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ruready511

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    RE: Active Directory Alternative
    Dang, you guys are awesome. @mfillpot - Thanks for the crucial breakdown. I'm actually kinda stoked to understand the Unix philosophy. However, while I like the basic concept that you outlined - it just seems like, in practice, it leads to very confusing systems. @elwarreno - Thanks for the link to Resara, it looks like a pretty cool product. I really want to get my hands on it now. Guys, this is like a whole new world for me. As much as I don't like Microsoft as a company right now, I am still pretty well married to their products (I LOVE my management console). But! I have a whole bunch of links open in my browser now that I have to go research :) I can't wait to build a little lab with all of this in it! Actually, I mentioned my management console - which gets me thinking... Does an equivalent exist in the Linux world for Microsoft's (forgive me) AMAZING Management Console product lineup?? (ie: Microsoft System Center Operations Manager, or any other plugin to the MMC framework) I feel like, from the basic Unix philosophy that mfillpot gave, GNU/Linux and Unix systems are too disseparate with no governing entity to make something like an MMC equivalent possible. If you guys have been managing *nix for a really long time, you may not know what I'm talking about. Let me give a quick example. Right now, I have a dead simple management console that I made called the "Ultimate Management Console". It's just a bunch of plugins that integrate into a uniform interface that I have open like any other application on my desktop. From this one console (this is a GUI, not a command line console like you may be thinking), I can remote into 24 of my servers, manage AD Domains and Trusts, AD Sites and Services, AD Users and Computers, manage all of my Group Policies, configure my Certification Authority and Online Responders, manage all of my Distributed File System shares (this is just a fancy name for a directory symlink - which I think exists on *nix as well), configure all of my DNS and DHCP servers and scopes, manage all print functions from all my print servers, configure the quotas and reports for all my file servers, and manage the entire local downstream clone of Microsoft's Windows Update service. The thing that is so impressive about this kind of integration, is that almost any problem that exists on my network or servers can be responded to in a matter of seconds with just a few clicks. For example, lets say that our line of business application gets an update and now cannot send drawings to our large format plotter because it requires a new version of the print driver. No problem, in about 10 clicks and less than 30 seconds I can have the new driver available to both print servers at both of our locations and the clients can pull them immediately. That's what makes it nice. I've seen some stuff called gadmin-... in the repositories before, but when I tried to check out the homepage it appears down. I don't know if this is/was an alternative or possible alternative to MMC, but it looks like it isn't maintained anymore (unless Google's cache is lagging...) Anyway, let me know what you think, -David
    Link to this post 25 Jan 12

    Dang, you guys are awesome.

    @mfillpot - Thanks for the crucial breakdown. I'm actually kinda stoked to understand the Unix philosophy. However, while I like the basic concept that you outlined - it just seems like, in practice, it leads to very confusing systems.

    @elwarreno - Thanks for the link to Resara, it looks like a pretty cool product. I really want to get my hands on it now.


    Guys, this is like a whole new world for me. As much as I don't like Microsoft as a company right now, I am still pretty well married to their products (I LOVE my management console). But! I have a whole bunch of links open in my browser now that I have to go research :) I can't wait to build a little lab with all of this in it!

    Actually, I mentioned my management console - which gets me thinking... Does an equivalent exist in the Linux world for Microsoft's (forgive me) AMAZING Management Console product lineup?? (ie: Microsoft System Center Operations Manager, or any other plugin to the MMC framework)

    I feel like, from the basic Unix philosophy that mfillpot gave, GNU/Linux and Unix systems are too disseparate with no governing entity to make something like an MMC equivalent possible.

    If you guys have been managing *nix for a really long time, you may not know what I'm talking about. Let me give a quick example. Right now, I have a dead simple management console that I made called the "Ultimate Management Console". It's just a bunch of plugins that integrate into a uniform interface that I have open like any other application on my desktop. From this one console (this is a GUI, not a command line console like you may be thinking), I can remote into 24 of my servers, manage AD Domains and Trusts, AD Sites and Services, AD Users and Computers, manage all of my Group Policies, configure my Certification Authority and Online Responders, manage all of my Distributed File System shares (this is just a fancy name for a directory symlink - which I think exists on *nix as well), configure all of my DNS and DHCP servers and scopes, manage all print functions from all my print servers, configure the quotas and reports for all my file servers, and manage the entire local downstream clone of Microsoft's Windows Update service.

    The thing that is so impressive about this kind of integration, is that almost any problem that exists on my network or servers can be responded to in a matter of seconds with just a few clicks. For example, lets say that our line of business application gets an update and now cannot send drawings to our large format plotter because it requires a new version of the print driver. No problem, in about 10 clicks and less than 30 seconds I can have the new driver available to both print servers at both of our locations and the clients can pull them immediately. That's what makes it nice.

    I've seen some stuff called gadmin-... in the repositories before, but when I tried to check out the homepage it appears down. I don't know if this is/was an alternative or possible alternative to MMC, but it looks like it isn't maintained anymore (unless Google's cache is lagging...)

    Anyway, let me know what you think,
    -David

  • ruready511
    Active Directory Alternative
    Hey Everybody! I'm brand new to this community but have been using the GNU/Linux Operating System casually for several years now. It's just been more of a novelty than anything else. I am a Windows admin and have spent most of my life learning 'The Microsoft Solution'. ...then I saw the light :) Now, I'm in the process of having an article published in [...] Magazine that bashes Microsoft's absurd licensing schemes. Microsoft has let me down on so many different levels. I'm now committed to learning 'The Free Software Solution'. I suppose I'll have to replace my dark art of VB scripting and .NET application development with shell scripts and Python - oh well. Anyway, on to my question! In an attempt to be able to design a network that meets the needs of a hypothetical small business, I'm trying to find an alternative to Microsoft's Active Directory. Despite my animosity towards Microsoft, they do make some pretty powerful products - Active Directory being one such product. Now, using the GNU/Linux Operating System in a business environment is quite different than me making the switch to Linux at my home. [list] [*] How does a Linux domain work, or is there such a thing? (ie: can I join a computer to a Linux domain like in Windows) [*] Is there an alternative to Group Policy? [*] Is there a single tool or set of tools to manage LDAP users and groups, DNS, DHCP, RADIUS, IPSec, etc...? [*] What are some resources I can read or interact with to assist in my understanding of managing these topics on the GNU/Linux platform? [/list] Like I said, I'm a Windows admin. I know Windows admins usually catch a lot of flac in the Linux community due to their lack of script-fu in the shell - but lets face it - Windows is a GUI managed environment. Unless your running dsquery to gain granular insight into Active Directory, the only reason to script is to automate a repetitive task. You don't need to know almost any commandline applications to manage a Windows box (well, outside of ping and nslookup). Another thing that concerns me is NFS permissions. I don't know how these work. I know I can look up how they work and how they are evaluated on Wikipedia - but that isn't the information I'm looking for. I'm used to NTFS permissions. I know the metadata that the permissions carry and the alternate streams that exist on an NTFS volume. I'm looking for information from people in the field that know or used to know Windows systems and now manage a GNU/Linux environment. I want to know what they miss from the Windows world and what they don't miss. I suppose overall I'm looking for selling points for GNU/Linux. I'm no longer sold on Microsoft, but I don't know where to turn now. Could it be here? Let me know what you think, -David
    Link to this post 19 Jan 12

    Hey Everybody!

    I'm brand new to this community but have been using the GNU/Linux Operating System casually for several years now. It's just been more of a novelty than anything else. I am a Windows admin and have spent most of my life learning 'The Microsoft Solution'.

    ...then I saw the light :)

    Now, I'm in the process of having an article published in [...] Magazine that bashes Microsoft's absurd licensing schemes. Microsoft has let me down on so many different levels. I'm now committed to learning 'The Free Software Solution'. I suppose I'll have to replace my dark art of VB scripting and .NET application development with shell scripts and Python - oh well.

    Anyway, on to my question! In an attempt to be able to design a network that meets the needs of a hypothetical small business, I'm trying to find an alternative to Microsoft's Active Directory. Despite my animosity towards Microsoft, they do make some pretty powerful products - Active Directory being one such product.

    Now, using the GNU/Linux Operating System in a business environment is quite different than me making the switch to Linux at my home.

    • How does a Linux domain work, or is there such a thing? (ie: can I join a computer to a Linux domain like in Windows)

    • Is there an alternative to Group Policy?

    • Is there a single tool or set of tools to manage LDAP users and groups, DNS, DHCP, RADIUS, IPSec, etc...?

    • What are some resources I can read or interact with to assist in my understanding of managing these topics on the GNU/Linux platform?

    Like I said, I'm a Windows admin. I know Windows admins usually catch a lot of flac in the Linux community due to their lack of script-fu in the shell - but lets face it - Windows is a GUI managed environment. Unless your running dsquery to gain granular insight into Active Directory, the only reason to script is to automate a repetitive task. You don't need to know almost any commandline applications to manage a Windows box (well, outside of ping and nslookup).

    Another thing that concerns me is NFS permissions. I don't know how these work. I know I can look up how they work and how they are evaluated on Wikipedia - but that isn't the information I'm looking for. I'm used to NTFS permissions. I know the metadata that the permissions carry and the alternate streams that exist on an NTFS volume. I'm looking for information from people in the field that know or used to know Windows systems and now manage a GNU/Linux environment. I want to know what they miss from the Windows world and what they don't miss.

    I suppose overall I'm looking for selling points for GNU/Linux. I'm no longer sold on Microsoft, but I don't know where to turn now. Could it be here?

    Let me know what you think,
    -David

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