go to the next section.
- In a large image gallery, opera will remember the structure of the full index; pressing SPACE will show all the pictures in order, sort of like a slideshow, so you don't have to go back and click on the next thumbnail. You know, when you need to browse with one hand.

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Re:a few other misses...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:45 AM
- In a large image gallery, opera will remember the structure of the full index; pressing SPACE will show all the pictures in order, sort of like a slideshow, so you don't have to go back and click on the next thumbnail. You know, when you need to browse with one hand.

I suppose I should remember this, since I'm right-handed. Left-handed folks can hold down the left mouse button and tap the right button to go forward when they're one-hand browsing.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

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Re:a few other misses...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 05:33 AM
I also have a machine of limited means (K6 233, 96MB RAM) running FreeBSD 4.11. Opera is the only usable full featured browser on this machine. I still have Firefox loaded, as I get into picky web sites that don't render well, but I have to wait a minute and a half for it to start up.

I also love its "Identify as IE" quick preference. Most of the time that is the only thing needed to get past the browser checks.

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You might want to try the K-Meleon browser

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 07:26 AM
<a href="http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/</a sourceforge.net>


It has the same HTML rendering engine as Firefox, but runs significantly faster since it uses a native Windows GUI.


It runs blazingly fast on a modern machine. It is actually quite usable on a 133MHz machine, especially if the FlashBlock extension is installed.
It works with many sites that confuse Opera.

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Re:a few other misses...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 08:17 PM
You're browsing a large image gallery with one hand. Pray tell what sort of site you're looking at?

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!!!!

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Decent article, but ignores Opera's features

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:45 AM
It's good to see an article that discusses browsers rather even-handedly (i.e., one that doesn't resort to simply stating that "Firefox rUlz cuz its opensource!"), though it is disappointing to see all of Opera's built-in features almost entirely ignored along with the tremendous performance benefits it provides.

The author also compares a customized Firefox interface with the default Opera one, which is more than a little unfair. The notes on extensions and customization also failed to refer to the nontroppo wiki where custom buttons and menus can be added to Opera in a single click but hyped up Firefox's extension community. Also odd is the author's mention of Firefox's small size, when it is substantially larger than Opera (in terms of disk space, download size, and memory footprint).

The comparison really reads like an "Opera quick impressions for the Firefox user" story.

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Re:Decent article, but ignores Opera's features

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:47 AM
It is no surprise that the author did not mention all the Opera features whether it be on purpose or
that he merely has not "discovered" them. When you start mentioning the fuctionality brought to users in the newest version and how it is faster, smaller, and safer than Firefox,you question why your using it. Heaven forbid Firefox users get proved wrong, just wait till the extension system (similar to ActiveX in many ways) gets exploited and people run over to Opera.

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OSes/Platforms

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:55 AM
It would have been better to day that Opera is available on the same platforms as Mozilla but it has especially shined on small form factor devices running Symbian etc. (can't actually remember if Symbian was supported). Mozilla is getting there, but Opera still has the lead in this area.

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Re:OSes/Platforms

Posted by: O'Bart on May 19, 2005 05:17 AM
Yes it runs on cell phones with Symbian OS.

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You missed stuff.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 03:55 AM
"Opera incorporates several features with no counterparts in Firefox. For example, when one clicks in Opera's address bar, a dropdown menu offers links to the home page, the 10 most visited sites, bookmarks, an Amazon.com search, and a price comparison search."

Move your eyes a bit to the right. That's a "search bar." Yeah, it's expandable too.

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Well done

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:03 AM
Compared to reviews else where this one was fair, detailed and unbiased. It's nice to see someone not gush over FireFox.

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An objective comparison.

Posted by: vinczej on May 19, 2005 04:08 AM
It would much better, if other journalists would
write their articles after experiment, too, not
only by rumors.

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Size and blocking ads

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:12 AM
While you need a few dozen extensions for FF to match Opera, the latter is smaller.

There is an ad blocking stylesheet (yes, stylesheet) which makes a great job with Opera.

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Very Nice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:15 AM
It's nice to see a fair comparison like this, unlike the many biased ones I've seen lately. I currently use Firefox myself, but people really should consider Opera as well, as its a very nice browser, even better than Firefox in some respects (such as speed, memory use, and security). But both have their good points, and it really should be left to the user to decide which they want.

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Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:36 AM
I liked the article because it was almost balanced. You were willing to review and install some third party programs "extensions" that create the functionality firefox lacks - increasing the bloat and decreasing the supportability of the program (more extensions = more updates).

However, with User Javascript, and the modification of setup files, Opera can do many more things than Firefix. You mentioned the extensions are easier - installing another program to fulfill a missing function in one click might be. But there are custom setups, buttons, searches, and more that can be done in a line or two in a text editor. Like a single button to open the page you are on in the IE or Firefox browsers.

I found it interesting to note that you have made a comparison that I have noticed for a while now reagrding the two browsers.

Firefox tends to be used by beginner surfers. Newbies like grandma and grnadpa. And the app is more useful than IE and easy to use. Whereas Opera tends to be used by the techies and professional surfers. The people who are on the web a lot and need to get work done.

It's not a bad thing... because like another post said... it's about choice. One's for beginners and one's for professionals. And they are both a replacement for a 5 year old Internet Explorer... and driving web standards forward, which is the best part of both browsers.

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Re:Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 08:06 AM
Professional surfers? I wouldn't say that at all.

Firefox can do pretty much anything opera can and much more that opera can't. Extensions for firefox like web the developer toolbar add extremely beneficial functionality for "professional surfers".

I don't see why everyone here is trying to play down firefox's open source card; it benefits users tremendously. Yes firefox does take a fraction of a second longer to open than opera but come on, if you're using a sub 1ghz machine I'd say you're a fringe minority.

Flicking back and forth is a tiny bit faster in opera since it keeps them in memory, apparently firefox will have similar functionality soon. It's important to remember that firefox is still 1.0(4) and opera is at 8.0.

I'll continue to use firefox because of it's better CSS and DOM support. Overall they're both great browsers and thank god we don't have to use IE.

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Re:Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 09:16 AM
"Firefox can do pretty much anything opera can and much more that opera can't."


But not as elegantly. Not with smooth integration between all features.

"Extensions for firefox like web the developer toolbar add extremely beneficial functionality for "professional surfers"."


There's a web dev toolbar for Opera too. Yes, you can create your own toolbars and menus! And they can be installed with a single click, and no restart needed.

"It's important to remember that firefox is still 1.0(4) and opera is at 8.0."


That's quite irrelevant. Firefox is based on Gecko, which is several years old. Gecko again, had a "parent" with the name "Netscape", and it's more than ten years old. Opera was rewritten with the release of Opera 7, so 8.0 is really "Opera 2.0". But even so, version numbers do not matter. I have no idea why you think this matters. Firefox has benefitted from the work done by browsers before it.

"I'll continue to use firefox because of it's better CSS and DOM support."


<A HREF="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/operaStuff/fanboyRants.html#morecss" title="howtocreate.co.uk">Opera has better CSS support than Firefox.</a howtocreate.co.uk>

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Re:Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 11:22 AM
<TT>That's quite irrelevant. Firefox is based on Gecko, which is several years old.</TT>
it is relevant. a rendering engine, and the user interface are two different things. gecko may be 10 years old, and thus is quite advanced, but user interface, functionality, etc. are quite new
<TT>Gecko again, had a "parent" with the name "Netscape", and it's more than ten years old.</TT>
yeah. and the parent was scrapped, and gecko was written from scratch - a parent with no meaning whatsoever

Opera was rewritten with the release of Opera 7, so 8.0 is really "Opera 2.0". But even so, version numbers do not matter. I have no idea why you think this matters.
for one thing it means firefox just reached it's first "real" release - it's a newborn baby, while opera went through eight releases already - it's bound to have some experience. just wait and see how will firefox look when it's already got five MAJOR releases done.

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Re:Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:34 PM
Quite new? Firefox has been developed for about THREE YEARS and is based on even older Mozilla/Gecko code. "1.x excuses" are rather silly.

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Re:Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:18 PM
I knew the better css support comment would get me linked to cssdestroy etc. I was talking real world web applications such as those on alistapart.com not experiments.

But you do agree on the DOM support<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

I bought opera and do use it, mainly when building a website, just to make sure it works in opera.

I used to use opera before firefox hit ~0.9 after that opera just felt bloated interface wise. Yeah you can turn much of it off but it still takes up more screen real estate than firefox with address bar, fav bar and tabs.

Again, not bashing opera, I think it's an extremely well coded piece of sofware. It's failure to become as popular as firefox I think is due to it's interface more than anything.

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Re:Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 01:38 PM
"I used to use opera before firefox hit ~0.9 after that opera just felt bloated interface wise. Yeah you can turn much of it off but it still takes up more screen real estate than firefox with address bar, fav bar and tabs."

Wrong. With default setup registered Opera 8 gives MORE screen real estate. Unregistered Opera with Google AdBar takes only A FEW pixels more than Firefox.

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Re:Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on June 11, 2005 06:16 AM
For a side by side comparison of the screen real estate, see <a href="http://underscorebleach.net/jotsheet/2005/06/opera-browser-banner" title="underscorebleach.net">this comparison</a underscorebleach.net>.

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Re:Opera can be "extended"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 20, 2005 05:49 PM
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Firefox tends to be used by beginner surfers. Newbies like grandma and grnadpa. And the app is more useful than IE and easy to use. Whereas Opera tends to be used by the techies and professional surfers. The people who are on the web a lot and need to get work done.

i dont think u think this statement is true<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:")... techies preffer FF<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:"))

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Best review so far

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 05:05 AM
Even though a lot of things were not mentioned (other comments point on that) this review is by far the fairest Iīve seen in a long time.

I use Opera since version 3.5; I use M2 as my Mail Client. Opera offers much more screen real estate for me. Moreover I dislike FF behaviour of occasionally "locking" when loading a page - it will not respond to mouse or keyboard.

nontroppoīs extensions to Opera are about as far reaching as Mozillaīs Web Developer Extension. Unfortunatly you need to have "reuse windows" enabled to use most (which is not really an option in normal browsing mode)

It is noteworthy that Opera has in itīs history responded very quick to security issues. You can compare Operaīs and Firefoxīs security history at secunia.

There was a special offer in the german computer magazine cīt which made Opera 8 available for 8 €(10$). Thatīs as close to nothing as software will ever get.

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Re:Best review so far

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 11:29 AM
There was a special offer in the german computer magazine cīt which made Opera 8 available for 8 €(10$). Thatīs as close to nothing as software will ever get.


erm... i think i don't understand something. isn't Firefox closer to nothing with 0€(0$) ?

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Opera Bloat? Only when you install it.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 05:13 AM
Opera's default interface is bloated (to some people) only after you have just installed it. Anything on the screen can be dissabled, with Right click -> Remove from toolbar. You can even not see the adbar if you configure your fullscreen right. (Hint: Go fullscreen, then Alt+V to see anything)

My interface, for example, has just one line. I don't have back or forward buttons, I do it all by gestures, and I don't need to put up with anything I don't need.

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Re:Opera Bloat? Only when you install it.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 09:18 AM
"Opera's default interface is bloated (to some people) only after you have just installed it."


No it isn't. It's got a couple of more buttons than Firefox, and fewer menus. Opera 8.0 has been radically cleaned up, so if you claim that the default is bloated you haven't even tried it.

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Opera Session restore

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 05:33 AM
I have lots of pages open while doing research, and I got sick and tired of having to track down, my sometimes two or three weeks, of web pages after Safari melts off my screen. Opera is more crashy than Safari, but it doesn't bother when it doesn't loose any of my work.

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Thunderbird?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 06:30 AM
To have a true comparison, you would need to compare Firefox and Thunderbird with Opera. Firefox and Thunderbird, together, I feel provide similar functionality to the single Opera application.

Thunderbird does now have an email-style RSS reader, which I love.

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Safari

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:08 PM

Great article, but has anyone noticed how Opera/Firefox measures up to Safari on the Mac? Not well in my opinion. My overall enthusiasm for the OSX desktop has been enhanced by the introduction of Safari RSS in Tiger. Its rendering of XHTML/CSS is excellent and the new RSS reader is leagues ahead of either Opera or Firefox's news aggregator capabilities. When it comes down to it, how many features do you really need ? Tabbed browsing, RSS, integrated search in toolbar<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...

Admittedly Firefox can be extended to wash your smalls for you but ordinary web users only end up using a few core features in their browser. Apple know this and have produced a fast, reliable and secure browser.

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Browser stability

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 04:56 PM
As an intensive user of both Ffox and Opera I've noticed one thing, not mentioned in the otherwise excellent review, that separates the two browsers: Stability/Memory management.

For the last 6 months I've used all available versions of Ffox (1.0.0-1.0.4) and have noticed that it will crash from time to time when I'm using many Tabs or attempt to halt an operation in progress. Depending on how much I use Ffox this may happen once a day or only once a week. I've still failed to crash Opera 8.

Without any knowledge of the underlying browser engines' memory management I'd guess that either Opera is more tested and mature than Ffox, given that Opera has been around for many years, or that the extension mechanism of Ffox can destabilize it; I'm using about ten extensions and noticed that the Javascript-blocker extension has actually changed the rendering of Javascript-based sites! Hence, Ffox extensions may be a blessing in disguise.

Whatever the reason, both Opera and Ffox are excellent browsers that I'll continue to use.

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Neutrality of article.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 07:08 PM
I feel the article is biased towards Firefox.
At the beginning of the article the author 'introduces' Opera but assumes Firefox is famous.
While Firefox is maybe downloaded more, Opera is a more established browser.

Throughout the article the author holds against Opera the fact that it is closed source.
His opinion is that open source software is better and makes that an important point for using Firefox. While I agree that open licensing is good, a debate of open vs closed does not belong in a review of browser functionality. That is what most readers want, I believe.

The author does give a side by side review exactly taking Firefox and looking at how Opera compares to it. He therefore ignores a lot of features in Opera and only concentrates on features which are present in both.

It might seem that the article is fair because the conclusion is that both browser's are good for different tasks. However I feel that this article treats Firefox as the standard and Opera as the weird alternative. That isn't a fair review.

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Re:Neutrality of article.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 09:50 PM
I could not agree more, well said. A decent review of Opera's features could fill many pages. I have never seen a review of Opera that focuses on the unique features. They normally only discuss the features that are common among browsers, bash Opera for costing money or displaying ads, and bash it for spotty javascript support (which i don't deny). All the goodness that makes Opera so sweet is hardly mentioned.

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Browsing with multiple windows

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 07:27 PM
I am currently browsing with 80+ tabbed browser windows on Opera, and it's still pretty responsive. Simultaneous browsing seems to be better/more responsive in Opera than in Firefox.

Trying to do the same (80 browser windows open) in IE is suicidal and will likely crash the system<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P

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Re:Browsing with multiple windows

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 19, 2005 09:06 PM
I Agree, Firefox gets REAL sluggish after opening huge number of windows - even switching from one to another take a noticeable time. Opera beats Firefox hands down in speed.

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plain-text configuration files

Posted by: vtre17 on May 19, 2005 11:05 PM
Despite being closed source, Opera is very customizable, via both the preferences menus and the manipulation of the plain-text configuration files.


Opera has a few editable configuration files, but fails at others. It's especially sad to see them use a binary data store for cookies, when the Netscape cookies.txt file format became a de-facto standard years ago. Most Linux browsers use it.


Binary files are the easy way, and Opera here seems to prefer it. And say what you want, I think this a general problem with commercial software.


(That being said, I still like Opera more. It doesn't look and feel as nice as FF, but it's extremely fast and useable on pre-GHz machines.)

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Opera is a feather

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 20, 2005 04:07 PM
I use linux with Opera and Firefox, but Opera have a smaller download and memory utilization. My machine is pre-GHz, then Firefox don't run too smoothly in this configurations, unhappily.

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xmlhttp object

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 20, 2005 05:32 PM
Opera even in version 8, does not support fully xmlhttp object (it is a already basic requirement for modern browser to have it) which is a big stopper for building truly transparent/crossbrowser dynamic sites (f.e. like gmail).
In fact I decided to give opera8 a try and it rebooted my machine twice when I tryed to use xmlhttp.
So I'm a little disapointed<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:"(

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Notice about Firefox and Opera

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 20, 2005 06:05 PM
Opera is my favourite browser for 4 years and i like it.
BUT there is a feature in Opera that I dont like:

Save with images (or Save as...) saves html with images all in one folder.Its very messy when you save similar pages in one folder.And Opera creators even brag with it.They say create folder for every single page that you save.
Firefox creates nnn_files directory with images.

Also Firefox and Opera have problems with JavaScript on IE customized pages (90% of internet).I know that M$ IE breakes every WWW standard but tell it to the end users

Firefox is very good browser. Maybe it should be shipped with Session saver and Focus Last selected plugin.
ALso Firefox crashes when U open lot of tabs

Cheers

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Firefox is clunky compared to Opera

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 21, 2005 12:54 AM
Firefox is slow. I'm talking about the interface, not the rendering engine. I've noticed, especially with slower cpu's, that the menus, toolbars, and dialog boxes on Firefox have a sluggish feel (this started with Nutscrape version 6 as I recall). Not so with Opera, the interface is very snappy and responsive.

Firefox's tab handling is downright sucky compared to Opera's. New tabs in Firefox always open all the way to the right of the others. In Opera, there's a setting for having new tabs open next to the current tab, you can drag tabs around to re-order them, and the tab bar can appear at the top or bottom of the window.

There's no 'clear' button on the address bar in Firefox, both Opera and Konqueror have one, and the standard shortcut to clear a text box, ctrl-u, is for some reason remapped to 'show page source' in Firefox. I copy and paste urls using the middle mouse button a lot and Firefox makes it a pain in the ass.

In Opera, you can middle-click a tab closed, or middle-click on an empty part of the tab bar to open a new tab that loads the contents of the mouse selection.

Also missing in Firefox is Opera's nice popup list of closed tabs. How many times have you closed a page only to want it back a few seconds later?

Opera browser is very good and keeps getting better. Opera's way ahead of everyone else. It's a piece of software that makes me feel like the developers are really thinking about the end user experience.

I always keep an instance of Firefox running for a few sites that Opera has problems with, but it doesn't get much use since Opera 8 came out.

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Maintaining Perspective

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on May 22, 2005 07:47 PM
Everyone here must realize that this is one person's evaluation. While not an exhaustive review, it does cover the basics while remaining fair to both. The personal preferences of individual users will vary greatly and therefore will cause different readers to believe that some particular feature of their prefered browser was not done justice. This type of review is not intended to be a be-all/end-all format. It is strictly a review done from one person's point of view and biases, which was really quite well done, considering everything.
If anyone has an issue with the manner in which this review was accomplished, then by all means, take the time to do a more complete review (with technical objectivity in mind, of course) and submit it for the world to read and comment on. If that is too daunting or too intimidating, then please consider restricting comments to a similar objectivity, fairness and deference to the author of this article. I'm positive that any ommissions of particular features were not because of the level of usefulness of each one, but rather because the author's personal preferences and target audience considerations dictated which he could/wanted to include in this review.
Sure, a more in-depth review may be written with more techinical aspects, comparisons and contrasts, what it may mean to or affect the end user, and open source v.s. closed source could be included, but, again, that wasn't the intent of this article.
My Disclaimer: I do not know the author. I do prefer to use Firefox. I have used Opera in the past before Firefox became mature enough. I'm sure that Opera continues to be an excellent product, but I find that Firefox fulfills my needs.

-Charley

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Two Important Items Not Mentioned

Posted by: dharma.mine on June 12, 2005 10:44 PM
I use both browsers, Firefox more often probably, and advocate both as more secure alternatives to IE. One item not mentioned in the article, but of interest to privacy advocates is the ad support built-in to Opera. By default Opera serves up ads, either generic or relevant to the pages you are surfing. I know, you could pay for the browser and remove the ads, but requiring payment to remove those gives the edge to Firefox. Also, changing the reported User-Agent string in Opera does not work and has never worked in Opera. Opera will report the User-Agent you request in addition to Opera, whereas Firefox's User Agent Switcher reports only what you specify. Of course, users have to note that leaving Java and Javascript enabled makes that feature useless.

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Opera and Firefox

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 219.94.83.110] on September 03, 2007 08:38 AM
Your articles on Opera and Firefox are thorough and unbiased. I use both browsers too and can understand where you are coming from with each point. Keep up the good work.

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Opera and Firefox: A side-by-side review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 190.22.22.45] on December 08, 2007 12:41 PM
Biased towards FF, resulting in a mere comparison of FF's func and what Opera can do about it. Being closed software doesn't make it worst, it's just different. And having a skeletal browser doesn't appeal to me, having to introduce all important stuff later. It's like when everyone praises Ubuntu or such for installing apps along the os and having everything ready to work while in Windows you have to keep downloading apps to be complete. Same applies fo FF and Opera.

A shame that Opens Soft fans are so full of prejudgments towards Closed Soft, just for the sake of being.

PS: Anyhow, times have changed and Opera is a lot more open than before, no displaying ads and having an ultra fast and solid core. You should try it.

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Opera and Firefox: A side-by-side review

Posted by: Anonymous [ip: 70.49.173.212] on January 10, 2008 11:47 PM
Don't forget, Opera is the originator of tabbed browsing, and by that I mean true tabbed browsing. Opera allows you to cascade, tile, move tabs around as windows within the Opera browser, like real windows. Firefox...um, nope. And then there's Opera's view pane that shows links on a page. So, if you are downloading, you can right click on the link from the list rather than trying to find it on the webpage - can be very handy. And then there's scaling of a page size with a simple click of the keypad + or - or * buttons. And then there's Opera's start options - remember last time, start a saved session...and then there's...

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